Thread: has anyone ever thought about it

Well duh. Everyone knows Kaiba is a little psychopath but to where on the level Marik is but still a crazy little b!tch.

yes it true that Marik overshadows the fact....
but still I never thought about it till now really

Bakura, Marik, Kaiba, Pegasus, Yami Yugi...just about everyone connected to Egypt from the first series was a little bit nuts.

Peagsus was just ronery not crazy.

no Pegasus was crazy,
his wife died in his hands and he tried using dark magic to resurect her

Bakura saw everyone he ever knew slaughtered in front of him

Marik was forced to be a hermit and he went crazy

Kaiba lived through Death, abusive fgather = pyscho

but how is Atem crazy?

You can't Mind Crush as many people as he has without being a little bit crazy. Not to mention making the criminal go boom with a lighter and liquor, playing an explosive game of table hockey, putting people in illusions that made them go crazy...

So maybe he's just a little bit psychotic is all

Originally Posted by Eliteslayer

You can't Mind Crush as many people as he has without being a little bit crazy. Not to mention making the criminal go boom with a lighter and liquor, playing an explosive game of table hockey, putting people in illusions that made them go crazy...

So maybe he's just a little bit psychotic is all

Well he's punishing the sinners according to their crimes, I don't think its psycho*twitch*

kidding, but yeah I geuss you have a point

Originally Posted by pokeslob

but still I never thought about it till now really

You mean, you've read all through Kaiba bullying an old man, stealing his favorite card, causing several people to commit suicide, building an ENTIRE DAMN THEME PARK OF DEATH, trying to kill his classmates, leaving his little brother to go nuts in a simulator because he lost a game, ending up in a six month coma, threatening to kill himself over a card game, turning an entire city into his own personal playground, setting off a bomb on a remote island while people were running about said island looking for him, and finally zapping off to America in goddamn dragon shaped-jet (oklolanimeonly), and you've only come to this conclusion now?

Yes, he's ********ing nuts. So is everyone who is anyone on Yugioh :V

Originally Posted by pokeslob

his wife died in his hands and he tried using dark magic to resurect her

That's ronery.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

You mean, you've read all through Kaiba bullying an old man, stealing his favorite card, causing several people to commit suicide, building an ENTIRE DAMN THEME PARK OF DEATH, trying to kill his classmates, leaving his little brother to go nuts in a simulator because he lost a game, ending up in a six month coma, threatening to kill himself over a card game, turning an entire city into his own personal playground, setting off a bomb on a remote island while people were running about said island looking for him, and finally zapping off to America in goddamn dragon shaped-jet (oklolanimeonly), and you've only come to this conclusion now?

Yes, he's ********ing nuts. So is everyone who is anyone on Yugioh :V

you've got a point lol

Pre Death-T Kaiba was definitely a loon, but what about afterward?

Originally Posted by JuJube

Pre Death-T Kaiba was definitely a loon, but what about afterward?

Still looney, but in a likeable, cool way. Likeable Looney.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

You mean, you've read all through Kaiba bullying an old man, stealing his favorite card, causing several people to commit suicide, building an ENTIRE DAMN THEME PARK OF DEATH, trying to kill his classmates, leaving his little brother to go nuts in a simulator because he lost a game, ending up in a six month coma, threatening to kill himself over a card game, turning an entire city into his own personal playground, setting off a bomb on a remote island while people were running about said island looking for him, and finally zapping off to America in goddamn dragon shaped-jet (oklolanimeonly), and you've only come to this conclusion now?

That's why I love him... <3
xDDD

wait a second, after Yugi did the mind puzzle thing to Kaiba after Death-T didn't that kinda fix the whoel mental thing?

Originally Posted by pokeslob

wait a second, after Yugi did the mind puzzle thing to Kaiba after Death-T didn't that kinda fix the whoel mental thing?

Yes, the Mind Crush was supposed to remove the evil in Kaiba's heart, making Kaiba "rebuild his heart" and thus become a better person. Which it kinda did. He's no longer the insane, sadistic shut in child he was at the start of the series. He gained a sense of honor and duelist's pride, no longer resorting to cheating or trying to kill people to win.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

Yes, the Mind Crush was supposed to remove the evil in Kaiba's heart, making Kaiba "rebuild his heart" and thus become a better person. Which it kinda did. He's no longer the insane, sadistic shut in child he was at the start of the series. He gained a sense of honor and duelist's pride, no longer resorting to cheating or trying to kill people to win.

well he tried to kill himself to win in Duelist Kingdom

Originally Posted by pokeslob

well he tried to kill himself to win in Duelist Kingdom

Wasn't that just a bluff? Or, more like, psychological warfare?

So is everyone who is anyone on Yugioh :V

QFT.

