Thread: Yugioh Clich�s, Misconceptions and Other Related Nonsense

Originally Posted by JuJube

I'm confused, why are you saying stuff that's true?

Because that stuff does not have sense or is very weird in the series.

Why the Yugi's hair does not change when he jumped to the sea in Duelist Kingdom and Battle City? Very Weird.
Why the cards can hurt when someone thow it? Weird
Why the Battle City tournament forbade Hinotama but not even limited the Exodia pieces? Super Weird
Why Kaiba has a statue of himself in his park? Weird... and creepy

Originally Posted by Tri_Horned_Dragon

Because that stuff does not have sense or is very weird in the series.

Why the Yugi's hair does not change when he jumped to the sea in Duelist Kingdom and Battle City? Very Weird.
Why the cards can hurt when someone thow it? Weird
Why the Battle City tournament forbade Hinotama but not even limited the Exodia pieces? Super Weird
Why Kaiba has a statue of himself in his park? Weird... and creepy

I think this safely falls into the 'other related nonsense' category XD. Kudos for being the first to contribute to it. And for giving me the lulz...

Originally Posted by Tri_Horned_Dragon

Why the cards can hurt when someone thow it? Weird

Actually, I saw something on TV once about gangs in the South that throw playing cards, and hurt people with them. :\

Originally Posted by Tri_Horned_Dragon

Why Kaiba has a statue of himself in his park? Weird... and creepy

Kaiba is arrogant and egotistical. It only makes sense for him to have at least one statue of himself in his theme park.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

I think this safely falls into the 'other related nonsense' category XD. Kudos for being the first to contribute to it. And for giving me the lulz...

I thought the cards were ment to contain a mircochip system (containing the information for the systems)

If there more rigid and contain metal parts then that might explane why they would cause more injurey.

Originally Posted by Tri_Horned_Dragon

Why the Battle City tournament forbade Hinotama but not even limited the Exodia pieces?

I think the Exodia pieces were ment to be so indrediably rare in the series so possibly thats the reason for there not being banned (I'm talking realy rare, along the lines of the old Crush Card type rare.)

Originally Posted by Cococo-co_Co-coco

Huh? Where did that come from?

Sorry I was late with this. Manga 308 and more explictily episode 206.

Originally Posted by Evans

I thought the cards were ment to contain a mircochip system (containing the information for the systems)

If there more rigid and contain metal parts then that might explane why they would cause more injurey.

Not likely. They bend like regular cards.

I think the Exodia pieces were ment to be so indrediably rare in the series so possibly thats the reason for there not being banned (I'm talking realy rare, along the lines of the old Crush Card type rare.)

Well, that would make sense if the head of the tournament wasn't forewarned that the place will be filled with RARE HUNTERS and all...

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

Not likely. They bend like regular cards.


Well, that would make sense if the head of the tournament wasn't forewarned that the place will be filled with RARE HUNTERS and all...

I know they bend, I was just wondering if there more rigid (your know rather like credit cards)

Yes but even the Rare Hunters (were they actuely called that in the original? I do'nt remember) used FAKE Exodia cards.

Yeah, Gurus or Rare Hunters in the original. And since duel discs apparently can't tell the difference between real and fake, it doesn't really matter that their Exodias were faked. What matters is that they were rare .

And that reminds me of the dub scene where Yugi pulls a Kaiba and tears up some of the rarest cards in all of Duel Monsters because they were "marked." Dub stupidity at its finest.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

Yeah, Gurus or Rare Hunters in the original. And since duel discs apparently can't tell the difference between real and fake, it doesn't really matter that their Exodias were faked. What matters is that they were rare .

And that reminds me of the dub scene where Yugi pulls a Kaiba and tears up some of the rarest cards in all of Duel Monsters because they were "marked." Dub stupidity at its finest.

Ahh I thought that originaly it was only that particulary fellow who was known as Rare Hunter (while the others were just Ghouls)

I would asume that you could pirate data with the cards or something (Though there would probablybe loads of security stuff in them)

O yes did'nt that Rare Hunter allso have an X Ray eye or something in the dub.

Curses, foiled again. That's right, Ghouls, not Gurus. But also Rare Hunters.

It's not just the dub, he wore X-Ray lenses in the original, too. And IIRC, when he's monologuing about it, the HK subs explain that it's because the lenses were smeared with drugs or something XD.

Originally Posted by Dr_Watson

And that reminds me of the dub scene where Yugi pulls a Kaiba and tears up some of the rarest cards in all of Duel Monsters because they were "marked." Dub stupidity at its finest.

