Thread: Consistent Inconsistencies

Aside from the Kaiba Corp Grand Prix's utterly shit animation, I thought it was a nice breather and set up for the gang to get back to Japan, and have some fun before the series finally got back to Egypt and ended. It was nice to see them as a gang having fun and all before they got back to Japan and thus work towards finding his memory once more. It was a novel and creative way to feature a filler arc but also work it into fitting within the main plot and working towards its goal.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

Aside from the Kaiba Corp Grand Prix's utterly shit animation, I thought it was a nice breather and set up for the gang to get back to Japan, and have some fun before the series finally got back to Egypt and ended. It was nice to see them as a gang having fun and all before they got back to Japan and thus work towards finding his memory once more. It was a novel and creative way to feature a filler arc but also work it into fitting within the main plot and working towards its goal.

It might have been good in Japan, but as usual the dub completely massacred it. One German brother has an accent, the other does not? Lolwut?

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

I wouldn't say that. Blue Eyes, Red Eyes, Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl, and even Kuriboh were shown to be more than just cards and solid vision.

If those Emperors from Yliaster were aliens, it'd be a bit more believable. No. They're frackin' ANDROIDS. Androids with technology that makes no sense, and can rip through space time, and manipulate people's memories. They'd fit more in an episode of Star Trek, than YGO.



I dunno, the first two seasons of 5Ds (especially the Dark Signer arc) really felt like something you'd get from YGO. The cultural and mythical connections...that epic occult themes..the Earthbound Gods...the Dark Signers...the Signers themselves...It felt like YGO, proper. This new stuff with androids, riding roids, Machine Emperors, and the big giant shrimp space god however...

Blue-Eyes and Black Magician had some kind of connection to their owners, and were a little bit more than mere cards, but the Gods were the only set of cards that were regarded as "cards that were more than just cards". I can't remember Red-Eyes being anything more than a card, and all those Kuriboh bits were anime only, due to Kuriboh's popularity, iirc.

I'd say the original director of 5D's, Ruka's spirit world aside (granted it was handled better than any other YGO spirit world) had a very good grasp of what Yu-Gi-Oh! was supposed to be. It felt like the series had gotten back to its roots, and DM could finally have a true successor. Then the Dark Signer arc hit, and it became pretty apparent that we were getting another DOMA. Kiryu and Carly were neat, but the inconsitancy of Kiryu's backstory and the Savior Dragons ruined them. Buffwin was a joke of the villain he could have been.

EDIT: ...and yeah, KCGP was awesome. It could be because it was the first arc of the original that I caught and watched on a weekly basis (RAW) but it was cool.

Originally Posted by Lil_Yugi

Blue-Eyes and Black Magician had some kind of connection to their owners, and were a little bit more than mere cards, but the Gods were the only set of cards that were regarded as "cards that were more than just cards". I can't remember Red-Eyes being anything more than a card, and all those Kuriboh bits were anime only, due to Kuriboh's popularity, iirc.

Well Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl hold the spirits of Mahad and Mana. And Blue Eyes is the spirit of Kisara. So the same would apply as well. As for Red-Eyes, it too was shown as having some sort of soul or feeling during that duel between mind controlled Jou and Yugi. Where Yugi expressed even Red Eyes wanted to get Jou back, and it was shown to truly be hurting and wishing for Jou to get his mind back.

I'd say the original director of 5D's, Ruka's spirit world aside (granted it was handled better than any other YGO spirit world) had a very good grasp of what Yu-Gi-Oh! was supposed to be. It felt like the series had gotten back to its roots, and DM could finally have a true successor. Then the Dark Signer arc hit, and it became pretty apparent that we were getting another DOMA. Kiryu and Carly were neat, but the inconsitancy of Kiryu's backstory and the Savior Dragons ruined them. Buffwin was a joke of the villain he could have been.

Agreed. But I don't think the Dark Signer arc was that similar to Doma. At least, not such a carbon copy as the Infinity arc and the Society of Light arc of GX were.

I was never that big of a the Savior Dragons however, due to how they just cropped out of nowhere. The Dark Signer arc wasn't perfect but it was good. Better than what we've been getting now lately. And don't get me started on the character assassination that was Godwin as a Dark Signer. Ugh.

EDIT: ...and yeah, KCGP was awesome. It could be because it was the first arc of the original that I caught and watched on a weekly basis (RAW) but it was cool.

