Thread: Maximillion Pegasus

Not really. It frequently happens that the creators of the game are not the best players at it. Too often to count, really.

Originally Posted by JuJube

Not really. It frequently happens that the creators of the game are not the best players at it. Too often to count, really.

If it isn't too much of a bother, could you give me a few examples?

I just can't see how a person doesn't know
their own brain child like the back of their hand.

Well, unless you count Doma|FillerCrap, Pegasus only ever lost to Atemu, who is supposed to be the unbeatable game king anyway.

...and he did have cards of his own that only he had access to.

Well Pegasus's entire deck is exclusive only to him.

No other person in the world has access to Toon monsters or Toon World. No one else is to have access to Thousand Eyes Resetrict. All of his cards are exclusive to him.

So there's just nothing else to it. Yugi is better. It's not like Pegasus can just start printing new cards in the middle of the new match and use them against them. In the end, it's a game of skill and Yugi's skill was superior to him.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

Well Pegasus's entire deck is exclusive only to him.

No other person in the world has access to Toon monsters or Toon World. No one else is to have access to Thousand Eyes Resetrict. All of his cards are exclusive to him.

So there's just nothing else to it. Yugi is better. It's not like Pegasus can just start printing new cards in the middle of the new match and use them against them. In the end, it's a game of skill and Yugi's skill was superior to him.

Yeah...but he can make any card he wants, why he made a beatable deck is a mystery to me.
I don't think he was all that ambitious, in a world where everything is decided by dueling, he is god.

Cosidering the fact that his toons were almost invincible, his Sacrifice monsters are amazing in a game with only 2000 life points, and let's not get into how powerful Ijigen Bakudan was in the anime.

Its a little funny to think that way, I see your point, but things could happen.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

It's not like Pegasus can just start printing new cards in the middle of the new match and use them against them. In the end, it's a game of skill and Yugi's skill was superior to him.

You remind me that in that duel Pegasus cheat at the beginning with his millennium eye.

Pegasus wasn't a moral less scumbag. Yes, he COULD have made a deck with cards like "I WIN" and other lame stuff, but he actually made it possible to defeat him even with overwhelming odds against them.

Hmm.

I don't think being the creator of the game would neccessarily equal being a god at it. Otogi is a good example - he created Dungeon Dice Monsters, yet Yugi beat him the first time he played the game. (If I'm right.) But now, on to Pegasus himself...

[...] he should be able to play anyone and know their every secret. (Ignoring the fact that he once obtained the Millennium Eye.)

I doubt it. There are lots of people in the world, everyone applies a different strategy to their game. Even if two people had the same deck and the "same" strategy, their mindsets would be different. How is it possible to know someone's every secret if you meet the said person for the first time? One could probably look up move notations of people (Okay, we've never seen records such as that in the series, but considering how the card game is a Serious Business in the YGOverse, I wouldn't be surprised if they had them. Especially if we're talking about tournament duels. Or, if move notations don't exist, then you have live boardcasts of duels. Eg. Pegasus vs Keith, Haga vs Ryuzaki, etc.), but even then, you still would not know the person well enough. His/her play could be better or worse, or she/he would use a different strategy for the duel. Or they upgraded/changed their decks... There will be always a factor of unpredictability in the game.

In the anime, he makes the cards, and that alone should set him apart from everyone else. If he decides on the card effects too, than there is no reason he shouldn't be able to flawlessly defeat anyone he throws down with.

It does. His Toon Deck is unique, reflecting his own personality and mind. And as others have said before, no one else has Thousand-Eyes Restrict or Relinquished (however, Manjoume owned a copy of Relinquished in GX, if you count that). While he does decide on the card effects, he cannot change them mid-duel. And his deck was pretty powerful anyway, considering that Toon World and the Toons are pretty difficult to take down. (Especially during Duelist Kingdom.)

When you make a card effect, you don't just write one after another, you think
about other cards that can make combos with this one.

Well, of course. But considering the amount of cards that were made, he'd eventually fail to remember every one of them. Even if he had a list of every card in a computer (along with effects), he could always overlook one or two. He's not perfect. Or you design a group of cards fitting together, but then there's that one card, not specifically made for that group, which could also go with them. It's what allows to have so many unique decks in the card game.

