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    Why did the powers change? In Duelist the items powers were

    Necklace- See future
    Rod- Control peoples minds
    Eye- Steal souls, read minds
    Scales- Judge people
    Puzzle- House Atem
    Ring- House Zorc/remove peoples souls.
    key- rearrange peoples minds.

    Then in millenium world we get

    Necklace- Still sees future
    Rod- Pulls spirits out of peoples bodies and seals them
    Eye- See if people have a Ka
    Scales- Fuse Ka

    Puzzle- To iniciate a sealing ritual to trap Zorc.
    Ring- Remains the same.
    Key- To go into someones spirit and physically see the ka

    My question is, why did the powers change and why only certain items?


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    Default Re: A change in the millenium items powers

    I doubt they actually 'changed'. All the powers were likely there all the time. How those powers were used and whether they were used, however, likely changed due to the personality and motives of the user, and the needs of the time.




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    I thought the power change may have been due to the way people thought about their beliefs in Ancient Egypt and the modern world. In Ancient Egypt, the Ka and Ba concept played a huge role, but in the present time, people place their beliefs in other things.

    Alternately, the powers were always there, they just weren't used in the present time. It would oddly tie in with the Duel Monster motif, where the monster spirits symbolized their host, whereas the Item's usage would reflect their owner's beliefs, perhaps?



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    My own theory is man became more evil in the future, so Zorc became stronger hence the items got more power.


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    Default Re: A change in the millenium items powers

    I agree with Arynis post.
    Also with the key, rod and eye, the powers are similar they're just used in a different way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YaminoRPG View Post
    My own theory is man became more evil in the future, so Zorc became stronger hence the items got more power.
    But if Zorc got stronger, why on Earth would be pump his energy into the items and not towards, I dunno, breaking free? To be honest, I highly doubt this. Especially since the items aren't really 'getting stronger'. They're just manifesting their power in a different way.
    Rod: Controling minds is fairly similar to controling and manipulating the manifestation of a person's psyche.
    Eye: Reading minds is more or less the same as seeing the manifestation of someone's psyche.
    Scales: ...Eh, this one's a bit off. But if may be more that the Scales are actually judging the compatibility of Ka, and then if they are compatible, the fusion is just a natural result. Thus, the scales would retain their judging purpose. Also, the Scales were shown in their judging role in Ancient Egypt, I believe, in the GX Manga.
    Key: Entering someone's mind is the same as entering someone's mind and seeing the manifestation of their psyche.




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    The only one which has a power completely unrelated to the modern Item is the Scales. And even that, as DY says, was used for its judgement purpose in the GX manga. And then when Judai fused LaDD with Winged Kuriboh, that was likely harking back to the fusion ability seen in the Memory Arc.

    The Priests were just clearly using the Items in more dynamic ways.

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    I read the first post and noticed that the change for the Ring stayed the same. My impression of it (dub and sub) that before it changed to the abilities we all know, the ring was able to detect Evil from a mile away....not matter how dangerous it it. I might be wrong though.....

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    None of the items' powers changed. No one knew how to fully utilize them like the Priests did.

    Oh, and the fact that there aren't any stone slabs or ka to seal away probably had something to do with it too.

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    Only Pegasus did X). In that filler in DK.

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    Default Re: A change in the millenium items powers

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkYami View Post
    I doubt they actually 'changed'. All the powers were likely there all the time. How those powers were used and whether they were used, however, likely changed due to the personality and motives of the user, and the needs of the time.
    I agree, I'm sure the items didn't change powers, just their different users were able to use them differently. It's kinda how magical items like that work. The powers of the 'item' depend on the user and the beliefs in said user.

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    As DarkYami and Makoeyes987 have said, the powers likely never changed but their full extent was probably never known. After all, the Sennen Items exist in a modern world where most people would only use them for their own selfish desires and would not necessarily know their background.

    - Rod: Priest Seto would not have used it for evil the way Malik did, but when you think about it, pulling the Ka out of a person's body and controlling it (like in controlling a person's mind) are much the same thing, since in both ways it is being controlled by the Rod.
    - Eye: The Eye does look into people's minds to see if there is a Ka, after all. The soul stealing part, you might be confusing that as a power that all of the Sennen Items have as a consequence of losing a Yami no Game. People wager their souls on those games, after all, and in the Memory World you could actually die from losing a game.
    - Scales: Priest Karim did use it to judge the criminals, and the Ka fusing is unlikely to be an ability of only this item.
    - Puzzle: It has the power of unity, but when its pieces were scattered, Atem could not manifest himself. In the first place, Atem sacrificed his life (and his memory) by sealing both his and Zork's souls inside the Puzzle because they could not beat Zork in his time.
    - Ring: Well, all of the items house a part of Zork, technically, because all were created in a nefarious manner.
    - Key: Technically, this is the item you could say has a mind-controlling power, but it's more of an ability to wipe a person's mind (by rearranging it). It remains the same as going into a person's soul and seeing the Ka there.

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