Thread: Timeline of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Series

Alright here's my speculation on the Yu-Gi-Oh timeline. It's just my opinion and not fact. I came up with timeline from several episodes of GX featuring documents stating GX is about 10 into the future and GX begining in 2004. If you disagree that's fine.

Yu-Gi-Oh: 1992 - 1994/1995
Yu-Gi-Oh GX: 2004 -2006/2007
Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's: Between 2021 - 2028

I'm pretty sure the timeline inbetween the Memory World and the Ceremonial Duel was never specified in the manga. I think it was in the anime, though, but I'm pretty fuzzy on it right now.

Originally Posted by Rikku-chan

Alright here's my speculation on the Yu-Gi-Oh timeline. It's just my opinion and not fact. I came up with timeline from several episodes of GX featuring documents stating GX is about 10 into the future and GX begining in 2004. If you disagree that's fine.

Yu-Gi-Oh: 1992 - 1994/1995
Yu-Gi-Oh GX: 2004 -2006/2007
Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's: Between 2021 - 2028

Hmm. Was that "10 years" thing stated anywhere, like by Takahashi?

Regarding 5D's and 2021, I'm not entirely sure if we can take that as an actual date. It was shown along with shop titles, and I think it would look differently were it an actual display for the date. Like, "Today is the XXth of [Month], 2021 in Neo Domino City" would make more sense. It would also mean Zero Reverse took place in 2004, during GX's time, which is clearly impossible, unless 5D's is an AU stemming from the DM era. Besides, there have been examples for shop names being numbers, such as 109 in Shibuya.

Originally Posted by JACK_ATLUS

I'm pretty sure the timeline inbetween the Memory World and the Ceremonial Duel was never specified in the manga. I think it was in the anime, though, but I'm pretty fuzzy on it right now.

If you can look it up and find it, let me know.

Originally Posted by Rikku-chan

Alright here's my speculation on the Yu-Gi-Oh timeline. It's just my opinion and not fact. I came up with timeline from several episodes of GX featuring documents stating GX is about 10 into the future and GX begining in 2004. If you disagree that's fine.

Yu-Gi-Oh: 1992 - 1994/1995
Yu-Gi-Oh GX: 2004 -2006/2007
Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's: Between 2021 - 2028

Just 2021? So Juudai and Yami can be still alive. I don`t think it is a future so close as you can see, Kaibacorp don`t seems like having Seto. o_o

After watching 220 again, it looks like the Ceremonial Battle begins the day right after the Memory World Game of Darkness ends.

If Zero Reverse happened 17 years before 2021, then that would put it at happening durring the year 2004. Judai has been to Domino City twice since he began Duel Academy in 2004, so that can't be right.

Originally Posted by JACK_ATLUS

I'm pretty sure the timeline inbetween the Memory World and the Ceremonial Duel was never specified in the manga. I think it was in the anime, though, but I'm pretty fuzzy on it right now.

The Ceremonial Duel is a month after the Memory World, in the manga.

Originally Posted by JACK_ATLUS

After watching 220 again, it looks like the Ceremonial Battle begins the day right after the Memory World Game of Darkness ends.

If Zero Reverse happened 17 years before 2021, then that would put it at happening durring the year 2004. Judai has been to Domino City twice since he began Duel Academy in 2004, so that can't be right.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

The Ceremonial Duel is a month after the Memory World, in the manga.

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. :]

The DM series couldn't have taken too long. From the beginning of the series to the DDM arc, about one year must have passed because Yugi states they have advanced a grade (1-B -> 2-B), and the Gospel of Truth (which was written sometime during Battle City) states they are in the second grade as well. (However, if Sugoroku is 72 years old during this "after one year" period, that would mean the series started in 1991, not 1992, thus moving back every event by a year. Whoops. Thankfully, it is fairly easy to edit.

EDIT: Or actually, I'm not quite sure... what would you say, 1991 or 1992?

The events themselves aren't that long, either - both Duelist Kingdom and Battle City didn't last too long (3 and 2 days respectively), although I'm unsure about Memory World. (The game itself didn't last long, did it? I mean, a good while may have passed inside the game, but not outside time.) So after Memory World, a month passes and then the Cermonial Duel occurs. Granted, the anime theoretically messes with the timeline by adding in the fillers (as well as R itself).

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

The Ceremonial Duel is a month after the Memory World, in the manga.

Yeah, because unlike in the anime where they were already in Egypt because the Tablet of Memories had been shipped back there while they had been wasting away so much time on filler arcs, originally in the manga the entire Memory World arc took place in Domino Museum. So it was a month later that they finally took a trip to Egypt to see the tablet that the Millennium Items came from and to have Atem's final duel.

