Thread: 'Oreichalchos' seal, translated.

If you're a nerd, then you're a kickass nerd, Poet xD

I've been wondering about the symbols in the seal. Thank you for sharing your nerdyness with us.

Is this the text within the ring of the seal itself, or the text in its text box?

Either way, that is a very kick ass job. Maybe I'll start using that spelling just to be different. (All the cool people use "e"s.)

EDIT: Hah, nevermind. I didn't read your post that carefully.

Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko

Is this the text within the ring of the seal itself, or the text in its text box?

Either way, that is a very kick ass job. Maybe I'll start using that spelling just to be different. (All the cool people use "e"s.)

EDIT: Hah, nevermind. I didn't read your post that carefully.

I'll make you a deal--if you can find me a good, clear shot of the text box, so that I can make out the characters, I'll translate it for ya. =3 Any excuse for alchemic nerdery, I say!

Hoorah to never-going-to-need-it-in-life knowledge! =D

I'm surprised you're not part of the alchemy-occult-tarot-Judai-Christian research team for the writers.

Originally Posted by The Mad Poet

I'll make you a deal--if you can find me a good, clear shot of the text box, so that I can make out the characters, I'll translate it for ya. =3 Any excuse for alchemic nerdery, I say!

The only place when I think you can get a clear shot is from the dub (with their special two-times-the-size-of-Mars cards.) But I'm not touching that crap with a 10 foot pole, so if anybody wants to go scrounging around, be my guest. (And undoubtedly, it's clipped to make it fit on that tiny Series 2 card box.)

Originally Posted by Seeker

Hoorah to never-going-to-need-it-in-life knowledge! =D

I'm surprised you're not part of the alchemy-occult-tarot-Judai-Christian research team for the writers.

XD Freudian slip!

Apparently, they don't need me to do this stuff. =B Though that would be a seriously awesome job, I think.



Horoko, did the dub keep the groovy enochian symbols on the card? I didn't realize they had, never having seen a single episode of the arc dubbed.

I think they did. The name, no. The effect text, I think. But since the text box is going by Series 2 format (aka, really really tiny,) it might have been clipped so it could fit on the card.

Originally Posted by The Mad Poet

XD Freudian slip!

Aw dammit, I meant Judeo-Christian. xD I always forget; Judaism, you know...

Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko

I think they did. The name, no. The effect text, I think. But since the text box is going by Series 2 format (aka, really really tiny,) it might have been clipped so it could fit on the card.

Well, it'll still be worth checking out for me. Even if I can only get part of what's written, there's always the possibility that it refers to a specific enochian call or ritual, in which case if I get the beginning of it I can then just look up the rest. And if it's not, well--some idea of what's going on is more interesting than none. I'll definitely look into that, thanks.

I remeber someone(rickw512) ripped the DUB Season 4 DVDs along time ago but released the files only via mIRC.
The best shots of that anime card's text you can get only from there. But i think a normal TV rip also can be used.

VERY NICE INFO AGEN.

SO now we know the actual 100% correct spelling of that cards name.
Oreichalcos!
Or did i misread something ?

Orichalcos is fine. Oriechalcos, apparently, is also fine.

I usually use the first one anyway X).

I was spelling it Orichalcos.... 0.o Oreichalcos is even kewler though xD

Well, I do have the dubbed episodes on my computer, so I'd be more than happy to get a shot of the Seal, it being one of my favorites and all. ^_^ I'll have it sometime this weekend.

Awesome. =D This is the seal/Dartz's jewelry this is the translation from though, so all I really need is a good shot of the card text, if the card still has text in the dub.

ooo can i ask for the clear image you got that be awsome!!

Now, let me help you. I've translated it as a very curious fourteen-year old kid about possibly year ago.




The image isn't extremely sharpened but I've written very clear translation.

I used the settei sketches as a reference; Inquisitor has probably provided the best in-series shot you'll find. Also, a handy dandy little lettering strip. Wish I'd thought of that. ^^; It didn't occur to me to check a website. Unless you drew those up yourself, in which case I must commend your clean lines.

I'm sure there's a good close shot of the card with visible text SOMEWHERE, but my sister is borrowing most of my Doma/DOOM episode HKs, so I'm a bit at a loss to dig them up. =/


I like how if you cut the seal in half at the division where the world 'oreichalchos' begins and ends, the symbol's alignment changes it from a unicursal hexagram to a seated pyramid. Of course, Crowley may have realized the double-standard of the hex when he added a flower to the center of his own version of it, but that's another nerding topic ENTIRELY, and certainly not relevant to the alignment choices of the series. Lawl @ symbolism, indeed, though. =B

This is awesome! You get a rock point for this . I tried to get some screengrabs of the text, but I haven't had much luck. The dub won't be of use - the cards are huge, but the text is tiny tiny tiny. I mean, really small. The clearest shots I could find on my HK bootlegs aren't exactly stellar, either.