When was this?

After the same Rare Hunter Exodia duel.

Originally Posted by Yaminoyugi

When was this?

Episode 57, after Yugi wins. He says they're marked in the dub because the ink's running off on his hands or something (but not on the Rare Hunter's hands it seems) but in the original Yugi says they're fake.

Not mentioned in the manga.

Well, those Exodia cards were counterfeit. A glaring detail that the dub overlooked.

Also, I think I remember the cards having an IC Chip in them (complete with a black box.) It was a detail explained in the Death-T arc and the only reason I remember it is because the YGO Movie novel mentioned them.

Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko

Well, those Exodia cards were counterfeit. A glaring detail that the dub overlooked.

Also, I think I remember the cards having an IC Chip in them (complete with a black box.) It was a detail explained in the Death-T arc and the only reason I remember it is because the YGO Movie novel mentioned them.

I think it may have been mentioned some were in R.

Gurus? Sounds like someone spent too much time watching HK bootlegs. XD I kid, I kid.

Tell me about it. At this rate, my English will go down the drain in a matter of months XD. My Engrish on the other hand...

Originally Posted by Azura

And come to think of it, wasn't it extremely funny that the dubbed movie had the scene where Atmu-kun was stabbed, but in the TV anime, they cut out scenes of people getting punched, people holding guns, bottles of alcohol, etc.? xD

You mean where that shadow of his was stabbed from the back in a red background? So clischee. I seriously yelled in the cinema "Replay! Seen that several times in Sailor Moon already!"

@Evans: The novel? As in novel novel, or picture novel? I got it as a manga. (They had a god card as a special in it and some customer in barnes & nobles was so rude and removed it! So all I got was the coverlet for the card. I bet it was Osiris .. my fave godcard ..)

C-A

The novel that I translated and which is on our site (Tatsu no Kiba Productions.) It still needs to go through some revisions since there's quite a lot of grammatical and prose errors that I failed to correct. Plus, I need to put it in a more appealing medium (such as a .pdf.)

I'd like to take a stab at the first novel (the bastardization of Death-T) but I don't have it and I don't think I have the time now.

I remember believing the Shadow Realm was a kind of parallel world where the monsters live, waiting to be summoned by the cards... that was until I read the manga and watched some subbed episodes...

I've never read the manga and it's been a while since I've seen the majority of the episodes, but how exactly does the manga explain what the shadow realm is?

It's more about how they don't explain what the Shadow Realm is. As in, it never existed in the first place to explain.

Bakura got beaten in a Game of Darkness. He became food for the dark creatures ("Victim to the Darkness.") And he smokepoofed out of existence until Yugi killed off Dark Malik and made him return.

sorry, I accidentally deleted my post, but thanks for the explanation.

Most common fan cliche ever:

All the yamis and their hosts (for some reason Marik is always included in this, even though it's stated countless times that he isn't possessed, he's just mentally unstable) are deeply in love with each other.

Oh yeah, also the yamis ALWAYS have a body of their own (and always that body looks like the hosts body when possessed from the series, btw)

Go you yaoi crazed fangirls! *sarcasm*

Yugi's attempts to save a friend are suicidal ( i.e. the time he dueled Jyonouchi when the latter was possessed by Malik ).

Cliches:
- Pair the guys with guys cause they are hawt.
- Hate all the girls, cause they stole your favorite male character.
- All the bad guys have a grudge against the Pharaoh.
- Abusive parents/childhood.
- Bad guy turns good after Yugi beats them.
- The bad guy believes that relying on others is weak, while the main character suggests that the power of friendship is what makes you stronger. Something tragic happens and the bad guy later realizes this.

Misconceptions:
- The show is all about cards.
- Yugi saves the world with cards.
- All Tea ever does is give friendship speeches.
- YGO is like Pokemon.

Nonsense:
- The power of friendship will conqure anything.
- Believe in the heart of the cards and you'll somehow draw the right card in your last turn.
- Yugi will always win. No matter what.

Popular Misconceptions:

-Domino City is Tokyo.
-D.R.P.G. Arc Bakura isn't hax.
-Jonouchi isn't that strong a duelist when compared to others.
-The events of the Shin Duel Monsters series are canon.(I liked them though,D
-Henry D. Tudor(I think..) is stronger than Atem(Both Shin Duel Monsters and manga version.)



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I think only one person said this,( sorry I forgot who)
but everyone thinks Atem/Yami?Pharoah is older than the gang.

ie. he's like either 17 like the rest of them or in his twenties.

