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    Exactly What it says on the tin. Was it ever explained in the original manga or anime how Solid Vision works? How it reads the card data or anything else like that?



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    Paraphrasing from what Kaiba said in the manga during Death-T and whatnot: Magic & Wizards (and by proxy Duel Monsters) cards have integrated circuit chips embedded in them which are then scanned once played. The scanned data is then transmitted into the Solid Vision technology which makes a 3D projection.


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    Also, in the Pyramid of Light movie novel, the narrator talks about the IC chips in the cards.

    Only Industrial Illusions can release official Duel Monsters cards. Kaiba Corporation is permitted to the division which deals with scanning the information on the IC chips embedded in dueling cards and projecting their image.
    [...] By deciphering the magic words kept hidden in Duel Monsters and converting them into IC chips, Pegasus made an enormous fortune.
    And Yu-Gi-Oh! R plays with the mechanisms of Kaiba Corporation's Duel Server, like how the Solid Vision data is transmitted.

    It's a shame that technology was never elaborated on.



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    Default Re: How Does Solid Vision Work?

    Ah, but what about cards before solid vision was invented? I'm guessing those wouldn't work with solid vision?



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    I didn't think it's ever explained how Solid Vision is solid though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    I didn't think it's ever explained how Solid Vision is solid though...
    Maybe it's just a fancy name? I mean, they're clearly holograms, since they're unable to do real damage,except when Magic or Supah Powuz are involved. Although the "Feel" introduced in the 5D's manga really makes me question that, hope it's elaborated upon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Blight
    Maybe it's just a fancy name? I mean, they're clearly holograms, since they're unable to do real damage,except when Magic or Supah Powuz are involved. Although the "Feel" introduced in the 5D's manga really makes me question that, hope it's elaborated upon.
    They can't really do any damage in the original and the manga by themselves (except for some moments of artistic licence), but I'd still say they can...blow stuff. Whip up some wind. Feel is apparently some sort of Solid Vision System built into D-Wheels.

    And then in GX Judai has to hold his breath under Solid Vision water. I guess trying to analyse that would drive you insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post

    And then in GX Judai has to hold his breath under Solid Vision water. I guess trying to analyse that would drive you insane.
    He didn't actually hold it, I think, just tried and and was told that it wasn't real water, at which point he stopped.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Blight
    He didn't actually hold it, I think, just tried and and was told that it wasn't real water, at which point he stopped. ]
    I believe he held his breath underwater for a minute, and nobody objected or questioned it at all.

    Besides, people in GX got beat up by Solid Vision all the time, even outside of Games of Darkness. It was all pretty light-hearted.

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    Well for the original there was this feeling of pressure Yugi felt against Osiris.
    But Osiris had magic on his side as all of the 3 gods so compared to normal monsters they had moments at least to make the enemy to feel pain. Like the time when Dark Marik took that fist from Obelisk directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blight View Post
    Ah, but what about cards before solid vision was invented? I'm guessing those wouldn't work with solid vision?
    Hmm... that's a good point. Although the cards had to work with the Duel Box system somehow, so either the Solid Vision system was designed in a way to be compatible with the chips of the previous system, or the data inside the chips had to be re-written?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blight View Post
    I mean, they're clearly holograms [...]
    Just because I'm a little nitpicky here, here's this quote from TV Tropes:

    Quote Originally Posted by TV Tropes
    Holograms have a variety of uses, among them being deception, creating a Holographic Terminal, a simulacrum of those long dead or artificial intelligences. The exact nature and properties of holograms vary between works, but for purposes of trope differentiation and practicality, the one unifying trait they share is intangibility. If they do have substance, they're Hard Light.

    What media commonly identifies as a hologram is not actually a hologram, it's a volumetric display. Actual holograms are 3D images on 2D surfaces. While this may seem like picking nits, there are perfectly valid reasons for the practice: "hologram" is easier to say than "volumetric display," and would the BBC allow Rimmer to walk around with "VD" plastered on his forehead?
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Hologram
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HardLight

    So you could say that

    Duel Box = Hologram
    Solid Vision = Hard Light

    if you go by these definitions. These weren't stated in the series material, though, it's just an idea from my part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    I didn't think it's ever explained how Solid Vision is solid though...
    They didn't, but maybe you could say they are actually Hard Light, giving them substance.

