Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[63cohen]

Oh, so nothing official yet. Call when that comes.

[Arynis]

LOL, Paradox...you're such a dick.

Okay, I'm lost. Was that statement on just looking towards the summaries of the movie until there's a DVD release or tv broadcast on the official 10th Anniversary site, or some post on 2ch?

http://www37.atwiki.jp/ygo10thmovie/

And what's this site? What's it saying there?

When you are a ~900 year old Human Alien who keeps traveling in time, of course killing a few people would be trivial. Especially when you have committed genocide on several species.

Okay, I'll stop now. XD On a non-cracky note, that's pretty serious stuff... and well, more rubbing his plan into the protagonists' faces. And, well, when the whole world went down, he would obviously find a few hundred people's deaths trivial when the entire mankind's future is on the line...

The message and the wiki post was posted on 2CH, but the statement itself is what you can find on the main page of that Wiki.

劇場版遊☆戯☆王~超融合!時空を超えた絆~のまとめwikiです。

劇場で満足したあなたも満足できなかったあなたも、
TV放映やDVDが待ち遠しくてしかたがないあなたも、
みんなで超融合して時空を超えて満足するために作られました。

DVDが出るまでのつなぎ、出てからのまとめにお使いください。

We have been translating that, precisely.

As for the site itself, it seems to be a work of the Japanese trying to gather a movie summary together so everyone has something to read until the DVD release. The links to the bits of dialogue can be found on the right side of the page.

[Makoeyes987]

When you are a ~900 year old Human Alien who keeps traveling in time, of course killing a few people would be trivial. Especially when you have committed genocide on several species.

LOL XD

Okay, I'll stop now. XD On a non-cracky note, that's pretty serious stuff... and well, more rubbing his plan into the protagonists' faces. And, well, when the whole world went down, he would obviously find a few hundred people's deaths trivial when the entire mankind's future is on the line...

Still a pretty dick thing to say though! LOL, wtf? He could've at least feigned some degree of remorse. He basically goes, "lol so what?" See? Paradox is so cold. He's inhumanly pragmatic.

The message and the wiki post was posted on 2CH, but the statement itself is what you can find on the main page of that Wiki.

We have been translating that, precisely.

As for the site itself, it seems to be a work of the Japanese trying to gather a movie summary together so everyone has something to read until the DVD release. The links to the bits of dialogue can be found on the right side of the page.

Ahh okay. Damn, here I was hoping for some good news. NAS needs to be stabbed for having us wait more than six months for this movie. That's not even over an hour long. It's sadistic and cruel.

...Like Paradox. Oh God, I could see him doing crap like this too....

[Arynis]

Still a pretty dick thing to say though! LOL, wtf? He could've at least feigned some degree of remorse. He basically goes, "lol so what?" See? Paradox is so cold. He's inhumanly pragmatic.

Tamura did note he's carrying grief on his shoulders... Maybe he's doing it knowing he's being a jerk to everyone? Or he's really just a madman with a box motorbike. Or he's just fed up of everything. He did note that the world is full of contradictions and humans are bastards. And he's a Time Lord, so that comment doesn't apply to him. *shot*

Ahh okay. Damn, here I was hoping for some good news. NAS needs to be stabbed for having us wait more than six months for this movie. That's not even over an hour long. It's sadistic and cruel.

...Like Paradox. Oh God, I could see him doing crap like this too....

Of course. He did hack JumBANG's broadcast and trolled the living out of them while they tried to find Stardust Dragon, only to go "Naa naa you have to wait for the movie~" and leave. He's probably secretly manipulating NAS for all we know.

Or Paradox is still a secret incarnation of Hiruma. That would explain everything. Hiruma is a Time Lord? OSHI--

[Allana]

Hmm, the dialogue XYZ quoted seems to contain more details than the Chinese summary, but I think it's just because Heleen may have not understood everything clearly. (I recall her mentioning at several parts that the sentence is too difficult to translate.) Yusei calls out Paradox on killing Pegasus and Sugoroku, and he just says it's all trivial. Grade A Time Lord, alright.

He come from a world dead, so the death of people of another time isn't important for him. And since he will create a new history...

Paradox, what a nasty boy!

I guess Paradox don't understand what says Yusei? He hasn't killed Pegasus, Sugoroku and inocent people when he arrives since they are saved by Crimson Dragon and protagonists.

[Makoeyes987]

I guess Paradox don't understand what says Yusei? He hasn't killed Pegasus, Sugoroku and inocent people when he arrives since they are saved by Crimson Dragon and protagonists.

Oh he understood, that's why he said they were necessary sacrifices. I think he just realized that they somehow interfered with his original intent, and thus, he wasn't surprised. I suppose he figured that they'd probably get in the way and thus become privy of his plans. I mean, he's staring Yusei and Judai from the future in the face. That obviously means they've gotten in the way and found some means of borking time as well.

Tamura did note he's carrying grief on his shoulders... Maybe he's doing it knowing he's being a jerk to everyone? Or he's really just a madman with a box motorbike. Or he's just fed up of everything. He did note that the world is full of contradictions and humans are bastards. And he's a Time Lord, so that comment doesn't apply to him. *shot*

Yeah, he's just become a bitter bastard now. And he's more than likely out of his mind by now. XD

That's why I think they need to clarify just wtf happened. What happened to his time period. Was he actually correct in his statement and cause or was he directly responsible for it and didn't know it? Because while the heroes had a right to defend their time period against him and all, it just seems so....strange, that he'd die and all if what he said was true. I mean, if it was, what do you even do about that? What's gonna happen next? That's something that needs to be examined.