During the Napoleon/Chronos Duel, he was surprised when Antique Gear Hand removed Toon Dark Magician Girl from the field. In the Movie, he didn't know (at first) why Kaiba wanted to remove his own monsters from the game.

Unless you made a chance game like Rock-Paper-Scissors, you should be a master of it.

In my opinion Duel Monsters is also a chance game in its own way. You never know what card you're going to draw next. You could always get a bad hand, draw that one card you didn't really want to draw, and so on. You can't really control what you draw, no? Well, unless you use a card which allows you to see the top cards of your deck, rearrange them, draw more cards, etc. (Of course, this doesn't apply to the characters, where they either don't draw the right card, or they do, Because Destiny Says So.)

Also, Pegasus can make any card he wants, he doesn't have to tell
anyone, and guess what...any card he makes is real and tournament legal.

He can, yes. But to an extent, he probably didn't want to make such powerful cards that could net him victory in one turn. Who knows, maybe it wasn't his style. He might have wanted to play with something he specifically liked, so he made his own Toon deck.

How about the God cards? He couldn't control them. The Wicked Gods? He didn't want to make them. There are a lot of absurd cards which have uglier effects than his, but he didn't use/own them. (Well, majority of those cards are either from spinoffs or fillers, or weren't designed by him. In GX, we've seen people designing their own cards (eg. Frantz and Hayato), with Pegasus just approving of them, probably.)

Pegasus loosing to anyone is a grossly unrealistic.

If we take only the manga into consideration, then the only person Pegasus lost to was Yugi. (And Atem, as well as their friends.)

Apart from Keith, Kaiba and Yugi, we don't know what other people Pegasus dueled against.

If we take the fillers/spinoffs into consideration, then Pegasus lost to Kaiba and Mai, and won against Chronos and Napoleon.

VS Mai (Doma):

First of all, Mai had the Seal of Orilchalcos, which gave her in the first place - monsters being summonable in M&T zone, as well as increase their attack by 500 points. We have very little detail of the actual duel, but I assume Mai summoned a lot of Harpie Ladies and zerged Pegasus with them. Pegasus was quite worried before Mai appeared, and her ambush probably made his anxiety worse. The Seal was likely the "icing" on the "cake". I could see him messing up a lot in such a state...

VS Kaiba (Movie):

Lawl. First of all, they messed up with Ultimate Offering - Toon Monsters. Toon Summoned Skull and BETD are Special Summons, yet Pegasus treats them as a Normal summon. Although in GX, he says "Shokan!" ("Summon!") when he summons Toon Dark Magician Girl (Who is supposed to be also Special Summoned) instead of "Tokushi Shokan!" ("Special Summon!"), so I assume they are Normal Summon after all. But just for the sake of, um, theorizing possible outcomes, I'll include a "No UO" version. (Also, I don't know if I spellt "Tokushi" - "Special" correctly. :x)

If UO wouldn't have been tossed in, Pegasus would've been left with 2900 LP, so he could've survived XYZ-Dragon Cannon's attack (100 LP left). The only card he had in his hand at that time was Toon Table of Contents, although I don't see what he could've done with it, with Toon World being destroyed and all. To he honest though, I don't see why he had to summon BETD and Toon Summoned Skull when Kaiba had only 2100 LP left... He had more than enough firepower. Perhaps in the case Kaiba used a LP increasing card? Or just wanted to summon all of his beloved cards on the field... "Ooooh, I have them on the field! Yay, I finally got them out!" Like a little kid, perhaps? XD

Of course, if Kaiba hadn't summoned XYZ-Dragon Cannon, Pegasus would've won next turn... However, Kaiba could've set Ring of Destruction and blow up Toon Dark Magician Girl, bringing Pegasus' LP from 1900 to 0. (And his to 100.) If Pegasus would've had 2900 LP in the case of No UO, then chances he could've beat Kiaba, as Ring of Destruction would've killed Kaiba, regardless of his choice. (And Dark Core wouldn't have been enough.)