    As for why people get beaten up by Solid Vision creatures in GX, you could chalk that up to technology advances. Kaiba finished the prototype of the system during Duelist Kingdom and developed the main version of the Duel Disks (and the technology respectively) sometime between Duelist Kingdom and Battle City. The technology was still young at that point, which would explain the limited capability of the imageries.

    We don't know exactly when the academy was built, but a few years have passed for certain. Kaiba could have easily improved the technology to a level that the monsters were capable of hitting people. (But what was he thinking?! Wait, this is the guy who designed Death-T, nevermind.)

    The problem with Solid Vision and tangibility in general is that it contradicts the whole "monster materialization" issue with Judai or Aki, for example. I could see the plain Solid Vision monsters having some limitations, like not inflicting too much damage or not being able to interact with certain objects. After all, we haven't seen people using normal Solid Vision monsters for helping with housework (lawl) or some other activity. I guess Yubel's powers/Psychic power somehow interacts with the IC chip data and works with the data in a way to bypass this limit.

    Kaiba mentioned in the Pyramid of Light novel that the IC chips are essentially a black box - how Pegasus exactly handled the monster data is not known to anyone except him. (It's like every card is like an Evangelion core or an S2 engine... and looking at Paradox's future, they might as well be. XD)


    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    And then in GX Judai has to hold his breath under Solid Vision water. I guess trying to analyse that would drive you insane.
    But I would try anyway, you know that! :P

    We can assume that submarine guy (can't recall his name...) was used to the Field Spell, while Judai wasn't. And if you assume that Kaiba did develop the realism of the technology further, it wouldn't be hard to believe if a Field Spell (especially one like that) was realistic like that.

    Or you know, I'm going to pretend it's like LCL from Evangelion. Usually the liquid isn't shown around the characters except in certain situations (Shinji in episode 19, or Asuka in EoE). Maybe the bubbles in Judai's case were shown solely for us but they weren't actually there. In other words, artistic license.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis

    We can assume that submarine guy (can't recall his name...) was used to the Field Spell, while Judai wasn't. And if you assume that Kaiba did develop the realism of the technology further, it wouldn't be hard to believe if a Field Spell (especially one like that) was realistic like that.
    I'm not talking about Anacis, I'm talking about the Quiz cards guy. One card's effort was for Judai to hold his breath under Solid Vision water for a minute.
    Quote Originally Posted by DARKMASTER
    Well for the original there was this feeling of pressure Yugi felt against Osiris.
    But Osiris had magic on his side as all of the 3 gods so compared to normal monsters they had moments at least to make the enemy to feel pain. Like the time when Dark Marik took that fist from Obelisk directly.
    It's no surprise that the God Cards inflict actual damage, because they're more than just cards. And all of Dark Marik's duels were Games of Darkness anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    I'm not talking about Anacis, I'm talking about the Quiz cards guy. One card's effort was for Judai to hold his breath under Solid Vision water for a minute.
    Gah, my bad. I have only seen the episode with Anacis, so I assumed you were talking about that one. OTL

    Weeeell... okay, you got me on that one. I can think of these things:
    • Psychological welfare (see below)
    • "It's real if you believe it" (see above)
    • Built-in mechanism (again, I might not put it past Kaiba... XD)


    It's no surprise that the God Cards inflict actual damage, because they're more than just cards. And all of Dark Marik's duels were Games of Darkness anyway.
    Indeed.

    It makes me wonder for a moment, Pegasus went through a "My God What Have I Done" phrase after he created the God Cards. In GX, he was concerned about Frantz and mentioned how the fake copies of the God cards might have been used for sinful acts. And then he actually lets such technology applied to his game which can potentially endanger people. (The Duel Box technology did give Sugoroku a heart attack during Death-T...) No wonder Paradox wanted to kill him after that, lol.



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    Don't people watch Star Trek?

    It's basically the technology of the Holodeck on the Enterprise, made portable!

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    Hah XD so thats from where Kaiba had his idea XD.
    I mean after all he wanted to make games and Kaiba Land not some Holographic tech that has basically not much to do with games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    They can't really do any damage in the original and the manga by themselves (except for some moments of artistic licence), but I'd still say they can...blow stuff. Whip up some wind.
    Heh, I'm pretty sure that just the "winds of battle" that always show up to make Kaiba's trench coat flap around.

