Thread: Whats the full story behind the Abandoned Dorm?

I don't recall the entire story myself, but I recall something about Banner/Daitokuji being in charge of experiments in Dark Duels in that dorm... And some how Yusuke and Fubuki were part of it. Eventually getting tricked into becoming 'sacrifices', though apparently Yusuke did it to himself because he was all Emo. And Fubuki got drug in. Not sure if they ever gave a full run down on what happened, or if they ever stated if any of the other lost students returned other then Fubuki...

Yusuke's ritual has nothing to do with Daitokuji. The latter even tells Judai that he and Kagemaru knew nothing of the powers of Darkness. Remember, the dorm was already abandoned when Yusuke tried to summon Darkness.

O'Brien randomly tells us in episode 160 that all the other students returned after Judai beat Kagemaru.

Someone on the YGO wiki collected all the info about that he could and put in on the article's talk page. I added it all to the article. Don't know if it will help, but here it is.

http://www.yugioh.wikia.com/Abandoned_Dorm

You all forget the season 4 episode where jerk Judai interrogates Daitokuji's soul in the man's WC.

WARNING: Really Long Post.


Though the other students returned (which always bothered me, being so damn off screen) we can assume that whatever trials they were put through in the place Daitokuji sent them, most if not all of them must have lost, given how Fubuki describes his experience as borrowing the power of Darkness's Mask and 'surviving.' (Clearly from Fubuki's point of view, even though they came back later, 'losing' was something you really didn't want to do.) [159]

However episodes 27 and 28 basically suggest to us that the 'different dimension' the students were sent to was the same dimension the gravekeerper's inhabit. Which itself bears resemblance to the dimension in season 3 where they first met Yubel and dealt with all the zombie students. (You could even assume that it is not only the same dimension, but some how more closely tied to our original dimension than the other 12 (11? 10?), which is why it is accessed more easily (see: Yubel bringing half the school with it when it takes Judai to said dimension), and in fact seems to have an entrance on the island - The gravekeeper's temple.

…Where there in fact seems to be a duplicate of the Gravekeeper's pendant that Judai and Fubuki got, only this one glows green?!

As for Kagemaru and the abandoned dorm, I always assumed that with all the research they had been putting into the Millenium Items there, that originally Kagemaru had attempted to recreate them, thus the existence of the Dark Items and the 'sacrificing' of students. (Although with DA's population, they clearly couldn't manage 99.)

Actually, if you look while Kunisaki is investigating the missing students (episode22), he pulls up a total of 7 profiles, including Fubuki's. If we assume these are the missing students… 7 might just be enough to create one Dark Item per student? But then Fubuki wasn't sacrificed, and in fact, was recruited to become one the Seven Stars. So were the sacrifices to find pawns for the Seven Stars, or for the Dark Items? Or for something else?

In any case, it appears that Darkness's "Dark Item", aka the Pendant, was actually not a Dark Item like the rest. For one thing, it was only half a pendant, two, we know where he got it - from the Gravekeeper's Chief, three, the only people to call it an actual "Dark Item" are Judai's friends (and how would they know to distinguish one piece of occult nonsense from the rest) and Fubuki, just having awoken from his coma, where clearly his and Darkness's memories are still conflicting. (See how he expresses some knowledge of Camula when describing her to Judai and Asuka, yet 8 episodes later, we see that he's suffered so much trauma from what happened, not only can he -not remember anything- he's become mostly mute with shock)

So if we remove the pendant from the listing, that leaves us with, conveniently, just seven Dark Items. Remember that Kagemaru had his ring! ...Which seemed in fact to be able to channel the spirits of Duel Monsters to grant him youth - his main purpose for creating this whole scheme! Could it be that once he found the vessel and medium he need (His Dark Item and Judai's ability to communicate with spirits) he just gave the leftover items to his Seven Stars?

…Wait a minute, Amnael's "Dark Item" is also the Emerald Tablet, another thing that is unlikely to be a part of the batch that Kagemaru possibly cooked up! So, okay, that leaves us with only six "real" Dark Items: the Choker, the Gauntlet, the Eyepatch, the Circlet, the Mask, and the Ring.

And six profiles of missing students, excluding Fubuki. Maybe the other students really were used for creating the Dark Items? (If Kagemaru had planned to re-create the Millenium Items using 7 students lives, it makes sense. In fact he could have been trying to create 8 all along, since Fujiwara was also a student at the dorm, but he had to go and "kill" himself before Kagemaru and Daitokuji had a chance!) Which means that Darkness was probably the last addition to the team, a matter of "Hey, this one student we tried to sacrifice, he put on this mask and became all evil and his power level is over 9,000 maybe we should use him as one of our assassins and fire that Kaibaman guy!" (I have a pet theory that Kaibaman was originally meant to be one of the Seven Stars in the original story layout, though in this theory he replaced the Dark Scorpions)

If the students were the catalyst for the items, consider this: Kagemaru supposedly released them all after his defeat. You know what also stopped making appearances not long after Kagemaru's defeat? That's right - the Darkness Items! (Albeit it took until after Ryo graduated. Maybe that was just the span of time Kagemaru was in the hospital after Judai -broke his back-! Maybe he had to recover first before releasing the students?)