I suppose the plot required Pegasus to lose, because Kaiba needed to obtain Pyramid of Light and BESD. Oh well.

VS Napoleon and Chronos

I think psychological warfare had a major effect on the outcome - namely Pegasus telling his opponents that the player remaining with the higher LP at the moment his goes to 0 would get the better position at I2. Considering the positions Chronos and Napoleon were in (believing that they were fired from the Academy), of course they'd try reducing one other's LP. Looking at Pegasus though (who seemed pretty confident) I assume he planned to mess with them this way. With the teachers being distracted by each other, Pegasus could easily go ahead and reduce their LP.

If they both focused on Pegasus instead, he'd have lesser LP left (since all three Toy Soldiers would attack him) and Napoleon might've had the opportunity to Tribute Summon a monster, as Chronos wouldn't have destroyed Napoleon's Soldiers. I don't think it would've made much of a difference - the Antique Gear Soldiers couldn't destroy Toon Alligator, and the Toy Soldiers couldn't attack Toon Dark Magician Girl.

Since I bought duel analysis into the picture, I'll talk briefly about his duel against Yugi as well.

VS Yugi (Duelist Kingdom Final)

Well, in my opinion his psychological warfare here was his usage of the Eye's abilities on Yugi. It pretty much terrified him that all of his tactics were open before Pegasus. However, the only thing that countered this was Yugi's Mind Shuffle. With Yugi and Atem switching places in order to avoid Mind Scan, and later on, Yugi's friends blocking Pegasus from reading Atem's mind (as Yugi was unconscious at that time), they all won against the creator of Duel Monsters. Pegasus didn't need godly cards - the Eye alone made him a fearful opponent. He didn't expect to lose against anyone, not even Yugi. He was shocked at the end of the duel when he lost.

To quote him from the manga, Duel 132: "I...I...Actually lost... I, who holds the Sennen Eye...Actually lost in the game I created..."

******

Rather than Pegasus actually being a god, he could've thought he was a master at his game because of the power of the Sennen Eye. He could counter every tactic, and knowing that his opponents would feel horrified once they figure out that Pegasus can read their mind, he was unbeatable. But once Yugi figured out his weakness and beat him, all that didn't matter anymore.


Now that I've typed all that out... *dies*

Originally Posted by Indigo_Thunder

If it isn't too much of a bother, could you give me a few examples?

I just can't see how a person doesn't know
their own brain child like the back of their hand.

Competitive video games are the most frequently cited example, as tournament winners are frequently superior in skill to the creators themselves. (One example I can think of offhand is the PC game One Must Fall 2097 - while creator Rob Elam was very good he was not undefeated).

Originally Posted by Rumia

Pegasus wasn't a moral less scumbag. Yes, he COULD have made a deck with cards like "I WIN" and other lame stuff, but he actually made it possible to defeat him even with overwhelming odds against them.

Who cares about morals, so you cheated at simple card game, not like you rigged the presidential election. He thought he had a chance to bring back his wife, I don't know why he didn't use his resources to pull out all the stops.



I'll admit this is a low blow.

Well, he wasn't trying to revive his dead wife. He was trying to take over Kaiba Corporation, and he had to prove to the Big 5 that he could beat Yugi. The Big 5 probably wouldn't have been too impressed if he'd played cards like "I Win",

Here's the thing about pegasus, and something to remember, he doesn't want to be a god. What he wants, or wanted, was to be with his wife and be happy. Cartoon's make him happy becuase he's an artist, and artist aren't always going to be the best at something they created.

Yes Pegasus can manipulate people, but the thing is, he dosen't always want to. He twisted around the big five so that he could get acess to Kaiba corp tech to create an avatar of his late wife. He didn't want to cheat by bending the rules because to him, that's no fun. He wants to create a world that can be fun, and be played for the fun of it. To reexperince the childhood that he lost in the first place. He wanted to give the world DM as a way of finding some way of moving on from his late wife's death.

I should note too that Yes Pegaus lost to kaiba, not becuase he's a bad gamer, but becuase he thought that Kaiba was too prideful and that his pride would do him in, as it did before with yugi.