    Quote Originally Posted by DARKMASTER View Post
    Hah XD so thats from where Kaiba had his idea XD.
    I mean after all he wanted to make games and Kaiba Land not some Holographic tech that has basically not much to do with games.
    Actually, Kaiba said he got the idea from Yuugi's Game of Darkness (where he was able to bring the cards from Kaiba's favorite game to life).




    There was a time where I, as a kid, was rather obsessed with finding out if 3D holograms like those produced by the Solid Vision System were actually possible. The thing is that traditionally when people mention holograms in actual scientific vernacular, they're referring to laser produced stereo-grams. These are those little shiny stickers you see on things that change when you look at them from a different angle.
    http://www.hlhologram.com/images/hologram.jpg


    So really a hologram is just a 2D image that changes perspective depending on how you look at it (like 3D movies). This is sort of the concept that the Duel Box virtual reality system works on.

    Solid Vision on the other hand is completely different. It's called Solid Vision because it makes something called "Volumetric Images." In other words an image that appears to take up 3-dimensional space. You can actually walk around it or through it and see it from all directions. These kind of "Star Trek" variety holograms are very hard to produce. Human vision works based on light coming into your eye. All light comes from either a light source or a reflection off an object. The purpose of a volumetric image is to make you see something that isn't actually there.

    The first way to accomplish this is to reflect light off of something that it normally invisible. I've seen 3D image systems that reflect light off a fine mist or smoke in the air to create an image.

    The other way is to have an array of light sources. You know those clocks that display the time numbers in the air? They work by spinning around a panel with LEDs on them so fast you can't see it and lighting up each LED at just the right time to create a persistent image. This creates an image that floats in the air.

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    On the more obscure and cutting edge of things, I saw pictures once of a system that used lasers to create tiny balls of plasma in the air that gave off light. This could create a floating image as well, but since the hologram is actually made of plasma I'd hate to imagine anyone taking a "PLAYER ni DIRECT ATTACK!!!!"

    http://www.watblog.com/wp-content/up...c_display.jpeg
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    I gave up on volumetric holograms about the same time I gave up being a teenage CEO like Kaiba. (In other words when I grew up... LOL!) We're probably better off trying to tap directly into your brain like The Matrix then trying to make floating light sources.

    As for how the card data is scanned... It's called RFID (Radio Frequency Identification). You know those little anti-theft stickers that are inside books and DVDs and stuff you by from the store? That little sticker is actually a paper thin circuit that will resonate with a given frequency when pulsed by a scanner. Although, generally the range is pretty wide so you'd need an extra sensitive version to have a Duel Disk that could figure out with slot you just put the card in.

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    And looking how the cards are activate in the show on the Duel Rings or Duel Disks.
    They really look like they have something like that RFID in them.


    And now I remembered that exactly you, were the one that first brought up that Volumetric Images stuff and made a hole thread about it X).

    So this Solid Vision question was not been asked for the first time here.
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    5D's is, in all honesty, the only part of the series where Solid Vision makes any sense to me. I don't know for certain if this is 100% accurate, but it's become my assumption that Momentum's energy permeates the entire atmosphere of Neo Domino City, allowing for technologies like D-Wheels and Solid Vision to work anywhere by drawing off of and manipulating that energy.

    ...Though this does pose the question of how Yusei/Jack/Bommer's D-Wheels functioned out in Nazca. Perhaps Momentum had expanded to the point of becoming global? (Hell, if they can build a massive interstate-style bridge like the Daedalus Bridge in 6 months, I wouldn't be surprised.)


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    I think that Solid Vision is misinterpreted and it is not referring to the monster materialization but look a monster like a solid object and not like Star Wars holograms, that's why it is called solid vision, simple like that. Besides it includes battle effects like sounds, wind generator, etc... still I don't know how the smoke by monster explotion is made.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tri_Horned_Dragon View Post
    still I don't know how the smoke by monster explotion is made.
    Maybe it's just a hologram of smoke made by the Solid Vision during the explosion. XD I honestly don't remember any times off the top of my head where the smoke seemed to choke people, and the few times I do (like with Mai's duel) it was with someone doing additional special effects or what not.