If you do the math he's only about 15-16 years old.

A weird thing: In Yugioh Duelist vol 1/Yugioh vol 8 when Yugi plays against Pegasus on the tape, then they were like: "OH YOU USED SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES! SO THAT'S THE TRICK!" but dude.. when Yugi started using his 1337-sixth-sense tricks and used monsters that Pegasus did not show at the beggining of the tape, how did Pegasus' life points decrase by the amount of the monsters NOT on the subliminal message tape thingy?.. I know it was a game of darkness, but why did they think that the subliminal messages thing made sense.. AH NEVERMIND!

Originally Posted by NeoKING

Popular Misconceptions:
-Henry D. Tudor(I think..) is stronger than Atem(Both Shin Duel Monsters and manga version.)



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Wait, you mean the Henry Tudor from Shin Duel Monsters 2/Duelist of the Roses? WTF? I can see how people can think he's superior to the Atem in Shin Duel Monsters, but the God-wielding Atem from the manga? No way.

I will give Shin Duel Monsters credit, though. Whoever came up with the story for that was a REALLY good guesser. I mean, its comparisons to the Memory arc are pretty uncanny

Anyway, enough to the topic:

Cliche's:
Anime-only arcs usually involve the main character getting matched up against a new rival character who pwns him, but the main character is saved from the penalty of losing by some outside force. The main character is then left mentally scarred by the event and must "find himself" one way or another before facing him again.

Misconceptions:
Atem is taller than Yugi

Nonsense:
In anime-only arcs, cards can be made from out of nowhere, like the Legendary Dragons, Super Fusion, or the Signer Dragons.

Misconception: YGO GX takes place 10 years after DM's storyline. (I forgot where and how this started.)

4K!ds' site started that when they've put in info before the the first 5 main characters. Chronos was one of them XD.

Originally Posted by Tobi

Misconception: YGO GX takes place 10 years after DM's storyline. (I forgot where and how this started.)

It is? I didn't know that. But that'd explain why the characters didn't change at all in ten... err, whatever amount of time has passed between the series. Except for Yugi, maybe. O.o

The only misconception I can think of now is some people thinking that Cyndia died because a rose ate her, or she had a plant related disease. Or exploded all of a sudden. The whole thing was a metaphor for her death, and it doesn't help that the dub cut her funeral scene, where her body was shown in one piece.

It's not a critical misconception of course, but still makes me giggle. :P

Well at least its not a car crash/incident XD.

Originally Posted by DARKMASTER

Well at least its not a car crash/incident XD.

True that. XD Or being sent to the Shadow Realm. Or being sent to the stars. However, she did die of an unexplained illness. Might count as a clich�, but we don't know anything about it, so it probably doesn't.

For the nonsense bit, I still can't get over episode 28. It takes What Do You Mean, It's Not Symbolic? to a new level. I was thinking of attempting to analyze the Mind Screw going on in it, but since it is a filler episode, it may be better to not dwell on it too much.

Originally Posted by DARKMASTER

4K!ds' site started that when they've put in info before the the first 5 main characters. Chronos was one of them XD.

No, on their website they put Yu-Gi-Oh! GX takes place 100 years after the adventures of the legendary duelist Yugi Motou. How do I know? I printed a page of that site when it first came out and I'm looking at it right now XD. 4Kids REALLY messed that one up..

...100 years?! Haha, that's even... I don't know. XD Nice one, NeoKING.

Originally Posted by NeoKING

No, on their website they put Yu-Gi-Oh! GX takes place 100 years after the adventures of the legendary duelist Yugi Motou. How do I know? I printed a page of that site when it first came out and I'm looking at it right now XD. 4Kids REALLY messed that one up..

Yeah we all though it was the usual mistake by 4K!ds that why the 10 years after DM came out. Cuz 100 years after DM was purely unbelievable. But in the end its not even 10 years. An after they realized the mistake i think they've changed it to a "decade" but that may be the original.
I also notice screen shots before when their site had that info and also the info about the characters with Chronos that kept his original name. Well about the characters info its possible that was on UDE's site.
Though I never found that screen shot of 4K!ds site again.

Originally Posted by DARKMASTER

Yeah we all though it was the usual mistake by 4K!ds that why the 10 years after DM came out. Cuz 100 years after DM was purely unbelievable. But in the end its not even 10 years. An after they realized the mistake i think they've changed it to a "decade" but that may be the original.
I also notice screen shots before when their site had that info and also the info about the characters with Chronos that kept his original name. Well about the characters info its possible that was on UDE's site.
Though I never found that screen shot of 4K!ds site again.