And of course, all the trouble started because one man decides to craft items with the help of a book they weren't supposed to read/use in the first place. Then, in the present day, hell goes loose because one (rather depressed) teenage boy researched too much about death and the afterlife, and then saw things he wasn't supposed to. After that he invents something which causes much pain and suffering for several people. And I haven't mentioned that one soul, without memories, locked in an item, wanting to rest in peace in the afterlife...

I don't quite remember it that depressing...
I'mma going to re read the serires

Originally Posted by pokeslob

I don't quite remember it that depressing...
I'mma going to re read the serires

When you think about it, Yugioh is very depressing.

Atem: (presumably) lost his mother at a young age, lost his father as a teenager, lost his soul at 16, had his memory wiped, trapped in a tacky piece of jewelry for 3000 years
Kaiba: orphaned in childhood, abused and driven nuts by step father
Jonouchi: parents divorced, separated from his sister, alcoholic father
Bakura: lost his sister, lost his mother, hosted a sadistic maniac in his head
Pegasus: lost a lover, driven nuts by grief, forced into gouging out his eye and replacing it with a tacky piece of jewelry, murdered
Malik: spent his entire life imprisoned in a depressing underground ghetto, developed mental issues, killed his father, went completely nuts

I could probably go on if I tried hard enough.

this makes me laugh

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

When you think about it, Yugioh is very depressing.

Atem: (presumably) lost his mother at a young age, lost his father as a teenager, lost his soul at 16, had his memory wiped, trapped in a tacky piece of jewelry for 3000 years
Kaiba: orphaned in childhood, abused and driven nuts by step father
Jonouchi: parents divorced, separated from his sister, alcoholic father
Bakura: lost his sister, lost his mother, hosted a sadistic maniac in his head
Pegasus: lost a lover, driven nuts by grief, forced into gouging out his eye and replacing it with a tacky piece of jewelry, murdered
Malik: spent his entire life imprisoned in a depressing underground ghetto, developed mental issues, killed his father, went completely nuts

I could probably go on if I tried hard enough.

Hahah, that list is awesome! :D

I don't have much to add for now, but...

Mai: Got Mind Raped by Malik's penalty game. Then gets her weakness exploited by Dartz. (Are we counting Doma here? :U)
Everyone in GX: Got temporarily stuck in Evangelion's plotline, and received respective treatment from Darkness. They were also tormented by their worst nightmares. (I think)

Originally Posted by Arynis

Hahah, that list is awesome!

I don't have much to add for now, but...

Mai: Got Mind Raped by Malik's penalty game. Then gets her weakness exploited by Dartz. (Are we counting Doma here? :U)
Everyone in GX: Got temporarily stuck in Evangelion's plotline, and received respective treatment from Darkness. They were also tormented by their worst nightmares. (I think)

I never watched GX enough to know, how exactly did they all get caught up in evangellion?

Originally Posted by pokeslob

I never watched GX enough to know, how exactly did they all get caught up in evangellion?

Ah... Well, GX's end is quite similar to the events described in End Of Evangelion, the movie which combined the final episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion. This link should explain it to you in short (and without the much, much Mind Screw that comes with it). Also, the previous sentence's link has spoilers for NGE and its movie. Just a friendly warning. :>

Continuing with the list of depressed people...

Varon, Amelda, Raphael: All had tragic pasts which ruined/changed their life, which were all planned by Dartz to collect them as his chosen duelists.
Dartz: Had to kill his Queen, got corrupted by the Orichalcos, then spend 10000 years reviving his giant Leviathan using human souls.

Hmm...Sorry, they don't come to me too fast. Anyone care to continue? :p

Originally Posted by Arynis

Ah... Well, GX's end is quite similar to the events described in End Of Evangelion, the movie which combined the final episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion. This link should explain it to you in short (and without the much, much Mind Screw that comes with it). Also, the previous sentence's link has spoilers for NGE and its movie. Just a friendly warning. :>

Continuing with the list of depressed people...

Varon, Amelda, Raphael: All had tragic pasts which ruined/changed their life, which were all planned by Dartz to collect them as his chosen duelists.
Dartz: Had to kill his Queen, got corrupted by the Orichalcos, then spend 10000 years reviving his giant Leviathan using human souls.

Hmm...Sorry, they don't come to me too fast. Anyone care to continue? :p

thaks for the link!

also don't worry about it no one counts the filler series as official story
continuing the list, even though he good one were already take:

Zeigrfried: has the exact same childhood Kaiba had...
also has anyone mentioned yet that Priest Seto had to kill the woman he loved for that Dragon God?

From the manga.

Anzu: Nearly got raped by a teacher, was held hostage several times, it's a wonder she didn't go loony.
Honda: Has to take care of Johji his nephew, nuff said.
Otogi: Forced to help his father create a plan to kill and injure Yuugi and friends over a game that his father lost 20 years ago to Sugoroko. Wound up nearly being killed while working for pegasus, had to deal with crazy people in BC and then again in the last duel.