By the way the guy that created Dunges and dragons was also not a great game master. He played very well but he was defeated. The point of creating games isn't to master them and be undefeated, but to share them with others.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

He was trying to take over Kaiba Corporation, and he had to prove to the Big 5 that he could beat Yugi. The Big 5 probably wouldn't have been too impressed if he'd played cards like "I Win",

Good point there, Ryusaki.

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Yes Pegasus can manipulate people, but the thing is, he dosen't always want to. He twisted around the big five so that he could get acess to Kaiba corp tech to create an avatar of his late wife.

Actually, I wonder how he could repress his thoughts while stealing the souls of Kaiba, Mokuba, and Sugoroku...Robbing people of their loved ones. Considering that when he first went to Egypt in the manga, he was terrified when the thief -a total stranger to him- who stole the Millennium Ring was caught by Shadi's black robed servants. He wanted to pay them his money so the thief would be forgiven... It could've been just naivety though, since he's an upper class person(?) who probably didn't really see the painful/unpleasant side of life until it all came crashing down on him after his 17th birthday. (Cyndia's death, the poor villagers of Krul Elna, etc.) Or at least that's how I see it. Or perhaps he wasn't concerned about them because they weren't related to him at all, or he treated them as his "enemies".

I guess Bakura put it pretty well in Episode 40, (loltarotcards) "The next card represents your current self. Mask of Darkness? Your current position and actions are to hide the original objectives, like a mask. In order to hide these plans that came from your heart, you have chosen to take a long road."

If Pegasus were to claim KC, though, I wonder what he would've done to the souls. Let them go free, or keep them forever? (Well, Sugoroku was only a "bait" for Yugi...I assume he stole the Kaibas' souls only to... get them out of the way while he's getting things done? And to have the key to KC nearby, in a safe place.) Claim Yugi's soul as well? Or just tell him that he only needed to defeat him in a duel?

And one thing still bugs me. Why didn't Pegasus just buy Solid Vision from Kaiba? :U Was it because Kaiba was in a coma during that time? Or, as Bakura said, "he chose to take the long road" instead.

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

I should note too that Yes Pegaus lost to kaiba, not becuase he's a bad gamer, but becuase he thought that Kaiba was too prideful and that his pride would do him in, as it did before with yugi.

Hmm. That's an interesting way to see their duel. ^_^

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

The point of creating games isn't to master them and be undefeated, but to share them with others.

That's true, too!

-

On an interesting note, I was watching Episode 35 in Japanese, and these interesting conversations came up... (Brackets mean the characters are talking in monologue)

(After Crocketts tells Yugi he'll receive 60% share of I2, thus becoming the company's president if he beats Pegasus in the duel)

Pegasus:
That is a truly amazing present! For the one to be able to defeat me, of course there should be a reward of such mass.

Yugi:
Or you just think there's no one alive who can defeat you.

Pegasus:
Yes. However, it takes a great risk to gain such honor.

Later in the Episode...

(After Pegasus nullifies Yugi's combo of Beaver Warrior and Horn of the Unicorn, then destroying his monster with Red Archery Girl)

Yugi:
(As I thought, with Pegasus' Millennium Eye, he can see right through me...!)

Pegasus:
(That's right, Yugi-boy.)

Yugi:
(Pegasus is not only the creator of the cards, but a king without bounds! How do I fight against his Millennium Eye?)

Pegasus:
(It seems you have just wasted a turn, Yugi-boy. There are many variables in this game, from the cards to choose, to the right timing... The player's road to defeat is lined with a great number of little mistakes, one after another.) Let me tell you one thing. I never make mistakes.

Yugi:
(Pegasus gives off a sense of absolute confidence in this game. If I can't break free of that, I can't win!)

Jonouchi:
That Pegasus bastard... All humans make mistakes! Does he think he's God or something?!

Bakura:
Since Pegasus was the one who created Duel Monsters, he's almost like a god. The creator knows his world inside out.

Heh. I guess I was right on Pegasus thinking he's the absolute master at his game. But it looks like the others look at him as a god, too.