    But I agree, the title Solid Vision is pretty self-explanatory. XD Just, the lack of explaining does make you wonder about it from a scientific/futuristic perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Gah, my bad. I have only seen the episode with Anacis, so I assumed you were talking about that one. OTL

    Weeeell... okay, you got me on that one. I can think of these things:
    • Psychological welfare (see below)
    • "It's real if you believe it" (see above)
    • Built-in mechanism (again, I might not put it past Kaiba... XD)
    • Or he randomly brought a real bucket of water with him.
    'Nuff said.


    It makes me wonder for a moment, Pegasus went through a "My God What Have I Done" phrase after he created the God Cards. In GX, he was concerned about Frantz and mentioned how the fake copies of the God cards might have been used for sinful acts. And then he actually lets such technology applied to his game which can potentially endanger people. (The Duel Box technology did give Sugoroku a heart attack during Death-T...) No wonder Paradox wanted to kill him after that, lol.
    Ever since he made those cards, he's been coming up with ways to stop them; all with worse and worse results. Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon? Created a shadow game. Wicked Gods? Drove Tenma insane, nearly killed people. Three Demons? We all know their track record. So finally he said, "Screw it, I'm tearing up Ra deeeeeeeeeese." That backfired too; because of the testing copy. He just can't win.

    On the topic, when was the last Solid Vision duel? Battles with Yliaster, the Crimson Dragon, Psychic Powers, cards of Darkness and the Dark Signers (jst to name a few) are real so... the Fortune Cup match of Bommer and Yusei? the Crash Town duel with Lotten. Solid Vision doesn't show up much anymore because of all the real duels. Lotten's lucky that one wasn't real, 'cause it ended with him getting shot in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon View Post
    Ever since he made those cards, he's been coming up with ways to stop them; all with worse and worse results.
    Actually, he already tried to stop them before. Right after he created them, he wanted to destroy the cards (he was holding the God Cards above a lighter in the manga), but he couldn't do it. It is possible that the Eye itself stopped him from doing so, since it had already brainwashed him before to have Duel Monsters created. Pegasus may have regained his senses after the God Cards' creation, hence the desire to burn them, but then the Eye got control back. Or it was the will of the Gods themselves - destroying the cards may have resulted in Pegasus getting punished.

    He then gave the cards to Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities to have them sealed away in three different locations, where their spirits came from. Manga-wise, he was already dead by Battle City, so he wouldn't know what went on anymore - in the anime, he may have been still under intensive care by the latest medical teams. He was hanging between life and death, after all.

    The movie novel describes him as working on newer and newer cards to surpass the three Egyptian Gods and reclaim the title Duel King.

    Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon? Created a shadow game.
    It wasn't the Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon itself. Anubis was awakened after Yugi completed the Millennium Puzzle. Anubis then found Pegasus and inserted the Pyramid of Light card, conjured by him, into Pegasus' suitcase. Pegasus only created Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon because Blue-Eyes was the only card with the potential to overcome the Gods. It was Anubis and his Pyramid of Light card which created the Game of Darkness. Pegasus was just a puppet (again), so to speak. In fact, everyone was saved because of Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon.

    Wicked Gods? Drove Tenma insane, nearly killed people.
    He never actually created them. He had only envisioned them, but never went through the process. It was Yakou who created them, who was already getting unstable from the sight of Pegasus' bloody duel table and the realization he had been killed. He locked himself up in his room and started his "Mystic Science Research", examining the magical properties of the Millennium Items (starting with the Eye) and the Egyptian God Cards. Then he used Pegasus' personal belongings (or "articles of the deceased", in the scanlations anyway. I don't know what it's called in the Viz translation) to create the Wicked Gods. The Wicked Gods consequently read Yakou's pain and intentions and possessed him.

    Three Demons? We all know their track record.
    Fair enough. But Pegasus never said anything about the Mythic Demons. Not even "Oh yeah, there are three rather lethal cards sealed under the Academia, sorry de~su". As I said back in the Favorite Divine Cards thread, Kagemaru could have had the cards developed behind Pegasus' back. And the Demons weren't created to overcome the God Cards, they were created (likely by Kagemaru) for his plan to achieve eternal youth.

    So finally he said, "Screw it, I'm tearing up Ra deeeeeeeeeese." That backfired too; because of the testing copy. He just can't win.
    The God Cards didn't exist by GX anymore, all they had was the testing copy. Of course, it's kind of Frige Logic worthy why Pegasus had kept such a thing in the first place, considering he wanted to destroy the God Cards beforehand. Although Pegasus is somewhat... scatterbrained in GX. I mean, he wants to go to the Dimension World after Judai and co. come back from there, and not everyone managed to came back. "I get to see Duel Monsters!" Okay, it's his artist side speaking and looking for inspiration, but it's a pretty dangerous world, you know. From a meta point of view, you could chalk it up to, well, GX being GX.

