Thread: Yugioh Clich�s, Misconceptions and Other Related Nonsense

Sounds like fun (good misconceptions btw):

- Duelist Kingdom rules are cheating
- Atem's other name is 'Yami'
- Atem lived 5000 years ago
- Pegasus is old
- The manga volumes are better the way they are split up into YGO, Duelist and Millennium World like Viz did because they're unconnected (yes, I've actually heard that).

Of course, most misconceptions trace back to 4Kids. Just by watching the Abridged Series I often want to point out that some of the things he says are plot holes are entirely created by 4Kids, but I'd feel like a spoilsport.

I only once heard Yugi in the 1st or 2nd episode of the Noah's Arc saga to refer to Malik's alter ego as Yami no Malik. Can't remember other occasions.
Atemu's fanmade name Yami was made official by 4K!ds.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

- The manga volumes are better the way they are split up into YGO, Duelist and Millennium World like Viz did because they're unconnected (yes, I've actually heard that).

Of course, most misconceptions trace back to 4Kids. Just by watching the Abridged Series I often want to point out that some of the things he says are plot holes are entirely created by 4Kids, but I'd feel like a spoilsport.

Wowzer on the manga thing. Because, screw Takahashi, America knows what's best for Japanese products.

And yeah, 90% of TAS is a parody of the dub specifically. Funny how most of the people over at LK's forums believe otherwise.

I only once heard Yugi in the 1st or 2nd episode of the Noah's Arc saga to refer to Malik's alter ego as Yami no Malik. Can't remember other occasions.

I actually meant that old fanfic cliche that Atem adresses Yugi with "hikari" and such.

Well, concerning clich�s and plot devices in Yu-Gi-Oh, this site lists quite a few. (Plus, it's funny). Be prepared to spend some time on it though, you keep opening more pages.

One word: Akefia.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

- Duelist Kingdom rules are cheating

I'm sorry about this but I rather feel that that particular misconception is actuely the fualt of people taking the "funny" comments of the Abridged Series seriously.

Originally Posted by Evans

I'm sorry about this but I rather feel that that particular misconception is actuely the fualt of people taking the "funny" comments of the Abridged Series seriously.

People acted as if the Duelist Kingdom rules were cheating long before the Abridged Series started. People are foolish, it seems they'll never learn.

It comes down to people needing to do their research before they bash something. The manga was written before the card game rules were even thought of. It was just meant to be entertaining.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

The classics:

-“season 0” is “incredibly violent” (this is made even funnier when it comes from people who’ve actually seen the damn thing)
-Dark Yugi is taller/older than Yugi
-Kaiba is 18
-Katsuya is a surname (lol, Katsuya Joey XD)
-Anzu (not just T�a) gives too many friendship speeches
-Yugi, Bakura and Malik and their possessors/alter egos refer to each other as yamis/hikaris in the show (seriously, where did that come from?)
-Prior to 4Kids censoring, Yugioh was filled with excessive violence and/or swearing and/or sexual innuendo. It was adult TV.


And that’s just off the top of my head. Anyone game?

-Joey (sometimes even Jounouchi) is from Brooklyn, hence the dubbed accent.
-Yami no Yugi's "hikari" is such an innocent sweetie. (Though some fangirls fail to realize that he watches p.0.r.n.z. tapes on a few manga volumes.)
-The "Yamis" and the "hikaris" have separate bodies.

More to come later as I burn off a few brain cells looking through horribly clich�d fanfictions. =]

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

People acted as if the Duelist Kingdom rules were cheating long before the Abridged Series started. People are foolish, it seems they'll never learn.

Oww I know some people have allways said about the Kingdom rules being cheating (usaly more silly than cheating) for as long as I can remember

I thought the majoir lets call it cheating memo came from some quates from the Abridged Series (Something I feel has had a bad effect on the DM perception)

Originally Posted by Evans

I thought the majoir lets call it cheating memo came from some quates from the Abridged Series (Something I feel has had a bad effect on the DM perception)

No, that was spawned by the stupidity of the fandom. A lot of the comedy of the Abridged Series comes from both the flaws in the show's construction, and, to a greater extent, the downright stupidity and foolishness of the YGO fandom.

Cliche:

- Both DM and GX feature a top-ranked duelist who focuses on beatdown and has rare and powerful cards, including 3 copies of a feared "dragon" card.

Misconception

- Somehow it's always just the protagonist who wins on luck just because he drew the needed card at the last moment. (In reality, the opponent typically draws what he needs first to gain advantage.)

Vice president of Kaiba Corporation is 12. I don't feel like adding more at the moment.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

Atem lived 5000 years ago

And what's wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Inquisitor

And what's wrong with that?