Thanks a lot for the wiki page Arynis ! I didn't know Ryo and Judai states the time in episode 156 !

English version of Gospel of Truth states characters are in second year school ? In French version, it states characters are in first year school. Who has right ? Because GX states there 10 years old after Duel Monsters, I understand better why I had wrong in my timeline in 5d's topic !

Originally Posted by Allana

Thanks a lot for the wiki page Arynis ! I didn't know Ryo and Judai states the time in episode 156 !

English version of Gospel of Truth states characters are in second year school ? In French version, it states characters are in first year school. Who has right ? Because GX states there 10 years old after Duel Monsters, I understand better why I had wrong in my timeline in 5d's topic !

It does? In the Japanese version of the Gospel of Truth, it clearly says second year. (There's no English version, as far as I know.)

When did GX state that? Because I still don't know. XD;

I'm trying to work out how to fit Doma in the timeline. Now, I have no problem with adding Atlantis to it, more or less (BC 10000), but then yesterday someone reminded me about the plothole with Raphael possessing Duel Monsters cards when he clearly shouldn't have. Then there's KC Grand Prix, where Saruwatari was with Gozaburo when Kaiba was little (which is obviously not possible), or when Pegasus shook hands with Kaiba for creating Solid Vision (making Duelist Kingdom look even more messed up in that department).

Which brings us the question: Include the anime fillers or not? Shall they be included, but omit the plothole parts (the "manga takes priority" rule) or leave them out completely?

Originally Posted by Arynis

It does? In the Japanese version of the Gospel of Truth, it clearly says second year. (There's no English version, as far as I know.)

When did GX state that? Because I still don't know. XD;

I'm trying to work out how to fit Doma in the timeline. Now, I have no problem with adding Atlantis to it, more or less (BC 10000), but then someone reminded me yesterday about the plothole with Raphael possessing Duel Monsters cards when he clearly shouldn't have. Then there's KC Grand Prix, where Saruwatari was with Gozaburo when Kaiba was little (which is obviously not possible), or when Pegasus shook hands with Kaiba for creating Solid Vision (making Duelist Kingdom look even more messed up in that department).

Which brings us the question: Include the anime fillers or not? Shall they be included, but omit the plothole parts (the "manga takes priority" rule) or leave them out completely?

So, there a mistake in French version.

For GX's episode 156, the date is shown at beginning of the episode, when Chronos and the director looks students's folders. Ryo's dossier indicates he is graduated in 2004 and Judai's dossier shows he arrived in 2004 at Duel Academy.

In episode 156, look at 2:27 to 2:37 in the first part

For KC Grand Prix and Atlantis, events aren't officials. But they owns at Duel Monsters series. If a timeline is stated for theses arcs, I think it is possible to integrate them.

Originally Posted by Allana

So, there a mistake in French version.

For GX's episode 156, the date is shown at beginning of the episode, when Chronos and the director looks students's folders. Ryo's dossier indicates he is graduated in 2004 and Judai's dossier shows he arrived in 2004 at Duel Academy.

Here a link: 2:27 at 2:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLu4KswXTQY

For KC Grand Prix and Atlantis, events aren't officials. But they owns at Duel Monsters series. If a timeline is stated for theses arcs, I think it is possible to integrate them.

I meant the ten year thing, not the 2004 thing in episode 156. Sorry for not being clear about it.

I think the timelines could be figured out somehow (like how long the events lasted), but I haven't seen too many episodes from those arcs thus can't say too much about them.

Originally Posted by Arynis

but then yesterday someone reminded me about the plothole with Raphael possessing Duel Monsters cards when he clearly shouldn't have. Then there's KC Grand Prix, where Saruwatari was with Gozaburo when Kaiba was little (which is obviously not possible), or when Pegasus shook hands with Kaiba for creating Solid Vision (making Duelist Kingdom look even more messed up in that department).

Which brings us the question: Include the anime fillers or not? Shall they be included, but omit the plothole parts (the "manga takes priority" rule) or leave them out completely?

Would you mind explaining how the above statements are impossible? I was under the impression that Duel Monsters was by no means a new game, and Raphael can't have been more than mid-twenties in DOMA, surely. Presuming that Raphael isn't Japanese (which, considering his name, isn't that much of a stretch), he could well have grown up with Duel Monsters. And then as well, Kaiba isn't that old, so I fail to see the impossibility of Saruwatari being around when Kaiba was young, especially since his age is a mystery. And Solid Vision was created a few months into the first 7 volumes wasn't it? And I'm sure those events spanned quite a while, so it's not that inconcievable for the duel boxes to be implimented on Duellist Kingdom Island before the tournament. In fact, I think the transition from Spinning Tops of Magic Sparkles to Wrist-attatching Game Mats in what seems like no more than a couple of months (especially considering Kaiba went through some psychological trauma in this period) is a lot less believable... Not to mention the sudden wave of Duel Monsters addiction between its first appearance where is had 'a small following in Japan' to insanely huge amounts of people playing and determining many aspects of their life on it (unless we assume that many of the Duellist Kingdom competitors are American...).

