Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[yami14]

someone could tell me if they already left the dvd movie?? sorry to have put in Portuguese.

[Arynis]

First. Post. Of. The. Thread.

[Allana]

Yeah, precisely, that's why I like Paradox so much. He's both a tragic character and a real monster at the same time - pretty much a Well Intentioned Extremist. It's like you don't know you are supposed to root for him or hate him for his acts. (Tamura's comment makes it even more ambiguous, with the whole "grief on Paradox's shoulders" thing.) But with his future at stake, do the protagonists do the right thing by defeating him, or are they just being selfish about their own time periods and just seal the world's eventual destruction forever? (Yusei was all "We'll change the future!", but could they truly make a difference?)

Though, Paradox's situation with the new information also becomes Fridge Horror, to an extent. He said that he discovered the power of Duel Monsters and then had an idea about changing history, right? But Paradox went on collecting the Dragon cards (presumably) because he didn't have his own. Okay, he did have Sin Parallel Gear, Sin Paradox Dragon and Sin Truth Dragon, which would make it a case of Fridge Logic. However, Paradox's line implies that he wasn't a player of Duel Monsters at all, or he was just a regular player who didn't know the card game's real identity. He notes Judai is a rare kind of a Duelist who can control Duel Monster Spirits, which carries an implication of an "outsider", somewhat. And despite all this, Yubel says he has tremendous power - even she is creeped out. Paradox can also inflict real damage with the monsters, as well as fuse with Sin Truth. So if he didn't know of the game at all or he didn't know of the game's special properties...

Just... what the heck is Paradox?! I don't want him to be a cyborg like the Tenors or another Bruno, though. If Paradox's identity is so special, I want it to be something unique, or at least something that applies only to him. Or just settle with Human Alien Time Lord.

It's why Paradox is one of favorite character. He has the light in his heart but his way to act is dark. Protagonists had refused to ask him what happened in his era, refuse to try to understand his motives... It's really tragic for him.

This line is weird. Or maybe Paradox had discover a new way to use Duel Monsters, unknown from protagonists?

Paradox claims, according the summary, his deck is the strongest deck of the History. If Yubel said she feels a terrible power from him, I guess that's means he know Duel Monster very good. Yubel is a Spirit, she must know recognizes a powerful duelist as well as a newbie duelist. Paradox has apparently experience according to her.

I don't think Takahashi and NAS did a movie to show us a robot at final. They know it isn't fans expect from a movie character who has a link with 5d's.

[Lia]

But with his future at stake, do the protagonists do the right thing by defeating him, or are they just being selfish about their own time periods and just seal the world's eventual destruction forever? (Yusei was all "We'll change the future!", but could they truly make a difference?)

Protagonists had refused to ask him what happened in his era, refuse to try to understand his motives... It's really tragic for him.

Well, after all these YGO episodes, we know that the protagonists always try to understand the motives of their enemies and even try to save their lives during the duel. All three of them are noble and understand the else's pain and almost always forgive the villains they face. Let's not make them the bad guys. We can't blame them for trying to stop Paradox since he endangers innocent human lives.

[Arynis]

I wasn't saying the protagonists are the bad guys, it's merely a different viewpoint. Just as Paradox's standing can be questionable, so could the protagonists' be, as in Grey And Gray Morality.

"we know that the protagonists always try to understand the motives of their enemies and even try to save their lives"

"almost always forgive the villains they face"

Even though the opposite happened in the movie? And heck, the protagonists have forgiven people like Dartz (I think?), Kagemaru and Godwin! With what have been established of the protagonists, you can't say they are completely "good", either. Especially Dark Yugi and Judai, who have a track record of formerly doing rather questionable things themselves (Disproportionate Retribution via Games of Darkness and genocide, respectively). Granted, the former had just woken up from a 3000 year old sleep and only remembers his sense of justice while the latter snapped quite badly after the incident with Brron, but you could say just as easily that Paradox went insane from the world's destruction / struck by grief / was desperate.

[Lia]

Even though the opposite happened in the movie? And heck, the protagonists have forgiven people like Dartz (I think?), Kagemaru and Godwin! With what have been established of the protagonists, you can't say they are completely "good", either. Especially Dark Yugi and Judai, who have a track record of formerly doing rather questionable things themselves (Disproportionate Retribution via Games of Darkness and genocide, respectively). Granted, the former had just woken up from a 3000 year old sleep and only remembers his sense of justice while the latter snapped quite badly after the incident with Brron, but you could say just as easily that Paradox went insane from the world's destruction / struck by grief / was desperate.

That's why we'll agree with the Grey And Gray Morality.

[Allana]

Well, after all these YGO episodes, we know that the protagonists always try to understand the motives of their enemies and even try to save their lives during the duel. All three of them are noble and understand the else's pain and almost always forgive the villains they face. Let's not make them the bad guys. We can't blame them for trying to stop Paradox since he endangers innocent human lives.

But it is exactly the contrary happened to the movie. They don't try to ask to Paradox what happened in his era. If they tried to ask him, they could really convince Paradox to stop thanks to discussion, talking, calm attitude. Often, just talking is enough to come back someone to the reason. But they can't do it because each protagonist has a reason to be angry against Paradox. It's all the tragedy for everyone at final.

Another hand, Paradox come from a world dead. His counciensness, his sanity, had been necessarily affected by this vision.