It's a dub fail that stemmed from a minor manga translation error/misinterpretation about games in general - 3000 is the correct number of years in the past where Y!Yuugi partied haado. [ Yarr, I fail at wording. ]


And some moar misconceptions which haven't been named yet:

- Dark Bakura abuses the crap out of normal Bakura on a regular basis, and normal Bakura takes it because he's a wuss/seekretly likes it/because he LUVS his DAAKU, etc, etc. [ I have seriously found people who rabidly argued with me that the above was 100% cannon... <__> ]

- Bakura is fully aware that there's a crazy spirit thing in the sennen ring which takes over his body~!

- The events of the Egypt Arc were 100% accurate to what happened when Y!Yuugi was alive/Pharaoh.

- Pegasus r@ped Kaiba and/or Mokuba for the lulz in Duelist Kingdom, and is an unstable violent freak in general. [ ;_; ]


I have a few more, but I cannot organize my thoughts on them right now. Bleh.

Originally Posted by PegasusxCroquet

- Pegasus r@ped Kaiba and/or Mokuba for the lulz in Duelist Kingdom, and is an unstable violent freak in general. [ ;_; ]

Duuuuude!

-Rebecca is 8
-When Kaiba wants to adress Jonouchi affectionately (ha!), he calls him 'puppy' (srsly)
-Yugi's and Atem's thoughts aren't separated. You know, this is something I'll never understand about the dub. Like, this guy changes into someone else, and then you still hear his thoughts. It's like Atem is a jacket that Yugi puts on to look cool for the TV audience, but nothing other than that changes. The dumbest example of this being his DK duel with Mai.
-Kaiba is a sarcastic sceptical ass. Ok, the sceptic part is true, but geez, 'it's a glitch in teh hologram!!!!11' (head explodes, crowd gasps, cut to commercials)
-Yugi's an orphan
-Mai's clothes aren't something that young women normally wear in Japan. They're an indicator that she's, in fact, a wh---.

It's a dub fail that stemmed from a minor manga translation error/misinterpretation about games in general - 3000 is the correct number of years in the past where Y!Yuugi partied haado. [ Yarr, I fail at wording.

Again, I ask what's wrong with that? Whether it is 3000 or 5000, it doesn't make any difference, nor it affects original plot.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

Mai's clothes aren't something that young women normally wear in Japan.

What about gravity-defying trench coats? You see, I have one which is exactly the same, but it just ain't going to levitate like Seto's.

Originally Posted by Inquisitor

Again, I ask what's wrong with that? Whether it is 3000 or 5000, it doesn't make any difference, nor it affects original plot.

Uh, because 2000 years is a pretty big difference. 5000 years ago, Egypt was just being colonized by nomadic drifters. 3000 years ago is when the upper and lower kingdoms united under the rule of a single pharaoh, and was generally thriving.

It may not effect the plot, but it makes it a little screwy to have huge monuments, a single ruler, a thriving functional society, and huge armies which want to destroy your civilization because it's just so darn epic when they were more or less just settling in. 'x'

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson;

Duuuuude!

I know~~! I will NEVAR FORGET the horrible, freakishly consistent destruction of his character back when YGO was 'in it's prime.' Heck, if you go on FF.net or any place where the fail tends to clot together, it's still disturbingly prevalent as a terrible plot device. D:

Bawwww....

Originally Posted by PegasusxCroquet

3000 years ago is when the upper and lower kingdoms united under the rule of a single pharaoh, and was generally thriving.

It may not effect the plot, but it makes it a little screwy to have huge monuments, a single ruler, a thriving functional society, and huge armies which want to destroy your civilization because it's just so darn epic when they were more or less just settling in.

Actually, Upper and Lower Egypt were united 5100-5000 years ago by a single pharaoh.

Anyway, none of that has relevance since, historically, both periods are vague. Predynastic Egypt wasn't developed indeed (till 4600 BC), but in the Third Intermediate Period (1000 BC) territories were nearly detached and instable; so it were priests that held more power than pharaoh himself. However, I do see your point but it's quite senseless to complain about hypothetical situations and dates, when you already know historical facts. Besides, the only fact we should be aware of is that the plot is settled in ancient times.

Still, if the number is 3000 years ago, it's a misconception to think it happened 5000 years ago. Same as it's a misconception to think that Kaiba is older than the rest of the gang, or that Atemu was, like, 21 when he died and so on and so forth.

4Kids did make some of these things official in their continuity, but it still doesn't make them any less false in regards to the original story. The dub is prolly the #1 source of misconceptions anyways.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

Still, if the number is 3000 years ago, it's a misconception to think it happened 5000 years ago. Same as it's a misconception to think that Kaiba is older than the rest of the gang, or that Atemu was, like, 21 when he died and so on and so forth.