Yeah, didn't they do the same to 5D's too at first? Taking down the original website when it came out I mean..Remember that trailer that had "Starjust Dragon" or something that was on some 4kids website? I never found that website ever again..0_0.

I think I've had the link for that somewhere.

Well from their preview infos I won't forget that 5 Duel Scoop as their meaning for 5D's.
Or maybe that was in Shonen Jump also.

Originally Posted by NekoRobin

A weird thing: In Yugioh Duelist vol 1/Yugioh vol 8 when Yugi plays against Pegasus on the tape, then they were like: "OH YOU USED SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES! SO THAT'S THE TRICK!" but dude.. when Yugi started using his 1337-sixth-sense tricks and used monsters that Pegasus did not show at the beggining of the tape, how did Pegasus' life points decrase by the amount of the monsters NOT on the subliminal message tape thingy?.. I know it was a game of darkness, but why did they think that the subliminal messages thing made sense.. AH NEVERMIND!

I just read this chapter yesterday.

What it was (I think...) was that Pegasus was using subliminal messages to force Yuugi to play certain cards. But he also was somehow able to predict (through mind-reading or pregonition) exactly when Yuugi would figure out the trick of the inserted frames and start choosing cards other that what his "sixth sense" told him.

As Yuugi mentions, Pegasus' monster being destroyed by is also recorded on the tape meaning that one of 2 theories is possible:

1) "The tape is magic," which I think is the explanation in the anime

2) Pegasus saw the future or he read Yuugi's mind at some point and was therefore able to predict his most probable moves and record them onto the tape before hand.

In actuality both must be true to some extent. Because Suguroku was trapped in the tape, Pegasus must have enchanted it with his Millenium Item. But it is also a fact that Yuugi was controlled by the subliminal messeging recorded on the tape and it was recorded the exact turn when he would figure out the trick.

Originally Posted by russ869

I just read this chapter yesterday.

What it was (I think...) was that Pegasus was using subliminal messages to force Yuugi to play certain cards. But he also was somehow able to predict (through mind-reading or pregonition) exactly when Yuugi would figure out the trick of the inserted frames and start choosing cards other that what his "sixth sense" told him.

As Yuugi mentions, Pegasus' monster being destroyed by is also recorded on the tape meaning that one of 2 theories is possible:

1) "The tape is magic," which I think is the explanation in the anime

2) Pegasus saw the future or he read Yuugi's mind at some point and was therefore able to predict his most probable moves and record them onto the tape before hand.

In actuality both must be true to some extent. Because Suguroku was trapped in the tape, Pegasus must have enchanted it with his Millenium Item. But it is also a fact that Yuugi was controlled by the subliminal messeging recorded on the tape and it was recorded the exact turn when he would figure out the trick.

...Wow. That's some pretty insane prediction skill there. At first I thought it was a bit crazy that Pegasus saw that ahead in the duel, though. It's somewhat awesome in a way, however.

Since this was the closest appropriate topic for this (and thus pardon for the necropost), Ryusaki suggested me I should post this. I wrote a list of misconceptions for Pegasus and co. with corrections for them here, if anyone is interested. :]

Originally Posted by Arynis

...Wow. That's some pretty insane prediction skill there. At first I thought it was a bit crazy that Pegasus saw that ahead in the duel, though. It's somewhat awesome in a way, however.

Wow, that made me start thinking about this all over again.

Throughout the series, there is a motif that all game players try to anticipate their opponent's next move by learning to think from their perspective. (e.g. "If I was <insert-name>, what whould I do?") But just think about if you're Pegasus. He can see everything about a person's entire mental process. In other words, he's not just guessing what moves his opponent will make. Because he knows exactly how they think, he can make himself think exactly the same way. In this way the decisions he makes while thinking in another person's mental state are the exact same decisions that the real person makes. You can think of them as being the product of the same "cognitive variables."

So the question is, did Pegasus ever secretly read Yuugi's mind in preparation before he sent him the video tape. My guess is that he did. And he at least must have done some research to know what cards Yuugi had in his possession. Even with subliminal messaging, you can't make someone play a card they don't have.

Hmm... some interesting stuff you have there. Thanks.

Cyndia died because she was eaten by a rose/turned into rose petals/her illness was related to flowers/etc.

This is another instance where that damned "abridged series" certainly didn't help people realize this was a stupid misconception.

Duelist Kingdom rules are nonsense/are cheating!

