Thread: Should Atem really have crossed over and left Yugi?

While Atem would've been a powerful ally, as far as they were considered he had fulfilled his purpose, finished what he started 3000 years ago. There is no way they could have known about the Society of Light, or Yubel, or anything that would eventually happen.

Originally Posted by Umbra

While Atem would've been a powerful ally, as far as they were considered he had fulfilled his purpose, finished what he started 3000 years ago. There is no way they could have known about the Society of Light, or Yubel, or anything that would eventually happen.

Well, that is true, there really isn't a way either of them could've known. But do you think if they did, they would've? Do you think that would've been a smart idea or necessary?

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

Well, that is true, there really isn't a way either of them could've known. But do you think if they did, they would've? Do you think that would've been a smart idea or necessary?

Now that I reconsider, there IS a way they could have learned. Judai traveled back in time in GX 178, right? YUUKI JUDAI, RETCON THE SERIES FINALE BECAUSE YOU CAN~

It's possible, given Atem's noble nature, but it's just as likely that he would finally want some rest after being trapped inside an ancient artifact for a few millenniums.

Personally I think that, since Atem's destiny was to repeat what happened 3,000 years before, he had to die again too.

Originally Posted by Umbra

Now that I reconsider, there IS a way they could have learned. Judai traveled back in time in GX 178, right? YUUKI JUDAI, RETCON THE SERIES FINALE BECAUSE YOU CAN~

It's possible, given Atem's noble nature, but it's just as likely that he would finally want some rest after being trapped inside an ancient artifact for a few millenniums.

Actually...

Spoiler: 5Ds Movie Spoiler

In the movie Guide, it is revealed that the Yugi that appeared in the GX Finale was actually Older Yugi, whom had supplanted his memories into a replica of his past self. Judai never went into the past, rather, Yugi had somehow initiated some Shadow magic of some sort, and had entered Judai's mind, and implanted his own memories of the YGOS1 time. By doing so, he could duel Judai with cards and abilities he no longer had. It was all an illusion.

Originally Posted by Katoma

Actually...

Spoiler: 5Ds Movie Spoiler

In the movie Guide, it is revealed that the Yugi that appeared in the GX Finale was actually Older Yugi, whom had supplanted his memories into a replica of his past self. Judai never went into the past, rather, Yugi had somehow initiated some Shadow magic of some sort, and had entered Judai's mind, and implanted his own memories of the YGOS1 time. By doing so, he could duel Judai with cards and abilities he no longer had. It was all an illusion.

I always thought that was the case, but the movie guide confirmed that? Really?

If so, I feel quite pleased with having pegged that already.

.....But then that leads up to another question.

How does normal Yugi even DO that?

Originally Posted by Katoma

Actually...

Spoiler: 5Ds Movie Spoiler

In the movie Guide, it is revealed that the Yugi that appeared in the GX Finale was actually Older Yugi, whom had supplanted his memories into a replica of his past self. Judai never went into the past, rather, Yugi had somehow initiated some Shadow magic of some sort, and had entered Judai's mind, and implanted his own memories of the YGOS1 time. By doing so, he could duel Judai with cards and abilities he no longer had. It was all an illusion.

Oh, Japanese writers...
That's why I love you...

Here is how I see it, Atem essentially lived 3 different times...
-when he was born until he sealed himself (real body)
-after Yugi solved the puzzle (Yugi's body)
-and then re lived his life in egypt in the final dark RPG (Memory Body)

after that I think it is about time to just die...
so if I were in his shoes, I would have done the same thing, and just died

Originally Posted by pokeslob

Here is how I see it, Atem essentially lived 3 different times...
-when he was born until he sealed himself (real body)
-after Yugi solved the puzzle (Yugi's body)
-and then re lived his life in egypt in the final dark RPG (Memory Body)

after that I think it is about time to just die...
so if I were in his shoes, I would have done the same thing, and just died

I agree. Think about it, if you had to relive life three times, save the world several times in doing that and then the emotional part of having NO memory of your first original life, wouldn't you have been tired after that? Atem deserves some peace, and plus he probably wanted to be with his father and family anyway.

You guys do remember that Atem said to Yugi in Battle City that actually he wouldn't mind staying with him and being his partner, right?

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

You guys do remember that Atem said to Yugi in Battle City that actually he wouldn't mind staying with him and being his partner, right?

that was before he relived his memories in Egypt, I think no matter how good his new friends become, that he would probably just want to return to his family

On this topic, there's a thing I always asked myself: why the conditions of the Cerimonial Battle where that (if Yugi had won, Atem would have died and, if Atem would have won, he would have stayed on Earth other 3,000 years), in your opinion?

The only idea I could came to is that Yugi aim was to mature as a duelist, and become so strong to duel and win even knowing that winning would have make him lose an important person, a thing that makes the ending even more bitter than it already was.

Originally Posted by pokeslob

that was before he relived his memories in Egypt, I think no matter how good his new friends become, that he would probably just want to return to his family

Yeah, after his memories returned I'm sure that he would want to return to his family.

