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    As I read descriptions of the fate of Pegasus in the anime and manga, I keep seeing differing interpretations.

    In the anime continuity, Pegasus is obviously alive, due to his involvment in the Doma arc, and subsequently the Yu-Gi-Oh! GX timeline.

    But then I hear people saying that he died in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Manga, but as I read over the "Duelist" saga of the manga, translated by Viz, they never say anything about him dying. Crocket, from what I read, never says he died while carrying him and we only see Bakura taking the Millenium Eye and leaving him a fake replica, instructing him to wear that from now on. I think the manga even gives the sound effect text of him breathing heavily...

    So could someone explain to me, where this talk of Pegasus being dead comes from? Am I missing something that may have been translated weirdly from the orginal Japanese dialogue, or something stated in Yu-Gi-Oh! R?

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    I honestly have absolutely no idea. Since Pegasus is my favorite character, I like to think he's alive. Thats just me.
    I'd like to know where the idea of him being dead comes from as well. The only hint I'd know was that Bakura left the eye and said "You can wear this with you in hell".

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    In the manga, he's dead. It was a little up in the air until Yu-Gi-Oh! R, where one of Pegasus's orphaned children tries to seek revenge on Yugi for 'murdering Pegasus'. He tries to revive Pegasus from the dead, and when his plan fails he finally accepts that Pegasus must stay dead. Aside from actually digging up Pegasus's corpse, there's not much more it could have done to prove that Pegasus is dead.

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    Ahh I'm so sad :<

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    Quote Originally Posted by YushimiPegasus View Post
    Ahh I'm so sad :<
    I'm sad too...

    I knew Tenma thought Pegasus was dead but I didn't know there was actually any concrete proof of it. I mean, isn't it possible Tenma is just...mistakened?

    Am I grasping at straws? Maybe....XD

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    Put it this way: when the entire theme of a series is a character being brought back to life, if that character wasn't dead they would appear in the last chapter to straighten everything out. That's just how things go. No character even makes the slightest hint that Pegsy might still be alive.

    When Tenma's Wicked God is destroyed, he imagines a brief image of a ghostly apparition of Pegasus turning and walking away in the distance. One of his last lines is "losing Pegasus-sama may be sad...but I will just have to deal."

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    I dunno, I guess it just would have been nice if he had a long happy life ... with Cyndia. (Though thats not realistic at ALL so excuse the way my mind is working)
    D< I want the best for my favorite anime character.

    Yes its very true.
    I just... feel so sad D:

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    I just read something *very* interesting in the scans of Yu-Gi-Oh! R I found in regards to his death.

    In "Episode 33: Rematch!! Keith vs. Jounouchi" Bandit Keith makes his appearance and reveals why Yakkou believes Pegasus to be dead and why he wants revenge on Yugi.

    Bandit Keith on page 6 admits to lying to Yakkou about Pegasus being dead. He explains that he only said it to Yakkou so that he'd try to get revenge on Yugi and his friends, and it'd afford him the perfect opportunity to get his revenge on Jou as well.

    So the entire premise of Pegasus being dead is based on a lie Bandit Keith told Yakkou.

    Furthermore, Ryusaki referenced that in "Episode 43: Vanish!! And.." Tenma sees the image of Pegasus turning away and walking away from him, as proof of his deceased, ghostly status. However, it should be noted that Yugi saw a ghostly image from the same event, except it was Anzu telling him to go back to his friends soon. This event doesn't quite seem to hint at it being an image of Pegasus from the afterlife, instead..it seems to be a symbolic representation of the hearts of the two duelists, seeing a reflection of what they feel. The Devil's Avatar seems to be a card that can create illusionary copies of what the owner desires and orders it to.

    So with this information in mind, can one really say YGO R tells us that Pegasus is definitively dead? XD

    If anything it seems to be rather ambiguous. It seems the entire belief that he was dead was based on a lie Keith said for revenge.
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    I read that summary, and it seems pretty clear he's saying he lied that Yugi killed Pegasus, not that Pegasus was dead. The fourth paragraph of Janime's summary seems to suggest that Keith learned when he was revived that Pegasus had been dead for a long time. If anything, that clinches it.