Seriously. When are people going to get over the fact that the TGC they obssess over so much IS NOT the same as the game they play in the manga. In the manga, Duel Monsters is basically and a Dungeons & Dragons style RPG with cards. The whole point is that the other player is going to play dirty. That's why Yuugi has to play dirty too, to beat them at their own game. (Although, Yuugi never did things like threaten to kill himself, I guess.)

Well, to be fair, once Battle City began, the manga pretty much stuck to its own set of rules from then on out.

Originally Posted by russ869

Wow, that made me start thinking about this all over again.

Throughout the series, there is a motif that all game players try to anticipate their opponent's next move by learning to think from their perspective. (e.g. "If I was <insert-name>, what whould I do?") But just think about if you're Pegasus. He can see everything about a person's entire mental process. In other words, he's not just guessing what moves his opponent will make. Because he knows exactly how they think, he can make himself think exactly the same way. In this way the decisions he makes while thinking in another person's mental state are the exact same decisions that the real person makes. You can think of them as being the product of the same "cognitive variables."

So the question is, did Pegasus ever secretly read Yuugi's mind in preparation before he sent him the video tape. My guess is that he did. And he at least must have done some research to know what cards Yuugi had in his possession. Even with subliminal messaging, you can't make someone play a card they don't have.

That's just plain awesome right there. Well said! :]

Well, Death-T happened six months before Duelist Kingdom, and Pegasus must have made his deal with the Big Five shortly after. So I guess he did some kind of research. The question is how he got to read Yugi's mind beforehand. According to Sugoroku, not much was known about Pegasus, he saw his face for the first time when the tape incident happened. So Pegasus might have been able to walk on the streets without being recognized. He could have always disguised himself if he didn't want to take risks.

Maybe that sounds a bit creepy in a way, but hey, Toei!Kaiba observed Yugi with cameras. XD (Besides, Pegasus had those "painting-turns-into-a-screen" devices for no reason(?) in his castle, so it may not sound impossible.)

Originally Posted by russ869

Hmm... some interesting stuff you have there. Thanks.

This is another instance where that damned "abridged series" certainly didn't help people realize this was a stupid misconception.

Glad you liked it! And yeah, totally agree there. Episode 40 had rather confusing moments, and the Abridged Series didn't help with things.

Originally Posted by russ869

Seriously. When are people going to get over the fact that the TGC they obssess over so much IS NOT the same as the game they play in the manga. In the manga, Duel Monsters is basically and a Dungeons & Dragons style RPG with cards. The whole point is that the other player is going to play dirty. That's why Yuugi has to play dirty too, to beat them at their own game. (Although, Yuugi never did things like threaten to kill himself, I guess.)

I think it can be blamed on the fact that most Yugioh fans are not as familiar with the manga as well, perhaps? Most people probably know the series by the dub and the TCG. Then people who are more into the series know of the original anime, and then the manga. I know it was pretty hard to learn anything about the manga version of the series until Viz started publishing them as scanlations were scarce. It's still disappointing, though.

Originally Posted by JACK_ATLUS

Well, to be fair, once Battle City began, the manga pretty much stuck to its own set of rules from then on out.

Yeah, true. While the rules were closer to the TCG's, some of the manga rules still stayed (Like Flying Fish flying over Chasm of Spikes).

Originally Posted by russ869

In actuality both must be true to some extent. Because Suguroku was trapped in the tape, Pegasus must have enchanted it with his Millenium Item.

That sounds about right. The problem I have with the theory that Pegasus could have predicted Yugi's every move right off the bat is:

1) he clearly couldn't, because if he could, he would have done it in Duelist Kingdom, too. But there, he had to read Yugi's mind move-by-move.

2) even if he could, he still wouldn't know which cards both of them would draw/have in their hand at what time, hence, a lot of the duel's progress still depended on chance. I mean, sure, he could have stacked his own deck, but not Yugi's.

If it weren't for the fact that Pegasus and Bakura didn't exactly know each-other (nevermind cooperated) prior to Duelist Kingdom, the most logical explanation would be that Pegasus used the Ring to seal a piece of his soul into the tape and just read Yugi's mind from there. Lol, crazyass theories.

Oh, right. Good point, Watson. The draws certainly play a part in unpredictability. But oddly enough, whenever Pegasus had to counter something, he conveniently had the card(s) ready. But I guess that's just writing, there.

That theory is pretty crazy, indeed. XD Let's pray it wouldn't be his kind, fatherly part of his soul--- oshiii-, Eva reference

Simply put. The TAPE IS MAGIC!
Explain that. lol

Though you ppl had very logical theories there but this is still YGO! .