    On the topic, when was the last Solid Vision duel? Battles with Yliaster, the Crimson Dragon, Psychic Powers, cards of Darkness and the Dark Signers (jst to name a few) are real so... the Fortune Cup match of Bommer and Yusei? the Crash Town duel with Lotten. Solid Vision doesn't show up much anymore because of all the real duels. Lotten's lucky that one wasn't real, 'cause it ended with him getting shot in the head.
    Hmm, I like to think that Solid Vision itself helps the monsters to gain more presence in the real world. Although Pegasus noted that during his Game of Darkness with Yugi, the mystical aspects took over Kaiba's system. I haven't watched the entire Crash Town arc, but it would be expected that it was just a Solid Vision duel.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Actually, he already tried to stop them before. Right after he created them, he wanted to destroy the cards (he was holding the God Cards above a lighter in the manga), but he couldn't do it. It is possible that the Eye itself stopped him from doing so, since it had already brainwashed him before to have Duel Monsters created. Pegasus may have regained his senses after the God Cards' creation, hence the desire to burn them, but then the Eye got control back. Or it was the will of the Gods themselves - destroying the cards may have resulted in Pegasus getting punished.

    He then gave the cards to Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities to have them sealed away in three different locations, where their spirits came from. Manga-wise, he was already dead by Battle City, so he wouldn't know what went on anymore - in the anime, he may have been still under intensive care by the latest medical teams. He was hanging between life and death, after all.

    The movie novel describes him as working on newer and newer cards to surpass the three Egyptian Gods and reclaim the title Duel King.
    Yeah, that would make sense. Gods have a lot of power. Exactly why you shouldn't reincarnate them as cards.

    It wasn't the Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon itself. Anubis was awakened after Yugi completed the Millennium Puzzle. Anubis then found Pegasus and inserted the Pyramid of Light card, conjured by him, into Pegasus' suitcase. Pegasus only created Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon because Blue-Eyes was the only card with the potential to overcome the Gods. It was Anubis and his Pyramid of Light card which created the Game of Darkness. Pegasus was just a puppet (again), so to speak. In fact, everyone was saved because of Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon.
    Fair point. (By that way, I never understood how the Pyramid of Light effect was successful; a Trap Card removes from play 3 monsters, of of which is unaffected and the other two only temporarily affected by trap cards?

    He never actually created them. He had only envisioned them, but never went through the process. It was Yakou who created them, who was already getting unstable from the sight of Pegasus' bloody duel table and the realization he had been killed. He locked himself up in his room and started his "Mystic Science Research", examining the magical properties of the Millennium Items (starting with the Eye) and the Egyptian God Cards. Then he used Pegasus' personal belongings (or "articles of the deceased", in the scanlations anyway. I don't know what it's called in the Viz translation) to create the Wicked Gods. The Wicked Gods consequently read Yakou's pain and intentions and possessed him.
    You're close. Gekko describes that Pegasus had started the creation of the Wicked Gods; but he felt uneasy about finishing them, because they had a darker power than the Gods. Tenma did not create them; he only finished them (and gave Avatar the cheapest effect ever), and that was after they had started to affect him.

    Fair enough. But Pegasus never said anything about the Mythic Demons. Not even "Oh yeah, there are three rather lethal cards sealed under the Academia, sorry de~su". As I said back in the Favorite Divine Cards thread, Kagemaru could have had the cards developed behind Pegasus' back. And the Demons weren't created to overcome the God Cards, they were created (likely by Kagemaru) for his plan to achieve eternal youth.
    He likely learned from his mistakes. If people know about these things, they go after them. Not telling anyone (in theory) means nobody finds out. Though, by Season 3 of GX everybody knows about them, so...

    The God Cards didn't exist by GX anymore, all they had was the testing copy. Of course, it's kind of Fridge Logic worthy why Pegasus had kept such a thing in the first place, considering he wanted to destroy the God Cards beforehand. Although Pegasus is somewhat... scatterbrained in GX. I mean, he wants to go to the Dimension World after Judai and co. come back from there, and not everyone managed to came back. "I get to see Duel Monsters!" Okay, it's his artist side speaking and looking for inspiration, but it's a pretty dangerous world, you know. From a meta point of view, you could chalk it up to, well, GX being GX.
    He most likely wanted to Reverse-Engineer their power; create something that could contain the power of Gods. And he is kinda out of it by then; but traumatic injury close to one's brain can do that.