You're right Lia. Yusei had tried with sincerity to understand Aki during his first duel agianst her. Yes, protagonists had forgiven to Marik, Kagemaru, Goodwin. But it isn't the case in the movie because all protagonists

But protagonists did bad actions also. They aren't entierely good neither. Atem did bad actions with Game of Darkness. Judai, even he was controled by Haou, had comitted genocide to complete Super Fusion.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Yeah, precisely, that's why I like Paradox so much. He's both a tragic character and a real monster at the same time - pretty much a Well Intentioned Extremist. It's like you don't know you are supposed to root for him or hate him for his acts. (Tamura's comment makes it even more ambiguous, with the whole "grief on Paradox's shoulders" thing.) But with his future at stake, do the protagonists do the right thing by defeating him, or are they just being selfish about their own time periods and just seal the world's eventual destruction forever? (Yusei was all "We'll change the future!", but could they truly make a difference?)

Though, Paradox's situation with the new information also becomes Fridge Horror, to an extent. He said that he discovered the power of Duel Monsters and then had an idea about changing history, right? But Paradox went on collecting the Dragon cards (presumably) because he didn't have his own. Okay, he did have Sin Parallel Gear, Sin Paradox Dragon and Sin Truth Dragon, which would make it a case of Fridge Logic. However, Paradox's line implies that he wasn't a player of Duel Monsters at all, or he was just a regular player who didn't know the card game's real identity. He notes Judai is a rare kind of a Duelist who can control Duel Monster Spirits, which carries an implication of an "outsider", somewhat. And despite all this, Yubel says he has tremendous power - even she is creeped out. Paradox can also inflict real damage with the monsters, as well as fuse with Sin Truth. So if he didn't know of the game at all or he didn't know of the game's special properties...

Just... what the heck is Paradox?! I don't want him to be a cyborg like the Tenors or another Bruno, though. If Paradox's identity is so special, I want it to be something unique, or at least something that applies only to him. Or just settle with Human Alien Time Lord.

Perhaps Paradox learned all of these things through experimentation. It's not impossible that this is the first time Paradox tried to change history; just the first time he came this close. Perhaps his previous attempts were not successful enough to warrant continuing. After all, had he changed history before trying this, nobody would be able to tell - if he went back far enough, even the Phantom God Ripoffs Polar Gods wouldn't allow people to notice.

[Makoeyes987]

Perhaps Paradox learned all of these things through experimentation. It's not impossible that this is the first time Paradox tried to change history; just the first time he came this close. Perhaps his previous attempts were not successful enough to warrant continuing. After all, had he changed history before trying this, nobody would be able to tell - if he went back far enough, even the Phantom God Ripoffs Polar Gods wouldn't allow people to notice.

No. Don't do that. Please. Let's not bring the ridiculous time travel shenanigans of the current episodes into trying to make sense of the time travel of this OVA too. I'd hate for you to be the unintentional cause of an aneurysm here. Between Yliaster, the Crimson Dragon and now these damn Polar Gods... It's a miracle a black hole hasn't just swallowed up the entire universe and thus ended it all.

[Quitus]

No. Don't do that. Please. Let's not bring the ridiculous time travel shenanigans of the current episodes into trying to make sense of the time travel of this OVA too. I'd hate for you to be the unintentional cause of an aneurysm here. Between Yliaster, the Crimson Dragon and now these damn Polar Gods... It's a miracle a black hole hasn't just swallowed up the entire universe and thus ended it all.

ROFLMAO, I wonder Accel Synchro could be summoned on a regular duel?.. Maybe if Yusei starts running like a crazy all over the stadium.. while making chant.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

No. Don't do that. Please. Let's not bring the ridiculous time travel shenanigans of the current episodes into trying to make sense of the time travel of this OVA too. I'd hate for you to be the unintentional cause of an aneurysm here. Between Yliaster, the Crimson Dragon and now these damn Polar Gods... It's a miracle a black hole hasn't just swallowed up the entire universe and thus ended it all.

Oops. Sorry to risk the health of the universe.

[Arynis]

Because I had finally made it to that one section in the Animation Book...

パラドックスの真意が明らかに!!

30分後に悲劇が起きる童実野町に降り立った3人の前に、ついに全ての元凶である襲撃者=パラドックスが現 れる。破滅の未来からやって来たという彼は、その未来を変えるためにデュエルモンスターズを滅ぼすという。 しかし人々の心と希望を信じる3人のデュエリストは、その未来をも変える力を解放し、パラドックスとの勝負 に挑む3人。だが、伝説たちを前にしてもパラドックスの不敵な笑みは失われない. . .。果たしてパラドックスの真の力とは. . .!?　遊星は奪われたカードを取り戻せるか!?　そして、未来の行方は―――

私はやって来た. . . . . .世界が滅亡した未来から!!

Alright, so Paradox did intend to destroy Duel Monsters after all, in order to change the future. However, it does not say why his future got destroyed.

So the facts are:

• Paradox comes from a future where the world is destroyed
• We do not know what destroyed said future
• Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change history

So what changed is:

Duel Monsters destroyed the future --> We do not know what destroyed the future
Paradox wants to use Duel Monsters to change the future --> Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change history (Although, he is using Duel Monsters in order to destroy Domino City so... yeah.)

I'm sorry for messing that up earlier.

[Lia]

Because I had finally made it to that one section in the Animation Book...

パラドックスの真意が明らかに!!

