Thread: Stupid Anime Details: Memory World

Not to mention Yami Bakura re-merging with his soul fragment in the Millennium Puzzle, making that whole sub plot utterly pointless. And then he posesses the Thief King Bakura and gets some ring-wraith rip-offs. W T F!?

althiugh i do say there are some better paers in the anime becuase making aknadin outlast zorc in the manga was dumb it was more climactic to see Atem vs Zorc as the last battle in the memory world conflict

add that kaiba was only included because he's arguably the most popular character in the series..i count that as fanservice..

There's a lot...I don't even know where to start....for the moment, I'll just say 'ancient duel disks' and Kaiba.

Originally Posted by girlwithnonick

add that kaiba was only included because he's arguably the most popular character in the series..i count that as fanservice..

If only it was animated well.
If only....

I love Memory's Arc QUALITY. lol

Let's not forget them putting MOAR Mana due to obvious DMG fanservices. =/

http://i35.tinypic.com/5anmrp.jpg

"Hey, dude. How big are the lapels on Kaiba's coat?"

"Pssh, hell if I know. Did you use the settei to clean your toilet again?"

"Yeah, I sure did. Well, screw it, we can do without them. *draws the scene thusly*"

"Wow, that looks awesome! Now, let's get back to work on drawing the rest of Zork's scenes."

^ ROFL, Horoko :D

I think the manga had a sarcophagus with Akunadin in it next to the table Atem and Dark Bakura were playing at, as well sarcophaguses with Yugi and his friends in them. I don't recall those being there in the anime... I could be wrong, though.

Useless cheese. Stuff of legend.

Originally Posted by JuJube

Useless cheese. Stuff of legend.

You mean cheese of chesses? :V

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

You mean cheese of chesses? :V

Considering all of the plot holes, I do believe this is what we call SWISS CHEESE!

Badum-ching XD

Originally Posted by Geno

If only....

Hey, don't laugh... that pic is considered god in the YGO MAD vids. >:U

xD;;

ah I thit thi think that the addishun (addition?) of Giyunt Giant Axe Mummy was nessusary and added to the simbolisem important symbolism of thestory. Becuz heis a giant mummy wit an axe.

Seriously they wasted like half an episode of what could have been manga content with an attack by random Egyptian-themed monsters from the OCG/TCG.

Comedy perhaps?

"Those American's will never fully understand the meanings in this manga, so for the children we will add a giant mummy to scare Jounouchi and the others. This way they can laugh." -Random director.

*sweatdrops*

One thing I noticed was that they at least didn't rush the ending, and gave Kisara's and Set's story something extra rather then the rushed stuff in the manga. (And yes it was rushed, Takahashi said so in the new editions at the end.)

Originally Posted by Geno

If only it was animated well.

This reminds me a bit on an old Dracula movie and a bit of Spawn X).

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

One thing I noticed was that they at least didn't rush the ending, and gave Kisara's and Set's story something extra rather then the rushed stuff in the manga. (And yes it was rushed, Takahashi said so in the new editions at the end.)

They did add some stuff, but they also cut Seto rescuing her from the palace, and thus vital Kisara dialogue Also, somehow in the anime she was able to summon Blue-Eyes against Zorc Necrophades. Wasn't the whole point of Kisara that her Ba and Ka were linked, meaning she couldn't consciously summon it?

oh, one more thing:
how did yami and bakura end up in the space void of anime non-continuity (tm) while it showed earlier that both their spirits went off to the memory world, meaning there was no-one left to set up the game or anything..at least in the manga that got explained

also, they seem to change their mind about who they want bakura to be..at 1st they say he's TK then at the end they say he's zork...thank you for the confusion ,anime!

this series was pretty headacke-inducing anyway, especially that shadi -multiple people thing..

Originally Posted by girlwithnonick

oh, one more thing:
how did yami and bakura end up in the space void of anime non-continuity (tm) while it showed earlier that both their spirits went off to the memory world, meaning there was no-one left to set up the game or anything..at least in the manga that got explained

also, they seem to change their mind about who they want bakura to be..at 1st they say he's TK then at the end they say he's zork...thank you for the confusion ,anime!

this series was pretty headacke-inducing anyway, especially that shadi -multiple people thing..

That seemed to be a problem in both the anime and manga.

Bakura and Shadi had some serious identity crisis' going.

The anime completely got Bakura's origin and purpose in the whole arc wrong, making him just be Zorc incarnate when he's really just a human like Akinadin who's made a contract with Zorc and thus has some of Zorc's power.