    Hmm, I like to think that Solid Vision itself helps the monsters to gain more presence in the real world. Although Pegasus noted that during his Game of Darkness with Yugi, the mystical aspects took over Kaiba's system. I haven't watched the entire Crash Town arc, but it would be expected that it was just a Solid Vision duel.
    Yeah, it was (because again, if it weren't, it would end with Lotten having his brains blown out). Taking over the system eh? Well, the Wicked Gods do seem to imply that's the case, so who knows?

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    Yeah, that would make sense. Gods have a lot of power. Exactly why you shouldn't reincarnate them as cards.
    He was brainwashed by the Eye, he pretty much created it against his actual will. Episode 85 implies quite well that Pegasus wasn't really himself to the point. I mean, he wanted to meet Cyndia again, and was willing to take the risk of the Millennium Eye's test. And then, next, he declares he's willing to sacrifice his soul to the devil in order to resurrect Duel Monsters. Yeah, right. That was the Eye playing Pegasus like its puppet.

    Fair point. (By that way, I never understood how the Pyramid of Light effect was successful; a Trap Card removes from play 3 monsters, of of which is unaffected and the other two only temporarily affected by trap cards?
    Anubis was created to awaken in the modern world to make Seto king, created by Aknadin by putting a jackal's heart into him and mummifying him. He also created the Pyramid of Light for Anubis. Seeing how Aknadin was the only person who deciphered the Millennium Tome, the item holding the knowledge to the Millennium Items which are capable of controlling Duel Monsters, the Pyramid of Light card could wield similar strength and abilities.

    You're close. Gekko describes that Pegasus had started the creation of the Wicked Gods; but he felt uneasy about finishing them, because they had a darker power than the Gods. Tenma did not create them; he only finished them (and gave Avatar the cheapest effect ever), and that was after they had started to affect him.
    Ahh. I was basing it on scanlations as I don't have the Viz manga. Thanks.

    He likely learned from his mistakes. If people know about these things, they go after them. Not telling anyone (in theory) means nobody finds out. Though, by Season 3 of GX everybody knows about them, so...
    He probably did, yes. And yeah, true that.

    He most likely wanted to Reverse-Engineer their power; create something that could contain the power of Gods. And he is kinda out of it by then; but traumatic injury close to one's brain can do that.
    He just said he would find inspiration as a card designer. I mean, he would get to be close to the very monsters he makes. What's not to squee over? And besides, what would he need the Power of the Gods for?

    He was screwed up big time because of Cyndia's death, to add. And even that's an understatement.


    Yeah, it was (because again, if it weren't, it would end with Lotten having his brains blown out). Taking over the system eh? Well, the Wicked Gods do seem to imply that's the case, so who knows?
    Yeah. The Duel Box's mechanics didn't apply any longer, they kept their monsters up with their own willpower. That's why Yugi was knocked out when Pegasus attacked his Feral Imp.

    Basically, Duel Monsters cards work because of the IC chip (which is practically a black box). Kaiba Corporation is permitted to the division which deals with scanning the information on the IC chips embedded in dueling cards and projecting their image. According to the movie novel, Pegasus deciphered the "magic words" hidden in Duel Monsters and converted them into IC chips. With the aid of the Millennium Eye, he basically converted mystical material into electronic information. This once again comes up in R, when Yakou explains to Kaiba how the data in Duel Monsters cards hold a piece of Pegasus' soul. Kaiba calls it nonsense, explaining that the data in Duel Monsters cards is like binary information only, no magical elements.