30分後に悲劇が起きる童実野町に降り立った3人の前に、ついに全ての元凶である襲撃者=パラドッ クスが現 れる。破滅の未来からやって来たという彼は、その未来を変えるためにデュエルモンスターズを滅 ぼすという。 しかし人々の心と希望を信じる3人のデュエリストは、その未来をも変える力を解放し、パラドッ クスとの勝負 に挑む3人。だが、伝説たちを前にしてもパラドックスの不敵な笑みは失われない. . .。果たしてパラドックスの真の力とは. . .!?　遊星は奪われたカードを取り戻せるか!?　そして、未来の行方は―――

Alright, so Paradox did intend to destroy Duel Monsters after all, in order to change the future. However, it does not say why his future got destroyed.

So the facts are:

• Paradox comes from a future where the world is destroyed
• We do not know what destroyed said future
• Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change history

So what changed is:

Duel Monsters destroyed the future --> We do not know what destroyed the future
Paradox wants to use Duel Monsters to change the future --> Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change history (Although, he is using Duel Monsters in order to destroy Domino City so... yeah.)

I'm sorry for messing that up earlier.

This whole thing is getting more and more confusing. xD So, AS LAST - Paradox wants to get rid of Duel Monsters in order to change history, but he can't do that unless he uses the Duel Monsters themselves. OK, I think it's clear now. x)

[Arynis]

I like to think of it as a kind of "fight fire with fire" measure, like a "war to end all wars" act. We don't really know why he resorted to Duel Monsters in order to destroy the game. (He's not called out for it, either. The protagonists just say all Paradox does is destroying everything and sacrificing countless lives.)

[Lia]

I like to think of it as a kind of "fight fire with fire" measure, like a "war to end all wars" act. We don't really know why he resorted to Duel Monsters in order to destroy the game. (He's not called out for it, either. The protagonists just say all Paradox does is destroying everything and sacrificing countless lives.)

Well, the movie itself will make everything clear. The Animation Book's giving us short facts but still there're many questions. Anyway.....thanks for the latest info.

[Allana]

Because I had finally made it to that one section in the Animation Book...



Alright, so Paradox did intend to destroy Duel Monsters after all, in order to change the future. However, it does not say why his future got destroyed.

So the facts are:

• Paradox comes from a future where the world is destroyed
• We do not know what destroyed said future
• Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change history

So what changed is:

Duel Monsters destroyed the future --> We do not know what destroyed the future
Paradox wants to use Duel Monsters to change the future --> Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change history (Although, he is using Duel Monsters in order to destroy Domino City so... yeah.)

I'm sorry for messing that up earlier.

Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change History in using Duel Monsters themselves. His future is destroyed for a unknown reason.

Alright! Thanks Arynis!

[Arynis]

To be more precise, we initially thought that Paradox wanted to destroy Duel Monsters. Then we looked at the Japanese Wiki with the dialogue from which we got the whole "Paradox found out about Duel Monsters' mysterious powers and then he had an idea about changing history" part. The Animation Book only says that Paradox wishes to destroy Duel Monsters.

The "But Paradox is using Duel Monsters cards himself to change the future!" part was just a note on my part. :x

I'll try to clarify Paradox's line from the Wiki with Spinel and post the results.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Alright, so Paradox did intend to destroy Duel Monsters after all, in order to change the future. However, it does not say why his future got destroyed.

So the facts are:

• Paradox comes from a future where the world is destroyed
• We do not know what destroyed said future
• Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change history

So what changed is:

Duel Monsters destroyed the future --> We do not know what destroyed the future
Paradox wants to use Duel Monsters to change the future --> Paradox wants to destroy Duel Monsters to change history (Although, he is using Duel Monsters in order to destroy Domino City so... yeah.)

I'm sorry for messing that up earlier.

This whole thing is getting more and more confusing. xD So, AS LAST - Paradox wants to get rid of Duel Monsters in order to change history, but he can't do that unless he uses the Duel Monsters themselves. OK, I think it's clear now. x)

Are we 100% sure this time, or are we gonna discuss some new revelation in the near future?

Anyway, it's possible that Paradox does not know how his future came to be destroyed, just that it became that way.

[Arynis]

Alright, I got Spinel to translate Paradox's line.

私は最善の歴史を求め、あらゆる実験を行ってきた。
その中で、デュエルモンスターズには不思議な力があることに気がついた
そして私は、歴史に手を加えることを思いついたのだ……

I searched out the best history and I carried out every possible experiment.
In the midst of that, I came to realize that there exists a mysterious power in Duel Monsters. That was when I hit upon the idea of revising history itself...

She also notes that Paradox's speech, at least going by this one sentence, is formal and grammatical.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Alright, I got Spinel to translate Paradox's line.

私は最善の歴史を求め、あらゆる実験を行ってきた。
その中で、デュエルモンスターズには不思議な力があることに気がついた
そして私は、歴史に手を加えることを思いついたのだ……

I searched out the best history and I carried out every possible experiment.
In the midst of that, I came to realize that there exists a mysterious power in Duel Monsters. That was when I hit upon the idea of revising history itself...

She also notes that Paradox's speech, at least going by this one sentence, is formal and grammatical.

That makes sense - he uses "Watashi" to refer to himself, which is the most polite common pronoun ("ware" and "watakushi" are more so, but the former is rarely used and the latter is almost never used anymore).