It'd be like them saying Atem is really just Horakhty. Thief King Bakura is just a thief who's been infused with powers from Zorc. He made a contract with Zorc in order to gain power and get revenge.

Originally Posted by girlwithnonick

oh, one more thing:
how did yami and bakura end up in the space void of anime non-continuity (tm) while it showed earlier that both their spirits went off to the memory world, meaning there was no-one left to set up the game or anything..at least in the manga that got explained

Considering Bakura's ability with the Millennium Ring is "Parasite Mind" which allows him to break a piece of his soul off and infuse it into other things to work for him, it makes perfect sense for him to be in the real world, while the other piece of his soul plays in the Memory World. He states this during the bit where Yugi's puzzle got smashed by Keith and Bakura put a piece of his soul in the piece he handed to Yugi during Battle City. As for Atem, since they are *his* memories, he's naturally able to play them himself while also observe them from the real world, since its taking place in his puzzle.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

The anime completely got Bakura's origin and purpose in the whole arc wrong, making him just be Zorc incarnate when he's really just a human like Akinadin who's made a contract with Zorc and thus has some of Zorc's power.

It'd be like them saying Atem is really just Horakhty. Thief King Bakura is just a thief who's been infused with powers from Zorc. He made a contract with Zorc in order to gain power and get revenge.

Yet Thief King Bakura was not the critter sealed in the Millennium Ring (Yami Bakura), that WAS Zork and admitted such not only in the anime but in the late manga as well.

Originally Posted by Rumia

Yet Thief King Bakura was not the critter sealed in the Millennium Ring (Yami Bakura), that WAS Zork and admitted such not only in the anime but in the late manga as well.

Wait, when did Zork say he was the one sealed within the Millennium Ring in the manga? I understood it that it was Thief King Bakura sealed within the ring along with the portion of Zork's soul that he had a part of. Akinadin also shared a portion of Zork's soul as well.

So where did it state this? Please give a refrence.

No one knows exactly happened 3000 years ago when it actually happened. Aka the time where Atemu died.
KT Bakura mentioned that it different(meaning the events in this memory world) i don't know if something like that happened in the manga.

So where did it state this? Please give a refrence.

in the japanese anime..yami says to bakura "i know who you are! you are zork!" to whick bakura replies " so there's no reason for me to hold this appearance..let's continue the game in the battlefield" and they fused with their "bodies" -yami enered the pharaoh and bakura zork..

that's anime only ( it's on you-tube , i'll link the episode if i can)

but one more thing :in the anime, after yami left to his memory world ,yugi said that he felt that the spirit of the puzzle is no longer there and he's alone, suggesting that he left to the ancient world completely, not just overseeing it..

yeah with bakura it makes some sense, but again they suggested that he left the real bakuras body behind like yami left yugi, but from what i know, yami can't split his soul too..

so how did his spirit arrive in the void too?

is this better explained in the manga? in the chapters i've read it didn't say more than the anime did..

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

Wait, when did Zork say he was the one sealed within the Millennium Ring in the manga? I understood it that it was Thief King Bakura sealed within the ring along with the portion of Zork's soul that he had a part of. Akinadin also shared a portion of Zork's soul as well.

So where did it state this? Please give a refrence.

When Bakura blocked Yugi and Co.'s path to Atem's name he admits that he is Zork.

He directly says he's Zorc when he meets Yugi and friends in the town. It's before he duels Jonouchi.

Horoko actually posted the exact segment in an older Bakura Identity debate here...here's what he translated:

遊戯：バクラ君...君は一体何者なの...
Yugi: Bakura-kun...what in the world are you...?

闇バクラ：　三千年前、ゾーク・ネクロファデスはこの千年輪に魂の一部を封印していた...と したら... クククク...
Dark Bakura: "Let's suppose that three thousand years ago, Zork Necrophades sealed a part of his soul in this Millennium Ring...Heh heh heh heh..."

遊戯：バクラ君...君はまさか...
Yugi: Bakura-kun...you can't be...

闇バクラ：そう...オレ様の正体もまたゾーク・ネクロファデス...
Dark Bakura: That's right...My true identity is, too, Zork Necrophades...

@girlwithnonick

That's just anime exclusive though. That's my point. They've pegged Thief King Bakura's origin and purpose wrong. He isn't "just Zork." He has a portion of Zork in him, but he's still a human soul who's made a contract with Zork. He isn't just entirely Zork, he's an emissary of Zork who's doing Zork's bidding with his power.

Originally Posted by Rumia

When Bakura blocked Yugi and Co.'s path to Atem's name he admits that he is Zork.