Also, the way Pegasus stares in that episode reminds me of Gendo Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion. Lawl.

Humm good point but was that Pegasus talking or was that the effect of the eye that made it feel that he was god like? I'm starting to wonder if the eye was affecting him the same way the puzzle affected yuugi.

Well, I'm pretty sure the Eye itself had an effect on him, too. With its mind-reading abilities, Pegasus could predict every tactic the opponent was going to use against him. Combining his knowledge of the game with the Eye, he could feel secure and confident, regardless of who/what he was facing. He didn't have to deal with the unpredictable and unknown sides of people.

The Eye has an "evil intelligence" within, which made the illusion of Cyndia appear for Pegasus when he received the Item, causing him further pain. The Eye must've definitely affected him during the creation of the God cards (Episode 85). (I don't have the proper subs for this episode, so I'm basing the following on the HK Subtitles. Bleh.)

He was not only willing to find the God cards at all costs (although that could've been simply because he wanted to complete the game he created), but also create their card forms, regardless of the risk. (The cameraman and the photographer, who were with Pegasus during the discovery of the litograph, were both killed by the Gods.) Crocketts begs him to stop the cards' creation, but Pegasus disagrees, saying it would have a big influence on the company.(?) He asks Crocketts if he's afraid about the Anger of the Gods, then says he'll take the risk. When he says that line, his Eye shines.

After he finishes painting the illustrations for the God cards, he decides to rest for a while. His Eye glows once again, and he ends up in a vision/dream of a ruined Egypt in fire, being destroyed by the Gods. Shadi explains to him that Duel Monsters is not just a card game, it's a power which has the potential for destroying the world - the Game of Darkness. Pegasus is shocked to hear it, and says that even if it's a Game of Darkness, he'll bring Duel Monsters to the world... Even if it costs sacrificing his soul to the devil. (When he says this line, his Eye shines yet again.) Shadi then tells him he can't control the God cards - he must seal them in Egypt. Then we get a scene of Obelisk, Osiris, and Ra blasting their attacks at Pegasus. (Although I'm a bit disturbed at the thought of Obelisk firing his attack from his mouth...) Pegasus wakes up from the shock, and is terrified at the feeling of the heat and pain... it is real, after all!

Well, this is how I interpreted all the Eye glows in that episode - it's showing how Pegasus is being controlled/influenced by the Eye in those moments. (Unless he's stating those lines as a ... really passionate game designer / artist. I don't know really, the whole thing seems a bit OOC to me, even if intended. *shrugs*)

Anyway, another dialogue, this time from Episode 37:

Yugi:
Pegasus, then pick the correct Silk Hat and annihilate the Black Magician! Or are you just a coward who can't trust your intuition unless you rely on your Millennium Eye?

Pegasus:
Now that you mention it, it has been several years since I relied upon my own instincts...

[Toon Demon attacks a Silk Hat, and misses]

Pegasus:
No! I missed again!

Yugi:
What a pity. You've missed again. Pegasus, since you're the creator of Duel Monsters, I'm sure you're aware of this. Every game has to have a winner and a loser. In that case, what is it that separates the two? That's the good judgment needed to know the rules and assess the situation of the game... And the instincts to decide when and how to act. Whoever has these two things is the winner. Judgment comes from experience and confidence... Instinct requires divine courage. But, you've relied on the Millennium Eye for far too long. And you've lost the instincts of a duelist. When it comes to true courage, my partner is far superior to you.

Without the Eye, he'd have to deal with the unknown - but with it, he doesn't have to fear anything. He knows what everyone thinks, and it makes him feel safe.

Which is a great point. But when he says he's a god, is he being realistic or is he just bragging for bragging sake. Clearly after events of DK he's changed some and in Yugioh R we can see that the eye's influence must have taken shape over time, because his words to yakou and Gekkou aren't the same smug person that he was when yuugi was dueling him.

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

But when he says he's a god, is he being realistic or is he just bragging for bragging sake.

Or it could be both, heh.