So, he realized Duel Monsters has the power he needs, yet he still tries to destroy it? This whole thing seems to be the one piece of trim that never sits flush against the wall, no matter how it is re-cut or how many nails are added. First, we thought the cards were responsible for the detsruction, and that he wanted to prevent that; that made sense, save for the shot of cards making the world blue.

Then, it changed to DM not being responsible, and him knowing to use it but not wanting to destroy it. Thus, his actions made no sense; why try and kill Pegasus when Duel Monsters hasn't done anything. Now, he DOES want to destroy Duel Monsters; but if he's using it to fix history, and it didn't cause the catastrophe. It makes even less sense now. Furthermore, why kill Pegasus so late after he made the game?

All in all, it makes very little sense. In fact, the revisions in our information seem similar to revising history in Paradox's way. Coincidence? Decide for yourself...

[Lia]

I searched out the best history and I carried out every possible experiment.
In the midst of that, I came to realize that there exists a mysterious power in Duel Monsters. That was when I hit upon the idea of revising history itself...

LoL.....I like the sound of that! x)

[Arynis]

I think Godwin used Watakushi and Jose used Ware.

Paradox seems to be talking of his experiment still as he's doing his acts and declares how each era would fall soon. Regarding Pegasus, the trailer's tagline read as "Orders to kill the Creator of Duel Monsters", but we still don't know if that was the writers teasing or if it's actually true. (And as noted before, Paradox appears to be someone acting on his own.) Perhaps the power of Duel Monsters was something Paradox found as an useable weapon, considering his future was just fubar.

As for Pegasus' past, I don't think many people are supposed to know of it, or actually know of it, for that matter. Yugi, Dark Yugi, Anzu, Honda, Jonouchi, Bakura (manga only), Kaiba (movie novel), Tenma Yakou and Tenma Gekkou (Yu-Gi-Oh! R), and... that's it. Pegasus was always very private of his teenage years, and the public would only know he was the genius creator of the game. It would explain why Paradox didn't travel way back into Pegasus' past, at least.

Also, Yoshida mentions it here in the Animation Book interview that Paradox is connected to 5D's:

ーーパラドックスはどのようにして生まれたのですか?

吉田: 　オリジナルキャラのパラドックスに関しては、主人公3人の設定がバラバラなんで、時代設定な どかなり特殊 なキャラクターじゃないと敵にはならないだろう と想像「5D's」のストーリーとも関係しています。　だから、パラドックスの正体を知りたか ったら今後の 「5D's」をチェックして下さい　(笑)。

The question to Yoshida is "How was Paradox born?"

The machine translators give really different results, but what seems to be identical in all three is that in order to see Paradox's true character/true colors we'd need to follow 5D's. That implies he would definitely return in some shape, aye.

So even if he died in the movie, the events in 5D's could still alter the future in a manner that the movie's events didn't quite happen. And --sorry Mako-- but the Tenors' meddling seems to be a prime candidate for mucking up the future in the long run. Or, the Signers pulling off something (eg. stopping the Tenors) would also affect the future in the long run, as Illiaster would lose some of its powerful members who could make great changes to the future.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I think Godwin used Watakushi and Jose used Ware.

Not quite. Godwin used Watashi in his normal form, and Ware as the (Super) Dark Signer. Jose uses "Washi", which is a stereotypical old man pronoun.

Paradox seems to be talking of his experiment still as he's doing his acts and declares how each era would fall soon. Regarding Pegasus, the trailer's tagline read as "Orders to kill the Creator of Duel Monsters", but we still don't know if that was the writers teasing or if it's actually true. (And as noted before, Paradox appears to be someone acting on his own.) Perhaps the power of Duel Monsters was something Paradox found as an useable weapon, considering his future was just FUBAR.

As for Pegasus' past, I don't think many people are supposed to know of it, or actually know of it, for that matter. Yugi, Dark Yugi, Anzu, Honda, Jonouchi, Bakura (manga only), Kaiba (movie novel), Tenma Yakou and Tenma Gekkou (Yu-Gi-Oh! R), and... that's it. Pegasus was always very private of his teenage years, and the public would only know he was the genius creator of the game. It would explain why Paradox didn't travel way back into Pegasus' past, at least.

True enough; but that doesn't change the fact that every time we turn around, we find out something that makes our previous knowledge make no sense.

Also, Yoshida mentions it here in the Animation Book interview that Paradox is connected to 5D's. The question to Yoshida is "How was Paradox born?"

The machine translators give really different results, but what seems to be identical in all three is that in order to see Paradox's true character/true colors we'd need to follow 5D's. That implies he would definitely return in some shape, aye.

So even if he died in the movie, the events in 5D's could still alter the future in a manner that the movie's events didn't quite happen. And --sorry Mako-- but the Tenors' meddling seems to be a prime candidate for mucking up the future in the long run. Or, the Signers pulling off something (eg. stopping the Tenors) would also affect the future in the long run, as Illiaster would lose some of its powerful members who could make great changes to the future.

They may already have. Who knows?

[Arynis]

Jose used "Ware Ware" in Episode 110, though. I'm pretty sure I heard Godwin use "Watakushi"...

Well, we gotta keep applying those Paradigm Shifts. Change our viewpoints, find a Paradox. Change viewpoints again, another Paradox... will we ever find the Truth?

True that. It's a matter of time they have an angry Time Lord knocking on their door. "Hello. My name is Paradox. You destroyed my future. Prepare to die."