Of course. He did hack JumBANG's broadcast and trolled the living out of them while they tried to find Stardust Dragon, only to go "Naa naa you have to wait for the movie~" and leave. He's probably secretly manipulating NAS for all we know.

Or Paradox is still a secret incarnation of Hiruma. That would explain everything. Hiruma is a Time Lord? OSHI--

LOL that was hilarious. Again. He's such a bastard. XD

[Allana]

Oh he understood, that's why he said they were necessary sacrifices. I think he just realized that they somehow interfered with his original intent, and thus, he wasn't surprised. I suppose he figured that they'd probably get in the way and thus become privy of his plans. I mean, he's staring Yusei and Judai from the future in the face. That obviously means they've gotten in the way and found some means of borking time as well.



Yeah, he's just become a bitter bastard now. And he's more than likely out of his mind by now. XD

That's why I think they need to clarify just wtf happened. What happened to his time period. Was he actually correct in his statement and cause or was he directly responsible for it and didn't know it? Because while the heroes had a right to defend their time period against him and all, it just seems so....strange, that he'd die and all if what he said was true. I mean, if it was, what do you even do about that? What's gonna happen next? That's something that needs to be examined.



LOL that was hilarious. Again. He's such a bastard. XD

Ah, sorry my mistake, translator fooled me. Thanks a lot Makoeyes!

I hope 5d's will answer to this question. It's the question: what hapened? Scripters, WHEN Paradox will appear?

Paradox as incarnation of Himura was really hilarous Arynis! XD

[Lia]

As for the site itself, it seems to be a work of the Japanese trying to gather a movie summary together so everyone has something to read until the DVD release. The links to the bits of dialogue can be found on the right side of the page.

So someone's trying to make some FULLY DETAILED movie summary?!

[Arynis]

Yeah, he's just become a bitter bastard now. And he's more than likely out of his mind by now. XD

That's why I think they need to clarify just wtf happened. What happened to his time period. Was he actually correct in his statement and cause or was he directly responsible for it and didn't know it? Because while the heroes had a right to defend their time period against him and all, it just seems so....strange, that he'd die and all if what he said was true. I mean, if it was, what do you even do about that? What's gonna happen next? That's something that needs to be examined.

Well, it's not unexpected. Grief can drive people nuts in this series.

Yeah, clarification would be nice, indeed. And if Paradox was actually right about the future, then the protagonists pretty much doom the entire world to inevitable destruction as well as kill the last person on the earth who intended to do anything about it. Nice Job Breaking It Hero(es).

Actually, the scene which flashbacks to Paradox's past... future... past... (Time Travel Tense Trouble!) are described as "Paradox's reflection" and "Clip images of experiment"... huh? Wait, so that would mean we get to see parts of Paradox's "great experiment" which, like, is mentioned by Paradox dozens of times. His experiment to change history, but he's still keeping it ambigous.

Yusei claims at the end of the movie that Paradox's future is incorrect and they will fix it, something that Paradox himself believed to be nonsense. And then Fridge Horror kicks in because Illiaster is still controlling history, pretty much. Yusei, at the time being, is rather powerless compared to them.

LOL that was hilarious. Again. He's such a bastard. XD

Absolutely. XD

Ah, sorry my mistake, translator fooled me. Thanks a lot Makoeyes!

I hope 5d's will answer to this question. It's the question: what hapened? Scripters, WHEN Paradox will appear?

Paradox as incarnation of Himura was really hilarous Arynis! XD

Yeah, precisely. Yoshida Shin stated that Paradox is connected to 5D's, yet they are still beating around the bush. I'm still hoping Yoshida did not actually forget about him, even if he's guilty of dropping characters. Paradox is interesting, damnit!

I'm glad you found it amusing. XD

So someone's trying to make some FULLY DETAILED movie summary?!

The Japanese script seems to be a lot more detailed than the current summary we have, or at least it's easier to decipher because it's not in Chinese anymore. There are parts the Chinese summary didn't really touch on. For instance, when Paradox summons Sin Truth Dragon, people from various eras start to feel uneasy, like Jack and Crow. Daitokuji is freaked out at Sin Truth's attack, and Pegasus feels uneasy and lies down. Or, when Pegasus appears at the tournament, people are cheering at him, while everyone overlooks Paradox, who then mutters "It is the time of fate" and summons his dragons to zerg the city. Pegasus is all "OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!" at first, then goes "OH NOOOOOOOOO!". So he says it both, after all.

And before Paradox appears (apparently), the three protagonists want to contact Paradox Pegasus, who then just goes "Go ahead". XD (Or something like that.)

[Ryusaki]

Daitokuji is freaked out at Sin Truth's attack, and Pegasus feels uneasy and lies down.

So there's a tiny bit more Pegasus in this movie than we first heard?

[Arynis]

So there's a tiny bit more Pegasus in this movie than we first heard?

It appears so, yes. The summaries expand on the tournament scene and his death, the protagonists briefly mention him when Yugi is brought back in time by Crimson Dragon. They discuss if Sugoroku and Pegasus are safe now. Then they try to contact him after Yubel chased everyone away from the place with her fireballs.

According to the Chinese summaries, Yusei's group talked about Pegasus after Paradox stole Stardust Dragon (when Aki brought the photos), but it appears that part isn't transcribed yet on that Japanese Wiki.

I know Pegasus is the Creator of Duel Monsters, but I still find it a bit amusing that Sin Truth's presence is making him feel uneasy. Sin Truth will haunt you in your nightmares, Pegasus.

Then again, he was always the kind who'd feel if anything was wrong with the game. He had that dream about the God Cards in Pyramid of Light as well, after all.

[Makoeyes987]

Is Sin Truth Dragon so malefic and dangerous to the balance of space time, that its presence is felt throughout the ages?