    Like I said, when a whole series is about someone being dead, they don't just leave it up in the air. That person either better be dead or they better show up unexpectedly and explain themselves. Lots of us expected Pegasus to show up in the last chapter and reveal the truth, but he didn't. Maybe the scanlations are less clear that the Japanese dialogue. I'd say that there's more than enough reason to believe that Pegasus is dead. Heck, the Gospel of Truth might even say 'status: deceased' somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    Heck, the Gospel of Truth might even say 'status: deceased' somewhere.
    Not exactly, but in one section of the book, where characters give little comments (don't remember which one,) certain "people who aren't around" (or something to that effect since it's been a while since I've seen those exact pages) and doesn't leave a comment for them. I think the only ones directly stated as dead was the museum curator and Imori (well, it said "soul taken" or something like that.)


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    So "The Gospel of Truth" doesn't state Pegasus is as deceased while doing the same for other characters...now that's interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki
    I read that summary, and it seems pretty clear he's saying he lied that Yugi killed Pegasus, not that Pegasus was dead. The fourth paragraph of Janime's summary seems to suggest that Keith learned when he was revived that Pegasus had been dead for a long time. If anything, that clinches it.

    But Keith would not be operating on any direct knowledge either. Yakou believes Pegasus is dead because he's no longer around and Pegasus left behind his Cecilia card which had blood on it. There's no direct, actual evidence save for Yakou's jump to conclusions, and Keith capitalized it and created a lie. Keith wouldn't have any clue to Pegasus's fate because his soul was shattered after Pegasus dealt him a punishment game. So while Pegasus never does come back or make an appearance, that doesn't mean he's dead. He's just gone. Keith admits to not knowing, and we know Yakou has no clue about it either, so why would their words or beliefs on the situation have any weight?

    It's true all the indications we hear about Pegasus's fate makes it appear that he's dead, but their source is all rumor and conjecture, with nobody having any true answers. If anything, it's possible Pegasus ran away in disgrace and shame and wants people to believe he's dead, given that there's no direct evidence or statement of his demise by anyone there, and the Gospel of Truth doesn't list him as dead either, while doing so for others.

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    Horoko, the bit you're talking about is the bit you told me about a while ago: the bit where it has a comment from all the penalty game victims. Pegasus never got penalty game'd, so he wouldn't be in that section anyway. Doesn't really prove anything.

    In the end, even if he isn't dead, Pegasus is as good as dead. He has no Millennium Eye, he is no longer CEO of Industrial Illusions and none of the orphans he raised think he's alive. Not even Crocketts. That's a harsh fate for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    Horoko, the bit you're talking about is the bit you told me about a while ago: the bit where it has a comment from all the penalty game victims. Pegasus never got penalty game'd, so he wouldn't be in that section anyway. Doesn't really prove anything.

    In the end, even if he isn't dead, Pegasus is as good as dead. He has no Millennium Eye, he is no longer CEO of Industrial Illusions and none of the orphans he raised think he's alive. Not even Crocketts. That's a harsh fate for him.
    Oh really now? Is that the case Horoko?

    And yeah, that's true, he's completely removed from society from the looks of it. But wait, who is the CEO of Industrial Illusions now?

    And who knows, maybe Pegasus does want to be forgotten now after all that's happened in his life, so it may not be so harsh after all.

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    Well, personally I don't count anything from Yu-Gi-Oh! R as canonical proof. (I mean even Kieth is alive somehow in Yu-Gi-Oh! R.) But there are certain quotes from the original manga series that prove that at least the characters of Yu-gi-oh! Believe Pegasus to be dead.

    In the Viz translation for Yu-Gi-Oh! vol. 18 (duelist 11) Esper Roba says:

    "Right now, I'm communicating with the spirit of Pegasus J. Crawford, the designer of Duel Monsters, who was tragically murdered a few months ago."

    I'm pretty sure there was another comment from someone like Haga or Ryuzaki saying that no one really knows what happened to Pegasus, but it's widely apparent that he's dead. I couldn't find that one, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by russ869 View Post
    In the Viz translation for Yu-Gi-Oh! vol. 18 (duelist 11) Esper Roba says:

    "Right now, I'm communicating with the spirit of Pegasus J. Crawford, the designer of Duel Monsters, who was tragically murdered a few months ago."
    You can't trust this guy for saying truth, you see that he is a fake ESP, so forget it trusting on his "sources", unless in the manga he really had the ESP powers...(but I doubt he had it, because is not a reason to not put on the anime, something needs to change -.-)

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    While Espa Roba was lying about the ESP, don't you think that he'd know better then to claim to be channeling someone who might not be dead? At the very least, both he and his victims would have to believe that Pegasus was dead in order for the bluff to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russ869
    Well, personally I don't count anything from Yu-Gi-Oh! R as canonical proof. (I mean even Kieth is alive somehow in Yu-Gi-Oh! R.)
    Keith is alive because Tenma resurrected him from the dead with the same research that he would later try to resurrect Pegasus with.