[GoldenUmi]

Jose used "Ware Ware" in Episode 110, though. I'm pretty sure I heard Godwin use "Watakushi"...

Ware ware is used when addressing more than one person, or a group. When he uses that, he is referring to himself and the other two tenors, and Yliaster as a whole.

[63cohen]

Copied from a dead thread to this more alive thread.

As we all know, the anime is produced in HD Widescreen, and 4kids gets this version and edits it for TV, as well as uses the HD version for online. Licensing HD (BluRay) DVDs for cross regions is harder due to overlapping regions ie. BluRays from Japan work on American BluRay players being same region. This makes the whole licensing dilema harder.. Perhaps 4kids is working harder with Funimation to release BluRay, something Funi has only done for their own shows, and not of a partner. This might be why the movie is taking longer to make it to America, NAS wants it in BluRay, and 4kids is working as hard as they can to do it with what they have.

[Arynis]

@ GoldenUmi: Yeah, I know that. Does "ware ware" carry the same meaning as "ware", though? Or "ware ware" is just commonly used when referring to multiple people/organizations?

@ Cohen: Hmm. That could be possible.

~

Also, we have news! ...Not about the DVD yet I'm afraid, but the movie appeared in a recent news article.

Source: 2CH | Thread | Post

http://www.phileweb.com/news/hobby/201007/15/433.html



It's from Tokyo Toy Show 2010. The movie was demonstrated there as an anime with 3D technology, and apparently you could view a segment of it.

[Lia]

@ GoldenUmi: Yeah, I know that. Does "ware ware" carry the same meaning as "ware", though? Or "ware ware" is just commonly used when referring to multiple people/organizations?

As far as I know "ware" means "both" (formal), so I guess "ware ware" doesn't carry the same meaning as "ware". Anyway.....why am I calling when don't understand any japanese at all. xD Forget what I just said. xD

Also, we have news! ...Not about the DVD yet I'm afraid, but the movie appeared in a recent news article.

Source: 2CH | Thread | Post

http://www.phileweb.com/news/hobby/201007/15/433.html



It's from Tokyo Toy Show 2010. The movie was demonstrated there as an anime with 3D technology, and apparently you could view the movie there, or at least a segment of it.

Yep, it's saying something about 3D demonstration and broadcast.

The demonstration which a visitor can answer what kind of point of digital broadcasting he was interested in using a remote control of a television was being performed.

Well, very nice news. x)

[Allana]

@ GoldenUmi: Yeah, I know that. Does "ware ware" carry the same meaning as "ware", though? Or "ware ware" is just commonly used when referring to multiple people/organizations?

@ Cohen: Hmm. That could be possible.

~

Also, we have news! ...Not about the DVD yet I'm afraid, but the movie appeared in a recent news article.

Source: 2CH | Thread | Post

http://www.phileweb.com/news/hobby/201007/15/433.html



It's from Tokyo Toy Show 2010. The movie was demonstrated there as an anime with 3D technology, and apparently you could view a segment of it.

"Ware" mean "I". "Wareware" mean "we" but also "we are", question of context. Jose uses "wareware" to referring to Yliaster. According the context, that's mean rather "our" in this case.

Interesting new!

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I'm pretty sure I heard Godwin use "Watakushi"...

And I'm certain I heard him say "Watashi". There are some characters who use "Ware" (ie Darkness, Brron, DS Godwin), but to my knowledge no one has used "Watakushi". (Even Dartz, possibly the oldest speaking character in the show's history, uses "Watashi" for some strange reason.)

Well, we gotta keep applying those Paradigm Shifts. Change our viewpoints, find a Paradox. Change viewpoints again, another Paradox... will we ever find the Truth?

What is truth?

True that. It's a matter of time they have an angry Time Lord knocking on their door. "Hello. My name is Paradox. You destroyed my future. Prepare to die."

Now THAT would be the best. Episode. Evar.

@ GoldenUmi: Yeah, I know that. Does "ware ware" carry the same meaning as "ware", though? Or "ware ware" is just commonly used when referring to multiple people/organizations?

Everyone who spoke so far nailed it. "Ware-ware" is used to describe large groups. One can use a modifier like "-tachi" for smaller groups they are a part of (Ore-tachi for we, Jim-tachi for Jim and co.), but Ware-ware is saved for groups with more people. Thus, he was referring to Yliaster as a whole; when he introduces the Emperors, he says "Washi-tachi wa Yriasutoru no Sankoutei".

[Kyte]

Phew, been a while XD

Okay uhmm, what I think on Paradox is that maybe he believed using Duel Monsters cards from others (Yusei, Kaiba, Jonouchi, Johan, etc) his hands wouldn't be dirty since hes using others' cards but able to generate the Sin versions, thinking its not enough and to work with his sort of deck. So I guess the Sin versions represent his sin of stealing their cards and that he'll be causing heavy damage but knows its for the sake of his future.

It is odd that they're all have to be dragons but I guess the hype from each series is in the movie. (GX's hype is the exploding monsters lulz)

Yeahhh does seem to tie in with what's going on with the current 5D's. Maybe the Tenor Trio's little history change they just did could have caused something that distorted to destroy the future. Now I'm not 100% sure how Paradox would reappear unless the Paradox shown in the movie wasn't exactly him. His D-Wheel and how his cards worked were on a whole new scale, seemed to be actual technology rather than supernatural powers. That could be a glympse on what the future may have been like which ended up destroying it. Could be some sort of Momentum energy distort..Oh please don't tell me he got super powers out of the Momentum outburst in the future

Awesome, so a segment has been shown! Wonder if its a new sort of preview? I guess a good scene that wouldn't spoil the movie but show 3D effect would probably be when Yusei duels Paradox up to where Paradox escapes with Stardust.