Originally Posted by Arynis

I meant the ten year thing, not the 2004 thing in episode 156. Sorry for not being clear about it.

I think the timelines could be figured out somehow (like how long the events lasted), but I haven't seen too many episodes from those arcs thus can't say too much about them.

I understand better. Doma Arc mentionned a timeline ?

Originally Posted by DarkYami

Would you mind explaining how the above statements are impossible? I was under the impression that Duel Monsters was by no means a new game, and Raphael can't have been more than mid-twenties in DOMA, surely. Presuming that Raphael isn't Japanese (which, considering his name, isn't that much of a stretch), he could well have grown up with Duel Monsters. And then as well, Kaiba isn't that old, so I fail to see the impossibility of Saruwatari being around when Kaiba was young, especially since his age is a mystery. And Solid Vision was created a few months into the first 7 volumes wasn't it? And I'm sure those events spanned quite a while, so it's not that inconcievable for the duel boxes to be implimented on Duellist Kingdom Island before the tournament. In fact, I think the transition from Spinning Tops of Magic Sparkles to Wrist-attatching Game Mats in what seems like no more than a couple of months (especially considering Kaiba went through some psychological trauma in this period) is a lot less believable... Not to mention the sudden wave of Duel Monsters addiction between its first appearance where is had 'a small following in Japan' to insanely huge amounts of people playing and determining many aspects of their life on it (unless we assume that many of the Duellist Kingdom competitors are American...).

The case with Raphael, he looks quite young in the flashback, maybe about ten years old. Pegasus created the game 7 years before the present day events, which would make Raphael at least 13 if he were 20 years old. If he were 25, that would make him 18 years old at the time of the card game's creation, which clearly doesn't add up with the flashback. So he's either a case of Older Than He Looks, which means he's actually not that old thus it's possible he was that young when he got the cards, or it's a possible plothole.

The issue with Saruwatari being with Gozaburo is that Saruwatari was a spy sent by I2. However, Kaiba and Mokuba were adopted by Gozaburo before Duel Monsters existed (according to the timeline, Pegasus went to Egypt in the same year, 1986). Now, it is also true he may have founded I2 in the same year, but Kaiba Corporation didn't invest in the technology at this point I2 needed for the card game later on, as it was a military company. Pegasus was interested in KC because of the Solid Vision technology, which Kaiba didn't work on until mid-Duelist Kingdom. Pegasus wasn't even interested in obtaining KC until the events of Death-T. (Although I2 did team up with KC for the creation of the Duel Box, but this didn't occur until 1992.) Thus, there was no point (and it wouldn't have been reasonable) to send Saruwatari to KC at the time.

Solid Vision, as I mentioned above, wasn't developed until mid-Duelist Kingdom. Pegasus set up Duelist Kingdom to beat Yugi and be able to take over KC to access their Solid Vision technology to create a realistic image of Cyndia. The Duel Box technology was much more primitive, as those were holograms only and the images were only limited to the Duel Box itself (meaning one couldn't make use of the technology anywhere, like the Duel Disk). If Solid Vision already existed before Duelist Kingdom, it would make Pegasus' goal somewhat pointless, as he could just grab a (prototype) Duel Disk and do whatever he wanted. To be fair, the technology of the Duel Rings in the anime don't look too different from the Duel Disk's, apart from the fact that you can carry the latter around with ease. So you could say the anime adaptation of Duelist Kingdom already fiddled with Pegasus' goal. Unless, of course, the Duel Box's and the Duel Disk's technology were both referred to as Solid Vision, but that makes things somewhat confusing.

Originally Posted by Allana

I understand better. Doma Arc mentionned a timeline ?

Not that I can recall, but you could figure it out by checking what events happened during each day (I think you can follow that, to an extent). However, as I said earlier, I'm not that familiar with the Doma arc, so I'll leave it to someone else. (Or after I finally catch up a few ages later from now...)

Originally Posted by Arynis

The case with Raphael, he looks quite young in the flashback, maybe about ten years old. Pegasus created the game 7 years before the present day events, which would make Raphael at least 13 if he were 20 years old. If he were 25, that would make him 18 years old at the time of the card game's creation, which clearly doesn't add up with the flashback. So he's either a case of Older Than He Looks, which means he's actually not that old thus it's possible he was that young when he got the cards, or it's a possible plothole.