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    Why the hell did Tenma just resurrect Pegasus FIRST? Who in the world has use for Keith?? XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by YushimiPegasus View Post
    Why the hell did Tenma just resurrect Pegasus FIRST? Who in the world has use for Keith?? XD
    Tenma was only able to resurrect Keith because he had his deck, which housed part of Keith's 'soul.' [And even then it didn't go too well, as a single card was missing due to Jouners' random thievery, and it made Keith extraordinarily unstable.]

    He wasn't able to revive Pegasus in the same manner because, seeing as how Pegasus created the game, every single card ever made housed a small fragment of Pegasus' soul and it would have been impossible to gather every card ever. So he had to find more creative means, which had requirements to meet. Which happened to include kidnapping Anzu and beating Yuugi. 'x'


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    Speaking of those "soul" fragments... What happened to them (if they actually existed inside the cards) after the summoning attempt (when Yakou attempted to summon an avatar of Pegasus with the help of Devil's Avatar)? Or, was the process not related to those fragments at all? If they still exist, it would pretty much make Pegasus live on in his own game... Like a presence, not being able to do anything, and torn into loads of pieces. That's pretty much a Fate Worse Than Death in my opinion... Unless I misunderstood the whole "soul" concept. =|

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    Quote Originally Posted by PegasusxCroquet View Post


    I'd have use for Keith. ;-;
    A-aww I'm sorry T.T

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    I think the soul thing with Pegasus and the entire Magic and Wizards card game based on the idea of putting one's blood, sweat, and toil into something, that the thing you've made has a portion of you in it.

    And if you can take M&W to be the magnum opus of Pegasus, Yakou was taking little bits of Pegasus from everywhere, as you could say all of the cards represent different feelings, emotions, thoughts, ideas, etc. that were important to Pegasus in *some* manner, and bringing every card's data together might as well create a new Pegasus to as close an approximation to the ol' Wine man.

    But I think a 100% conclusion as to Pegasus's fate is left up as something for the audience to decide in both R and the original manga, as forcing an absolute fate on that paticular hanging thread probably isn't adviseable, as it makes the series lose a bit of it's mysterious and always elusive beyond your reach charm.

    But those are just my thoughts as to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeArk View Post
    But I think a 100% conclusion as to Pegasus's fate is left up as something for the audience to decide in both R and the original manga, as forcing an absolute fate on that paticular hanging thread probably isn't adviseable, as it makes the series lose a bit of it's mysterious and always elusive beyond your reach charm.
    T.T
    But thats like playing Shadow the Hedgehog. "Is he alive? or is he dead? YOU decide!" No I want like.. an answer. A complete answeerrrrr... It drives me INSANE!

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    LeArk: That was an interesting way of putting it. I like that interpretation!

    Not strictly related to his death, but the flashback in chapter 2 bugged me a bit. Janime's summary says the person announcing that Yugi won the duel was an officer, but looks much like Crocketts to me... Anyway, he looks pretty... calm, compared to Yakou, that is, which I find kind of creepy. He doesn't really explain much to Yakou either (If my memory serves right. I've read the English scanlations years ago, so I'll have to re-download it sometime... XP). I'm aware that too many details would ruin the plot, but still...

    What do you think? (Alternatively, could someone back me up on that conversation? I'd be thankful!)

    (In the case he actually said something important... well, nevermind then. ^_^; )

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    Late to the party, but I'm always a fan of this topic~!

    It kind of bugs me that Takahashi dropped Pegasus so harshly (from what I've read), but to a degree, I guess it's better that they leave his fate up in the air as opposed to right-out killing him.

    Still, I'd prefer him alive :/

    Personally I think everybody in the manga is jumping to conclusions to say that he's dead. I don't think his injury would have killed him.

    My theory is that Yakou found what was left of the scene after someone had already found Pegasus and transported him to the hospital. Since he only asked who "defeated" Pegasus, there would be no need for Crocketts/Croquet to correct him in his freakout.

    That and, maybe he dropped off the face of the Earth because he was comatose for a while after? That's the only reason that I could think of that he wouldn't call his "family" (Yakou) right away. It could also explain what I've read of his "spirit" being seen walking away, as out of body experiences and/or astral projection aren't totally unheard of when it comes to plots for coma patients.