[GoldenUmi]

@ GoldenUmi: Yeah, I know that. Does "ware ware" carry the same meaning as "ware", though? Or "ware ware" is just commonly used when referring to multiple people/organizations?

Yeah, they already said it pretty much. "Ware" by itself is the first pronoun that seems to be saved for royalty and ancient speaking individuals, well at least in anime anyway. I won't say I have much real world knowledge of how it's used, but if I had to guess, I'd say maybe it was used in the oldern days, like Edo-period.

Oh as a side note, my dictionary tells me that another way to say "wareware" is "warera", which means the exact same thing. This is often used as well.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Yeah, they already said it pretty much. "Ware" by itself is the first pronoun that seems to be saved for royalty and ancient speaking individuals, well at least in anime anyway. I won't say I have much real world knowledge of how it's used, but if I had to guess, I'd say maybe it was used in the oldern days, like Edo-period.

It's occasionally used by businessmen as a formality these days, but rarely anywhere else (if at all).

Oh as a side note, my dictionary tells me that another way to say "wareware" is "warera", which means the exact same thing. This is often used as well.

That's true; but ware-ware is its own word, while ware-ra is simply using a pluralizing modifier.

[Arynis]

Thanks for the clarifications, everyone! =)

So I finished transcribing the movie section of the Animation Book. Until proper translations are out, here are a few tidbits I managed to figure out via machine translator from both the movie section and the interviews.

Given that I figured these out with the machine translator, they might be inaccurate - take them with a grain of salt!

But at least this would inspire people to get this translated, right? ...right?

Anyway, here they are:

• This was Takeshita's first work with Yu-Gi-Oh, and there was great trial and error, but he wanted to go for a darker direction that would work for more people.
• Yoshida tried to balance all three protagonists and wanted to make sure everyone's personality would shine.
• Something about Paradox not really being an enemy (not sure about this one), and that Paradox's true character would be revealed in the future 5D's episodes.
• Atsushi Tamura, Paradox's voice actor, described his acting as "going for a true hero".
• The "Sin" theme came from a witty combination of 罪 tsumi (sin) and 新しい atarashii (new). (The kanji for atarashii can be also read as "shin".)
• Ono said that the last scene would surprise everyone and Hikokubo hopes that the last turn of the duel won't be disappointing.
• When asked what they would try in the future, Yoshida said there might be an Alien deck. Yoshida says there might be a possibility of basing various stories on cards.
• Hikokubo says that one could watch the movie at least four times, three times from each protagonists' perspective, with the fourth time being from Paradox's perspective.
• With someone named Paradox, there's something paradoxical coming up.
• Paradox's D-Wheel has an astonishing impact on anyone who sees it for the first time, it's also some kind of a monster machine.
• Each of the creators said to have their own feelings when Paradox appears on-screen. It might be a small thing, but it reflects their different spirits!
• Paradox doesn't fear the protagonists at all when he's facing off all three of them. The Book describes it as "smiling fearlessly".
• In the last part of the Book it is said that Paradox comes from a future in which the world is destroyed, and that he wishes to destroy Duel Monsters to change history.
• The protagonists hope and believe, but they also unleash the power to change the future.
• The Animation Book calls Yusei's D-Wheel "Yusei Model", just like the DVD sets.
• In Paradox's profile, it is mentioned that Paradox wants to go back to the past to change the future. He's also seeking the best history.
• The Sin Monsters come from the power of "Sin".
• With further transformation mechanisms, Paradox's D-Wheel can fly!
• The small section titled "The Power to Cross Time and Space" mentions that Paradox found the power of Duel Monsters in the distant future and has come to Yusei's, Judai's and Yugi's time period.
• It could be considered that the power to cross time and space is possessed by Paradox, via manipulating his D-Wheel. (Not entirely sure about this one.)
• Paradox's D-Wheel's technology doesn't exist in Yusei's era.

Sooo... who wants to bet that Paradox is like River Song from Doctor Who? While also being a Time Lord, of course.

[Makoeyes987]

So yeah, that basically confirms what a lot of people thought. Paradox's D-Wheel was his time traveling device, the Sin monsters come from the literal power of "sin", and apparently, by defeating Paradox, the heroes have changed the future.

I think its pretty obvious however, that Paradox's D-Wheel has technology that surpasses Yusei's time period. That's a no brainer. XD

What's really interesting though, is that according to that, Paradox found the power of Duel Monsters in his time period. Does that mean, in his time line, Duel Monsters were forgotten? That he had to rediscover it?

[Arynis]

He's a Sufficiently Advanced Human Alien, of course he has advanced technology! 10$ it's a TARDIS, to boot!

... *ahem*

In the movie, he only said that he just found its powers, now that you mention it.

I searched out the best history and I carried out every possible experiment.
In the midst of that, I came to realize that there exists a mysterious power in Duel Monsters. That was when I hit upon the idea of revising history itself...