Originally Posted by Katoma

Actually...

Spoiler: 5Ds Movie Spoiler

In the movie Guide, it is revealed that the Yugi that appeared in the GX Finale was actually Older Yugi, whom had supplanted his memories into a replica of his past self. Judai never went into the past, rather, Yugi had somehow initiated some Shadow magic of some sort, and had entered Judai's mind, and implanted his own memories of the YGOS1 time. By doing so, he could duel Judai with cards and abilities he no longer had. It was all an illusion.

Spoiler: Movie/interpretation

I said Yug hadn't like usual toward Judai because he said about Winged Kuriboh. This confirm it. Yugi had definitively changed. Yugi Adult had blinded Judai. Young Yugi would have never do something like this: It isn't his way to be, he would never wronged someone with some magics powers.

In regards of this, this place, this memories, take a new meanning. Yugi has locked his memories in republica. The fact to do this can maybe mean that Yugi regrets this era: someone who regrets nothing wouldn't have act like this. It's the contrary: he remembered good moments without regrets and would have continued to go in his life, his destiny. Yugi will be become someone who lives in the past, at the era where he is happy ? But this idea implies a problem who happed to him.

To answer at topic, I see things on two sides:

On the one hand, Atem with Yugi's help has retrieve his name. Thing did, he wants leave Yugi to retrieve his family, his friends. He think he has accomplished his destiny and has nothing to do on Earth... and with Yugi.

On the other hand, Yugi who said at Battle City he wants fight by himself when Atem tries to retake the control of Yugi's body to fight Jono-Uchi.

If Atem wasn't left, Yugi would have always associated at Atem. Never he would have can success to prove he has skills as duelist because Atem had always fought.

See this way, the separation was a necessity for each other.

Originally Posted by Allana

See this way, the separation was a necessity for each other.

That's very true. Atem can't be with Yugi forever, if Yugi moves on with life gets married and all that stuff, then their relationship would get more akward and more confusing. Atem can't be with Yugi after finding his memories, he would want to be more independant, actually both Yugi and Atem would want to be more independant as time continued. So it makes no sense for Atem to stay wihtin Yugi indefintly. Even if Atem had his own body, I still think he rather go to the afterlife and be with his family. Plus, wouldn't Yugi just meet up with Atem after he's gets old himself and dies anyway.

Originally Posted by tori_yugio4ever

That's very true. Atem can't be with Yugi forever, if Yugi moves on with life gets married and all that stuff, then their relationship would get more akward and more confusing. Atem can't be with Yugi after finding his memories, he would want to be more independant, actually both Yugi and Atem would want to be more independant as time continued. So it makes no sense for Atem to stay wihtin Yugi indefintly. Even if Atem had his own body, I still think he rather go to the afterlife and be with his family. Plus, wouldn't Yugi just meet up with Atem after he's gets old himself and dies anyway.

I'm agree. There also all side "personal life" I hadn't mentionned.

I believe this separation was necessary. Yugi must become Yugi. Not Yugi AND Atem. Just Yugi, someone independant who take decision and do his life by himself. Someone completly himself. It's his wishes.

In same time, in psychology point of view, for his friends, I think things aren't easy like episode 224 show it. Yugi do disappear Atem. Jono-Uchi, and Ishizu was the alone person who said they supports really Yugi. Anzu doesn't, Honda neither. Even not Marik and Kaiba. Almost everyone wants Yugi loose, be too weaker and wants Atem stays in the real world. Anzu and Honda because they think Atem is their friend and he can't leave like this, suddently, by a duel... even It's Atem's wishes. Marik and Kaiba estimated that Yugi would have necessarily lost the duel simply because they consider him too weaker. Except Ishizu and Jono-Uchi, nobody believe really in him. Because It's Atem the Duelist. Not Yugi. It's why the separation is really a necessity: Yugi must prove he can be a duelist. Better: in win the duel, he proves he is stronger than Atem. He proves he IS a duelist... and a man who wishes lives like someone normal and take decision by himself.

In psychology point of view, there two possible reasonning next the duel.

- If we follows the human psychology, the next is logically this: when they realize Yugi at did, they rends him responsible for the loss of a friend. They feels angry against him: why he successed when he knew that nobody wants to see Atem leave this world ? The reproch is in other words: why he hadn't choose to loose intentionally ? Answer: he wantec to see Atem leave, It's why he build a deck to go at this goal. This idea supposing the friendship is potentially broken by the Duel Monsters.

- The second can be they accept the situation. They stay friends.

It's two logical possibilities. All depends the reasonning that human sprit follows.

But I'm off topic. It isn't a topic of psychology and the topic isn't Yugi's friends.

Originally Posted by Allana

I'm agree. There also all side "personal life" I hadn't mentionned.

I believe this separation was necessary. Yugi must become Yugi. Not Yugi AND Atem. Just Yugi, someone independant who take decision and do his life by himself. Someone completly himself. It's his wishes.