    I personally enjoy the fact that he showed up in GX (and the movie), just as fabulous as ever. It made my heart sooo so happy. He had that extra character depth after he lost the eye too, which I completely adored. Besides, of course I'd like to think that he just fell sick for a long time and recovered. It's so much better that way.

    Really, the world would be a dark, dark place without Pegasus and his toons.

    As far as putting a piece of his soul into every card, I can completely get on board with that idea. That man loved what he did.

    Sorry again that I'm reviving an old thread! :3 I just had to get in on it~! The world lacks good Pegasus discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiyouTenma View Post
    Personally I think everybody in the manga is jumping to conclusions to say that he's dead. I don't think his injury would have killed him.
    I believe having your eye gouged out while you are still alive and kicking and then left, sitting in a pool of you own blood with nothing stopping the constant flow and nobody nearby who can get help would've killed you. He could've died of Shock, Pain or Blood-Loss, really you could take your pick.



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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Hero Winged Kuriboh View Post
    I believe having your eye gouged out while you are still alive and kicking and then left, sitting in a pool of you own blood with nothing stopping the constant flow and nobody nearby who can get help would've killed you. He could've died of Shock, Pain or Blood-Loss, really you could take your pick.
    It's never said how long he was sitting there, though. For all we know, guards could have rushed in right after Bakura made off with his eye and taken him to the Emergency Room. I'm pretty sure they could have saved him if they moved fast enough, from what I see. I'm not saying it wouldn't be touch-and-go for a long time, but it's at least a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiyouTenma View Post
    It's never said how long he was sitting there, though. For all we know, guards could have rushed in right after Bakura made off with his eye and taken him to the Emergency Room. I'm pretty sure they could have saved him if they moved fast enough, from what I see. I'm not saying it wouldn't be touch-and-go for a long time, but it's at least a possibility.
    Well, judging by this comparsion of the duel table, I'd say it was a while until he was found. This is mere speculation, of course, since the artist could've drawn more blood there "just for the heck of it". We don't know the speed of his bleeding, though. It could've been minutes... or much longer. *shrugs*

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaiyouTenma View Post
    It's never said how long he was sitting there, though. For all we know, guards could have rushed in right after Bakura made off with his eye and taken him to the Emergency Room. I'm pretty sure they could have saved him if they moved fast enough, from what I see. I'm not saying it wouldn't be touch-and-go for a long time, but it's at least a possibility.
    If Pegasus was not dead in manga canon, Takahashi would've never allowed the story of YGO R to center around his death.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post


    Well, judging by this comparsion of the duel table, I'd say it was a while until he was found. This is mere speculation, of course, since the artist could've drawn more blood there "just for the heck of it". We don't know the speed of his bleeding, though. It could've been minutes... or much longer. *shrugs*
    I do admit to thinking that more blood was drawn "just for the heck of it", because it had been a while since the initial scene had come out so the new artist may have forgotten how much was there, but you do make a good point that it could be from him sitting there for a while! I dunno, I still can't help but have hope because it was so...vague, I guess? I mean there are people that have survived worse, so it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. Like I say, he could even be comatose (a la Kaiba). But I do see your point!

    So glad to see another Pegasus fan :3

    Quote Originally Posted by Uboa View Post
    If Pegasus was not dead in manga canon, Takahashi would've never allowed the story of YGO R to center around his death.
    I actually disagree. Because it was never said one way or another what happened to him (definitively, that is. All I ever hear is that he "disappeared"), I think he'd of allowed interpretation either way if an artist really wanted to do it. Especially if it was an artist that he trusted.
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    Default Re: The Fate of Pegasus, Dead or Alive?

    I actually disagree. Because it was never said one way or another what happened to him (definitively, that is. All I ever hear is that he "disappeared"), I think he'd of allowed interpretation either way if an artist really wanted to do it. Especially if it was an artist that he trusted.
    Maybe you should actually READ R. The whole ending was about Tenma learning to deal with the fact that Pegasus is dead and not returning, but respecting his memories and himself in the process. The point of R was that Tenma had to learn to move on with his life even after Pegasus' death. If he was not truly dead the entire point of R's storyline would be null and void.





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    Pegasus: Shibo

    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%...83%BC%E3%83%89

    I know several references off hand that they mention he is dead. This Japanese Wikipedia page should suffice though. (Japanese Wiki pages are usually very reliable...well, for YGO, at least.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko
    Pegasus: Shibo

    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%...83%BC%E3%83%89

    I know several references off hand that they mention he is dead. This Japanese Wikipedia page should suffice though. (Japanese Wiki pages are usually very reliable...well, for YGO, at least.)
    Any arguments nao, people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    Any arguments nao, people?