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Clearly after events of DK he's changed some and in Yugioh R we can see that the eye's influence must have taken shape over time, because his words to yakou and Gekkou aren't the same smug person that he was when yuugi was dueling him.

Well, Yakou and Gekkou were his adopted children, while Yugi was just an "enemy" to him.

I wonder what happened in those 7 years between Duelist Kingdom and the creation of Duel Monsters. We know he adopted orphans, created the God Cards (and probably designed more and more cards), took part in a tournament and dueled against Keith.

...Probably kept working on new cards and took care of his adopted children. I'm kind of out of ideas at the moment...

Originally Posted by Arynis

If Pegasus were to claim KC, though, I wonder what he would've done to the souls. Let them go free, or keep them forever?

Letting a pissed of psycho like Kaiba go free is generally a really bad idea.

And one thing still bugs me. Why didn't Pegasus just buy Solid Vision from Kaiba? :U Was it because Kaiba was in a coma during that time? Or, as Bakura said, "he chose to take the long road" instead.

Yeah, it must've had something to do with that. With Kaiba in a coma, Mokuba was doing everything he could to keep the company from selling behind his brother's back (like swallowing a certain key). Kaiba would never have willing sold his company or his invention. Games were his dream, although somewhere along the way he almost forgot about his dreams, he was never able to let go of them for anything.

Pegasus:
(It seems you have just wasted a turn, Yugi-boy. There are many variables in this game, from the cards to choose, to the right timing... The player's road to defeat is lined with a great number of little mistakes, one after another.) Let me tell you one thing. I never make mistakes.

Yugi:
(Pegasus gives off a sense of absolute confidence in this game. If I can't break free of that, I can't win!)

Jonouchi:
That Pegasus bastard... All humans make mistakes! Does he think he's God or something?!

Bakura:
Since Pegasus was the one who created Duel Monsters, he's almost like a god. The creator knows his world inside out.

This is too damn awesome. I'm shivering in awe!

Pegasus was an awe inspiring guy, there are very few who are like that. The only ones that come to mind are, Walter from Hellsing, Shuguri from Fruits basket, and Lina lee's brother from D-Gray man.

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Pegasus was an awe inspiring guy, there are very few who are like that. The only ones that come to mind are, Walter from Hellsing, Shuguri from Fruits basket, and Lina lee's brother from D-Gray man.

I'll add in L from Death Note, since we're taking that route. And Near, just to be on the safe side. Not to mention...

-Creed (Black Cat, Best. Psycho. Villain. EVER.)
-Aion (Chrno Crusade)

... And a host of others I have yet to think of at the moment.

But yeah, Pegasus is still my favorite DM character. He needs his own series. XD

^ Holy crap, you stole my name!

I go by Demosthenes on some other forums. Pretty interesting coincidence.

Are you a reader of Orson Scott Card by any chance...?

How could I forget L! And Near is awesome too, one might even qualify Isis in this feild because of how much she managed to manipulate everything practically to get what she wanted. *laughs*

Originally Posted by russ869

Letting a pissed of psycho like Kaiba go free is generally a really bad idea.

Hahah, good point. :P

Originally Posted by russ869

Yeah, it must've had something to do with that. With Kaiba in a coma, Mokuba was doing everything he could to keep the company from selling behind his brother's back (like swallowing a certain key). Kaiba would never have willing sold his company or his invention. Games were his dream, although somewhere along the way he almost forgot about his dreams, he was never able to let go of them for anything.

Ah, that would clear everything up. It has been bugging me for so long... Thanks a lot! :D

Originally Posted by Demosthenes

But yeah, Pegasus is still my favorite DM character. He needs his own series. XD

YES. XD (Although he has his own Villain Song, Face Up Face Down... It's 4Kids stuff, so I don't know if it counts.)

How about a Funny Rabbit spinoff, as well? It would be fun to watch shorts of his favorite series! (Especially if they were made in the style of the Roger Rabbit short films. That's be awesome fabulous!)

And L is my favorite as well! I could identify with the guy pretty well.

If we're talking about how awesome Pegasus is... what do you people like in him? How did you come to like the guy?