But it's just odd. Considering all the stuff that happens in the series, and for Paradox to just discover it... Although in such a destroyed future, information might be quite scarce, with most material destroyed amidst the rubble. But still... Something has to be up in that future of his, especially with the popularity that Duel Monsters had during the time of DM/GX/5D's. They may have very as well forgotten about it, as you said. But why? (Apart from A Wizard Did It The Tenors Did It.)

[Makoeyes987]

[FONT="Tahoma"
In the movie, he only said that he just found its powers, now that you mention it.

But it's just odd. Considering all the stuff that happens in the series, and for Paradox to just discover it... Although in such a destroyed future, information might be quite scarce, with most material destroyed amidst the rubble. But still... Something has to be up in that future of his, especially with the popularity that Duel Monsters had during the time of DM/GX/5D's. They may have very as well forgotten about it, as you said. But why? (Apart from A Wizard Did It The Tenors Did It.)[/FONT]

No, it makes perfect sense. It kinda pulls everything together and shows how Paradox was mistaken, and he heroes didn't just defeat the guy for no reason.

Paradox isn't sure that Duel Monsters was the cause for the future's destruction. He only believes it to be so. He intends to change history by destroying Duel Monsters and thus causing such a change that hopefully causes his future to be no longer ruined. By using the data he apparently discovered in his own time, he creates his own deck using the cards of others to change history and change his timeline.

But he's made a judgment that's not right. Him believing that destroying Duel Monsters was the way to change the future is wrong, and thus he has to be stopped. He had good intentions but he was wrong all along. Whatever cataclysm happened, wasn't Pegasus's or Duel Monsters fault.

Going by what's happening in the anime now. It's now heavily pointing towards the Emperors of Yliaster and the Momentum Reactor being the cause. So yeah.

[Arynis]

True, true. But even with the Tenors changing the timeline left and right, I'd hope Paradox to wind up for real, though. And going by Yoshida's statement, he likely will. He deserves one more chance, especially with Tamura describing him so sympathetically. (Carries grief on his shoulders, has a peculiar motive to battle, "I was going for playing a hero", etc.)

I just want that Paradox vs Tenors match, now. Or if it must really come to it, I want Paradox to perform the most badass Heroic Sacrifice in order to take them down, or save the Signers from something, or push the Signers towards victory. With Sin Truth Dragon.

It would make me shed manly tears. Tons of it.

In a sense, I still think Pegasus was involved in the movie just to screw him over again. Because he hasn't been screwed over enough in his life. Oh, Rory Pegasus.

[Lia]

- Something about Paradox not really being an enemy (not sure about this one), and that Paradox's true character would be revealed in the future 5D's episodes.
- Atsushi Tamura, Paradox's voice actor, described his acting as "going for a true hero".

Something that we all presumed for a long time now.

Yoshida tried to balance all three protagonists and wanted to make sure everyone's personality would shine.

Let's say he succeeded in doing this.

Ono said that the last scene would surprise everyone and Hikokubo hopes that the last turn of the duel won't be disappointing.

Well, it's not that bad, but I expected something way more epic than just additing thousands of ATK points to Stardust Dragon. But it's Ok anyway.

When asked what they would try in the future, Yoshida said there might be an Alien deck. Yoshida says there might be a possibility of basing various stories on cards.

The ideas for various new cards will never ever end.

Hikokubo says that one could watch the movie at least four times, three times from each protagonists' perspective, with the fourth time being from Paradox's perspective.

Oh, I'll definitely watch it MORE than 4 times. x)

BTW, thanks for these Arynis.

[Arynis]

To be fair, we don't really know how the last turn of the duel actually went down in the movie, as in visually. It could be a case of Better Than It Sounds that would make us shed manly tears by the end. XD

You're welcome! :]

[Lia]

To be fair, we don't really know how the last turn of the duel actually went down in the movie, as in visually. It could be a case of Better Than It Sounds that would make us shed manly tears by the end. XD

The final scene when the 3 of them part will probably make us shed tears. The final battle/duel scene is also cool, but not that much epic as I imagined it at first place...and I don't think we'll see something so much new about it. Anyway....we'll see.

[Makoeyes987]

It's gonna take some serious CGI and animation to try and make the final turn with Yusei seem epic. I mean, its nice and all, but I think the ending of the duel is the most disappointing. Not to say that it's bad, but just an attack boast to Stardust Dragon from Dark Magician and Neos, is what defeats Paradox? Just....no. Not saying the whole duel fails because of it but that just seems a bit weak. Especially when both cards Yugi and Judai use are "Spiral". I mean it just kinda screams "Dues Ex Machina."

They could've figured out a much better way of having all three of the heroes combine their power to take down Paradox than just give Stardust Dragon an attack boost with their random trap cards. Meh.

[Arynis]

Well, there was that signature monster fusion theory, too. That wouldn't have been any better, in my opinion. (Although I won't deny I have seen some awesome fanart for the fusion out there.) I mean, that would have been too expected... And besides, when isn't there a Deus Ex Machina moment involved to an extent in a duel? Or at least there'd be always something making it look contrived.

Your Mileage May Vary, I guess.

[magicneos]

[FONT="Tahoma"][*]With someone named Paradox, there's something paradoxical coming up.