How do we know it was only 7 years ago? Fair enough, he met Cynthia in 1978, but we don't know the age at which they met. Although short, they look no younger that Raphael did in his flashback, and I would have placed their age at around 12/13, which would push back the development of Duel Monsters by 2/3 years. Assuming Raphael is 20 (which is actually plausible, as he doesn't look much older than Kaiba, although the muscles give the illusion), that would place him as 10/11 in his flashback, a fitting age.

Originally Posted by Arynis

The issue with Saruwatari being with Gozaburo is that Saruwatari was a spy sent by I2. However, Kaiba and Mokuba were adopted by Gozaburo before Duel Monsters existed (according to the timeline, Pegasus went to Egypt in the same year, 1986). Now, it is also true he may have founded I2 in the same year, but Kaiba Corporation didn't invest in the technology at this point I2 needed for the card game later on, as it was a military company. Pegasus was interested in KC because of the Solid Vision technology, which Kaiba didn't work on until mid-Duelist Kingdom. Pegasus wasn't even interested in obtaining KC until the events of Death-T. (Although I2 did team up with KC for the creation of the Duel Box, but this didn't occur until 1992.) Thus, there was no point (and it wouldn't have been reasonable) to send Saruwatari to KC at the time.

Solid Vision, as I mentioned above, wasn't developed until mid-Duelist Kingdom. Pegasus set up Duelist Kingdom to beat Yugi and be able to take over KC to access their Solid Vision technology to create a realistic image of Cyndia. The Duel Box technology was much more primitive, as those were holograms only and the images were only limited to the Duel Box itself (meaning one couldn't make use of the technology anywhere, like the Duel Disk). If Solid Vision already existed before Duelist Kingdom, it would make Pegasus' goal somewhat pointless, as he could just grab a (prototype) Duel Disk and do whatever he wanted. To be fair, the technology of the Duel Rings in the anime don't look too different from the Duel Disk's, apart from the fact that you can carry the latter around with ease. So you could say the anime adaptation of Duelist Kingdom already fiddled with Pegasus' goal. Unless, of course, the Duel Box's and the Duel Disk's technology were both referred to as Solid Vision, but that makes things somewhat confusing.

Aha, now these I accept. I though it was purely age/timing issues that related to this, not that there were particular motives behind it. But yes, even if you consider what I've stated above, pushing back I2's formation, such an infiltration would be nonsensical. So, yeah, I call plothole and writer stupidity on that.

As for the next one, again, apologies, I confused Solid-Vision with the generic hologram technology of the duel boxes. Again, I think that may well be a writing error, in that his congratulation should have been on the hologram technology, rather than Solid Vision.

Originally Posted by DarkYami

How do we know it was only 7 years ago? Fair enough, he met Cynthia in 1978, but we don't know the age at which they met. Although short, they look no younger that Raphael did in his flashback, and I would have placed their age at around 12/13, which would push back the development of Duel Monsters by 2/3 years. Assuming Raphael is 20 (which is actually plausible, as he doesn't look much older than Kaiba, although the muscles give the illusion), that would place him as 10/11 in his flashback, a fitting age.

Pegasus stated during Duelist Kingdom (he is 24 years old at this point) he created Duel Monsters 7 years ago.

Originally Posted by Pegasus, Duel 129, Volume 15

I got the idea for Duel Monsters seven years ago, when I visited Egypt's Valley of the Kings. There's a legend that three thousand years ago, Egyptian magicians had to seal monsters in stone tablets... and summon them to fight battles in the Pharaoh's court. The magicians eventually died out, and the magic stone tablets fell asleep... deep below the earth. But the legend was recorded in the Book of Thoth... and passed down from generation to generation... eventually inspiring the Tarot cards! It's said that all card games sprang from this source! I created Duel Monsters to bring this ancient game to modern times, and now that we each face a worthy opponent, I may be able to recreate the ancient battles at last!

We know from Duel 132 he visited the Valley of Kings after Cyndia died at the age of 17, shortly after Pegasus' 17th birthday, so the ages match up.

As for Pegasus' and Cyndia's ages:

Originally Posted by Pegasus, Duel 132, Volume 15

Cyndia, that is her name... She died seven years ago... My beloved Cyndia who left this world at the tender age of 17. Cyndia...

I met her fourteen years ago. My father was immensely wealthy. He managed a casino in Las Vegas. At night he would take my hand and attend fancy social functions. That is where I met Cyndia, the daughter of my father's wealthy friend. [...] But soon after I turned seventeen... Cyndia got sick and left this world.

