Thread: Yu-Gi-Oh! GX makes the entire Yu-Gi-Oh! Universe a Paradox..

...I have not seen season 4 but...they actually try to say the cards created the universe???

Originally Posted by Indigo_Thunder

...I have not seen season 4 but...they actually try to say the cards created the universe???

Yeah. I don't wanna spoil it for you, but lemme warn you, Season 4 is depressing. It's stated that the first Duel Monsters card created the universe.

Not really; there is no paradox as far as I can tell. The fact that 'teh spice, teh universe, and teh everythingslolz' was created from a card was simply lost to time. And, to paraphrase a quote from Zombiegoatfinalboss, "It was only a matter of time untill Humans, gifted with inteligence, discovered exsistance's origins." IE, they [re]created what created them.

We're not born with innate knowledge of the universe, and do not have a genetic memory; we don't know how we were created for the most part, and they were playing off that.

Originally Posted by BrokenLevel

Not really; there is no paradox as far as I can tell. The fact that 'teh spice, teh universe, and teh everythingslolz' was created from a card was simply lost to time. And, to paraphrase a quote from Zombiegoatfinalboss, "It was only a matter of time untill Humans, gifted with inteligence, discovered exsistance's origins." IE, they [re]created what created them.

We're not born with innate knowledge of the universe, and do not have a genetic memory; we don't know how we were created for the most part, and they were playing off that.

That was obvious. I'm just confused at the way they "played it off."

BL's right, for the most part. First off, it's an anime, and they can do whatever they wanted to with the storyline, as it's fiction. Secondly, Darkness was supposedly always there, like a diety (if I recall correctly), so I could see that. Thirdly, that would explain why EVERYTHING in the Yugi-verse revolves around a Children's Card Game.

And no matter how ****ed up GX is, true YGO fans know that GX is a spin-off anyway and therefore has no effect on Kazuki Takahashi's canon.

Originally Posted by Babyface

That was obvious. I'm just confused at the way they "played it off."

You mean the general fact that 'lol, reality was born from a card'..? Just consider it another Eva ripoff; when Trueman beat people, they 'returned to their nihilistic origin' by turning into cards and sparklepoofing.

DUEL MONSTERS IS PEOPLE, CARDS ARE LCL, ETC, ETC.

So the Truemans are actually little girls?

Originally Posted by Austin_Jade

BL's right, for the most part. First off, it's an anime, and they can do whatever they wanted to with the storyline, as it's fiction. Secondly, Darkness was supposedly always there, like a diety (if I recall correctly), so I could see that. Thirdly, that would explain why EVERYTHING in the Yugi-verse revolves around a Children's Card Game.

I meant that by putting something like that in the series(Universe was born from Duel Monsters cards), they paradox'd the universe of the original series, no, everything in the Yu-Gi-Oh! universe, NOT the real universe lol. Your right, yes, they can do whatever they want as it is fiction, but if it is fiction that is a spin off of another piece of fiction, then it should'nt make a huge paradox that messes up the original source work. But as BL pointed out, I missed something that the goat man said, so my entire paradox thing is off. Sorry about that.

Originally Posted by BrokenLevel

You mean the general fact that 'lol, reality was born from a card'..? Just consider it another Eva ripoff; when Trueman beat people, they 'returned to their nihilistic origin' by turning into cards and sparklepoofing.

DUEL MONSTERS IS PEOPLE, CARDS ARE LCL, ETC, ETC.

LMAO I knew it. Yu-Gi-Oh! GX has EVA-itis.

-Half of the series started out pretty lightly, then went into depression in the other half.

-A character who the main character met that had an inexplicit(is this a word?), but still implied homosexual relationship towards.

-Every one losing their individuality.

I'm sure there's more.

No! You guys beat me to it! :C Just kidding.

I was kind of baffled when first I saw that scene... BrokenLevel is right with the fact that humans have no knowledge of the YGOverse's origins, as it has never been explored before in any of the media so far. But still, I'm starting to get confused over the meaning of "Darkness" and "Light" in this anime...The King in Episode 155 states that Darkness is good, Light [of Destruction] is not. However, Darkness seems to be the cause of all the bad stuff at the same time... (to my knowledge, Duel Monsters at first was described as "Evil monsters which reside in people's hearts, responsible for disasters, which were sealed into tablets in order to ward off evil"... Then the Doma season came with the whole Duel Monster world thing, with simply saying "Darkness of the heart" instead.)