...Phew…

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Remember, the dorm was already abandoned when Yusuke tried to summon Darkness.

Actually, it wasn't. In Fubuki's flashback of Fujiwara, one of Fujiwara's pictures (I assume, since he's the photo guy) has Fubuki and Fujiwara in front of the Dormitory, clearly before it is abandoned.

And in regards to OP:
Yes. What happened first was that Fujiwara couldn't take the pain of forgetting and being forgotten anymore, so he went down to the basement (which was presumably built in a ritual like manner) and did a ritual to give himself up to Darkness. Before he disappeared completely, he gave the Darkness Mask to Fubuki.

After that (perhaps very soon after, since Fubuki still had the Darkness Mask on his perosn) Daitokuji lured the students down to the basement and started them on doing test duels, during which, the students were consumed by the evil blob-y things and taken to "A nightmare-ish world" (to quote Fubuki.)

After that (the students disappeared), the dorm was closed and become forbidden to enter. Despite that, the school apparently spread information that the students were doing research abroad, while denying that any students had disappeared in the dorm.

...I've always questioned why Fujiwara and Fubuki were placed in the Dorm while Ryo was not. Since they were all 'geniuses' by the school's standards. The only possible explanation I've had for that, is that Daitokuji choose students with high Spiritual potential. Fujiwara could see and talk to Duel Spirits (or at least Honest), as for Fubuki, we don't know. We've never seen him talk to Duel Spirits, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the potential to do so someday. Ryo definitely seems to be the mostly spiritually 'immune' of the three of them. Of course, Hayato eventually was able to hear Duel Spirits too, and he was not in the special dorm, but then he failed a grade and was an Osiris Red student to begin with.
But I've also seen the explanation that Ryo was a Dorm student there too, and simply escaped being sacrificed by a very lucky coincidence. (Being sick that day, being back home visiting Sho, being held late by something…)

^ WAAY too much fan theory there. No matter how logicaly good it sounds its still mostly if not all FAN THEORY.
Just call it plot holes and be done with it .

>_<

Is it all really 'fan theory'? We know the following is true by way of the show itself:

• There is a picture of Fubuki and Fujiwara in front of the dorm before it is abandoned.
• Kunisaki finds 7 profiles of students who are "studying abroad."
• Darkness!Fubuki at some point dueled the Grave Keeper Chief, and won, earning half of the pendant.
• Asuka remarks the world Yubel sent them to is similar to the Gravekeeper's World
• We never see the Dark Items after season 1.
• Kagemaru 'released' the other students who were victims of the dorm.
• There are remnants of the temple the Grave Keepers are guarding in the real DA.
• Daitokuji's Dark Item is called the Emerald Tablet. Our own history has legends of an object called the Emerald Tablet.
• The Seven Stars plus Kagemaru, all have "items" with the Udjat on them. Six of them are constructed in a very similar manner. (Again, the pendant and the book don't resemble the others as much.)
• Fubuki was controlled by Darkness when Daitokuji and Kagemaru 'used him' as one of the Seven Stars.

The rest is conjecture, true, but what makes me forbidden from speculating about the show I love? And what's with all the hate that "GX can't make sense" because they teach how to play card games in High School? XP

Did someone forget that a 16 year old Seto Kaiba developed intelligent, physical hologram technology that was small enough to fit inside a purse in 1996?!

Originally Posted by cheesedude

Yusuke's ritual has nothing to do with Daitokuji. The latter even tells Judai that he and Kagemaru knew nothing of the powers of Darkness. Remember, the dorm was already abandoned when Yusuke tried to summon Darkness.

Considering how utterly confusing the explanations are in GX, even when they conform to each other (which is rare enough), that could easily be missed. Besides, then you'd have to assume that Daitokuji didn't lie about not knowing, or simply forget.

O'Brien randomly tells us in episode 160 that all the other students returned after Judai beat Kagemaru.

I don't know what's worse; this random statement, or the "foreshadowing" from Aki's textbook.

Someone on the YGO wiki collected all the info about that he could and put in on the article's talk page. I added it all to the article. Don't know if it will help, but here it is.

I saw it. and it does make a lot of sense, but a few things are still out of place. Those 'angry spirits' I presume are those of the students?