That makes him ten years old when he met Cyndia. And because she and Pegasus were both 17 at the time of her death, it can be said she was also ten years old at the time of their meeting. (Although it's possible she's slightly older than him, but that can be ignored for now.)

Originally Posted by DarkYami

Aha, now these I accept. I though it was purely age/timing issues that related to this, not that there were particular motives behind it. But yes, even if you consider what I've stated above, pushing back I2's formation, such an infiltration would be nonsensical. So, yeah, I call plothole and writer stupidity on that.

As for the next one, again, apologies, I confused Solid-Vision with the generic hologram technology of the duel boxes. Again, I think that may well be a writing error, in that his congratulation should have been on the hologram technology, rather than Solid Vision.

No worries. And yes, the flashback would make more sense if it said "DUEL BOX" or something. (Funnily enough, Siegfried's technology resembled the Duel Box quite a lot.)

Oh Yu-Gi-Oh, why must your major events happen in such a stupidly short time-frame? Who really thinks Pegasus looks 24? I would have placed him at around 30-32.
But yeah, following our explorations of these plotholes, I'm tempted to say forget the anime. The problem is, however, knowing if the DM anime is canon to the GX anime, et al. There are no references to DOMA, Noah, or KCGP in GX, so we could go for manga canon only in terms of DM, and since it has ended, there's not much chance of any popping up now... It's purely a choice thing really. More complicated, or less complicated?

Originally Posted by DarkYami

Oh Yu-Gi-Oh, why must your major events happen in such a stupidly short time-frame? Who really thinks Pegasus looks 24? I would have placed him at around 30-32.
But yeah, following our explorations of these plotholes, I'm tempted to say forget the anime. The problem is, however, knowing if the DM anime is canon to the GX anime, et al. There are no references to DOMA, Noah, or KCGP in GX, so we could go for manga canon only in terms of DM, and since it has ended, there's not much chance of any popping up now... It's purely a choice thing really. More complicated, or less complicated?

Hehe, you're not the only person who'd put Pegasus at that age. I used to think he was around 30, too.

But then again, one could be surprised at the things Kaiba has done, and he's only 16 years old, if we go by the fact that everyone in Yugi's class is the same age as Yugi, 16 years old. If you put the dates of birth in order, he comes out youngest out of the bunch, even!

I guess some people just mature really quick in this series.

The only connection between the DM anime and the GX anime is that Pegasus was kept alive in the anime, thus he could make appearances in GX as well. Also, I think GX's "Duel Monster dimensions" were inspired by Doma's "Duel Monster World". I suppose the fillers could be left out, with a note about them that they do exist and they did happen, but it's too difficult to fit them into the timeline properly for a few reasons, including plotholes and bad writing.

Originally Posted by Arynis

The only connection between the DM anime and the GX anime is that Pegasus was kept alive in the anime, thus he could make appearances in GX as well. Also, I think GX's "Duel Monster dimensions" were inspired by Doma's "Duel Monster World". I suppose the fillers could be left out, with a note about them that they do exist and they did happen, but it's too difficult to fit them into the timeline properly for a few reasons, including plotholes and bad writing.

Oh god, I'm -such- an idiot. How did I forget Pegasus' death? I read that in a cafe, and I'm sure I was getting some strange looks... XD#
Yeah, I'd go for the ignore the plothole route.

Originally Posted by DarkYami

Oh god, I'm -such- an idiot. How did I forget Pegasus' death? I read that in a cafe, and I'm sure I was getting some strange looks... XD#
Yeah, I'd go for the ignore the plothole route.

Hey now, we all forget stuff like that now and then. XD

Good stuff. I'll add the notice to the page, then.

If Ryo is graduated in 2004, the school year didn't starts in 2003 ?

Originally Posted by Allana

If Ryo is graduated in 2004, the school year didn't starts in 2003 ?

Ryo started studying at the Academia in 2002. It says right on his "MISSING" paper.

You could say that the Duel Academia was built 9 years after the end of the series, although we don't know exactly when the school was set up. Judai's story (and GX's story) begins in 2004, when he starts school and his first year.

I think DA was built durring the DM timeline. Kaiba did have alot of projects going on at the time so DA was built between 1992/93 - 1997 is my guess.

Originally Posted by Rikku-chan

I think DA was built durring the DM timeline. Kaiba did have alot of projects going on at the time so DA was built between 1992/93 - 1997 is my guess.

True. And the Academia is pretty huge to build, to add.

(What makes me wonder though, wasn't Kaiba's dream Kaiba Land? So where did the idea to build a school came from? Other than Takahashi's decision, anyhow. XD)

Originally Posted by Arynis

Ryo started studying at the Academia in 2002. It says right on his "MISSING" paper.