Yugi's big episode is the most helpful, me thinks (you can see, like, *gasp* the whole three letters on it clearly):





Ryuzaki:



Gurimo:



I tried getting something out of Rafael, Amelda, Dartz and Haga, but those shots are even worse than these. It ain't much, but something's better than nothing, eh?

EEEE. <3 You're my new hero. I'll try to sharpen and clarify these enough for my bad eyes to read the text and see what I can come up with.

Shweet! I'll try and get some more shots in the meantime.

Well, I've got the first line, and some of the second line done, and I can tell you right now the grammar is buggered all to hell. XD It's interesting though; the seal itself refers to the Lord of Hosts visiting judgement; the card text refers to visiting mercy (I think, Graph and Gon and Fam all kind of look alike at that resolution e.e; ). Possibly it will make more sense once I've got the whole thing, but my eyes hurt from squinting at the text so I'm-a take a break for now.

Definitely NOT a card effect. XD

Do the second and third seal have any differantiateing texts?

Just wondering if they did (Dartz gives referances to the depths of the seals of darkness and)

Though I would imagine that that it would be incrediably hard to read there text.

Originally Posted by The Mad Poet

I used the settei sketches as a reference; Inquisitor has probably provided the best in-series shot you'll find. Also, a handy dandy little lettering strip. Wish I'd thought of that. ^^; It didn't occur to me to check a website. Unless you drew those up yourself, in which case I must commend your clean lines.

I'm sure there's a good close shot of the card with visible text SOMEWHERE, but my sister is borrowing most of my Doma/DOOM episode HKs, so I'm a bit at a loss to dig them up. =/


I like how if you cut the seal in half at the division where the world 'oreichalchos' begins and ends, the symbol's alignment changes it from a unicursal hexagram to a seated pyramid. Of course, Crowley may have realized the double-standard of the hex when he added a flower to the center of his own version of it, but that's another nerding topic ENTIRELY, and certainly not relevant to the alignment choices of the series. Lawl @ symbolism, indeed, though. =B

I haven't drawn it myself, just used Photoshop.

What do you need a clear text for? The text from card, dub, sub is the same. Text inscribed in a card perfectly fits the Enochian alphabet.

Well, I've got the first line, and some of the second line done, and I can tell you right now the grammar is buggered all to hell. XD It's interesting though; the seal itself refers to the Lord of Hosts visiting judgement; the card text refers to visiting mercy (I think, Graph and Gon and Fam all kind of look alike at that resolution e.e; ). Possibly it will make more sense once I've got the whole thing, but my eyes hurt from squinting at the text so I'm-a take a break for now.

Definitely NOT a card effect. XD

Would you clear up your thoughts a bit? Or rather, how did you come to this state "Visit among (us) Lord of Hosts (your) judgement"?

I like how if you cut the seal in half at the division where the world 'oreichalchos' begins and ends, the symbol's alignment changes it from a unicursal hexagram to a seated pyramid.

Again, I see no relevance. Seated pyramid symbolizes something perhaps?

I'm aware that the text on the card is the same sub or dub, Inquisitor, and that it is in the enochian alphabet. What I need is a clear shot of it, at a resolution which will not kill my eyes to read the individual characters. I already KNOW the enochian alphabet; knowing the enochian alphabet is not the point on which I am having difficulty, which you would probably know if you took a moment to actually read the posts. I'm sure people appreciate the enochian primer you've posted though.

I came to 'Visit among (us) Lord of Hosts (your) Judgement' by actually breaking down and translating the word 'Oreichalcos' as inscribed around the seal. When broken down and translated from enochian into english, that is what this seal reads as. I thought I made that fairly clear. =/

You probably see no relevance because you have not, as I have, spent over a decade studying alchemy, religion, and the occult in general. There is symbolism to the seated pyramid which is not necessarily relevant, but amusing enough given the use of pyramids in YGO in general.



@ Evans:
I don't have pictures of the second and third seals, but if you provide them I'm sure I can translate for you. =B Or at least tell you if they have different text. Like I said, my sister has my Doma/DOOM DVDs.

Wow this is getting deep into consideration. I LIKE X).
I mean it was about time someone to ask the right questions.

Shots from the official DVDs or DVD rips from them would be best i think.
I can take shtos from my HK DVD rips. If someone wants.

I'm afraid oI have no acurate pictures of the other seals (There maybe a low quality Youtube vidio of those duels of Yugi Wiki though.


I'm not prommising anything but I thought that the sigals looked more differant in the third seal (More of one though I can't rememeber for sure)

Originally Posted by The Mad Poet

Well, I've got the first line, and some of the second line done, and I can tell you right now the grammar is buggered all to hell.