It was awesome. Too bad the animation was so damn bad though.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

I wouldn't say that. Blue Eyes, Red Eyes, Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl, and even Kuriboh were shown to be more than just cards and solid vision.

Care to give some examples of these. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Thanks.

For instance, if you're talking about the first game of Magic & Wizards from the manga where the Blue Eyes chose to destroy itself rather than serve Kaiba, that was before the hologram system was even made. Yugi's Game of Darkness literally brought the playing cards to life. That's what gave Kaiba the idea for virtual reality card games in the first place.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

Well Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl hold the spirits of Mahad and Mana. And Blue Eyes is the spirit of Kisara. So the same would apply as well. As for Red-Eyes, it too was shown as having some sort of soul or feeling during that duel between mind controlled Jou and Yugi. Where Yugi expressed even Red Eyes wanted to get Jou back, and it was shown to truly be hurting and wishing for Jou to get his mind back.

That's true of Black Magician and Black Magician Girl the ka monsters, but not necessarily true of the modern day cards.

As for Red-Eyes, again I think that ties into Yugi's concept of "a card's heart" (or heart of the cards). It's not that the Red-Eyes inherited the soul of a person or ancient spirit monster. It's that by playing with the card side-by-side, Jounouchi poured so much of his hopes and passion for battle into it that it developed a kind of empathic attachment to him. A mind of it's own, so to speak.

Originally Posted by russ869

Care to give some examples of these. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Thanks.

For instance, if you're talking about the first game of Magic & Wizards from the manga where the Blue Eyes chose to destroy itself rather than serve Kaiba, that was before the hologram system was even made. Yugi's Game of Darkness literally brought the playing cards to life. That's what gave Kaiba the idea for virtual reality card games in the first place.

The fact the Blue Eyes White Dragon chose to destroy itself on the field once it was played by the Player Killer Puppet Master in Duelist Kingdom, shows its more than just a card.

When Kuriboh acted insulted at being insulted by Kaiba and Mai, again. That's a level of personality that's more than just any normal card. Especially considering it was one of Pharaoh Atem's ka that he used to beat Priest Set in the practice duel to prepare themselves against Thief King Bakura again.

Red Eyes Black Dragon showed pain and sadness at seeing mind controlled Jounouchi losing his heart of a duelist, and Yugi comments on that. As does Takahashi in his description of the bunkoban artwork that features Jou, Yugi and Red Eyes on the cover.

That's true of Black Magician and Black Magician Girl the ka monsters, but not necessarily true of the modern day cards.

Did you not see the Ceremonial Duel which shows Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl talking to Atem?

As for Red-Eyes, again I think that ties into Yugi's concept of "a card's heart" (or heart of the cards). It's not that the Red-Eyes inherited the soul of a person or ancient spirit monster. It's that by playing with the card side-by-side, Jounouchi poured so much of his hopes and passion for battle into it that it developed a kind of empathic attachment to him. A mind of it's own, so to speak.

Whatever the reason, that still shows Red Eyes as having more of a spirit than just any normal card. That's exactly it, and that shows that Red Eyes is more than just any mere card.

^ yes and that thing was waay more believable(for the YGO!verse back then) and cool than the "CARD SPIRITS FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION"!!one!!11.1 idea/cliche EVER was.

Originally Posted by DARKMASTER

^ yes and that thing was waay more believable and cool than the "CARD SPIRITS FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION"!!one!!11.1 idea/cliche EVER was.

Exactly, it was done tastefully. You didn't have Red Eyes holding conversations with Jou, or appearing outside of the deck, telling him things. And Jou didn't look like he was schizophrenic, talking to his imaginary friend nobody else could see.

Certain cards in DM had spirits and/or hearts. And they manifested their personalities in subtle, yet quirky ways. The Harpie Ladies did too, to an extent as well.

I'm pretty sure they TRIED to put that in Judai's relationship with his E-Heroes. Well ONLY with them. The Spacians completely ruined it.

Originally Posted by DARKMASTER

I'm pretty sure they TRIED to put that in Judai's relationship with his E-Heroes. Well ONLY with them. The Spacians completely ruined it.

Yeah, I gave up hope when they showed Judai eating lunch with the Neo-Spacians by himself while Sho and Kenzan looked at him as if he was out of his mind.

That's real healthy. Eating lunch and holding conversations with your cards from space. Yeah....