Thread: An Explanation for Bobasa/Hassan/Shadi? On my Janime?

Oh, you posted your theory! <3

This sounds pretty good to me, based on what I've read about Shadi. Considering he was coincidentally there when Pegasus visited Egypt (or Pegasus was the one there coincidentally, which is more likely in my opinion... or that Millennium Ring thief) or when Marik was visiting the outside world with Ishizu.

Considering that Shadi's top mission was assembling the Items in one place, possibly in order to get the Pharaoh to the Afterlife, the interference with Bakura's Dark RPG would make sense. He was perhaps the one Bakura didn't prepare for as he killed him off 5 years before the series (whether this is referring to 5 years from present day or 5 years prior the beginning of the series, I still don't know) and probably didn't expect him to pop up again. Thus this allowed Shadi to do what he wanted to do. Except, you'd have to ask how can dead people interfere with the real world. Unless he's, uh, "special"?

That's all that comes to my mind for now, I think.

And you know Yugioh is Evangelion. >:] *flees*

Originally Posted by Arynis

This sounds pretty good to me, based on what I've read about Shadi. Considering he was coincidentally there when Pegasus visited Egypt (or Pegasus was the one there coincidentally, which is more likely in my opinion... or that Millennium Ring thief) or when Marik was visiting the outside world with Ishizu.

Considering that Shadi's top mission was assembling the Items in one place, possibly in order to get the Pharaoh to the Afterlife, the interference with Bakura's Dark RPG would make sense. He was perhaps the one Bakura didn't prepare for as he killed him off 5 years before the series (whether this is referring to 5 years from present day or 5 years prior the beginning of the series, I still don't know) and probably didn't expect him to pop up again. Thus this allowed Shadi to do what he wanted to do. Except, you'd have to ask how can dead people interfere with the real world. Unless he's, uh, "special"?

That's all that comes to my mind for now, I think.

And you know Yugioh is Evangelion. >:] *flees*

I think that the idea that Bakura killed Shadi five years before (it would be five years before Battle City) is misleading. What Bakura actually says is "Five years ago, he was already..." He's saying that Shadi was dead five years ago, not that he died five years ago. The five year date only comes from when Marik met Shadi. I think Shadi's been dead for a long, long time.

Considering this is Yugioh, a ghost being able to interact with the real world is the least of our problems. The only time he ever looks ghost-like in the manga is when the temple is collapsing in the last chapter. In the anime, he just teleports everywhere (making it a lot less subtle).

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

I think that the idea that Bakura killed Shadi five years before (it would be five years before Battle City) is misleading. What Bakura actually says is "Five years ago, he was already..." He's saying that Shadi was dead five years ago, not that he died five years ago. The five year date only comes from when Marik met Shadi. I think Shadi's been dead for a long, long time.

Considering this is Yugioh, a ghost being able to interact with the real world is the least of our problems. The only time he ever looks ghost-like in the manga is when the temple is collapsing in the last chapter. In the anime, he just teleports everywhere (making it a lot less subtle).

Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Although that pretty much shoots down my previous theory, heh.

Indeed. However, if ghosts can interact with the real world, how come not every dead person is capable of it? Maybe majority of them just rest in peace, and only a few stay due to Destiny Says So? Although Shadi talked about the Millennium Puzzle's powers being "the same powers as his bloodline". That could be anything, though. When Yugi and his group arrive to the underground temple, the guards hand over the Scales and the Key. Maybe Shadi had a physical form to interact with the real world which eventually faded away?

For some reason, I once assumed Shadi was the spirit of the Tablet of the Pharaoh's Memories. But that's kind of silly, considering that he stated he's from a family of gravekeepers. (If I remember correctly...)

Originally Posted by Arynis

Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Although that pretty much shoots down my previous theory, heh.

Indeed. However, if ghosts can interact with the real world, how come not every dead person is capable of it? Maybe majority of them just rest in peace, and only a few stay due to Destiny Says So? Although Shadi talked about the Millennium Puzzle's powers being "the same powers as his bloodline". That could be anything, though. When Yugi and his group arrive to the underground temple, the guards hand over the Scales and the Key. Maybe Shadi had a physical form to interact with the real world which eventually faded away?