Hanasaki: Had a condition that hospitalized him and has to put on a suit ala batman to gain confidence.

i always thought kaiba was crazy..ı mean come on, you ************ slap a guy half your size with a brıefcase for having the gall to ask for a playing card that you stole from him, then holding a grudge against him forever (ok,that was for losing the game)

i'd say that qualifies as crazy, but then again, many chars in this series have ridiculous reasons for hating yugı..

Originally Posted by Arynis

Hahah, that list is awesome!

I don't have much to add for now, but...

Mai: Got Mind Raped by Malik's penalty game. Then gets her weakness exploited by Dartz. (Are we counting Doma here? :U)
Everyone in GX: Got temporarily stuck in Evangelion's plotline, and received respective treatment from Darkness. They were also tormented by their worst nightmares. (I think)

Heh. Funny you mention Mai's mind ******** and then the GX/Evangelion thing.

Mai also had a bit of a lonely growing-up phase which made her cynical and a little amoral in the beginning.

ETA: How did you get the R word in there? Is the censor font sensitive or something?

Wow, so much focus is placed on Marik's childhood trauma that caused his split personality disorder, but really that wasn't so bad compared to what Kaiba had to go through. I guess Kaiba just had a stronger mind. He embraced the evil tendencies engraved into him by his stepfather instead of letting his psyche fracture like Marik did. Good thing, too. People are much better off struggling against their own darkness than going full-out Jekyll and Hyde.

Originally Posted by Eliteslayer

You can't Mind Crush as many people as he has without being a little bit crazy.

"As many people as he has?" What, one? There wasn't anybody besides Kaiba (I'm not talking about the anime).

Originally Posted by Arynis

Wasn't that just a bluff? Or, more like, psychological warfare?

That was no bluff. With his defeat Kaiba would lose the chance to face Pegasus and therefore any chance of seeing his brother again. He had seen Pegasus play; he knew even he had almost no chance to win. He had become a man without hope.

Just like on Alcatraz island when Kaiba is setting the self-destruct for the Duel Tower, Ishizu tells him that, unless her brother is saved, she has nothing left to live for and intends to stay behind and sink with the island into the sea. It's at this point that Kaiba thinks to himself "She's just like I was."

Originally Posted by russ869

That was no bluff. With his defeat Kaiba would lose the chance to face Pegasus and therefore any chance of seeing his brother again. He had seen Pegasus play; he knew even he had almost no chance to win. He had become a man without hope.

Just like on Alcatraz island when Kaiba is setting the self-destruct for the Duel Tower, Ishizu tells him that, unless her brother is saved, she has nothing left to live for and intends to stay behind and sink with the island into the sea. It's at this point that Kaiba thinks to himself "She's just like I was."

I see. Thanks for clearing it up!

Originally Posted by Cococo-co_Co-coco

Heh. Funny you mention Mai's mind ******** and then the GX/Evangelion thing.

;D

Originally Posted by Cococo-co_Co-coco

Mai also had a bit of a lonely growing-up phase which made her cynical and a little amoral in the beginning.

ETA: How did you get the R word in there? Is the censor font sensitive or something?

Ah, I missed that bit about Mai. I saw the flashback in the anime, but not in the manga (at least visually)... Must've been mentioned in the characters' dialogue.

As for the R word, it appears it isn't censored if you put it in past tense. Whoops? Bug report! Bug report!

Originally Posted by Arynis

I see. Thanks for clearing it up!


;D



Ah, I missed that bit about Mai. I saw the flashback in the anime, but not in the manga (at least visually)... Must've been mentioned in the characters' dialogue.

As for the R word, it appears it isn't censored if you put it in past tense. Whoops? Bug report! Bug report!

Well, early on, she kind of seduces Rex in order to get him to duel in order to win his cabin on board the boat to Duelist Kingdom.

Originally Posted by Cococo-co_Co-coco

Well, early on, she kind of seduces Rex in order to get him to duel in order to win his cabin on board the boat to Duelist Kingdom.

Oh yeah, I remember that! I was referring to the childhood thing, though, with a flashback of child Mai in the anime. I don't recall that in the manga, unless I missed it.

Also, there's Mai's job as a dealer on that cruise ship with the casino.

Didn't Mai also flit with and tease old spike head to help the others get into the castle?

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Didn't Mai also flit with and tease old spike head to help the others get into the castle?

"My hair is in love!"

You mean Saruwatari? I think that was just fake flirting so the non-duelist people (Anzu, Bakura, Honda) could get into the castle while Mai distracted him. And then he got hit on the head by her bag, and got shut out of the castle.