    XD

    Not me! :P

    Actually, I was quite interested in that Wiki page about him, but Babelfish only came up with approximate translations, which are just not the prettiest. :C

    Thanks for pointing that out, Horoko. The only thing I got from the translations is that he had to atone for his crimes, and he's in heaven now. Or something like that.

    Even though I wanted him to be alive at first, in the end I think his death makes him more interesting... He's a tragic fellow, whose struggle ends up with him dying. It's like... makes you experience catharsis afterwards? *shrugs*

    Besides, at least he's reunited with his beloved in the afterlife.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko View Post
    Pegasus: Shibo

    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%...83%BC%E3%83%89

    I know several references off hand that they mention he is dead. This Japanese Wikipedia page should suffice though. (Japanese Wiki pages are usually very reliable...well, for YGO, at least.)
    From the stilted google translation of that wiki article, is it saying that Takahashi confirmed somewhere in YGO R that Bakura assassinated Pegasus for his Millenium Eye, and now he's attoned for his crimes and has found peace and that's where the clarification comes from?

    I guess this definitely makes YGO R a lot more canon than a lot of people thought.

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    After the final battle, he has his Millennium Eye gouged out by Bakura and turns up in a gruesome light. In the original story, according to Esper Roba's dialogue, he is dead, and in the extra story (lit. "another story") after that, Yu-Gi-Oh R, it also explicitly portrayals him as being dead, and even the original author states that he "was assassinated by Bakura and died." In the original author's interviews and afterwords, his death was handled as an extremely important thing and died having his duty done; atoning for his sins he lives with Cyndia together in Heaven; and other words to those effects are often seen.


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    Ahh, okay. I guess I was kinda close. XD

    Thank you so much for the clarification. It's very much appreciated. It kinda saddens me but it does make sense and it is good that he's finally reunited with his loved one.

    ...And if YGO GX wasn't considered non-canon before, it certainly has itself in a strange position now. XDDD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makoeyes987 View Post
    ...And if YGO GX wasn't considered non-canon before, it certainly has itself in a strange position now. XDDD
    it could be someone disguised XDDDD

    I mean from what I heard or seems, not sure, since I never watched GX, the Kaibaman >_>".

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    Ah, that's a lot better! Many thanks for the translation! :D So it seems the case is closed, at last.

    ...And if YGO GX wasn't considered non-canon before, it certainly has itself in a strange position now. XDDD
    Pegasus is, with the manga and the anime taken into consideration, a good example for the Schr�dinger's Cat theory. He's really alive and dead at the same time! *is shot*



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    Well, it goes on to say that the anime and manga follow two different continuities (if that wasn't already clear) and that Pegasus is alive blah blah blah. Though, honestly, even without the article I just quoted, it would be sort of a waste if Tenma was trying to summon Pegasus' spirit from a retreat in North Dakota, or something.

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    LMAO.

    Well as I said before, I kind of figured that in YGO-R, when Tenma was focused on trying to summon Pegasus through use of the Wicked Avatar...it was all an illusion. An evil deception where the Wicked God was playing on the insecurities of Yakou Tenma and making him live in a delusion so as to better corrupt him. And then when the Avatar was defeated, the illusion finally dissipated, showing Pegasus walking away.

    But now of course I know it literally meant Pegasus's spirit *was* symbolically showing him he needed to move on.

    So now the question is...does the story benefit more with Pegasus dead or alive? And with Pegasus dead, who exactly is designing the duel monster cards now? Crocket? Yakou Tenma? Who is running I2? And does Yugi still have the remaining shares of I2 Pegasus promised him if he won?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko View Post
    Tenma: Pegasus-sama! Come back to me!
    Pegasus: Not now! Ooh! Sponge bath-deees~~!
    I've just imagined that line with Pegasus' seiyuu talking. That made me laugh. XD

    So now the question is...does the story benefit more with Pegasus dead or alive? And with Pegasus dead, who exactly is designing the duel monster cards now? Crocket? Yakou Tenma? Who is running I2? And does Yugi still have the remaining shares of I2 Pegasus promised him if he won?
    Hmm, yes, I'd be interested in the answers for those questions, as well. I've read the Tenma brothers were the heir of I2 (I think), but with Yugi having the majority of the shares, he'd be the owner of the company... But to be honest, I have no idea.

    Anyway, we need to know who we'd get to sue for those game breaker cards!