For some reason, I once assumed Shadi was the spirit of the Tablet of the Pharaoh's Memories. But that's kind of silly, considering that he stated he's from a family of gravekeepers. (If I remember correctly...)

Well, I'm pretty sure ghosts don't just wander around, even in this series. Shadi appears to have been far more than a simple human. I think that Shadi's physical form may have been destroyed by Zork in the Dark R.P.G., before the Ceremonial Battle. That would fit with the idea that he interfered with it in the manga as well as the anime.

It's not that outlandish an assumption; I'm a sure a lot of people believed that before the series was finished. Come to think of it, even after it's finished it's still possible. The spirit of the Tablet of the Pharaoh's Memories could also be from the Tomb Guardians.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

Well, I'm pretty sure ghosts don't just wander around, even in this series. Shadi appears to have been far more than a simple human. I think that Shadi's physical form may have been destroyed by Zork in the Dark R.P.G., before the Ceremonial Battle. That would fit with the idea that he interfered with it in the manga as well as the anime.

It's not that outlandish an assumption; I'm a sure a lot of people believed that before the series was finished. Come to think of it, even after it's finished it's still possible. The spirit of the Tablet of the Pharaoh's Memories could also be from the Tomb Guardians.

Yeah, Shadi's physical form getting destroyed by Zork makes sense. I thought of that possibility actually, but I wasn't sure. And agreed on the "more than human" part as well.

Hmm. Yep. We don't know much about the Tomb Guardians, do we? Maybe Shadi was a chosen individual who was sealed inside the Tablet? Because I don't see how someone's soul would get inside the Tablet during the time the Items were made. And think about it, creating the Items required 99 human sacrifices. Perhaps Shadi is the 100th this way?

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But...
I've been really interested in this topic for some time.....

My theory was that Shadi saying that he was from a gravekeeper's family was Takahashi-sensei's blunder... After all, Shadi's first appearance was still in the front part of the manga, probably before Mr. Takahashi planned it all out.

I'm just thinking that Shadi's true form is indeed Hasan, only that Hasan's true powers can be unlocked when the seven Millennium items are assmebled on the tablet and a Bobasa-like figure shines to death.

Then that would make Bobasa's family some strange type of people.

By the way, when does Bakura say that Shadi was dead 5 years ago? I do remember Bakura muttering to himself that he recognizes Shadi's painting, hung in Pegasus's mansion, but when does he say that Shadi was already dead?

Volume 27:

Bakura: (That was...Shadi...!!)
(Impossible...
Five years ago, he was already...!!)

And anything afterwards would have to be in Volume 30-ish...err, whenever Bobasa first showed up.

Originally Posted by anhorek

Sorry if I'm interrupting a private conversation..............

But...
I've been really interested in this topic for some time.....

My theory was that Shadi saying that he was from a gravekeeper's family was Takahashi-sensei's blunder... After all, Shadi's first appearance was still in the front part of the manga, probably before Mr. Takahashi planned it all out.

I'm just thinking that Shadi's true form is indeed Hasan, only that Hasan's true powers can be unlocked when the seven Millennium items are assmebled on the tablet and a Bobasa-like figure shines to death.

Then that would make Bobasa's family some strange type of people.

By the way, when does Bakura say that Shadi was dead 5 years ago? I do remember Bakura muttering to himself that he recognizes Shadi's painting, hung in Pegasus's mansion, but when does he say that Shadi was already dead?

It's a thread, not a private conversation. Feel free to contribute.

Like I said, if it were a blunder then it would have been edited in the reprint volumes like stuff like 'Big Wed' and Bakura's line that indicates he doesn't know what the Memory World is. I believe Hasan is summoned when Zorc is summoned, as they are two sides of the same coin. Whatever that means.

So, Shadi was powergaming, basically? Yeah, that sounds about right.

I have a problem with the anime's treatment of Shadi. In the manga, he was much more of an ambiguous jerk who only ever seemed to work towards his own mysterious ends. I think the only thing he cared about was setting the entire Millennium Items mess straight, burying the damn things and being merrily on his way to resting in peace after (likely) being around for longer than the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Shadi interfering with the Ultimate RPG seems plausible;
his whole purpose seemed to be to restore the Pharaoh and all the other spirits + the 7 Millennium items to where they belong.