*laughs* Still a great moment for Mai. Which is kinda of why I was hoping that we would see her somewhat post Doma, but I guess that never happened outside of her shot with Vivian.

Originally Posted by russ869

"As many people as he has?" What, one? There wasn't anybody besides Kaiba (I'm not talking about the anime).

Well, it wasn't always mind crush, I was using that as a general term for the crazy penalty games he inflicts. Turning garbage into money, pixelating someone's eyes, not to mention blowing one or two people up on occasion, the killer puppets, the noose illusion, yeah, he's inflicted a lot of crazy penalty games on people.

Yami was on scary person. Do you think he did this becuase he had to or becuase he was nuts when Yuugi woke him up?

Well, later on in the series he gave penalties that fit the crime (ie. the player killer and whatnot on Duelist Kingdom), but early on the penalty games were... a little extreme. Making a criminal blow himself up, sure, but is a dangerous armed robber who broke out of prison really on the same level as an upperclassman bully who beat Yugi up to get their classes spot during the school festival? Both of 'em did get a blast of fire in the face.

So the punishments were a little excessive for a good part of the time, but whether or not that was because he was nuts or because he had to do it, personally I think it was just in his nature. I mean, the series was just getting started through most of those, so his character was just getting unveiled, but Yami Yugi only really mellowed out once he and Yugi actually started talking to each other. Or about halfway through Death-T, I suppose one could argue, since he saved Mokuba, but that's beside the point. So probably, yeah, he was nuts.

I don't think that he had to inflict any of those penalty games, but he did anyways. He felt it was right to punish the bullies, criminals, scheming salesmen, gangsters, TV producers, and so on and so forth, with whatever penalty game he saw fitting. As far as we know, he could have chosen to inflict them with the penalty game of "Seeing everything as happy bunnies and rainbows" (Which, admittedly, would probably drive one insane just as well), but he chose penalty games like "illusion of avarice," "mind on air," and "drop the lighter into the overflowing glass of booze, causing it to blow up and burn you to a smoldering heap of what was once a man."

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Yami was on scary person. Do you think he did this becuase he had to or becuase he was nuts when Yuugi woke him up?

He has no memory so in a way he's like a really powerful child. He still retained his personality be he has no sense of identity. "Am I a good guy, or a bad guy...", ect.

That kind of person can be VERY scary.

Originally Posted by Eliteslayer

I mean, the series was just getting started through most of those, so his character was just getting unveiled, but Yami Yugi only really mellowed out once he and Yugi actually started talking to each other. Or about halfway through Death-T, I suppose one could argue, since he saved Mokuba, but that's beside the point. So probably, yeah, he was nuts.

If you think about it, Pegasus was probably the first opponent that the other Yugi never penalty gamed. Even Mokuba got it once before he was spaired the second time.

Yugi was really different after Pegasus.

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Yami was on scary person. Do you think he did this becuase he had to or becuase he was nuts when Yuugi woke him up?

Neither. He just had a very raw take on the idea of justice. At least that's the way I interpret it. Even at his most ruthless, he still had a very strong sense of right and wrong, so I never really saw anything particularly evil or nuts about him (even though I usually label all major YGO protagonists as nuts for lulz :V).

Originally Posted by russ869

If you think about it, Pegasus was probably the first opponent that the other Yugi never penalty gamed.

Right on. That was a major turning point for him. Really sucks that the anime left it out completely.

As I understand it one of the reasons they did was because they didn't have the rights to the first series. Which sucked to be honest. Russ I totally agree, he was like a child at first, reacting I think to Yuugi's emotions at the time. Because if you think about it, at first Bakura did the same thing. He attacked the teacher becuase of the emotions Ryou was going through.

I remember a long time ago there was a debate on wether or not the "spirits" actually fed on the emotions of Yugi and Ryou and, since Yuugi somewhat changed Atem, that Ryou could have made changes to Bakura as well, but I'm not so sure on that one.

Originally Posted by russ869

If you think about it, Pegasus was probably the first opponent that the other Yugi never penalty gamed. Even Mokuba got it once before he was spaired the second time.

Yugi was really different after Pegasus.

If I remember properly, Yugi wanted to penalty game Pegasus at first. ("Before you go to hell, can you tell me?!") After he heard his story, however, he couldn't inflict the Penalty Game on him anymore, doing so would've proved Pegasus' words right. ("The Sennen Item held an evil intelligence...") Besides, he must've felt sorry for Pegasus, too.

Only then he started wondering who he really was.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

Right on. That was a major turning point for him. Really sucks that the anime left it out completely.

Agreed! Now that you mention it... The anime left out some of those small bits which make the story a lot better and deeper. :C

The closest the anime got to that bit was the group feeling sorry about Pegasus (sort of) after they've finished reading his journal.