Spoiler: My story

I remember when I started watching the (dub) series. I was rooting for Yugi and co., and was quite pissed when Pegasus stole Sugoroku's soul. I hated him so much, I thought he was a jerk and a cheater. I remember going "Bwah, it's him again!" whenever he was shown on-screen. Stealing Kaiba's and Mokuba's soul made him even worse in my eyes. And when the filler with the Cyndia portrait came up, I couldn't believe someone loved that heartless man. (I also refused to believe she was his wife when the gang wondered about it. "It can't be that obvious!" I thought, "Maybe she's his mother?" That one makes me lol whenever I remember it nowadays, haha.)

Then came episode 34, (Shame on the dub for spoiling Episode 40 so early!) and I was like, "So that's... Oh... poor guy." I actually wanted to root for him during the Pegasus vs Yugi duel, but he lost anyway. I was so annoyed at Kuribohs at that point. :P I hated them!

Then the whole story got revealed in Episode 40. I felt sorry for him, and my opinion about him changed permanently. I started noticing those little "moments of awesome" I missed due to me wanting to pay as little attention to him as possible. The Toons, the comic reading, the jokes... Then I finally got my hands on the manga and the original episodes, and cleared up all the misconceptions about him and his motive. (And as I was rewatching episode 40 over and over again (:C), I eventually came to like Cyndia as well... Even though she has so little screentime and no (onscreen) personality.)

I like Pegasus because he seems so...different from the rest of the characters, at least to me. He has a humourous, childish side which is amusing to watch, and a dark, "evil", tragic one to complement it. How can I say it... a "balanced" character? And his deck is just plain win, showing these contrasts wonderfully. When I played the TCG, I went on building my own Toon deck (+ Relinquished), although I used it only for casual duels.

And he's an artist, on top of that. During the flashbacks he wore a shirt and pants, and trainers(?), which puts him in an entirely different light, seeing how he usually wore a suit of some sort. (Maybe he didn't want to stain his expensive clothes, or just found them comfortable to wear? *shrugs*)

Then there was the whole death issue. I didn't want to believe it at first, but after my uncertainty was sorted out thanks to the people on these forums, I finally did. In fact, I realized that him dying made him an ever cooler character... catharsis, anyone?

Despite that, his returns for the Movie and GX were still cool to see. In the Movie, he saves Anzu, Mokuba and Sugoroku when the stadium's floor is cracking due to the Pyramid of Light, giving him a Crowning Moment of Awesome. Then, he saves the gang again when Anubis is destroying the stadium walls. In GX, he provided comic relief. (Pegasus' expressions in Episode 92 are just... priceless. XD) And I thought he looked badass when he wore that special outfit when he created the Rainbow Dragon card.

I'm a bit unsure about Doma, although with him giving Legend of Heart to Yugi he pretty much saved everyone. Also, near the end of the arc, Pegasus said a line which seemed kind of deep for me, it became my instant favorite. The quote can be seen in my signature. (Personally I value imagination much myself.)

Not many characters have left such an impression on me. The only ones who did were L from Death Note and Gendo from Evangelion. (Although I could name a few more from the latter...)

Originally Posted by russ869

^ Holy crap, you stole my name!

I go by Demosthenes on some other forums. Pretty interesting coincidence.

Are you a reader of Orson Scott Card by any chance...?

Yes! I knew I couldn't be the only one on this forum who knew that reference! (For the record, I wanted to go by "Locke" originally, but that name was already taken. XD)

I think I'll be changing my name soon, though, if it's any consolation, since I go by Thesis everywhere except here.

On which forum are you Demos?

BIT: Ah, how could I forget "face-up, face-down?" It's one of the few genuinely amusing things 4Kids has come up with. And yes, it just confirms Abridged Kaiba's statement: "Pegasus is ruthless. Camp, but ruthless."

Here's to camp. XD

Originally Posted by Demosthenes

BIT: Ah, how could I forget "face-up, face-down?" It's one of the few genuinely amusing things 4Kids has come up with. And yes, it just confirms Abridged Kaiba's statement: "Pegasus is ruthless. Camp, but ruthless."