...Wow, how boss. Paradox is such a cosmic anomaly. I seriously think his name being Paradox is the biggest hint to the reason his time is all borked. HE'S THE PROBLEM THAT CAUSED HIS ERAL TO EXPLODE. He's using cards that cause ripples through space-time for frack's sake.

How can such a man be expected NOT to screw up his originating time period?

Paradox: Oh no...the whole world has been destroyed by duel monsters! This is horrible! I know! I'll create a time machine, go back in time, create cards that defy the laws of physics and DESTROY DUEL MONSTERS IN THE PAST AND ALTER THE PRESENT HERE IN REALITY! THAT'LL MAKE IT ALL BETTER! MUWAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA!!!!!! DIE EVERYONE! DIE FOR THE SAKE OF MY FUTURE!

*Paradox comes back to his time period after changing history*

Paradox: Oh bugger...why is this black hole here!?! DAMNIT! ITS ALL DUEL MONSTERS FAULT! ARGH! I HATE YOU PEGASUS IMMA KILL YOU AGAIN! >O WHY IS SPACE-TIME FOLDING ON ITSELF!!!! I BETTER GO PLAY GOD AGAIN!

[Ryusaki]

These small bits of new information do make the movie seem a bit more coherent. Not only are the heroes discussing things a little more rather than blindly charging in and killing Paradox, but Paradox's doings are also having an effect on people all throughout time.

[Arynis]

^^ @ Mako: Hahahaha, "Why is this black hole here?!" XD

...Which is even more evidence for Paradox being a freaking Time Lord. XD But honestly, what if his D-Wheel is a TARDIS and it just escaped while the future was going fubar, then returning to Paradox in a pristine shape, in D-Wheel form? :P Man, I really want to write that crack post now.

But yeah, that's awesome. Although seeing how Paradox's D-Wheel dematerialized when Sin Truth Dragon was summoned, perhaps that caused Sin Truth's presence to be felt? A time traveling huge ass dragon capable of taking out everything thanks to its effects... wicked.

But if we assume that Paradox is definitely stuck in that time loop with messing up his time and destroying things, if whatever Illiaster and Yusei would do to alter his circumstances somehow and stop the loop, even at the wrong time... oh crap. Paradox could potentially land in the middle of things and everyone would be sorry for it.

Still, I'm wondering about Tamura's statement. He seems to see (or know) something about Paradox if he paints him in such a sympathetic light. I mean, he stated he didn't want people to consider Paradox your usual villain... If Paradox is indeed such a vile monster, why is Tamura siding with him and his motives?

^ @ Ryusaki: Agreed.

[Makoeyes987]

I don't think its due to the D-Wheel. I think its because Sin Truth Dragon is just ****ing nuts. Its one of the largest, most insane monsters we've ever seen. And the fact its the result of a mad man's attempt at changing time and fusing with a monster he created, probably helps amplify whatever instability it may have.

I wish the D-Wheel didn't just disintegrate..I was expecting it to like...explode or something. But hell, it de-atomizing is pretty bizarre as well. I swear to God though, Paradox should think of the ramifications of repeatedly messing with time and look at himself. Could he may have done something to cause the world to go boom? I mean, is it possible, Paradox?

No, its just so much easier to blame Pegasus as usual. He's such a whipping boy.

[Arynis]

Hmm, good point. It's even more horrifying if you consider that a monster is a representation of its owner. *shudder*

Well, Paradox generated that field around him which even caused electric sparks (or something like that). On top of it, he even had that purple aura. Hell knows what is the extent of Sin Paradigm Shift's abilities, but man, it's crazy.

You gotta give Paradox the credit for at least considering that Duel Monsters is the cause of all the misery. If you look at what the game caused as the series went on, or what the cards are used for. The Battle City tournament potentially going out of control (with the Ghouls hurting innocent people, possibly, or at least themselves being brainwashed by Marik), Dartz taking the God Cards and trying to resurrect the Leviathan, the Mythic Demons reaching destructive power due to absorbing every kind of duel energy (Duelists' and Monster spirits), Yubel's dimension fusion almost succeeding, annihilating all life as we knew it, the cards reflecting the darkness in people's hearts and almost bringing the world to its end through Darkness and his world, the Earthbound Gods being raised by the Dark Signers, and then who knows how the incidents with Illiaster play out... For a device which was originally the mere weapon and shield for Atem to fight his way to the Afterlife, it went pretty much out of control.

As for Pegasus, he just has a horrible luck. The YGOverse just hates his guts. On a more serious note, though, you realize his situation is even more tragic because creating the game wasn't his conscious choice. He was brainwashed by the Millennium Eye to create the game so the Millennium Items can assemble. Which did so because Pegasus was an artist, and it could use his abilities. Why was he an artist? Because of Cyndia. (Okay, the dub was more obvious on that, but let's assume he loved painting pictures of her. in the original.) Why did he go to Egypt in the first place? Because of Cyndia. Pegasus is the ultimate puppet and victim in the grand scheme of things.

For Want Of A Nail, indeed.

On a side note, Paradox referred to Atem as "The Nameless Pharaoh's Soul". Uh, what? Then again, he is a time traveler...

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Well, it's not unexpected. Grief can drive people nuts in this series.

It's called PTSD; it's a documented condition. Not surprising.

Yeah, clarification would be nice, indeed. And if Paradox was actually right about the future, then the protagonists pretty much doom the entire world to inevitable destruction as well as kill the last person on the earth who intended to do anything about it. Nice Job Breaking It Hero(es).

Unless of course Paradox does in face live up to his name and was responsible, that is.