Ahhhh you're talking about chapter 307. That's true, he does call himself Zork there, but Akinadin is also likened to being Zork as well.

Zork states that all those who take his power will become a slave to his soul. A representation of him. When that happens, in a sense, they *do* become Zork. Zork even states Akinadin is a part of him in chapter 307 when he says his parental sentiment is to be forgotten. But we know of course that Akinadin is Akinadin. He's his own individual despite the contract in terms of reality and his past. The same goes for Thief King Bakura. He was a real human being who came from Kul Elna village. Once he made the contract with Zork to gain the powers of darkness, he too became a part of Zork and thus he can say he *is* Zork, but he's not entirely Zork. He's also the spirit of the thief...Bakura.

So in that statement, it pretty much shows that when you make a contract with Zork you also become Zork too.

And I guess Horoko's translation shows that he's not only the spirit of his self as a thief, but also the embodiment of Zork as well.

Also it's been shown early in the manga that the TK Bakura does actions that are not associated with Zork. For example, he like Yami, took over Bakura to place the gym teacher in the shell, because Ryou seemed to wish for it to happen.

I've always assumed that Zork is only sharing TK Bakura's body the same way he is using Ryou's as a host. That their souls are techincally different and that while yes Bakura has Zork's powers it doesn't mean he's Zork incarnete, it just means that he's Zork's servent thus a reflection of himself.

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Also it's been shown early in the manga that the TK Bakura does actions that are not associated with Zork. For example, he like Yami, took over Bakura to place the gym teacher in the shell, because Ryou seemed to wish for it to happen.

I've always assumed that Zork is only sharing TK Bakura's body the same way he is using Ryou's as a host. That their souls are techincally different and that while yes Bakura has Zork's powers it doesn't mean he's Zork incarnete, it just means that he's Zork's servent thus a reflection of himself.

He did that against Ryou's wishes, just to save the body that happens to host him.

That assumption is incorrect since Yami Bakura has directly stated he is Zork, which more or less confirms whatever was in the ring WAS Zork, even if it was once the Tomb Robber as a human they are one in the same by the point of the Memory Arc.

That's like saying that Yami and Yuugi are one in the same. The spirit in the ring is a slave to Zork through the pack that he made. He makes his own choices. If he was Zork himself then a lot of his actions earlier wouldn't have made any sense. Why go through all that trouble when he could have just killed Yuugi early on? Why do all that work?

Zork and TK Bakura are not one in the same, they share power, but that doesn't mean that they are the same person. As Makoeyes said, Akuadin is Akuadin with the power of Zork. Bakura is Bakura with the powers of Zork.

Also there's the fact that early on Mahaado makes the comment that there was already a dark power in the ring, so techincally wouldn't there be two spirits in the ring, unless Bakrua really did die when he fell and Zork took over the body, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

It should also be noted Akinadin calls himself Zork under the guise of the Dark Priest when he rewinds time when Atem gets the upper hand over Thief King Bakura with Ra during their fight over the city.

So yeah, that should be taken into account as well.

Do you think Zork's body hopping some what? Because at times that's what it seems like to me.

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Do you think Zork's body hopping some what? Because at times that's what it seems like to me.

Zorc, being a god, would be an omnipotent being. Just like the parasite placed in Yugi's puzzle to invade his memories, Zorc places himself into other people, thus becoming them while still remaining 'himself.' This is more or less what I meant in my argument about how Yami Bakura wasn't Thief King Bakura, at least anymore. When Zorc 'infects' his prey they basically cease to exist and become extentions of Zorc, which would be why Akunadin and Thief Bakura were identified as Zorc later in the manga.

The Yami Bakura in the puzzle is another example of Zork parasitizing something to spread his influence.

Yami Bakura is not Thief King Bakura, because Thief King Bakura is already nothing more than Zorc by that point, just as pretty much every other Zorc controlled character in the Memory arc became Zorc.

Man... Zorc seems to remind me of everyone's favorite goathead in a future Yu-Gi-Oh series...

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Do you think Zork's body hopping some what? Because at times that's what it seems like to me.

Not really. It's just that those who take his power become apart of him. His darkness spreads. It's like his "agents" are able to share Zork's consciousness and become his eyes, ears, and hands when necessary. Like he said, they all become apart of him.