Well it's just we're looking for the facts, and the facts are that the Abandoned Dorm subplot was literally, abandoned and not fleshed out.

The show never pieced all those plot points together, or even gave them adequate focus to make it all make sense. In hindsight we can do that now by guessing and theorizing but that's not exactly what the show explicitly told us in terms of its storytelling.

This is why I kind of have an issue with "fanon." These facts are supposed to be told in the show ... not by the fans' theories. This to me is just a sign of overall bad story writing.

Originally Posted by DTheAntihero

...This to me is just a sign of overall bad story writing.

Well, I have to disagree with you there, but that is just my opinion.

Most of my favorite games and stories are the ones where the framework is there, and enough character motivation is present that you can picture the rest of the story in your head.

But I understand if it is not a popular opinion. After all, of the famous Phantasy Star series of games, III is my favorite, and many consider it to be the most shallow.

(I also liked the -first- Fullmetal Alchemist anime over the manga and Brotherhood, so there. ^w^)

But while I wrote that huge page and a half up there, I have to agree completely with Mako, the Abandoned Dorm subplot was abandoned. And I thought it was a bit of a shame, even if I'm overall 'okay' with the info we did get.

(Where I find it is really tragic is in the manga, where the dorm is still a wreck, yet with no Daitokuji, no Kagemaru, no Darkness!Fubuki and no Fujiwara, we are told literally nothing about it, except that it is 'abandoned.')

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For fun, here is an ACTUAL plothole:

Darkness!Fubuki shows up in episode 29. He loses, Darkness's soul gets sealed in a card, leaving just Fubuki in Darkness's clothes.

Season 2, episode 89, Fubuki challenges Hell Kaiser to a duel. He deliberately changes into Darkness's (left over) costume and fights him by the volcano. Darkness takes him over, loses again, disappears, leaving Fubuki with the costume.

Season 4, episode 159 Fubuki accepts Judai's duel challenge to regain his memories. He is wearing his Obelisk Blue uniform. He pulls out Darkness's card, gets taken over by Darkness, all of the sudden, he is wearing Darkness's clothes like some kind of bizarre Magical Girl transformation sequence. He loses, and he's back to his normal clothes.

No Explanation.

Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon

Considering how utterly confusing the explanations are in GX, even when they conform to each other (which is rare enough), that could easily be missed. Besides, then you'd have to assume that Daitokuji didn't lie about not knowing, or simply forget.

True, it could be missed. But it was stated. Daitokuji had zero reason to lie to Judai about that though, so I think it probably the truth.

Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon

I saw it. and it does make a lot of sense, but a few things are still out of place. Those 'angry spirits' I presume are those of the students?

To be honest, I never gave who the angry spirits were any thought whatsoever. That seems plausible though.

Originally Posted by natsuari

Well, I have to disagree with you there, but that is just my opinion.

Most of my favorite games and stories are the ones where the framework is there, and enough character motivation is present that you can picture the rest of the story in your head.

This is more or less exactly what my response would have been.

....I'm just speechless on the FMA: Brotherhood/manga statement.

You lost me there.

Hahah! I said it was an unpopular opinion. I hated the movie though, aside from Gypsy!Scar x Gypsy!Lust in the ending.

No hard feelings?

Originally Posted by cheesedude

To be honest, I never gave who the angry spirits were any thought whatsoever. That seems plausible though.

I'm not even sure what the wiki means about "angry spirits"? Does it mean black globby things? Because those were the same things that took Fubuki and presumably the other students, so I don't see how it can be 'the angry spirits of the students.' Although that part when they 'taken over' Titan is pretty weird, I don't know what's going on there.

Okay, you guys got me, something about the abandoned dorm I have no speculations or ideas on.

Originally Posted by natsuari

I'm not even sure what the wiki means about "angry spirits"? Does it mean black globby things? Because those were the same things that took Fubuki and presumably the other students, so I don't see how it can be 'the angry spirits of the students.' Although that part when they 'taken over' Titan is pretty weird, I don't know what's going on there.

Okay, you guys got me, something about the abandoned dorm I have no speculations or ideas on.

Yeah, that's what I meant by angry spirits. May need to think about rewording that. Doesn't help that they never were given names.

The only thing we really know if that they can possess people, and apparently kill them, since Titan would have died if Kagemaru hadn't saved him. And that they were highly offended by fake Games of Darkness. I always thought they could be the aftereffects of Fujiwara's ritual-suicide.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

The show never pieced all those plot points together, or even gave them adequate focus to make it all make sense. In hindsight we can do that now by guessing and theorizing but that's not exactly what the show explicitly told us in terms of its storytelling.

In some cases, writers deliberately do that to inspire the fans to fill in the gaps with whatevery they come up with. That way they can focus on other parts of the plot, and the fans come up with ana answer they like.