I just want to add one more thing:
since Shadi also seems to be closely related to that stone tablet, can't we consider him a watered-down version of Hasan?
In the past, 3000 years ago, Hasan must have realized that somebody should be guarding the tablet all the time. But Hasan can only be summoned when all the M. Items are fit in. so he left a "mini-Hasan" which turned into Shadi.

Originally Posted by anhorek

Shadi interfering with the Ultimate RPG seems plausible;
his whole purpose seemed to be to restore the Pharaoh and all the other spirits + the 7 Millennium items to where they belong.

I just want to add one more thing:
since Shadi also seems to be closely related to that stone tablet, can't we consider him a watered-down version of Hasan?
In the past, 3000 years ago, Hasan must have realized that somebody should be guarding the tablet all the time. But Hasan can only be summoned when all the M. Items are fit in. so he left a "mini-Hasan" which turned into Shadi.

That sounds pretty interesting, actually.

Didn't Hasan exist in the Dark RPG only, though? But then again, Zork existed in the "real past", which is how Atem's soul got into the Puzzle - to take down Zork with him, even if sealing themselves was the only way to go. (And Zork put one part of his soul into the Ring, if I remember correctly.) In that case, there could possibly be a "real past" counterpart to Zork (Hasan). We don't know much about the actual events, do we? Or were they similar to the Dark RPG's?

Originally Posted by Arynis

That sounds pretty interesting, actually.

Didn't Hasan exist in the Dark RPG only, though? But then again, Zork existed in the "real past", which is how Atem's soul got into the Puzzle - to take down Zork with him, even if sealing themselves was the only way to go. (And Zork put one part of his soul into the Ring, if I remember correctly.) In that case, there could possibly be a "real past" counterpart to Zork (Hasan). We don't know much about the actual events, do we? Or were they similar to the Dark RPG's?

Whether Hasan existed or not... That's a good question. Considering he was part of Bobasa, you'd think he couldn't but I'm willing to bet that he did, and that Bobasa simply housed him in the modern time.

The Dark R.P.G. is supposed to be the real events, but slightly different. And greatly different towards the end, where Horakhty is summoned rather than the Puzzle being smashed. Certain events clearly happen differently, like where the High Priest of Darkness rewinds time so that Bakura isn't killed by Ra. Or when modern Dark Bakura appears and the Thief King turns to sand.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

Whether Hasan existed or not... That's a good question. Considering he was part of Bobasa, you'd think he couldn't but I'm willing to bet that he did, and that Bobasa simply housed him in the modern time.

The Dark R.P.G. is supposed to be the real events, but slightly different. And greatly different towards the end, where Horakhty is summoned rather than the Puzzle being smashed. Certain events clearly happen differently, like where the High Priest of Darkness rewinds time so that Bakura isn't killed by Ra. Or when modern Dark Bakura appears and the Thief King turns to sand.

Oh, I see. That wasn't really clear for me, thanks.

A bit unrelated, but you mentioned how people recognized Shadi differently - Pegasus thought he was a boy, while Yugi thought of him as a man. I thought about it, maybe it has to do something with how people perceive others' age? Like how you can't determine some people's ages by their looks.

Originally Posted by Arynis

This sounds pretty good to me, based on what I've read about Shadi. Considering he was coincidentally there when Pegasus visited Egypt (or Pegasus was the one there coincidentally, which is more likely in my opinion... )

There is no coincidence. Pegasus was chosen by the Millennium Items.

Originally Posted by anhorek

By the way, when does Bakura say that Shadi was dead 5 years ago? I do remember Bakura muttering to himself that he recognizes Shadi's painting, hung in Pegasus's mansion, but when does he say that Shadi was already dead?

During Dark Bakura vs. Dark Malik on the Battle Ship, when the piece of Malik that was left in Bakura's mind explains the story of how his father was killed, Bakura realizes that the man Malik saw the day he first went up to the surface world must have been Shadi. That's when he said "5 years ago he was already..."

When he sees Shadi's painting on the wall of Pegasus's castle, he merely says something like "I didn't expect to see him here." This scene is only to serve as our first indication that Dark Bakura knows who Shadi is. If you recall, when Yugi and the gang met Shadi in volume 2 it was way before they met Bakura in volume 6, so he should have no idea who Shadi is at this point.


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