Light of Destruction corrupts people, so does Darkness in people's hearts...WHAT? Unless the Light would refer to some kind of purity, with the LoD being something entirely different...

The King says that when the universe was born from nothing, it was divided into light and darkness. According to Darkness, when the two sides of the card were decided, the world was born...Hmm...

So the sides of the card are Light and Darkness, or was Light and Darkness born after the sides of the card?

Gah, I give up. I give up! *Mind Screw'd*

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As for more NGE references...

How about the name of the sidekick girls, Asuka and Rei? Except Rei's more like her Alternate Universe self, and Asuka is...err...less of a Tsundere?

Oh, and... Compare this screenshot with The End of Evangelion poster. Tasty!

Then there's the Black Moon Solar Eclipse Portal behind Darkness...

...when Trueman beat people, they 'returned to their nihilistic origin' by turning into cards and sparklepoofing.

If Trueman is the "Transition Guide Rei"... then... Giant...Naked...Trueman... DO NOT WANT THAT IMAGERY! D8 (Although I'm sure you wouldn't mind, BL. :P)

As TV Tropes Wiki's Wild Mass Guessing puts it, GX is just another Alternate Universe imagined by Shinji Ikari during Instrumentality...That entry cracks me up every time I read it.

Why is anyone taking what Darkness said literally? I always thought of it as a meataphor.

Like how one says existence is like the front and back of a coin. Darkness was speaking of the duality of existence and the dimensions. The real world and the world of duel monsters. The light, and the darkness. I don't think he literally meant a card board piece of paper was the beginning of all existence. Don't take what he says literally, he's just babbling like a stereotypical villain about how darkness has always existed and its now its time to finally take over.

Originally Posted by Darkness

To say, if we compare the world you live in with a card face, my world is a shadow or darkness. If light keeps residing in a heart of duelists who manipulate Duel Monsters, the repose of the front world may be an agreement, who knows?...But many hearts of duelists were dyed by darkness and flew into our world.

There you go. Clarification of his metaphor and intent. Seriously, GX is crazy but let's give it some credit. That's just absolutely absurd to try to push that onto it. It's not like it doesn't have enough bizarreness going for it already.

Hmm... that would make a lot of sense, Makoeyes! That explains why I couldn't get ahead if I were to take it literally... Because it might have been a metaphor, after all.

I kind of had problems interpreting the line you quoted, too. But it's clear to me now.

the whole gx anime was just to sell cards the story didn't matter
and darkness is a punk ass pu$$y bakura would murder his ass

Originally Posted by yugioh jk

the whole gx anime was just to sell cards the story didn't matter

The whole SERIES is about selling cards. 5Ds, DM, GX, you name it. The only thing that saved DM, was that Takahashi wrote the manga before all the hullaballoo about Card Games came into effect.

and darkness is a punk ass pu$$y bakura would murder his ass

I think pretty much any villain from the DM manga could prolly kill any villain from GX. But that's just because of the crappy writing (Though I liked Saiou as a villain, but...yeah...).

After reading other people's post, makes you wonder if 4Kids actually did the right thing FOR ONCE & didn't air Season 4 due to plot overlay...

Originally Posted by Austin_Jade

The whole SERIES is about selling cards. 5Ds, DM, GX, you name it. The only thing that saved DM, was that Takahashi wrote the manga before all the hullaballoo about Card Games came into effect.
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well the anime was just tv tokyo idea the whole card games was when takahashi sold the rights to make the card game ...i think that how it went anyway

I think that the series since it focused on dueling they created a beginning that is of dueling, so in other words I agree with Austin_Jade.

Meh, GX never cared about that messing up canon (or logic for that matter xD) thats why Kaiba never properly aged in GX.

Originally Posted by _LC_

Meh, GX never cared about that messing up canon (or logic for that matter xD) thats why Kaiba never properly aged in GX.

And they also never showed older yuugi's face.

Let's be real. No one would *want* to see an old man Kaiba. And really, I could see Kaiba being the type of person who ages extremely well. He'd only be in his late 20's/early 30's in GX, so it's not like he's middle aged or anything. XD

And the reason they couldn't show older Yugi was because they flat out couldn't think of a way to make him look older and badass without just making him look like Atem, which is hilarious. Because the illustrator of YGO R was able to the same thing on his own, in my opinion.

http://yumeoidaku.info/YGOR/Volume05/41.png

I think if they made older Yugi look like that, sans the puzzle, that'd be a very believable look for him as a young adult. He can still have his boyish looks yet look badass. I think that's one of my favorite looks for Yugi right there.