I expected as much. If these people give us stuff like "Das Extreme Drache" and whatnot, then I wouldn't even dream of them being proficient enough in Enochian.

XD It's interesting though; the seal itself refers to the Lord of Hosts visiting judgement; the card text refers to visiting mercy (I think, Graph and Gon and Fam all kind of look alike at that resolution e.e; ). Possibly it will make more sense once I've got the whole thing, but my eyes hurt from squinting at the text so I'm-a take a break for now.

Now you know how I feel when people ask me to translate a card like that. XD

Plus, that HK bootleg encode sucks big time. (Not surprising, considering all HK bootlegs have wacko subtitles and Youtube-quality compression encoding.)

Definitely NOT a card effect. XD

"Bone of my sword" lawl

Ofocurse the writers could allways argue that this form of Enochian grammar was Dartz's form of Enochian grammar and thus the correct one in the series (with all there world "correct" grammars being wrong as well)

Any and all readable-quality shots of the card or extra seals are welcomed; just please remember I had optic surgery this last summer so my eyes are NOT what they used to be. So the bigger and clearer the better.

@Ev:
It's entirely possible that there is more to the second and third seals. Remember that by interspersing lletters in the blanks already provided in the seal, we get an entirely different phrase. This could be a continuing theme for these things. =B


@Tatsunoboshi:
Yeah. >.- Feeling your pain here. And of course the clearest shot I have is the one where a finger covers 90% of the text. . . XD At least the languages I know barely ever get used for cards!

You probably see no relevance because you have not, as I have, spent over a decade studying alchemy, religion, and the occult in general. There is symbolism to the seated pyramid which is not necessarily relevant, but amusing enough given the use of pyramids in YGO in general.

The presupposition about reference between Unicursal Hexagram and seated pyramids made no relevance since it had no specific basis. Religion symbolisam did; I might be much younger than you, but I still know lots of facts about this type of occultism (concerning Thelema, Golden Dawn etc.).

I'm aware that the text on the card is the same sub or dub, Inquisitor, and that it is in the enochian alphabet. What I need is a clear shot of it, at a resolution which will not kill my eyes to read the individual characters. I already KNOW the enochian alphabet; knowing the enochian alphabet is not the point on which I am having difficulty, which you would probably know if you took a moment to actually read the posts. I'm sure people appreciate the enochian primer you've posted though.

Don't take amiss, seer. I actually do not have time. I apologise.

Originally Posted by Evans

Do the second and third seal have any differantiateing texts?

Text is the same. The image is not sharpened but it is apparent that there're no differences.

Orichalcos Tritos




Orichalcos Deuteros

Originally Posted by Inquisitor

Text is the same. The image is not sharpened but it is apparent that there're no differences.

Orichalcos Tritos




Orichalcos Deuteros

Thank you for that. Remind me to rep you once I can again.

Originally Posted by Inquisitor

The presupposition about reference between Unicursal Hexagram and seated pyramids made no relevance since it had no specific basis. Religion symbolisam did; I might be much younger than you, but I still know lots of facts about this type of occultism (concerning Thelema, Golden Dawn etc.).

What presupposition? I am not ASSUMING that there is a seated pyramid in a properly divided unicursal hexagram, that is a VISUALLY CONFIRMABLE FACT. Thelema and the Golden Dawn and their like are hardly the base origin of any such symbols, and just because they do not attach a great and dire significane to an aspect of this particular sign does not mean there is not one. The unicursal hexagram is a binding circle made in a single stroke intended to contain something; the seated pyramid is a jagged three-prong symbol signifying release, grounded power set loose, the inherent enegerial breakout from earth to heaven, whereas the hex, especially in context with enochian, is usually used to channel heaven to earth. Is this relevant? Probably not. But it is fact, and in context to the series, amusing.

I'm not saying that at your age you might not have quite a bit of information. I'm sure you do! What I'm saying is the fact that I've been researching this crap almost as long as you've probably been alive might possibly suggest I have a little more than you do and you might do well to stop talking down to me.

Don't take amiss, seer. I actually do not have time. I apologise.

If you don't have time to read the posts, don't reply to them. Easy.

Text is the same. The image is not sharpened but it is apparent that there're no differences.
(pictures snipped)

Aaaaand thank you for that. You just saved us all a bunch of trouble and I tip my hat to you for that, sir-or-ma'am.

If you don't have time to read the posts, don't reply to them. Easy.

I think I won't obay you.

No, you're not assuming; but what if there is a seated pyramid?

I'm not saying that at your age you might not have quite a bit of information. I'm sure you do! What I'm saying is the fact that I've been researching this crap almost as long as you've probably been alive might possibly suggest I have a little more than you do and you might do well to stop talking down to me.

For world's sake, I'm not objecting you anything. How touchy you just are.

And thanks, Evans.

Originally Posted by Inquisitor

I think I won't obay you.