:D

Pegasus was hilarious in the Abridged Series! "OOOOOH, I totally burned you!" (Actually, just whenever he goes "OOOOH" cracks me up. XD)

...And there's his fabulous ritual musical. That song was spot on for him! Especially because later in the actual song, it is sung that "Girl you got me thirsty for an another cup of wine"... which ties in nicely with Pegasus drinking wine.

Heh, I happen to love Darren Dunsten as a voice actor. He was actually trained in Classical singing and was Giovanni on the Pokemon Live production. I should note too that Dan Green, yuugi's voice, can sing, as can Eric Stuart, Kaiba (He's even got CDs out).

I think that Darren's Pegasus is a bit more intresting in voice then the Japanese voice actor. I'm not knocking the orignal VA, I just prefer Darren's voice becuase of how it seems to suit Mr. Crawford's look.

Heh, I know what you mean. Also, I didn't know those about the VAs - pretty cool.

However, Jirou Jay Takasugi's "deesu"s and "maasu"s are quite amusing. :D

I'm going to have to rewatch Yugioh in Japanese just to check this out. And VAs do tend to get looked down upon, but a lot are very talented.

Heheh, enjoy! (Actually, he makes some "mistakes" in Episode 40, where he says simply "desu" and "masu", without the long vowels. I guess he doesn't fool around when he's talking about serious matters.) Also, he swears in English in the Japanese version. And before I forget, "Unbelieveable!"

And yeah, they are! The VA for Pegasus in our country was really good. He was a theater actor at one point, but he usually takes part in soap opera dubs. He could get hang of Pegasus' comedic and tragic side pretty easily. Even though the rest of the VAs weren't as excellent as Pegasus', I still like them nonetheless. They grew on me!

The translation of the script, however, was just plain horrible. Some of the translations were just... *shudders* Well, let's just say literal translations were quite lulzy in a few cases.

Sometimes Pegasus's Japanese voice actually gets annoying but I honestly love his "Jesus! Unbelievable!!" So damn funny!

I was so annoyed at Kuribohs at that point. I hated them!

Hey, who doesn't hate Kuriboh...? Still.

Awww but Kiriboh's are cute. At least they're not as annoying as some of the other anime sidekicks that I've seen. *shudders*

Originally Posted by russ869

Sometimes Pegasus's Japanese voice actually gets annoying but I honestly love his "Jesus! Unbelievable!!" So damn funny!

Personally, whenever he talks in a high pitch it gets me annoyed usually. I don't know, I like it better when his seiyuu keeps his pitch down. (I read in an interview (via Babelfish) that Jirou actually has a bass voice. I was like, "Wait... He's a BASS?!")

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Awww but Kiriboh's are cute. At least they're not as annoying as some of the other anime sidekicks that I've seen. *shudders*

Heheh. Well, they are cute. But they still ruined Pegasus' monster! (But then again, he was supposed to lose in the first place because "Destiny Says So".)

This thread must live! >:C It is too fabulous for dying down!

Pegasus loosing to anyone is a grossly unrealistic.

well, I don't think so since it's a game ..

what is really unrealistic is Pegasus being able to draw exactly what counters what he reads. Remeber in GX when Manjome showed his entire hand the whole time ? Asuka knew every possible thing he could do but stil didn't draw cards that can counter perfectly like pegasus ( ignoring the fact that she was thinking too hard and forgot that she'll lose anyways if she didn't destroy Manjome's continuous spell that caused her damage every turn ) .

Originally Posted by brave warrior

well, I don't think so since it's a game ..

what is really unrealistic is Pegasus being able to draw exactly what counters what he reads. Remeber in GX when Manjome showed his entire hand the whole time ? Asuka knew every possible thing he could do but stil didn't draw cards that can counter perfectly like pegasus ( ignoring the fact that she was thinking too hard and forgot that she'll lose anyways if she didn't destroy Manjome's continuous spell that caused her damage every turn ) .

I noticed that too, but I didn't give it much thought. Most of the characters draw the card they want (or not) most of the time, anyway... whatever "Teh Plot" wants to happen.

Still, it is interesting...