Thread: How did Yugi defeat Malik & Ra in the manga?

This is what Viz says the effect of Dimension Magic is in the manga:

When a Spellcaster-Type monster is on the field, sacrifice two others monsters to play another Spellcaster-Type monster from your Deck as a Special Summon. Two Spellcaster-Type monsters can combine their attack to destroy any one monster. At the end of you turn, discard both Spellcaster-Type mosters.

That should explain it. Horoko's translation from R agrees, on the monster-destroying bit at least. Black Magician and Black Magician Girl would've destroyed it no matter how strong thanks to Dimension Magic.

Oooohhhh I understand now. I took "combine their attack" too literally. I thought it was allowing them to combine their attack power as one attack, like "Magician's Unite." But its essentially an effect that allows any two spellcasters to destroy any monster by battle regardless of damage calculation. Okay, now it makes sense, thank you ^^

Eh? I don't see how Ra would be destroyed by its effect considering it has that immunity and stuff. o_o

Well, it's sort of like a combination of being destroyed by Magic and by monsters, which is apparently enough.

The anime makes even less sense, considering it goes by the belief that Ragnarok's cost is so high and the music that plays is so epic that surely it must be able to destroy Ra.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

Well, it's sort of like a combination of being destroyed by Magic and by monsters, which is apparently enough.

The anime makes even less sense, considering it goes by the belief that Ragnarok's cost is so high and the music that plays is so epic that surely it must be able to destroy Ra.

Well I thought because Ragnarok didn't target, and removed Ra from play, that was the reason why it was effected. And since God cards are only effected by magic cards for one turn, it'd return back to the graveyard once Malik had his turn.

"I activate my Reverse Magic, Ragnarok! (Ragnarok is a Magic card that can be activated when Black Magician and Black Magician Girl are on the field.) Its effect removes all monsters in my deck, hand and Cemetery to destroy all of my opponent's monsters. Even if they're a God!"

Didn't see anything about removing the monster from the game, though.

Yeah I before thought that it removed the god card from play and that thats exactly the big weak point they had and it kinda made sense. But that could be from the dub back then.
Looking at the correct translation, the defeat of RA in the anime makes even LESS sense than the manga. But thats the same as the three mythical Gods' immunities against effects in the anime (not sure hows that in the manga).

I still say the Vemon Naga has the strongest effects immunity than any monster in the real game, anime and manga .

Originally Posted by DARKMASTER

Yeah I before thought that it removed the god card from play and that thats exactly the big weak point they had and it kinda made sense. But that could be from the dub back then.
Looking at the correct translation, the defeat of RA in the anime makes even LESS sense than the manga. But thats the same as the three mythical Gods' immunities against effects in the anime (not sure hows that in the manga).

I still say the Vemon Naga has the strongest effects immunity than any monster in the real game, anime and manga .

*head desk* You're right... the anime does make less sense...I thought Ra was removed from play and...gah. Oh well, its just the anime. Since when did the anime actually correspond to the real card game, ESPECIALLY with consistency and the god cards? XD

And wait, I'd say Vennominaga would have the same immunity effect level as the god cards, not more...because God cards are unaffected by traps period, cards that destroy period (unless the card is called "Ragnarok" =P), can't be switched, immune to monster effects that destroy, and any effect that removes it from the field, or from play only works for one turn and then it just comes back.

It still doesn't really make any sense. Ra failed to be destroyed by the special effect of another God card just a few minutes ago. Why would it be able to be destroyed by the special effect of some magicians? A lot of story arcs seem to end this way just because Takahashi-sensei wants to end it with an attack from his favorite monster. (Black Magician in this case)

I've stopped having a problem with these seemingly anticlimactic endings. I mean a duel's got to end sometime!

I thought Takahashi's favorite monster is BEWD. Also I had always thought that a God card would be affected by a magic card for one turn unless that magic card was a control shifter.
It seemed to me that Yugi took Ra off the feild for one turn and could've taken Malik out but, chose not to for fear of injuring the good half of Malik. (This shows Atem's growth as a character if you contrast that ending to Duelist Kingdom vs Kaiba)When the good Malik gained control he quit, IMO, becuase he knew Atem could've won, he felt grateful, or becuase Ra would've been a 0 and he had no LP's. But those are just my thoughts on the matter.
Also, the levels of power between the Gods is what protected Ra, IMO, but other monsters that aren't Gods don't have to honor that. Yugi's Obelisk was useless in R without the level up. (If that can be accepted as evidence in this conversation)

In the English Manga, I was given the impressoin that having Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl on the field at the same time could destroy any monster, even a God.

After good Marik regained control of his body, he surrendered to sever the ties with this dark side. I would say it was a symbolic gesture, but symbolic gestures don't rip eyeballs in half.

As much as i know the immunities of the gods in the anime are like that.

No effect that destroys/takes control/removes from the field(to the had/deck) a god (except another god, like what happend to Osiris, or Ragnarok) works on them.
Well on RA only Ragnarok worked thanks to its ridiculous cost as an excuse, which still makes no sense.
Any other effect of any card works until the turn it was used.