Originally Posted by natsuari

I'm not even sure what the wiki means about "angry spirits"? Does it mean black globby things? Because those were the same things that took Fubuki and presumably the other students, so I don't see how it can be 'the angry spirits of the students.' Although that part when they 'taken over' Titan is pretty weird, I don't know what's going on there.

Yeah, I really can't figure out what they're supposed to be at all.

Originally Posted by cheesedude

The only thing we really know if that they can possess people, and apparently kill them, since Titan would have died if Kagemaru hadn't saved him. And that they were highly offended by fake Games of Darkness. I always thought they could be the aftereffects of Fujiwara's ritual-suicide.

Maybe souls Darkness had previously consumed?

Here's something that makes even LESS sense.

Titan tells Asuka that he was pulled into the World of Darkness after he was consumed. Which is where he met Kagemaru. Who is unrelated to Darkness. Yet he was in Darkness' dimension that hadn't yet been extrapolated upon.

...What?

Originally Posted by cheesedude

Here's something that makes even LESS sense.

Titan tells Asuka that he was pulled into the World of Darkness after he was consumed. Which is where he met Kagemaru. Who is unrelated to Darkness. Yet he was in Darkness' dimension that hadn't yet been extrapolated upon.

...What?

The origins/backstory of Haou changes no less than four times in the same arc of GX. I don't honestly believe they had any planned story structure whatsoever. xD

I can totally go with the "remnants of Fujiwara's ritual/Darkness" theory.

Originally Posted by cheesedude

Here's something that makes even LESS sense.

Titan tells Asuka that he was pulled into the World of Darkness after he was consumed. Which is where he met Kagemaru. Who is unrelated to Darkness. Yet he was in Darkness' dimension that hadn't yet been extrapolated upon.

...What?

Well, he was pulled in by the same things that took Fubuki and the other students. If Daitokuji had some control over them (at least enough to call them and keep them from eating him too) then maybe he assisted Kagemaru in getting ahold of Titan.

Originally Posted by Hisui

The origins/backstory of Haou changes no less than four times in the same arc of GX. I don't honestly believe they had any planned story structure whatsoever. xD

Okay, I hate derailing threads, but I'm going to call you on that one.

Originally Posted by natsuari

Okay, I hate derailing threads, but I'm going to call you on that one.

Sorry I'm a few days late, I missed your post. ^^; But since you asked, I realized it a week or two ago talking to someone about that season. Essentially the inconsistencies start more or less immediately once they arrive in Dark World.

Judai duels Birdman shortly after they enter the Dark World dimension where Birdman talks about the Supreme King as an already-existing individual who rules that dimension. Suggesting that there was a Supreme King before Judai and co. ever came to that dimension and that he was a dictator and a tyrant.

Haou #1: An actual, existing character who the spirits are aware of and fear as the dictator responsible for the current world order.

Eventually Judai then duels Brron who is seeking to revive the Supreme King. So there was an existing Supreme King (again before Judai ever arrived at the Dark World) and Brron wants him back. Okay, this is sort of at odds with what Birdman said about stopping the Supreme King, but I guess they're stopping his resurrection. This is reinforced when Judai is possessed by the Supreme King who appears in his mind as a silhouette of a boy who is not Judai with curly hair before becoming the armored body.

Haou #2: The spirit of a curly-haired boy who may or may not be dead.

Then the Supreme King arc happens and the curly-haired boy never appears or gets referenced ever again. The Supreme King somehow becomes (and always was despite the fact the silhouette was very pointedly not Judai) Judai himself despite the fact that the existence of the Supreme King pre-dates Judai coming there at all. Misawa rationalizes the Supreme King as the 'dark side' of Judai's personality which he repressed. The fact this contradicts everything we've been told or shown before is never brought up.

Haou #3: Judai's repressed bad thoughts and SRSness manifesting as an alternate personality.

But that isn't enough so the real Supreme King backstory is introduced when Judai duels Yubel as we discover it's actually Judai's past life from another dimension who was a perfectly nice young boy that wasn't evil at all and never lived in the Dark World so we have no idea why he was a sociopathic jerk now or why this entire dimension already knew all about him.

Haou #4: Judai's alien past life from another dimension with a completely different personality.

None of these interpretations of Haou can be reconciled with any of the others. He's either an existing king Birdman is afraid of, a dead king Brron is trying to resurrect with curly hair, Judai's evil mental illness, or Judai's past self from another world acting completely out of character for no reason.

All I can conclude is that GX was, literally, making it all up as they went along from week to week.

I have to say, Hisui's point is pretty damning. I mean, wow. It's gonna take a lot of imaginary alchemy references to tie up that one.