Originally Posted by Rumia

Zorc, being a god, would be an omnipotent being. Just like the parasite placed in Yugi's puzzle to invade his memories, Zorc places himself into other people, thus becoming them while still remaining 'himself.' This is more or less what I meant in my argument about how Yami Bakura wasn't Thief King Bakura, at least anymore. When Zorc 'infects' his prey they basically cease to exist and become extentions of Zorc, which would be why Akunadin and Thief Bakura were identified as Zorc later in the manga.

The Yami Bakura in the puzzle is another example of Zork parasitizing something to spread his influence.

Yami Bakura is not Thief King Bakura, because Thief King Bakura is already nothing more than Zorc by that point, just as pretty much every other Zorc controlled character in the Memory arc became Zorc.

Wow, now that's a really interesting interpretation... I see what you're saying. It makes sense. Very cool viewpoint I hadn't really thought of. It definitely is like an infection of darkness. A corruption. I see what you mean but I like the distinction of just remembering that while they do become part of Zork and his slaves, they were individuals and aren't literally just Zork in another form..they're humans who've made the dark contract and thus become his emissaries. But, I do see your interesting viewpoint and interpretation. ^^

Originally Posted by JuJube

Man... Zorc seems to remind me of everyone's favorite goathead in a future Yu-Gi-Oh series...

Except Zork was a lot more interesting and didn't come out of nowhere and last two episodes. I mean we were at least given foreshadowing to Zork's presence and what the final "Game of Darkness" would be with him XD

It wasn't like we were expecting one villain and all of a sudden Zork popped out a ball of darkness for a duel and end the series abruptly. XDDD

It wasn't like we were expecting one villain and all of a sudden Zork popped out a ball of darkness for a duel and end the series abruptly. XDDD

Yeah, Zorc was actually hinted at really early on when Yami Marik defeated Yami Bakura in their shadow game on the KC Blimp back in BC. Bakura's whole "I am darkness" line was the first foreshadowing that he was definitely something more than just a pain in the butt chasing Yugi and co. around, lol.

Also, I find it funny how Bakura's avatar in the original RPG was a traveler who pretended to be weak and was really Zorc in disguise. That basically sums up Yami Bakura's actions throughout the entire series, posing as a weak enemy and being defeated over and over before revealing his true nature to be that of Zorc, lol.

yes in the end zorc was an omnipotent demon who was nearly unstopable (3 blue eyes, 3 gods, exodia and DMK couldnt do anything) compared to darkness who was a dumba$$ Goatbones who tried to kill wannabe-Yugi in a card game

I think that if Akunadin wouldn't've turned evil and identified himself with Zork (btw İ giggle every time İ read the name, it just sounds funny!), it would,ve been so much clearer who YB is..

Still, isn't it possible for Zork to have lied? Like after slipping his soul inside TK Bakura and Akunadin, destroy (or just supress) their own and leave the body an empty shell and pretend he was them?

I was thinking how -mostly in the anime- YBakura pretends to be normal Bakura when he's around Yugi and the gang to not look suspıcıous..

Can't say what he'd gain from it but just a thought really..

Originally Posted by girlwithnonick

Still, isn't it possible for Zork to have lied? Like after slipping his soul inside TK Bakura and Akunadin, destroy (or just supress) their own and leave the body an empty shell and pretend he was them?

I was thinking how -mostly in the anime- YBakura pretends to be normal Bakura when he's around Yugi and the gang to not look suspıcıous..

Can't say what he'd gain from it but just a thought really..

Why would Zork lie? And why would he even need to do that? Bakura and Akinadin willfully and knowingly sold themselves to darkness in hopes for greater power. They *wanted* to become Zork's followers and thus house apart of his spirit.

And the reason Yami Bakura would pretend to be normal Bakura was so he could stay close to them and know their plans and manipulate them. He does it so he can keep his eye on his enemies. As the saying goes, "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

Although sometimes it wouldn't be Yami Bakura pretending. Sometimes it'd just be Yami Bakura literally hijacking Ryou's consciousness the second he heard or saw something interesting.

Originally Posted by cypsiman2

Not to mention Yami Bakura re-merging with his soul fragment in the Millennium Puzzle, making that whole sub plot utterly pointless. And then he posesses the Thief King Bakura and gets some ring-wraith rip-offs. W T F!?

It wasn't entirely pointless. It was good for reconnaissance. How else was he going to find out the secret hidden in the Pharaoh's memories?

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

That's just anime exclusive though. That's my point. They've pegged Thief King Bakura's origin and purpose wrong. He isn't "just Zork." He has a portion of Zork in him, but he's still a human soul who's made a contract with Zork. He isn't just entirely Zork, he's an emissary of Zork who's doing Zork's bidding with his power.