You could say that the Duel Academia was built 9 years after the end of the series, although we don't know exactly when the school was set up. Judai's story (and GX's story) begins in 2004, when he starts school and his first year.

It corresponds at two years instead of three. Ryo didn't study one year ?

Originally Posted by Allana

It corresponds at two years instead of three. Ryo didn't study one year ?

Ryo's years were the following:

2002 - He starts his studies.
2002-2003 - First year
2003-2004 - Second year
He graduated at the end of season 1 (which is years 2004-2005), which would possibly make his third year 2004-2005.

Actually, I have reason to believe that 5D's takes place a short time after the events of GX, not the 100-150 years many people are saying. Anyone who has seen ep 14 of 5D's will remember the scene where there is a random duel going on and the winner of the duel looks and sounds like Joey Wheeler. One of the men in the crowd asks if the winner is Joey Wheeler, but his pal say's its not but it's Joey's cousin, Jessie Wheeler. Joey's cousin looks like he's in his 30's, so depending on the age difference, Joey must still be alive, which means Yugi, Jaden and co are still alive as well. Also, it looks like he achieved his dream of becoming a top duelist since people seem to know him.

I would like to add that this was in the English dub, so'll I'll check the original dub to see if it's the same.

Also, if this is correct, and Joey and co are still alive, than something dramatic must have happened in the world of dueling to make it advance so much.

Originally Posted by Leonardo10

Actually, I have reason to believe that 5D's takes place a short time after the events of GX, not the 100-150 years many people are saying. Anyone who has seen ep 14 of 5D's will remember the scene where there is a random duel going on and the winner of the duel looks and sounds like Joey Wheeler. One of the men in the crowd asks if the winner is Joey Wheeler, but his pal say's its not but it's Joey's cousin, Jessie Wheeler. Joey's cousin looks like he's in his 30's, so depending on the age difference, Joey must still be alive, which means Yugi, Jaden and co are still alive as well. Also, it looks like he achieved his dream of becoming a top duelist since people seem to know him.

I would like to add that this was in the English dub, so'll I'll check the original dub to see if it's the same.

Also, if this is correct, and Joey and co are still alive, than something dramatic must have happened in the world of dueling to make it advance so much.

No, Joey Wheeler has no cousin in the original version. It's an invention of the dubbed version.

Originally Posted by Allana

No, Joey Wheeler has no cousin in the original version. It's an invention of the dubbed version.

Maybe 4kids know something we don't. It wouldn't surprise me if they did. But nevertheless, I highly doubt that 100 years has passed between GX and 5D's. I'm willing to bet my house on 30 years at most. Pople say that a city like New Domino cannot be built in less than 100 years, but they forget how extremley advanced the human race has become. With our technologhy, we could actually build a city like New Domino in no time.

Originally Posted by Leonardo10

Maybe 4kids know something we don't. It wouldn't surprise me if they did. But nevertheless, I highly doubt that 100 years has passed between GX and 5D's. I'm willing to bet my house on 30 years at most. Pople say that a city like New Domino cannot be built in less than 100 years, but they forget how extremley advanced the human race has become. With our technologhy, we could actually build a city like New Domino in no time.

It's definitely not 100 years. If we go by the 5D's manga, it said 20XX, not 2XXX. GX ended in 2007. The date 5D's takes place in could be anything, with the maximum year being 2099 and the Zero Reverse occurring in 2082. You're right about the construction time, though. And since we're talking about fiction, that makes things even easier.

And as Allana said, the cousin thing was dub only. In the original, this was likely a simple Easter Egg like the names in Episode 1 (eg. Pirates Keith).

Originally Posted by Leonardo10

Maybe 4kids know something we don't. It wouldn't surprise me if they did. But nevertheless, I highly doubt that 100 years has passed between GX and 5D's. I'm willing to bet my house on 30 years at most. Pople say that a city like New Domino cannot be built in less than 100 years, but they forget how extremley advanced the human race has become. With our technologhy, we could actually build a city like New Domino in no time.

You're right about the speed of the construction.

Even If 4kids know something, it isn't in their interest to reveal it.

Originally Posted by Arynis

It's definitely not 100 years. If we go by the 5D's manga, it said 20XX, not 2XXX. GX ended in 2007. The date 5D's takes place in could be anything, with the maximum year being 2099 and the Zero Reverse occurring in 2082. You're right about the construction time, though. And since we're talking about fiction, that makes things even easier.

And as Allana said, the cousin thing was dub only. In the original, this was likely a simple Easter Egg like the names in Episode 1 (eg. Pirates Keith).

Exactly. Since Yugioh is fiction, a city like New Domino could be built in an instant. Everything dosen't have to be done in real time. Like I said, Yugioh 5D's is set 30 years in the future at the most. Yugi and co still live, but they have no role in this story.

