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    Default THEORY: Darkness was always meant to be the final villain of GX.

    Okay, so a lot of people complain that the Light of Ruin was always meant to be GX's big bad because of what was said durring Yubel's flashback by that king guy, and that Darkness was only the last villain because 5D's cut the series short.

    I was messing around in the GX section, when I came across this;

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mad Poet
    Darkness was actually a good choice for a final villain, and I'm pretty sure he was their intent from the beginning. 'That Goat Thing' and the references surrounding him form a straightline pointed at Sabattiel, the hermetic angel of the phase of Nigredo. For one, that makes it the second hermetic angel we've had (unless you want to count Martin's lulzy Martiel references, which I don't, but I giggle at anyway). The first was Amnael, and what card did he give Judai back in season one via his Emerald Tablet? That's right, kids! Philosopher's Stone - Sabattiel. Since the 'Philosopher's Stone' is the final goal of the final phase, that's some pretty blatant foreshadowing.
    If you add this to the fact that Saiou and the Light of Destructions were just add-ons to the series after Kazuki Takahashi decided that the movie idea he and NAS concocted was a bad idea. The Light of Destruction was never a planned thing, and I personally believe that it hurt GX in the long run more than it helped. Who knows how season two would have went if GX hadn't included the Light of Ruin arc. It could possibly be about Edo and his stolen D and Kaiser's fall from grace, like the Spirit Caller game suggests, or maybe Edo's story would have been tied in with the Yubel arc, or no Edo backstory at all.

    Judai's vision in his duel against Saiou makes me think that season 3 was the planned season two.

    I dunno. I really don't have much evidence or a large thesis thought up for this, yet buwahahaha but I can't help but feel that the Light of Ruin was nothing more than an add-on that everyone believed was the final villain. Anyway, discuss!



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    Default Re: THEORY: Darkness was always meant to be the final villain of GX.

    Poet can commendably spin all of GX to be a well-orchestrated, finely-tuned machine of competent writing and concise plot twists...

    ...But, all I see are people turning into dinosaurs and destroying attack satellites from space with Duel Monsters Spirits to save the world from a sentient space entity possessing a dirty hobo fortune teller 8U


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    Default Re: THEORY: Darkness was always meant to be the final villain of GX.

    Hey, what else are we going to discuss here? Judai's sexual preferences? That's not really my cup of tea. Meme me and die! XD



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    For the sake of argument, we'll grant all the symbolic/alchemic foreshadowing as a valid indication that Darkness was meant to be the final boss all along.

    We still have the very real problem that the story itself did not do a very good job of developing this or building up to this. At all. The sort of symbolic foreshadowing that TheMadPoet was talking about is a sort of "bilingual bonus", and unless you speak the 'language' of Medieval/Renaissance European Alchemy, you're not going to notice this. And I think it's a fairly safe assumption to make that the vast majority of the yugioh fanbase has barely any awareness of alchemy beyond 'turning lead to gold', and that in the literal sense, not the metaphorical obtainement of enlightenment and immortality. If you don't speak that second language, you're not going to catch any of that and you're probably going to be pretty confused as to why the first member of the first season's Quirky Miniboss Squad is suddenly far more powerful and important than his first appearence suggested.

    So, while those sorts of references can be nice easter eggs for the more dedicated fans, it's scarecly a sign of good planning or writing for the writers to use that as the basis of the show, rather than characterization and plotting.

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    Default Re: THEORY: Darkness was always meant to be the final villain of GX.

    unless you speak the 'language' of Medieval/Renaissance European Alchemy,
    Or claim to, without ever citing a single source.





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    Want a better crack theory? Assuming that the Tenor Trio and their "Evolution is bad 8[" stand-point is going to be a big part of Season 3 (or beyond) in 5D's, Darkness is either going to come back or at some point someone from 5D's travels back in time and becomes Darkness in a bid to stop Zero Reverse from ever happening.

    I cite Jack and Honest sharing a VA as proof of this theory.


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    Default Re: THEORY: Darkness was always meant to be the final villain of GX.

    Yeah, might have been, might not. But really, I doubt it, it just looks stupid. Even if it was, that just makes GX a bad show, and says somethign really negative about the creators.