No, you're not assuming; but what if there is a seated pyramid?


For world's sake, I'm not objecting you anything. How touchy you just are.

And thanks, Evans.

. . .Uhm. . .what? Okay, I'm going clear this up and then stop cluttering this thread with off-topic snippery.

First, I'm not ordering you, so you couldn't obey in the first place. I'm making a suggestion. When you come into a thread and start tossing commentaries on what a person should or should not notice or say, or questioning their knowledge on a subject, it's recommendable that you actually take the time to read said thread. If nothing else, it's certainly more polite.

I'm not sure what the point of your statement is. There is a seated pyramid. That's what I said. You make no sense.

And you are objecting. When I commented on the seated pyramid, you told me it had no relevance. When I said it did, and that I wasn't surprised you didn't know it because you probably hadn't put as much time into this as I had, you said you knew better anyway. I am not being touchy, but nor do I like it when people come up to me, flat out state that they have not taken the time to listen to what I say, and then tell me that I am wrong anyway. That is not 'being touchy'. That is being something other than a doormat, and taking pride in the time and effort I have put into a subject with great personal importance and interest to me.

Please be to toning down your superiority complex, kthx.

And I have nothing more to say on that. I'll be back when I have more of the translation done.

Remember kids,

Being a Nerd is Serious Business!!!

Originally Posted by kingoffans

Remember kids,

Being a Nerd is Serious Business!!!

Hmm...I can't tell if that was a TAS reference, or if you were poking fun at The Mad Poet.

After seeing the shots of the Seal that have been provided, I wonder if I should still try to post shots here...

The Seal of Orichalcos/Oreichalcos
Clear shot of the card's art letters.



Here a shot on the Duel Disk i think they are clearer.



This is how you must take screenshots of Anime Yu-Gi-Oh! cards.



Here the letters on the 2nd seal i notice a few are different from the first.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/831...7022547ie7.png

Here 1 more a bit more clear.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/429...7022848ll6.png

Im going to do more just give me some time to find nice scenes for clear shots.

The latter

@ Darkmaster: That first one of the card is ace! I'm gonna stop trying, your copies are obviously much better XD. I think the shot of Ryuzaki holding the seal in episode 160 would be pure win if you have that episode in the same quality as the one with Dartz.

@Mad Poet: Keep it up, dude, this is getting interesting!

I have them all in HK DVD rips(as most ppl here).
But the 3rd card text is a problem the card is too far and no text can be read at all. Maybe even in the official DVD its not possible to see the text clearly.
And they dont show it(the card) any more as im looking.

EDIT:
Here a bit better shots on the Enochian words on the Seals.





http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/294...7030700ed1.png

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/802...7031051cb1.png

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/608...7032612oa1.png

And here Ryuzaki's Seal. Sorry i cant do it better i need a better quality video for that.

And you are objecting. When I commented on the seated pyramid, you told me it had no relevance. When I said it did, and that I wasn't surprised you didn't know it because you probably hadn't put as much time into this as I had, you said you knew better anyway. I am not being touchy, but nor do I like it when people come up to me, flat out state that they have not taken the time to listen to what I say, and then tell me that I am wrong anyway. That is not 'being touchy'. That is being something other than a doormat, and taking pride in the time and effort I have put into a subject with great personal importance and interest to me.

No, I wasn't objecting. No, I've never said I knew better. And no, I've never wanted to question your interest. I was only wondered what is the exact relevance between unicursal hexagram and seated pyramid because I haven't seen and still do not see anything explicit there. And I apologise for misusing your thread for seemingly off-topic conversation.

Amazing.
And I thought those were just a bunch of weird and totally made up thingies... Now I'm curious to know what the card text box actually reads.
By the way, you probably already know this, but the spelling oreichalcos is actually an accurate transliteration of the original greek spelling ορείχαλκος. That's where the "e" comes from, but since it's not heard in the pronunciation, it can be also written as orichalcos. ^^

I finally have the best shots for the first seal card's ART AND TEXT IN THE EFFECT BOX.
These shots are clear enough i think.

Its strange to think the creators go through all this when they designed it. Well I think its strange because only a small portion of the fanbase would go through this kind of thing to find out what it says and such. So to think the creators researched this seems odd yet awesome because it shows they put a lot of effort and stuff into their designings. I actually had no idea the letters on the seal were real though XD. I just assumed the creators made them up. How naive I am...

Anyway Poet I'd so rep you up for this but I need to spread first ;-; Yay for your nerdiness though. Don't forget...nerdiness is close to godlyness.

Here the shots.



http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/650...7153633qg4.bmp

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/218...7153647cp5.bmp

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/432...7153710ea9.bmp

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4...7153726mb5.png

Oh man, that's PERFECT! Thanks so much. I'll get on that right off.

Being a nerd so IS serious business. It's the most seriously I ever take myself, certainly. XD