Actually, the scene which flashbacks to Paradox's past... future... past... (Time Travel Tense Trouble!) are described as "Paradox's reflection" and "Clip images of experiment"... huh? Wait, so that would mean we get to see parts of Paradox's "great experiment" which, like, is mentioned by Paradox dozens of times. His experiment to change history, but he's still keeping it ambiguous.

A good experiment requires that its greatest details be kept secret from its subjects. If Paradox is himself just changing history, then he could be more straight forward. To screw with the Protagonists like that means that they were significant players in the experiment itself. I think Paradox might have withheld something.

Yusei claims at the end of the movie that Paradox's future is incorrect and they will fix it, something that Paradox himself believed to be nonsense. And then Fridge Horror kicks in because Illiaster is still controlling history, pretty much. Yusei, at the time being, is rather powerless compared to them.

Shooting Star Dragon says hi.

Yeah, precisely. Yoshida Shin stated that Paradox is connected to 5D's, yet they are still beating around the bush. I'm still hoping Yoshida did not actually forget about him, even if he's guilty of dropping characters. Paradox is interesting, damnit!

I would think he's appear soon; but so far I've been wrong every time, so...

The Japanese script seems to be a lot more detailed than the current summary we have, or at least it's easier to decipher because it's not in Chinese anymore. There are parts the Chinese summary didn't really touch on. For instance, when Paradox summons Sin Truth Dragon, people from various eras start to feel uneasy, like Jack and Crow. Daitokuji is freaked out at Sin Truth's attack, and Pegasus feels uneasy and lies down. Or, when Pegasus appears at the tournament, people are cheering at him, while everyone overlooks Paradox, who then mutters "It is the time of fate" and summons his dragons to zerg the city. Pegasus is all "OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!" at first, then goes "OH NOOOOOOOOO!". So he says it both, after all.

And before Paradox appears (apparently), the three protagonists want to contact Paradox Pegasus, who then just goes "Go ahead". XD (Or something like that.)

Oh wow. Well, having the actual script is usually more detailed than going from memory.

[GoldenUmi]

I'm surprised we still no jack shit on when this movie is coming out. I admit I'm finally starting to get a little anxious for it. Same for One Piece Strong World, which is also hitting markets at the fast speed of frozen molasses.

[63cohen]

I'm surprised we still no jack shit on when this movie is coming out. I admit I'm finally starting to get a little anxious for it. Same for One Piece Strong World, which is also hitting markets at the fast speed of frozen molasses.

Perhaps if the movie made more money in Japan (over 2 million perhaps?) it would have been out already. But due to its mediocre profits, they are hoping for profits on DVD with 4kids help. That is my impression however, at least 4kids can make another few million for it.

[Rikku-chan]

Bleach movie took almost a year to come out of DVD and Blu Ray in japan and all three did very well.

[63cohen]

Bleach movie took almost a year to come out of DVD and Blu Ray in japan and all three did very well.

Oh, well I guess Japan is slow then. I remember it took Disney only 3 months, and others only take 4 to 5 months. By American standards, it would have been on DVD by now.

[GoldenUmi]

Perhaps if the movie made more money in Japan (over 2 million perhaps?) it would have been out already. But due to its mediocre profits, they are hoping for profits on DVD with 4kids help. That is my impression however, at least 4kids can make another few million for it.

One Piece Strong World made more than all these movies combined and more, but it too hasn't been released. Maybe it's just a Japanese thing...

[Arynis]

It's called PTSD; it's a documented condition. Not surprising.

Yeah, exactly.

Unless of course Paradox does in face live up to his name and was responsible, that is.

He might be, or he might not be - we still don't know. As I said, he may have a point about Duel Monsters causing all the misery. Or seeing how he's also saying how humans are broken and whatnot, he might just be a Woobie Destroyer Of Worlds, being fed up by the humans and the card game and want to eliminate both issues at once by attempting to save the future. I mean, there's not a clear evidence for suggesting Paradox himself messed up the future, apart of the implications of his name, is there?

You know what would be the kicker, though? Remember that picture of Paradox standing over the desolate landscape which we assumed to be his ruined future? The Japanese described it as "image clip of the experiment", which would mean the screenshot in question is Paradox having finished off an entire era for his experiment (or at least the area in question). However, if Paradox himself really did destroy that place, wouldn't there be smoke coming from the ruins and the sky would be dark, like y'know, something bad happened?

It's just an assumption, of course. We wouldn't know for real until we see the actual movie.

A good experiment requires that its greatest details be kept secret from its subjects. If Paradox is himself just changing history, then he could be more straight forward. To screw with the Protagonists like that means that they were significant players in the experiment itself. I think Paradox might have withheld something.

When Paradox destroyed Domino City and found Yugi being the sole survivor, he mentioned how history would change from that point. "My great experiment has been completed here. The world's history will be changed." Except, well, it didn't - cue Crimson Dragon saving the day. I'm wondering, perhaps Paradox wasn't surprised at the protagonists gathering together because he traveled back in time to follow the Crimson Dragon? Unless Paradox would originally attend the tournament earlier, which is why he arrived mcuh early to find the protagonists in the crowd's place.

Shooting Star Dragon says hi.

Yusei and Jack may be armed with the right weapon to fight now, but the three Emperors are merely a small fragment of Illiaster. The organization is all over the world, they are all over history, manipulating it with the help of society's top people. Unless the three Emperors are special and defeating them would result in the organization falling apart (or rather, the method to taking the Emperors down spells doom for the organization), otherwise Yusei and co. would at most save the City from the Emperors' plans. It's kind of like the Light of Destruction - Judai may have defeated it once, but that was merely one surge that happened to hit the Earth. But the entity is still out there in space, there would be a possibility of it hitting Earth again. (Okay, we never heard of the Light again, but in theory it should be still out in space. Remember, same writer for both plots. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar would happen with Illiaster.)