    However, we know that Duel Monsters possess a limited amount of conscience. What's saying they won't get out of control eventually? With Pegasus dead, the only man who knew all the secrets of the card game, containing the monster spirits properly would become more and more difficult. As the series progressed, the mystical elements became stronger and more dominant, which is why people became more and more devoted to the game.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    He was brainwashed by the Eye, he pretty much created it against his actual will. Episode 85 implies quite well that Pegasus wasn't really himself to the point. I mean, he wanted to meet Cyndia again, and was willing to take the risk of the Millennium Eye's test. And then, next, he declares he's willing to sacrifice his soul to the devil in order to resurrect Duel Monsters. Yeah, right. That was the Eye playing Pegasus like its puppet.
    In the Gospel of Truth, Takahashi said in his interview that "cards he create represents the way to get together objets who will resurrect Cyndia". So cards like Egyptian Gods was a way to reunite owners of Millenium Items to after take them and open the doors of the Underworld to resurrect Cyndia. After realizing his mistake, he decide to take away from Kaiba the KC to see on hologram, It's almost like see her living. He understand she can't resurrect but he has need to see her. The Solid Vision bring him he can't do by himself: see Cyndia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis
    Anubis was created to awaken in the modern world to make Seto king, created by Aknadin by putting a jackal's heart into him and mummifying him. He also created the Pyramid of Light for Anubis. Seeing how Aknadin was the only person who deciphered the Millennium Tome, the item holding the knowledge to the Millennium Items which are capable of controlling Duel Monsters, the Pyramid of Light card could wield similar strength and abilities.


    The Pyramid of Light card was for Anubis and Pegasus the most symbolic way to exclude definitively Gods Cards from existence. They aren't in the Graveyard, anywhere. In same time, Pegasus has created Return From a Different Dimension... If POL was unique and RFDD didn't exists, Pegasus could have really say he has suceded to do disappear Egyptians Gods like he want do it originally.

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    He probably did, yes. And yeah, true that.


    Perhaps Kagemaru has steal some knowlegde to Pegasus to create Demon cards? Maybe Pegasus has spent longtime before to success to create this copy, like Marik. I mean, Pegasus can't have create the copy in 2 minuts, he must have spend a lot of time. Maybe Kagemaru know his reasearches to create a copy of God Card and sucess to recreate in Demon cards the same energy than Gods contained.

    I wondering If Pegasus has really learned himself from his mistakes. He said himself Gods was his biggest mistake. However, he creates a copy. The logic would have been he never create another God Card, even a copy. Himself states Gods Card creation was a terrible mistake. And he recreates a copy version of Ra, he had chosen Ra the most powerful and also the most dangerous of Egyptians Gods. He knows what happened to Ghouls who manipulates the Fake Ra. He could choose Osiris or Obelisk who are, yes, very powerful but less than Ra to lead a fisrt experience. Why have create a copy If Gods cards had disappeared? What is his goal? Frantz states Ra is so powerful he has absolutly need of a Field Spell who control it. So even the Solid Vision was surpassed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis
    Yeah. The Duel Box's mechanics didn't apply any longer, they kept their monsters up with their own willpower. That's why Yugi was knocked out when Pegasus attacked his Feral Imp.

    Basically, Duel Monsters cards work because of the IC chip (which is practically a black box). Kaiba Corporation is permitted to the division which deals with scanning the information on the IC chips embedded in dueling cards and projecting their image. According to the movie novel, Pegasus deciphered the "magic words" hidden in Duel Monsters and converted them into IC chips. With the aid of the Millennium Eye, he basically converted mystical material into electronic information. This once again comes up in R, when Yakou explains to Kaiba how the data in Duel Monsters cards hold a piece of Pegasus' soul. Kaiba calls it nonsense, explaining that the data in Duel Monsters cards is like binary information only, no magical elements.

    However, we know that Duel Monsters possess a limited amount of conscience. What's saying they won't get out of control eventually? With Pegasus dead, the only man who knew all the secrets of the card game, containing the monster spirits properly would become more and more difficult. As the series progressed, the mystical elements became stronger and more dominant, which is why people became more and more devoted to the game.


    Yes, exactly. Pegasus staes only person with stronger willpower can bear it.

    You mean contanning only mad Spirits from the real world? Pegasus isn't alone, there also Yugi, he can also see spirits and containning them. But in GX Spirits appears in the real world.

    The Solid Vision can't prevent pain. And like Kaiba noticed, Duel Monsters is only informatic. The problem is the same with Psychics Duelists. Theirs minds are so powerful the monsters become real. So how their minds influence monsters and/or Solid Vision to become real? They feels pain like Aki who turns monsters to real. But If it was just this, all duelist will be Psychics Duelists. So PD can they have create via their mind a power similar to Gods who transcends Solid Vison and turns monsters to real?
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