4Kids did make some of these things official in their continuity, but it still doesn't make them any less false in regards to the original story. The dub is prolly the #1 source of misconceptions anyways.

In line with the dub, 5000 years is a purposeful "misconception", but it is not a nonsense from the aspects of story.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

Still, if the number is 3000 years ago, it's a misconception to think it happened 5000 years ago. Same as it's a misconception to think that Kaiba is older than the rest of the gang, or that Atemu was, like, 21 when he died and so on and so forth.

From what I've heard, he's actually younger than the rest of the gang, though I can't really find that possible whenever I look at him... @.@

And that one episode in the dub where T�a points out about the gang being together for four years somewhat pisses me off, since that would mean they'd be around their... twenties? o.O;;;

( ::snort:: Yugi being a twenty-year-old with his looks... xDD)

Yeah, IIRC, Kaiba is the youngest, and Yugi is the oldest going by their birth dates.

To be fair, manga-writers seem to have REAL trouble giving realistic ages to their characters based on looks/perosnailty. Kaiba neither looks or acts like his age, so its better to just *pretend* he's 18 and that everyhting's not so weird. I mean, look at the ages in the Pokemon animes/mangas, apparently they're ALL ten years old.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

YGO, Duelist and Millennium World like Viz did because they're unconnected (yes, I've actually heard that).

Except for the fact Viz's way is SO much more conveniant when it comes to rembering what volume youre up to, or wnat to get or if your trying to find a certain thing. I think Viz's way is ALOT better.

This thread doesn't seem to quite understand what a Cliche is.

Originally Posted by E-Hero Winged Kuriboh

Except for the fact Viz's way is SO much more conveniant when it comes to rembering what volume youre up to, or wnat to get or if your trying to find a certain thing. I think Viz's way is ALOT better.

This thread doesn't seem to quite understand what a Cliche is.

Do you find that? I just find it irritating. Besides, I was referring to the way some people claim they're 'basically unconnected'.

And perhaps you've just not noticed that more people are going for the 'Misconceptions and other Related Nonsense' of the thread title rather than clich�s...

Oh, yeah, my bad. I didn't notice the last part of the thread title. (On the main page this thread comes up as "List of Yu-Gi-Oh! Cliches")

Originally Posted by E-Hero Winged Kuriboh

To be fair, manga-writers seem to have REAL trouble giving realistic ages to their characters based on looks/perosnailty. Kaiba neither looks or acts like his age, so its better to just *pretend* he's 18 and that everyhting's not so weird. I mean, look at the ages in the Pokemon animes/mangas, apparently they're ALL ten years old.

Well yeah, but in the world of manga, by the time you're 25, you're already ripe to write memoirs and stuff. People generally act more mature than their age, and in Kaiba's case, it's at least justified by the fact that he's had a very hard life and had to grow up fast. And besides, he's introduced as Yugi & the gang's classmate, so to say that he's 18 when everyone else in the class is 16 is making the child genius somewhat backward, innit?

I don't know if this counts.....but they call Bandit Keith "Paul Douglass" in the HK subs. XD

Sort of an extension on my last post, but having more powerful monsters is often mistaken for being more out and out skilled.

ETA: Here are a couple of others:

- Kaiba's fixation on the Blue Eyes White Dragon has to do with Kisara.
- Mai is a lesser duelist simply because she loses most of her on-screen duels.

Here are some:

Kaiba's name translates to seahorse.
Malik hates Yugi, even after B.C.
Vivian Wong is a mary-sue.

Originally Posted by Rinthebeloved

Kaiba's name translates to seahorse.

As far as I know, it does :-\

In a sense, yes, as Japanese characters can also represent individual words. his is however, a litteral translation, and in Japanese these extra meanings are disreguarded.

Not really. You wouldn't translate Kaiba into "Seahorse." However, his name would translate into seahorse. Just how Seto translates to "Rapids Person," Mokuba translates to "Wooden Horse," Yugi translateS to "Game," Anzu translates to "Apricot Child," and Jonouchi translates to "Inside the Castle."

Originally Posted by Rinthebeloved

Vivian Wong is a mary-sue.

She doesn't even have any character to be a Mary Sue

-Yami no Yugi's "hikari" is such an innocent sweetie. (Though some fangirls fail to realize that he watches p.0.r.n.z. tapes on a few manga volumes.)

Yay for the hinted pr0ns. (I wonder what Atemu does when Yuugi watches them - Oh god, don't answer! X//D)

Vivian is a Mary-Sue: I see the point. Clings to the cool duelists and wishes to be their lover .. and seduce them .. I totally envy her XD J/K

I can't think of anything wrong, except .. um .. nope, can't think of anything. XD
Or .. maybe ..