Originally Posted by DarkYami

And Solid Vision was created a few months into the first 7 volumes wasn't it? And I'm sure those events spanned quite a while, so it's not that inconcievable for the duel boxes to be implimented on Duellist Kingdom Island before the tournament. In fact, I think the transition from Spinning Tops of Magic Sparkles to Wrist-attatching Game Mats in what seems like no more than a couple of months (especially considering Kaiba went through some psychological trauma in this period) is a lot less believable... Not to mention the sudden wave of Duel Monsters addiction between its first appearance where is had 'a small following in Japan' to insanely huge amounts of people playing and determining many aspects of their life on it (unless we assume that many of the Duellist Kingdom competitors are American...).

Well, in the manga Solid Vision wasn't invented until Kaiba's "spinning-top" Duel Disk. The duel boxes they used in Death-T and Duelist Kingdom didn't create volumetric holograms that took up physical space. They projected 3D images off of the walls of the glass cube (sort of like how real-life virtual reality actually works).

For the DM anime they wanted everything to be "Solid Vision" from the beginning so they included that scene showing Kaiba shaking hands on a deal to give Pegasus those huge duel rings based on the Solid Vision technology before Duelist Kingdom. (Although, I don't think they actually say that, but there doesn't appear to be any distinguishable difference. Kaiba still goes through his explanation of why Solid Vision is so much better when we first see the original Duel Disk, though.).

Of course this completely undermined the entire premise of the series, because it's eventually revealed that Pegasus wanted to take control of Kaiba Corporation to get his hands on the Solid Vision System. Why the hell would he need to do that if he had already made such a business deal with Kaiba? Besides the obvious fact that he's clearly a madman...

Well anyway, ignore this. It's not really a plothole.

Originally Posted by russ869

Well, in the manga Solid Vision wasn't invented until Kaiba's "spinning-top" Duel Disk. The duel boxes they used in Death-T and Duelist Kingdom didn't create volumetric holograms that took up physical space. They projected 3D images off of the walls of the glass cube (sort of like how real-life virtual reality actually works).

For the DM anime they wanted everything to be "Solid Vision" from the beginning so they included that scene showing Kaiba shaking hands on a deal to give Pegasus those huge duel rings based on the Solid Vision technology before Duelist Kingdom. (Although, I don't think they actually say that, but there doesn't appear to be any distinguishable difference. Kaiba still goes through his explanation of why Solid Vision is so much better when we first see the original Duel Disk, though.).

Of course this completely undermined the entire premise of the series, because it's eventually revealed that Pegasus wanted to take control of Kaiba Corporation to get his hands on the Solid Vision System. Why the hell would he need to do that if he had already made such a business deal with Kaiba? Besides the obvious fact that he's clearly a madman...

Well anyway, ignore this. It's not really a plothole.

It isn't?

Also, it appears the movie clarified the time axis between DM, GX and 5D's, which means we can have a proper timeline now! HOORAY! Time to rejoice, no more date guessing! (Or less date guessing, anyhow.)

Originally Posted by Arynis

It isn't?

Also, it appears the movie clarified the time axis between DM, GX and 5D's, which means we can have a proper timeline now! HOORAY! Time to rejoice, no more date guessing! (Or less date guessing, anyhow.)

Awesome ! The certain that the timeline is definitively etablished ? It's very unexpected !

Originally Posted by Allana

Awesome ! The certain that the timeline is definitively etablished ? It's very unexpected !

It appears so! But we'll need to see the movie for ourselves to find out the answer. (Or a really good summary...)

With no idea on this timeline mentioned from the movie, I'd have to estimate if 2021 means anything in 5D's, I'd say it would be the date of the year Zero Reverse, and could be a "2021, NEVER FORGET" sort of thing (Such as 9/11 is now ingrained as a major date for America), which would put... 5D's roughly in the area of 2039/2040 or so, which would allow for some its more advanced than modern day Tech, while seeming still fairly normal and no flying cars and what not.

Er, not to throw yet ANOTHER wrench into things, but in manga, Kaiba states that Duel Monsters was created in "the early 90s."

Also, if you put a 3-5 year buffer at the end of GX for Momentum to be researched and built, then continue the 5Ds timeline from there starting with ZR, the events of "present-day 5Ds" would be placed in the 2030s, which is how I usually do it.

Originally Posted by LeArk

With no idea on this timeline mentioned from the movie, I'd have to estimate if 2021 means anything in 5D's, I'd say it would be the date of the year Zero Reverse, and could be a "2021, NEVER FORGET" sort of thing (Such as 9/11 is now ingrained as a major date for America), which would put... 5D's roughly in the area of 2039/2040 or so, which would allow for some its more advanced than modern day Tech, while seeming still fairly normal and no flying cars and what not.