I would think he's appear soon; but so far I've been wrong every time, so...

Maybe he would be introduced when we expect it the least. Like a dragon's attack out of the blue and hitting... something as long as it would be awesome to get blasted like that?

[Allana]

Yeah, exactly.

He might be, or he might not be - we still don't know. As I said, he may have a point about Duel Monsters causing all the misery. Or seeing how he's also saying how humans are broken and whatnot, he might just be a Woobie Destroyer Of Worlds, being fed up by the humans and the card game and want to eliminate both issues at once by attempting to save the future. I mean, there's not a clear evidence for suggesting Paradox himself messed up the future, apart of the implications of his name, is there?

You know what would be the kicker, though? Remember that picture of Paradox standing over the desolate landscape which we assumed to be his ruined future? The Japanese described it as "image clip of the experiment", which would mean the screenshot in question is Paradox having finished off an entire era for his experiment (or at least the area in question). However, if Paradox himself really did destroy that place, wouldn't there be smoke coming from the ruins and the sky would be dark, like y'know, something bad happened?

It's just an assumption, of course. We wouldn't know for real until we see the actual movie.

When Paradox destroyed Domino City and found Yugi being the sole survivor, he mentioned how history would change from that point. "My great experiment has been completed here. The world's history will be changed." Except, well, it didn't - cue Crimson Dragon saving the day. I'm wondering, perhaps Paradox wasn't surprised at the protagonists gathering together because he traveled back in time to follow the Crimson Dragon? Unless Paradox would originally attend the tournament earlier, which is why he arrived mcuh early to find the protagonists in
the crowd's place.

Yusei and Jack may be armed with the right weapon to fight now, but the three Emperors are merely a small fragment of Illiaster. The organization is all over the world, they are all over history, manipulating it with the help of society's top people. Unless the three Emperors are special and defeating them would result in the organization falling apart (or rather, the method to taking the Emperors down spells doom for the organization), otherwise Yusei and co. would at most save the City from the Emperors' plans. It's kind of like the Light of Destruction - Judai may have defeated it once, but that was merely one surge that happened to hit the Earth. But the entity is still out there in space, there would be a possibility of it hitting Earth again. (Okay, we never heard of the Light again, but in theory it should be still out in space. Remember, same writer for both plots. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar would happen with Illiaster.)

Maybe he would be introduced when we expect it the least. Like a dragon's attack out of the blue and hitting... something as long as it would be awesome to get blasted like that?

The screenshot is a era destroyed by Paradox? Wow. That's strange: on the picture It's like If a unknown strengh or entity has all dstroyed. He seems to be the spectator of this destruction, not the actor. Or maybe It's his own era?

Yugi is the sole survivor. That's means terribles and horribles memories for him. The worst is he can't really talk of this event to others: Jono-Uchi, Anzu... believe him, there no doubt on it. The problem is that they can't really understand because this memory don't exist for them. So even If they can listen and try to comfort Yugi but they can't really imaginate and talking more with him because only Yugi know this event. He can talk about this with Atem but he leave Yugi just after because the Ceremonial Battle.

Or maybe Signers will beat the Emperors but they are the beginning of the real threat. Emperors can be just emissary for example. A little like with Darkness: Trueman is the emissary but Darkness is the real threat. Perhaps It's at this time Paradox will coming, when Emperors will be defeated?

I thought to a ramdom idea. The momentum seems have a will. The tablets come from the space. So, If the Momentum is a part of the Light of Destruction? If it realizes people's whishes? Maybe the Light had recreated in space?

There something I wondering: Paradox has apparently leading experiments era by era. Jack had said there a rumor about Yugi sharing his body with a Naneless Pharaoh. But It's just a rumor. Paradox seems knows It is the truth. How know he Atem's existence?

[Arynis]

^ Yeah, that's why I said it's an assumption. Paradox could have been the destructor but there are no signs of him having done the wrecking. It could be also his own era.

No doubt the whole event would affect Yugi so much, even though everyone got saved eventually.

It is known that the Tenors are doing their thing because the people "can't take care of themselves". There's also the whole thing with Zone. If Illiaster's control on history would slip for whatever reason, it would no doubt have an effect on the distant future. Whether Paradox is in a Stable Time Loop with his own acts or not, his circumstances would change entirely. But the question here is: Would Paradox would be the same person after the change? There's also to note that Yusei didn't start thinking about Paradox's words at all when Illiaster mentioned the future. After all, Yusei did say they'd make "Paradox's future false/incorrect", thus not make it happen that way... The future may have already changed, the movie's events went through a Ret Gone, and that's why Yusei or anybody else doesn't seem to have memories of Paradox or the movie's events.

With that in mind, Yugi should be alright, too.

The tablets are conjured by Zone. While it would be possible for the Light to hijack it, it didn't happen as of now. The Momentum can't be really the Light, as the Light brainwashes people and bends them on resetting the world. It doesn't seem to be the case.

Yeah, that's weird. It could be merely a decision on Yoshida's part, although some people did know of the Pharaoh's existence. Pegasus, Marik, Dark Bakura, Dartz and his Musketeers, Judai... Wasn't that taught in the Duel Academia, actually?

Or Paradox is the River Song of the YGOverse, which would fit with him being a time anomaly. "Spoilers!"

[Prismamaster]

^ Yeah, that's why I said it's an assumption. Paradox could have been the destructor but there are no signs of him having done the wrecking. It could be also his own era.

No doubt the whole event would affect Yugi so much, even though everyone got saved eventually.