- Anzu's clothing in 53 are the highest, most exaggerated version of "Kogal Clothing" at that time.

Does that fit?

C-A

All the talk of pr0ns has reminded me of another old misconception I used to hear: that the Yu-Gi-Oh! manga only got popular when Takahashi inserted semi-pr0ns into it in the forms of Black Magician Girl and Mai. I dunno what the logic there is.

I'll wager someone mistook a doujin for the real thing and spread the word.

Yami YugiXBeaver Warrior

(I kid you not).

Great. Now all of you have reminded me of that horrible, horrible, horrible doujin that involved Jonouchi and Shizuka having s3x0rz while Yugi and Malik have an erection battle and at the end Mai curb-stomps Malik in the junk...

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

I'll wager someone mistook a doujin for the real thing and spread the word.

Yami YugiXBeaver Warrior

(I kid you not).

.. *speechless*
.. Atemu x Mahado/Black Magician I COULD understand to a certain point .. but .. BEAVER WARRIOR!? .. Oh God .. THE MENTAL IMAGEZ ARE BRUNING INTO MY BRAINZ!!

@Tatsu-Horoko: (sorry for the shortening if you don't like it) Wicked .... what's curb-stomping ..? o.o

C-A

You can just call me Horoko for short. (No one ever uses my full name unless they are inherently new to this place.)

Curb-stomping is the act of placing another's head on a street-curb and repeatedly stomping on it. However, this wasn't what Mai was doing in the example I gave, it is a common colloquial expression for "decimating another into oblivion" which she did do by literally stomping on his...you-know-what.

Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko

...an erection battle...

"I can see your schwarz is as big as mine, Yugi."

Originally Posted by CatAlin

.. Atemu x Mahado/Black Magician I COULD understand to a certain point

Srsly? I don't care who Black Magician used to be, somehow the thought of anyone jacking off to a card seems a bit too kinky for my tastes XD.

@Tatsu-Horoko: .. I AM new. *okay, a few days here XD* And Mai doing that? .... I can SO see her doing that.

@Dr. Watson: .. *points to the fun with screenshots thread and the "jetshipping" and other-related Kaiba pics* (And from what doj� is your avatar?)

C-A

Kaiba doesn't count .

It's not from a doujin, I drew it.

Nice drawing Watson.


Ahh and I see we've got onto the mountainus shipping hoard DM generated. (The number of rabid shippers is kinda a offputting I feel..)

Heres a misconception.

--- In the manga the powers behind duel monsters just appeared from nothing 3000 years ago (They were translated from the allready ancient Book Of Sealed Shadow Alchemey.)

Let me see...

- Yugi and Bakura have toys in their minds... how old are they? 5 years old?
- Yugi is possessed by a old man of 3000 years old.
- Atem had a crazy hair even in the ancient Egypt.
- The real pharaohs shaved their head. (I don't know where I heard that)
- When you see for first time to Amelda you don't know if he is man or woman... like Deidara of Naruto.
- Kaiba only studied one day in Domino High School in the anime series.
- In the first season Yugi’s shoes change when he transforms himself.
- The flying mechabats of the Duel Disk only are required in Battle City.
- The technical support of Kaiba Corp is composed for women clones with multicolor wigs.
- Kaiba tore the Grampa’s Blue Eyes White Dragon card, so Kaiba tore to Kisara.
- Kaiba is rich because Mokuba has kidnap insurance. (That is my crazy conjecture)

Originally Posted by Tri_Horned_Dragon

- Yugi and Bakura have toys in their minds... how old are they? 5 years old?
- Yugi is possessed by a old man of 3000 years old.
- Atem had a crazy hair even in the ancient Egypt.
- The real pharaohs shaved their head. (I don't know where I heard that)
- The flying mechabats of the Duel Disk only are required in Battle City.
- The technical support of Kaiba Corp is composed for women clones with multicolor wigs.

Aren't these true, though? ^_^

-“season 0” is “incredibly violent” (this is made even funnier when it comes from people who’ve actually seen the damn thing)

But it IS violent! �.�
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Oh, you mean the animated version! Oh, that's kinda okay. Manga much better. XD

C-A

Originally Posted by CatAlin

But it IS violent! �.�
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Oh, you mean the animated version! Oh, that's kinda okay. Manga much better. XD

C-A

When you see Kaiba trying to seriously kill Yugi, you know it's violent xD
Specially the part in Kaiba's Death Park wihth the convict with the chainsaw <_<

Originally Posted by DavidAre

When you see Kaiba trying to seriously kill Yugi, you know it's violent xD

As opposed to the less violent Duel Monsters where every other word out of Malik's mouth is either 'kill,' 'die' or some variation of the two?