Hmm, that's an interesting explanation on that sign! That could be possible, indeed.

Originally Posted by technicolornina

Er, not to throw yet ANOTHER wrench into things, but in manga, Kaiba states that Duel Monsters was created in "the early 90s."

Also, if you put a 3-5 year buffer at the end of GX for Momentum to be researched and built, then continue the 5Ds timeline from there starting with ZR, the events of "present-day 5Ds" would be placed in the 2030s, which is how I usually do it.

Wait, what?

...Hmm. Which volume was this? But in that case, the canon would contradict itself - the evidence I gathered would put the present day in 1992, and those evidence came from Takahashi and the manga. If this is an earlier chapter, could this be another case of "Takahashi making things up as he went along"?

If it's a later chapter, then... I have no idea what would happen now.

Erm. I don't remember the exact volume, but I THINK it was during Battle City, when Kaiba freaks out on the Ghouls. I know it was past the first 7 volumes, though, and I'm fairly certain it was late Duelist Kingdom at the earliest. Google is turning up nothing, but I think if you go between the actual START of Battle City (that is, when duels actually begin, not the preparation for it) and Yuugi vs Jyonouchi, you should find it. Sorry I can't be more helpful, it's been a long time since I read the manga I just remember that line distinctly because I remember thinking that if the "real-world" timeline and the "YGOverse" timeline coincided, then there was something very odd about the ages because it would make Kaiba a competitive player prior to Gozaburo's death.

Originally Posted by technicolornina

Erm. I don't remember the exact volume, but I THINK it was during Battle City, when Kaiba freaks out on the Ghouls. I know it was past the first 7 volumes, though, and I'm fairly certain it was late Duelist Kingdom at the earliest. Google is turning up nothing, but I think if you go between the actual START of Battle City (that is, when duels actually begin, not the preparation for it) and Yuugi vs Jyonouchi, you should find it. Sorry I can't be more helpful, it's been a long time since I read the manga I just remember that line distinctly because I remember thinking that if the "real-world" timeline and the "YGOverse" timeline coincided, then there was something very odd about the ages because it would make Kaiba a competitive player prior to Gozaburo's death.

*nod* Unfortunately, I don't have that part of the manga, so I can't verify.

Regarding the timeline itself, I'll try working out the movie's timeline once it's out for our entertainment.

The original manga and anime have a different time setting, akin to how the Harry Potter books and movies have a different one, so I don't think you should include the DM manga dates when factoring in GX and 5D's dates, but rather the Anime one (which is a couple years ahead to coincide with when the anime aired about, while the manga is when it started).

The Duel Monsters being created in the mid 90s thing, it was in volume 10 of YGO Duelist (AKA Volume 17 of the original release).
Kaiba says that during his meeting with Ichizu in the museum.

Of course, it's from the Viz translation, so if they added that bit of information, I wouldn't know.

If indeed that is a real line in the Japanese version too (and if it isn't, Viz were trolling hard that day; I have a reasonable amount of faith in them) then, wow. That's extremely important. Pretty much takes us back to the 1996 start.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

If indeed that is a real line in the Japanese version too (and if it isn't, Viz were trolling hard that day; I have a reasonable amount of faith in them) then, wow. That's extremely important. Pretty much takes us back to the 1996 start.

Ah... Oh well. So in that case, DM would become 1996-1997, then? With everyone's birthdays and other dates pushed 4 years later. (Due to 1992 -> 1996)

Originally Posted by Geno

The Duel Monsters being created in the mid 90s thing, it was in volume 10 of YGO Duelist (AKA Volume 17 of the original release).
Kaiba says that during his meeting with Ichizu in the museum.

Of course, it's from the Viz translation, so if they added that bit of information, I wouldn't know.

When you said Volume 17, It's the one where there Anzu's filler episode with Johnny Stepp ?

In French Version, I have no mention about the year of Magic and Wizard's creation in the scene when Kaiba met Isis (Ishizu in English) in the museum for the first time. The only date given is that Ishizu's organisation was created in 1858.

Originally Posted by Allana

When you said Volume 17, It's the one where there Anzu's filler episode with Johnny Stepp ?

In French Version, I have no mention about the year of Magic and Wizard's creation in the scene when Kaiba met Isis (Ishizu in English) in the museum for the first time. The only date given is that Ishizu's organisation was created in 1858.

Yes, that's the same volume.
No mention, that's interesting. Then it's likely Viz that mentioned that 90's bit.

Another interesting bit regarding translation is on the English volume, the year Ishizu mentioned was 1859.