It is known that the Tenors are doing their thing because the people "can't take care of themselves". There's also the whole thing with Zone. If Illiaster's control on history would slip for whatever reason, it would no doubt have an effect on the distant future. Whether Paradox is in a Stable Time Loop with his own acts or not, his circumstances would change entirely. But the question here is: Would Paradox would be the same person after the change? There's also to note that Yusei didn't start thinking about Paradox's words at all when Illiaster mentioned the future. After all, Yusei did say they'd make "Paradox's future false/incorrect", thus not make it happen that way... The future may have already changed, the movie's events went through a Ret Gone, and that's why Yusei or anybody else doesn't seem to have memories of Paradox or the movie's events.

With that in mind, Yugi should be alright, too.

The tablets are conjured by Zone. While it would be possible for the Light to hijack it, it didn't happen as of now. The Momentum can't be really the Light, as the Light brainwashes people and bends them on resetting the world. It doesn't seem to be the case.

Yeah, that's weird. It could be merely a decision on Yoshida's part, although some people did know of the Pharaoh's existence. Pegasus, Marik, Dark Bakura, Dartz and his Musketeers, Judai... Wasn't that taught in the Duel Academia, actually?

Or Paradox is the River Song of the YGOverse, which would fit with him being a time anomaly. "Spoilers!"

Yusei does have memories from paradox and the movie's events.The movie probably happened after season four of 5ds.Yusei didn't meet with paradox yet.Paradox should appear after season four of 5ds.If Yusei did forget about the movie's events,then he would forget about Judai and yugi.

[Lia]

It's good that we have more detailed version of the dialogues. It would've been even better if we had someone to translate this stuff so we could make comparison between the chinese and japanese summaries.

[Allana]

^ Yeah, that's why I said it's an assumption. Paradox could have been the destructor but there are no signs of him having done the wrecking. It could be also his own era.

No doubt the whole event would affect Yugi so much, even though everyone got saved eventually.

It is known that the Tenors are doing their thing because the people "can't take care of themselves". There's also the whole thing with Zone. If Illiaster's control on history would slip for whatever reason, it would no doubt have an effect on the distant future. Whether Paradox is in a Stable Time Loop with his own acts or not, his circumstances would change entirely. But the question here is: Would Paradox would be the same person after the change? There's also to note that Yusei didn't start thinking about Paradox's words at all when Illiaster mentioned the future. After all, Yusei did say they'd make "Paradox's future false/incorrect", thus not make it happen that way... The future may have already changed, the movie's events went through a Ret Gone, and that's why Yusei or anybody else doesn't seem to have memories of Paradox or the movie's events.

With that in mind, Yugi should be alright, too.

The tablets are conjured by Zone. While it would be possible for the Light to hijack it, it didn't happen as of now. The Momentum can't be really the Light, as the Light brainwashes people and bends them on resetting the world. It doesn't seem to be the case.

Yeah, that's weird. It could be merely a decision on Yoshida's part, although some people did know of the Pharaoh's existence. Pegasus, Marik, Dark Bakura, Dartz and his Musketeers, Judai... Wasn't that taught in the Duel Academia, actually?

Or Paradox is the River Song of the YGOverse, which would fit with him being a time anomaly. "Spoilers!"

I didn't know this concept. This is very interesting!

I is possible protagonists remenber Paradox after all: for Yugi, If Paradox wasn't appeared, he would have never know who was Judai in the first episode of GX because the Yugi Judai meet in episode 180 states he don't remember to have given to him Winged Kuriboh.

It seems Paradox is appeared at least after episode 111: Crow's arm wasn't completly cured when Shooting Star Dragon is appeared.

It was teached in Duel Academia that Duel Monster exists since Ancient Egypt. Nothing is mentionned about Yugi and Atem. It seems duelists of GX era don't know them, at least not by an lesson in class. That's weird, very weird.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

He might be, or he might not be - we still don't know. As I said, he may have a point about Duel Monsters causing all the misery. Or seeing how he's also saying how humans are broken and whatnot, he might just be a Woobie Destroyer Of Worlds, being fed up by the humans and the card game and want to eliminate both issues at once by attempting to save the future. I mean, there's not a clear evidence for suggesting Paradox himself messed up the future, apart of the implications of his name, is there?

You know what would be the kicker, though? Remember that picture of Paradox standing over the desolate landscape which we assumed to be his ruined future? The Japanese described it as "image clip of the experiment", which would mean the screenshot in question is Paradox having finished off an entire era for his experiment (or at least the area in question). However, if Paradox himself really did destroy that place, wouldn't there be smoke coming from the ruins and the sky would be dark, like y'know, something bad happened?

It's just an assumption, of course. We wouldn't know for real until we see the actual movie.

Only if he destroyed it just before we got a glimpse of it. It's possible that he destroyed it some time before; then, he came back later to see if it was as he left it.

When Paradox destroyed Domino City and found Yugi being the sole survivor, he mentioned how history would change from that point. "My great experiment has been completed here. The world's history will be changed." Except, well, it didn't - cue Crimson Dragon saving the day. I'm wondering, perhaps Paradox wasn't surprised at the protagonists gathering together because he traveled back in time to follow the Crimson Dragon? Unless Paradox would originally attend the tournament earlier, which is why he arrived much early to find the protagonists in the crowd's place.

That's the only explanation that makes sense based on what we know of his actions. He has some sort of interest in the Crimson Dragon. It would make sense if that was why he stole Stardust and then attacked Judai with it; that would draw the Crimson Dragon right to him.