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    Hm, well, I don't think the whole "stock" thing was in the manga. I think that was one of the little extra things the anime added. (And I believe that the anime even had a "if you want" stipulation attached to it.)


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    Ah! So, that would make the Tenma brothers the heir of I2, after all?

    As for who are designing the cards, it's likely that Pegasus' adopted children worked at I2 as designers, since Gekkou stated that Pegasus adopted orphans and trained them as Duelists, Designers, and so on. Crocketts probably stayed the brothers' servant.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Uboa View Post
    Maybe you should actually READ R. The whole ending was about Tenma learning to deal with the fact that Pegasus is dead and not returning, but respecting his memories and himself in the process. The point of R was that Tenma had to learn to move on with his life even after Pegasus' death. If he was not truly dead the entire point of R's storyline would be null and void.
    o_O uh, maybe you should chill out a little bit. The point that I was trying to make was that it was possible that Yakou jumped to conclusions and ran with it. Being that Pegasus was his mentor and all, I think there's a possibility that he'd just see red instead of trying to reason. No need to get so testy, it's just a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko View Post
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    I know several references off hand that they mention he is dead. This Japanese Wikipedia page should suffice though. (Japanese Wiki pages are usually very reliable...well, for YGO, at least.)
    Oh, I meant like in dialogue in the series :3 Most of the people in the series that I've read/heard saying that he was dead weren't the most credible of characters, so I was hesitant to take their word for it, y'know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko View Post
    After the final battle, he has his Millennium Eye gouged out by Bakura and turns up in a gruesome light. In the original story, according to Esper Roba's dialogue, he is dead, and in the extra story (lit. "another story") after that, Yu-Gi-Oh R, it also explicitly portrayals him as being dead, and even the original author states that he "was assassinated by Bakura and died." In the original author's interviews and afterwords, his death was handled as an extremely important thing and died having his duty done; atoning for his sins he lives with Cyndia together in Heaven; and other words to those effects are often seen.
    Seconding on the thanks for this~!

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    Not me!

    Actually, I was quite interested in that Wiki page about him, but Babelfish only came up with approximate translations, which are just not the prettiest. :C

    Thanks for pointing that out, Horoko. The only thing I got from the translations is that he had to atone for his crimes, and he's in heaven now. Or something like that.

    Even though I wanted him to be alive at first, in the end I think his death makes him more interesting... He's a tragic fellow, whose struggle ends up with him dying. It's like... makes you experience catharsis afterwards? *shrugs*

    Besides, at least he's reunited with his beloved in the afterlife.
    Oh yeah, I can totally see where you're coming from there. Looking at it in the way that he is actually dead, that's the best way to look at it.

    Don't get me wrong, it can be a good thing for him to be dead (that sounds worse than I meant it XD)! The catharsis point is the best way I could think to put it. I'm not totally blind to what's there, it's just that the way that it was left for such a long time seemed to welcome interpretation (especially if you factor in him being alive in GX, even though GX seems to make canon go fwoosh XD), which I thought to give~*

    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Ah, that's a lot better! Many thanks for the translation! So it seems the case is closed, at last.


    Pegasus is, with the manga and the anime taken into consideration, a good example for the Schr�dinger's Cat theory. He's really alive and dead at the same time! *is shot*
    LMAO! Oh God...

    I so sorely want to argue it, but I can't D:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko View Post
    Well, it goes on to say that the anime and manga follow two different continuities (if that wasn't already clear) and that Pegasus is alive blah blah blah. Though, honestly, even without the article I just quoted, it would be sort of a waste if Tenma was trying to summon Pegasus' spirit from a retreat in North Dakota, or something.

    Tenma: Pegasus-sama! Come back to me!
    Pegasus: Not now! Ooh! Sponge bath-deees~~!
    ...That is my fanon now. Thank you. You have just created my personal gospel XDDDD

    You *know* it'd happen, too.

    ...no deeeessuu~~~***

    Although, I think that's the point that I may have been trying to make? Following the continuity where he lives and all.

    Man this is a fun discussion~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryusaki View Post
    In the manga, he's dead. It was a little up in the air until Yu-Gi-Oh! R, where one of Pegasus's orphaned children tries to seek revenge on Yugi for 'murdering Pegasus'. He tries to revive Pegasus from the dead, and when his plan fails he finally accepts that Pegasus must stay dead. Aside from actually digging up Pegasus's corpse, there's not much more it could have done to prove that Pegasus is dead.

    in the manga pegasus is dead???? OMG! o_o i can not believe this truely!

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