So with this, for me the thing is clear.
Paradox is who destroys his own future, by destroying the past (for logic, if you destroy the world past, the future will be destroyed)

[Makoeyes987]

[FONT="Tahoma"]Well, there was that signature monster fusion theory, too. That wouldn't have been any better, in my opinion. (Although I won't deny I have seen some awesome fanart for the fusion out there.) I mean, that would have been too expected... And besides, when isn't there a Deus Ex Machina moment involved to an extent in a duel? Or at least there'd be always something making it look contrived.

Yeah, that would've been horrible and cliche.

And plenty of duels didn't have a Deus Ex Machina ending. The defeat of Pegasus, Yami Malik, and Atem come to mind. Or Yusei defeating Jack Atlus the first time. I mean, there are ways to write a duel where the conclusion doesn't come off corny or just completely silly. Why would Judai and Yugi run a trap card that does the exact same thing, with almost exactly the same name, except exclusively for their ace monster? That's just pushing it.

The ending just seems abrupt. The way the heroes were able to barely survive a crushing defeat at the hands of Sin Stardust Dragon thanks to Kuriboh was awesome. As was Yusei giving them another chance of having their monsters on the field. But that should've been a set up for another string of turns of maybe working together to take out Sin Truth Dragon, not just brute forcing the thing to death with the most insane chaining of trap cards.

They just could've done better. The duel just ended rather abruptly and cornily when compared to how it was orchestrated before.

[Arynis]

Okay, you have a point there.

It could have been due to the time constraints? The movie was still 49 minutes long, and perhaps they had no other possibilities to fit in. They were running out of time by the end of the duel. The whole "Let's make a SCREEN POPPING 3D movie~!" scenario could have been Executive Meddling which they just had to work with, for all we know.

[Makoeyes987]

Okay, you have a point there.

It could have been due to the time constraints? The movie was still 49 minutes long, and perhaps they had no other possibilities to fit in. They were running out of time by the end of the duel. The whole "Let's make a SCREEN POPPING 3D movie~!" scenario could have been Executive Meddling which they just had to work with, for all we know.

I'm definitely thinking time constraints. Cause again, it sounds so abrupt and forced in terms of giving us a conclusion and ending the duel. It really should've been longer to give us more awesome plays between the three of them.

And you ninja edit'd your post XD

I'll just say that the reason the top deck was not contrived was because of the inventive strategy Yugi and Atem came up with in order to counter Pegasus's Mind Scan. The Mind Shuffle was great, as was Pegasus's own little counter to it by making the game a Game of Darkness that only Atem could actually tolerate himself. The fact Yugi was the one who gave Atem the only out needed before passing out made it that much more memorable. It was a gamble, that Atem had to trust; all he knew was that it was the last card Yugi drew that Pegasus didn't know and it was either do or die.

Pegasus had to use every trick and tactic he had in order to get around the Mind Shuffle, which he eventually *did*, but then it was that one card he couldn't see that got him in the end. It was a great way to show how their team work prevailed while also showing that they had to out think Pegasus, instead of out top-deck him via a lucky draw.

[Arynis]

XD Sorry. I kind of started doubting if I made any sense or not and I just deleted it before anyone would see it, lol. I guess I failed. I edit my posts a lot in general (like now, go go self demonstration!) because I keep changing my thoughts on the said topic every second.

But thanks for explaining anyway. That makes a lot of sense. *derps forever and gives you reps*

I also like how Pegasus did the right tactic (upgrading Sacrifice to Thousand-Eyes Sacrifice in order to not fall into Yugi's trap) yet that was the very thing that made him lose. I swear, Pegasus is a pile of irony, too.

On a related note, the fact that both Pegasus and Paradox were screwed over by Kuriboh is going to amuse me forever. That card pretty much prevented both of them from delivering their finishing move/blow.

[Makoeyes987]

XD Sorry. I kind of started doubting if I made any sense or not and I just deleted it before anyone would see it, lol. I guess I failed. I edit my posts a lot in general (like now, go go self demonstration!) because I keep changing my thoughts on the said topic every second.

LOL, I'm the same way so I understand XD

But thanks for explaining anyway. That makes a lot of sense. *derps forever and gives you reps*

I also like how Pegasus did the right tactic (upgrading Sacrifice to Thousand-Eyes Sacrifice in order to not fall into Yugi's trap) yet that was the very thing that made him lose. I swear, Pegasus is a pile of irony, too.

Yeah, Pegasus didn't do any stupid mistakes most villains do where they mess up and trip on their own arrogance. He played smart. And he came up with his own evil answer to Yugi and Atem's solution to his Millennium Eye. Goddamnit he was gonna read Yugi's mind whether he liked it or not. XD

On a related note, the fact that both Pegasus and Paradox were screwed over by Kuriboh is going to amuse me forever. That card pretty much prevented both of them from delivering their finishing move/blow.

Exactly! Isn't it hilarious? XDDDD

[Kyte]

True, it is definitely deux ex machina for both Yugi and Judai to not only have cards with the same effect just targeting their own Ace, but also that they had them set on the field at once. Despite how cool it is for all 3 to shout out Stardust's attack name, doesn't quite explain how the two knew its attack name. I definitely hope its some epic animation of the 3 forces combined and not just 'Black Magician and Neos' aura goes into Stardust' No, just no. It would be epic if Stardust is attacking and they use the Trap cards and like BM blasts his into Stardust's blast and Neos, since he doesn't blast, could've dove into the blast, strengthening and carrying it to strike down Sin Truth Dragon. Now THAT would be awesome especially with the 3D, if you ask me.