Yusei and Jack may be armed with the right weapon to fight now, but the three Emperors are merely a small fragment of Illiaster. The organization is all over the world, they are all over history, manipulating it with the help of society's top people. Unless the three Emperors are special and defeating them would result in the organization falling apart (or rather, the method to taking the Emperors down spells doom for the organization), otherwise Yusei and co. would at most save the City from the Emperors' plans. It's kind of like the Light of Destruction - Judai may have defeated it once, but that was merely one surge that happened to hit the Earth. But the entity is still out there in space, there would be a possibility of it hitting Earth again. (Okay, we never heard of the Light again, but in theory it should be still out in space. Remember, same writer for both plots. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar would happen with Illiaster.)

The Three Emperors are what I'd be most concerned about stopping. Godwin was an Yliaster member, and he tried to become a God. The Emperors are in charge, and they want to destroy the City. It seems Yliaster winds up with a lot of fanatical leaders, doesn't it? And it also seems that every single time, the leaders are geared towards removing a specific group from power, destpite the fact that Yliaster is supposed to usher in said group (as Godwin earlier said). Removing the Three Emperors would at least hold off genocide.

Hey... are we sure that Yliaster isn't involved in the destruction of Paradox's world? I mean really sure? Jose said they used Rudger to try and destroy the city to erase Momentum. What if they eventually succeeded, and this is the end result?

Maybe he would be introduced when we expect it the least. Like a dragon's attack out of the blue and hitting... something as long as it would be awesome to get blasted like that?

Or maybe he'll be the second guy to interrupt the WRGP, and start stealing monsters right in the middle of official duels. "Hey... hey that guy over there stole my monster... um, do I get a rain check on this duel...? Waaaah!" *Explosion* Or something like that.

[Allana]

Only if he destroyed it just before we got a glimpse of it. It's possible that he destroyed it some time before; then, he came back later to see if it was as he left it.

That's the only explanation that makes sense based on what we know of his actions. He has some sort of interest in the Crimson Dragon. It would make sense if that was why he stole Stardust and then attacked Judai with it; that would draw the Crimson Dragon right to him.

The Three Emperors are what I'd be most concerned about stopping. Godwin was an Yliaster member, and he tried to become a God. The Emperors are in charge, and they want to destroy the City. It seems Yliaster winds up with a lot of fanatical leaders, doesn't it? And it also seems that every single time, the leaders are geared towards removing a specific group from power, destpite the fact that Yliaster is supposed to usher in said group (as Godwin earlier said). Removing the Three Emperors would at least hold off genocide.

Hey... are we sure that Yliaster isn't involved in the destruction of Paradox's world? I mean really sure? Jose said they used Rudger to try and destroy the city to erase Momentum. What if they eventually succeeded, and this is the end result?

Or maybe he'll be the second guy to interrupt the WRGP, and start stealing monsters right in the middle of official duels. "Hey... hey that guy over there stole my monster... um, do I get a rain check on this duel...? Waaaah!" *Explosion* Or something like that.

But why Paradox want protagonists follow him? Okay, there would have no movie If he hasn't do this. I don't understand why.

Neo Domino City is hated by Yliaster. Paradox and anime said nothing about Yliaster. So maybe Yliaster is involved, maybe not. All depends what is Paradox's era, If Yliaster exists always and what are elements they changed in time.

To be honest, I wishes WRGP end without interruption. I would like to see Fifth Dragon, Aki and twins have a real role.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

But why Paradox want protagonists follow him? Okay, there would have no movie If he hasn't do this. I don't understand why.

You see my dear, it's a recurring theme in this series that intense duels generate massive amounts of energy which can be used for any purposes. Getting all 3 together would create intense energy levels, which are no doubt needed when time travel requires such high speed.

Neo Domino City is hated by Yliaster. Paradox and anime said nothing about Yliaster. So maybe Yliaster is involved, maybe not. All depends what is Paradox's era, If Yliaster exists always and what are elements they changed in time.

Only because of Momentum. Don't go by what the Three Emperors say of humans; they're misanthropes.

To be honest, I wishes WRGP end without interruption. I would like to see Fifth Dragon, Aki and twins have a real role.

A role other than fanservice, you mean. Yeah, I agree; they shouldn't have stopped being important.

Lol, I just got the image of Paradox showing up with the Fifth Dragon.

[Arynis]

Yusei does have memories from paradox and the movie's events.The movie probably happened after season four of 5ds.Yusei didn't meet with paradox yet.Paradox should appear after season four of 5ds.If Yusei did forget about the movie's events,then he would forget about Judai and yugi.

If he really does, then why doesn't he bring the issue up? Surely Jose's dialogue would make him think a little after the former just went "THE FUTURE THE FUTURE THE FUTURE" on him. And well, the fact that a man came from the distant future which was destroyed beyond hope. You'd surely expect them to at least remind themselves that they have a bad future to prevent. Especially someone like Yusei, who carried the burden of the Zero Reverse. (And more or less got over it when he finally mastered Clear Mind.) And there is no evidence that Yusei knows of Judai and Yugi in the series itself.

But even if Yusei remembered, the movie definitely cannot take place after the current arc. Here's why:

1. The D-Wheels



Top: D-Wheels from the Movie
Bottom: D-Wheels from this season

Currently, the D-Wheels have been altered for the duration of the WRGP. Now, I'm not sure if this applies for the grand prix only or if the change is permanent, but if it is, then the movie should have altered D-Wheels as well. But it doesn't.

2. The timing of the movie

Using Pokemon movies as an example, they always took place during the current arcs, between two given episodes. Ash would always have his Pokemon he had at the time in the series, ditto his companions and the way he's dressed. They also center around whichever games are the "current" at the time. So for example, if the movie features Sinnoh legendaries, then the series itself is also taking place in Sinnoh. In other words, the movie pretty much promotes the current product, from a meta view.