So in that statement, it pretty much shows that when you make a contract with Zork you also become Zork too.

So it's like a collective mind, or something? "We are Zork!" LOL!

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

If he was Zork himself then a lot of his actions earlier wouldn't have made any sense. Why go through all that trouble when he could have just killed Yuugi early on? Why do all that work?

Well that brings up another thing I'm always wondering. Did Dark Bakura lose his memory just like the other Yugi did? Just how much did he know/remember. In his alliance with Marik, Dark Bakura realizes that he was mistaken about what would be necessary for him to obtain his coveted "power of darkness." At the same time, however, it seems he definitely knows more than Yugi does about the situation. (He calls the other Yugi a "king" in the DDD arc before anyone knew he was a Pharaoh.)

That is right, he did call him King. There were also times when YB acted like he knew more then Yugi did and held it almost over him in a way. But at the same time he might have been bluffing. IF he did lose his memories that would explain a lot, but if that was the case then why did he seem to know who he was before he talked to Malik.

Also something that bothered me about Memory arc was the whole Set being Atem's cousin. Now I understand power struggles always went on in Egypt, but if Set was Atem's cousin, directly related to the pharaoh's brother, wouldn't that mean that he would have lived in the palace in the first place? Even in the manga it was hinted at that he was living there. But in the manga did he already know that he was the cousin to the Pharaoh? And for that matter when could have Akuadin found him and trained him? After the Kisara moment? How did he find him?

Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster

Also something that bothered me about Memory arc was the whole Set being Atem's cousin. Now I understand power struggles always went on in Egypt, but if Set was Atem's cousin, directly related to the pharaoh's brother, wouldn't that mean that he would have lived in the palace in the first place? Even in the manga it was hinted at that he was living there. But in the manga did he already know that he was the cousin to the Pharaoh? And for that matter when could have Akuadin found him and trained him? After the Kisara moment? How did he find him?

In the manga it goes something like this. When Akunadin made the decision to make a mass human sacrifice to create the Millennium Items he abandoned Seto, his son, to the life of a peasant out of shame for his bloodied hands. The whole idea was that Seto grew up his entire life never knowing that he was related to the royal family. I don't remember exactly how he became a priest, but I do remember that even at his priest annointing ceremony Akunadin was the only one who knew that Seto was his son.

Thus mirroring Seto in our world's life. Though I doubt Seto Kaiba's father wouold have chosen G. Kaiba as a father figure for his two young sons. I can't remember if it was in the manga or in the anime where Set said his mother cried a lot. Unless it was that she knew her son would be taken from her someday.

Originally Posted by girlwithnonick

add that kaiba was only included because he's arguably the most popular character in the series..i count that as fanservice..

Why did Bakura even give Kaiba the eye? What was funny when Kaiba battled Zorc he said "No one likes a bully, especially me" but Kaiba has been a bully since the begining, he rippsed Sullivan's Blue eyes, and took all Yugi's star chips in that battle on the roof.

I really hate necroing an old topic but....

Watching Memory World again, I seriously can't get over how much canon raep was done in this. Since when did Diabound have a slab? Who would've sealed him in a slab? Only the priests do that!

There's so much crack and BS in this arc that really puts the anime to shame. The manga is infinitely better. And what's with the crappy animation of the ka fights? They seriously look stiff and barely move whenever they fight. It's really piss poor animation in this arc.

I'm a lot more dissapointed rewatching this now.

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

There's so much crack and BS in this arc that really puts the anime to shame. The manga is infinitely better. And what's with the crappy animation of the ka fights? They seriously look stiff and barely move whenever they fight. It's really piss poor animation in this arc.

I can sum up how the anime ruined Ka fights in just a few words: Diabound vs. Garestgolath. The anime's pathetic attempt at that fight really set the tone for things to come.

Memory World was better in the manga because it was shorter and just generally less irritaiting. Plus in the Anime, Kaiba was in Memory World for no reason at all.

@Ryusaki

Yeah, exactly. All of the ka fights are stiff and awkward. They just...stand there and shoot energy balls at each other. There's no attempt at fluidity or choreography in the fights.

Why does Thief King Bakura calle the Pharaoh, Yugi? Why does Mahaddo's fight with Bakura take place in the "training grounds" vs, the Pharaoh's tomb like in the original?

Why does Bakura's diabound have the Blue Eyes White Dragon's power? And why can Mana see Yugi and the others? Its so dumb.

Yeah Kaiba being in it makes no sense either. There are just...a lot of changes that make you wonder what the heck the writers were thinking. So much canon breaking.