    I mean, 8 year old kids aren't going to get special Poet-concocted-or-realized "hints" involving obscure alchemy topics. Clearly, making the show in such a "language" is just stupid, hardly anyone will get it.

    More straightforwardly than Poet's supposed confirmation of the theory due to appearance of things that somehow look like figures in alchemy or something I don't know much about, both the Yubel and Saiou arc's made it seem like Light is supposed to be the big enemy. Obviously, the point made by the show is that boht are supposedly bad, and I like that. But still, it would make more sense, you know? I think there really should've been five arcs if we want a complete plot, the fourth with Darkness as baddy and fifth with Light.

    Its just me, but I just think the whole thing of "you're fighting Light of Destruction all throughout life" is not satisfactory for the sake that, you know, Light got more attention as a baddie, and when Darkness is the last baddie its like "...what? Where did that come from? That was a crap ending."

    All in all, GX would be infinitely better if it weren't for the utter crap that is the ending... (and then there was Yugi...)
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    Do you realize how much better the final battle would have been if the Light of Ruin was the final boss? Darkness was introduced as a mook while the Light of Ruin was shown to be the man behind the man from the start. Darkness showed up again in season 2, still serving only as Fubuki's way to help Ryo, and he was still unimportant. Darkness went without any mention in season 3 while the Light of Ruin showed up again in season 3 as the reason behind Yubel's insanity. I missed the part about how everything simply turned out to be all part of Darkness' plan, but I still believe the Light of Ruin certainly deserved to be the true big bad. Like Altair said, the Light of Ruin got so much attention only for Darkness to be the final villain, and the Light of Ruin never got another mention.


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    Default Re: THEORY: Darkness was always meant to be the final villain of GX.

    mean, 8 year old kids aren't going to get special Poet-concocted-or-realized "hints" involving obscure alchemy topics. Clearly, making the show in such a "language" is just stupid, hardly anyone will get it.
    People who like GX are smart people.

    Confirmed.

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    Default Re: THEORY: Darkness was always meant to be the final villain of GX.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groun_Mole View Post
    People who like GX are smart people.

    Confirmed.
    It's not so much a question of smart, more of a question of spending consistently every minute of your spare time studying alchemy, which is notably interesting, but also notably useless in the modern world aside from a nerdy hobby.

    I know lots about foreign affairs, that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't isn't as smart as me, its just that that's how I waste my time sometimes.

    (and half the time, especially with things like alchemy and mythology and even history, there are so many different versions of the same thing, so when you finally figure out what someone vaguely referenced, you're like "....what?")

    And as Elly said, the theory is based on -claiming- to. To further that, let me point out that the whole thing about the alchemy theory is based solely around the name Sabatiel and Martin's supposed resemblence to some other "-el" figure. Is there a chance for misinterpretation here? I think so.

    Let's face it: GX's ending was just utter fail. Even if supposedly there was some final scheme for Darkness to be the final enemy, that would make it even worse, judging from the lack of importance Darkness had in the main plot. It would be just stupid, random, and frankly unprofessional, not admirable and clever as Poet professes.

    I admire Poet in a lot of things, but frankly, like many of his other over-extrapolations, this theory goes down a road of "cause I said the last reason" which ends up based solely on guesses and rather funny interpretations, and its believability is not even substantial. At some point, when someone is your aunt's uncle's cousin's best friend's penpal's former lover's dog, you mean very little, especially if half of those links are interpretations and guesses.

    I barely overexaggerate. Supposedly, the link is Darkness->somehow resembles some hermetic angel from Nigredo (interpretation here, and a guess that it was actually intended)->Sabbatiel's stone->Martin somehow resembling Martiel (interpretation)-> The show is actually about alchemy (guess, because this ignores all hte other random things they pulled, you can argue that the show was even based on Caucasian folklore if you want, because it just randomly draws references here and there without any coordination) ->Darkness is more important (interpretation and guess)->Darkness is the final enemy completely ignoring Light as a filler. How'd you get that? Is Light some how ignored now? Is this supposed to make the show somehow better? I'm sorry, I don't see the logic.

    And if it was, it has the opposite implacation than what Poet says (Poet saying that it makes the show a good show)- it proves even more that the creators didn't have a clue what they were doing in the fourth season, and by extension, the whole show.
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