I have a question, in the last yugioh GX episode, the way Atem summons Slifer, via a trap card is legal?

Originally Posted by RMD

I have a question, in the last yugioh GX episode, the way Atem summons Slifer, via a trap card is legal?

Yes it is, why wouldn't it be?

Because they are immune to trap cards, aren't they?

Originally Posted by RMD

Because they are immune to trap cards, aren't they?

It depends on the trap (like everything else since God cards are inconsistent). God cards can be influenced by traps if the trap doesn't have the explicit effect of targeting it or destroying it while on the field. Because God cards can't be destroyed by card effects. When Yami Yugi activated the effect of "Code Change" he made Osiris in the Graveyard into a spellcaster type while it was in the graveyard, and thus it satisfied the conditions of being revived by Dark Renewal and thus when it Code Change and Dark Renewal resolved, it was once more a Divine Beast. Then because it can only remain on the field one turn due to being influenced by card effects only for one turn, it would dissapear and thus return to the graveyard.

Please tell me he didn't duel Judai, and if he did, please tell me he didn't lose to Judai.

Originally Posted by Sephlock

Please tell me he didn't duel Judai, and if he did, please tell me he didn't lose to Judai.

He did, in Episodes 179/180 of GX. Juudai went back in time and fought against a Yugi who still had the Millennium Puzzle/God cards. Yugi was the winner, though.

Well it's never actually shown who won. Judai is the king of pulling victories out of the lower end side, so who knows.

Originally Posted by Oresama

Well it's never actually shown who won. Judai is the king of pulling victories out of the lower end side, so who knows.

The fact he attacked Osiris with Neos ended the game. Period. You don't need to see the outcome if you follow the turns and actions of the duel. There's no way Judai could win because he had nothing left in his hand to play save for Winged Kuriboh.

The damage he would take from Neos with 3000 attack battling Osiris with 5000 attack would take away the remainder of his life points. Judai only had 1600 life points. He chose to go down fighting when he had Neos attack Osiris, that's all. There's no way he could win after declaring his attack on Osiris.

But Judai is a known cheater. (I'll never forgive him for that stunt he pulled against Kagemaru).

"... but wait, Neos has an heretofore unmentioned ability that you don't know about: Whenever it fights a card with "Osiris" in the name, it automatically deals 3000 damage to the opponent and nullifies all battle damage!"

Originally Posted by Sephlock

But Judai is a known cheater. (I'll never forgive him for that stunt he pulled against Kagemaru).

"... but wait, Neos has an heretofore unmentioned ability that you don't know about: Whenever it fights a card with "Osiris" in the name, it automatically deals 3000 damage to the opponent and nullifies all battle damage!"

LMAO, wha? XD

I must've missed something, how did he cheat against Kagemaru? Did I miss something? XD

And if Judai did that, I'd smell a punishment game. Atem would show him what a real shadow game was like.

While it wasn't really cheating per se, the Super-Duper-I-Can-Get-Any-Damned-Card-I-Want-Cuz-I'm-John-Q-Protagonist card was pretty bad.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

In the anime, Yugi activated the magic card "Ragnarok" which allowed his Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl to remove from play Ra and thus defeat the God Card, which makes sense

Wait, I could have sworn that didn't work, and Ra was "defeated" when the good Malik took over and surrendered... *goes to watch the episode again*

Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko

While it wasn't really cheating per se, the Super-Duper-I-Can-Get-Any-Damned-Card-I-Want-Cuz-I'm-John-Q-Protagonist card was pretty bad.

That card could not possibly have been approved by Industrial Illusions and was therefore counterfeit .

Furthermore, that was the most BS deus ex machina I've ever seen. Why even bother making a big deal out of changing things to adhere to the real card game's rules if you're going to pull something like that?

(Don't mind me, I still feel the whole Millenium Puzzle thing was just another way of cheating ... episode 9 of Yu-Gi-Oh! The Abridged series comes to mind.)

Originally Posted by Sephlock

(Don't mind me, I still feel the whole Millenium Puzzle thing was just another way of cheating ... episode 9 of Yu-Gi-Oh! The Abridged series comes to mind.)

I'm pretty sure that the Puzzle pales in comparison to other items in terms of their potential for abuse, like...perhaps the Eye?

The abiguity of the god cards was really thrown in to add a variable that could be manipulated for the story and to allow the characters to sort of make up rules as they go along like seemed to happen sometimes in Duelist Kingdom.

Really the only one who seemed to know anything about the abilities of the god cards was Kaiba as evidenced in his monologue while trying to discover a weakness in Ra on the Battle Ship. I wonder what kind of research he did to find that information. I can't imagine that the god cards have actually been used in a game too often, since they tend to kill most would-be players.

Originally Posted by Sephlock

Please tell me he didn't duel Judai, and if he did, please tell me he didn't lose to Judai.

can i tell you that the episode isnt show in america