In same time, in psychology point of view, for his friends, I think things aren't easy like episode 224 show it. Yugi do disappear Atem. Jono-Uchi, and Ishizu was the alone person who said they supports really Yugi. Anzu doesn't, Honda neither. Even not Marik and Kaiba. Almost everyone wants Yugi loose, be too weaker and wants Atem stays in the real world. Anzu and Honda because they think Atem is their friend and he can't leave like this, suddently, by a duel... even It's Atem's wishes. Marik and Kaiba estimated that Yugi would have necessarily lost the duel simply because they consider him too weaker. Except Ishizu and Jono-Uchi, nobody believe really in him. Because It's Atem the Duelist. Not Yugi. It's why the separation is really a necessity: Yugi must prove he can be a duelist. Better: in win the duel, he proves he is stronger than Atem. He proves he IS a duelist... and a man who wishes lives like someone normal and take decision by himself.

In psychology point of view, there two possible reasonning next the duel.

- If we follows the human psychology, the next is logically this: when they realize Yugi at did, they rends him responsible for the loss of a friend. They feels angry against him: why he successed when he knew that nobody wants to see Atem leave this world ? The reproch is in other words: why he hadn't choose to loose intentionally ? Answer: he wantec to see Atem leave, It's why he build a deck to go at this goal. This idea supposing the friendship is potentially broken by the Duel Monsters.

- The second can be they accept the situation. They stay friends.

It's two logical possibilities. All depends the reasonning that human sprit follows.

But I'm off topic. It isn't a topic of psychology and the topic isn't Yugi's friends.

I absolutely agree with you, it might a bit off topic. But those are important points that influenced the whole separation process... plus I think it's clearer now Atem and Yugi needed to separate.

Originally Posted by Katoma

Actually...

Spoiler: 5Ds Movie Spoiler

In the movie Guide, it is revealed that the Yugi that appeared in the GX Finale was actually Older Yugi, whom had supplanted his memories into a replica of his past self. Judai never went into the past, rather, Yugi had somehow initiated some Shadow magic of some sort, and had entered Judai's mind, and implanted his own memories of the YGOS1 time. By doing so, he could duel Judai with cards and abilities he no longer had. It was all an illusion.

That doesn't explain how Judai ends up on a road somewhere. Unless that's also Atem messing with his mind...

...Anyone else get the feeling we're actually dealing with a villain here?

If the Pharaoh stayed with Yugi and they knew about the coming problems at least a little.
Well with all the powers and dueling skill they both have THEN(after DM). That would be a COMPLETE OVERKILL for the bad guys if you throw into the equation Yusei or the GOD-HAND GUY, all kind of powers Judai Yuki. HECK you can take Yugi after DM and just give him a new partner. Aka Yusei/Judai, but this time they wont be so close like with Yugi and the Pharaoh were and be presented more as equals at least in special powers(no God cards as you know), cuz in dueling skills Yugi will always be at least some better than any new partner he gets.
Meaning its said that Yugi can also see DM spirits and such. So here is a power that can be developed in a way to protect him at least enough from the special powers of the villains so they will have to duel it out to decided who will live in the end.

Also again if Yugi and Atem knew about coming problems in the future, I CAN SEE the Pharaoh to be so confident in Yugi's skills and power that he can do it all by himself easily and not to mention that Yugi has found also a lot of other best friends that are also strong in their own way at the end of DM.

Well no matter if Judai or Yusei. IF "after DM" Yugi is there for one of them as a partner to fight against the villains.
THAT would be overkill. And to add to that 2 man team the Pharaoh or put all FOUR of them into 1 time and space to fight some super-special-awesome-ultimate-villain-bad guy.

I don't see why that villain should be even trying to do any harm to anyone/anything if he is facing a team of super powered and very skilled duelists like that.
Not to mention all 4 of them are a skilled specially in fighting that kind of opponents.

We need some sort of a duels war for a good guys team that has that Yugi in it to have grounds to present good enough villains to actually be a threat to the good guys.

You know, I'm really surprised there's not much attention being brought to the fact that the 10th Anniversary YGO movie artbook explained just how that final duel with Yugi and Judai took place. I mean, seriously. That's some pretty epic news, there.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

You know, I'm really surprised there's not much attention being brought to the fact that the 10th Anniversary YGO movie artbook explained just how that final duel with Yugi and Judai took place. I mean, seriously. That's some pretty epic news, there.

Yes..it's true that the timeline problem with the duel between Yugi and Judai is finally settled (although it has always been a liitle obvious that this duel was just an illusion, not a travelling through time, so, now the book just confirmed this long existed suspicion.) But I can't catch on what's the connection of Judai vs Yugi duel with the matter in this thread.

Atem staying would be all kinds of wrong and creepy, especially if, like me, you like to think the anime fillers and spin-offs never happened. I don't like it when a story crawls too far up its own ass, which is exactly what Yu-Gi-Oh has been doing in everything that isn't the original manga. I mean, one world threatening supernatural evil is quite enough for a story like this, and in that context there really was no reason whatsoever for him to stay.