Now take the 10th Anniversary Movie. The movie may have taken place sometime before or after Crash Town, but definitely before the WRGP. The movie featured that blue pendant from the Crash Town arc, the D-Wheels -as I mentioned- are unaltered. The news article in the movie also promotes Gold Series 2010 which was released on the day of the movie. Yusei remembers Sherry and Bruno among the people who he has to take care of in the future. Were it after the WRGP, wouldn't he remember the competitors as well? Team Unicorn, for example?

If the movie took place after the current season, that would be like a Pokemon movie featuring Ash with a much older party, or would have Pokemon he may have released or stored (or have already evolved by that point) compared to the current season of Pokemon. So yeah, not possible.

3. Plot holes

Do I even need to get started on this? Yusei would be definitely different after the WRGP arc. In the movie, he was still dreaming of Zero Reverse and feeling guilty of his father's doing. In the series, he had already put that behind himself, promising that such tragedy won't happen again.

And not to mention that depending on how the current season plays out, the future's circumstances may change. That means the near future changes, thus the distant future also changes. Ultimately, Paradox's circumstances change as well - he may travel back in time but act out his plan differently, have a different personality, or perhaps he wouldn't even exist anymore.

To be honest, I don't even know why I went as far as to disprove your point. You didn't even produce any kind of evidence to support your argument. At least others can learn from this, I guess.

@ Allana:

Yugi remembering Judai may or may not be the cause of the time-travel-was-it-or-not, mental-time-travel-was-it-or-not, illusion-was-it-or-not duel at the end of GX. Remember, the movie didn't exist at the time, so the movie could be either a genuine explanation for that issue, or we are just believing it might be an explanation for Yugi remembering Judai.

And how do we know Yugi passed the card to Judai because he knew him? He could have passed it to him simply because he saw he was just a freshman duelist. Like, you see a new player playing a game, take a liking toward him/her, and maybe give him/her a boost? While Yugi did mention "This card wants to go to you", this is, well, GX. With Duel Spirits.

I think I may have written a post long time ago regarding Yugi, Judai, and the duel at the end of GX and how Judai ended up with the Winged Kuriboh.

@ Dark Dust Dragon:

Paradox following the protagonists was more about stopping them before they got to stop him, I think. Why would Paradox be interested about the Crimson Dragon itself? He didn't mention anything about it. They were more arguing about Paradox's acts.

Good point about killing off the Emperors, but what if the allies of Illiaster were also responsible? Such as Clark and Momentum Express, who is allied with them. I cannot believe how such a large organization as Illiaster would not have some kind of a backup in case a leader/leaders disappear or die.

As for Illiaster being involved with Paradox's future, I don't think we may know it for certain at this point. We have clues, but everything is still too ambiguous to figure it out fully. Jose's comment on the "unavoidable future" sounds convincing, but it's still too mysterious to jump to any conclusions with full confidence.

Fff, Paradox with the Fifth Dragon. That would be hilarious/awesome.

[Allana]

You see my dear, it's a recurring theme in this series that intense duels generate massive amounts of energy which can be used for any purposes. Getting all 3 together would create intense energy levels, which are no doubt needed when time travel requires such high speed.



Only because of Momentum. Don't go by what the Three Emperors say of humans; they're misanthropes.



A role other than fanservice, you mean. Yeah, I agree; they shouldn't have stopped being important.

Lol, I just got the image of Paradox showing up with the Fifth Dragon.

Yes, It's true. Yliaster wants do the same thing with the Signers. In thinking, It's obvious. But how Paradox had got his energy for his first travel? By Sin monsters themselves?

I thought to the possibility Yliaster could be eliminated by the Signers and so eliminated in Paradox's era. You think they can come back indefinitely?

We had spent a lot of time to wait WRGP and now it is here, it spent slowly. Interesting image, I like it! Why not, with scripters, we can imagine almost anything. After all, Z-ONE and Crow broking his arm was really unexpected

EDIT: You're right Arynis, I completly forgot this point.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Dude, all you had to say was "We're not on Season 4, we're on Season 2", and that'd be the end of it. Instead:

If he really does, then why doesn't he bring the issue up? Surely Jose's dialogue would make him think a little after the former just went "THE FUTURE THE FUTURE THE FUTURE" on him. And well, the fact that a man came from the distant future which was destroyed beyond hope. You'd surely expect them to at least remind themselves that they have a bad future to prevent. Especially someone like Yusei, who carried the burden of the Zero Reverse. (And more or less got over it when he finally mastered Clear Mind.) And there is no evidence that Yusei knows of Judai and Yugi in the series itself.

Jose himself stated that "[they] cannot remember everyone who has disappeared from history". Is it possible that they uncaringly eliminated a whole civilization? The Egyptians did with Nazareth.

But even if Yusei remembered, the movie definitely cannot take place after the current arc. Here's why:

1. The D-Wheels



Top: D-Wheels from the Movie
Bottom: D-Wheels from this season

Currently, the D-Wheels have been altered for the duration of the WRGP. Now, I'm not sure if this applies for the grand prix only or if the change is permanent, but if it is, then the movie should have altered D-Wheels as well. But it doesn't.

I think it's very possible that they can be changed back. They don't look rebuilt so much as repainted, and paint can be changed whenever. Jack could paint Wheel of Fortune purple if he wanted, and he can still change it back to silver grey.

2. The timing of the movie

Using Pokemon movies as an example, they always took place during the current arcs, between two given episodes. Ash would always have his Pokemon he had at the time in the series, ditto his companions and the way he's dressed. They also center around whichever games are the "current" at the time. So for example, if the movie features Sinnoh legendaries, then the series itself is also taking place in Sinnoh. In other words, the movie pretty much promotes the current product, from a meta view.

Now take the 10th Anniversary Movie. The movie may have taken place sometime before or after Crash Town, but definitely before the WRGP. The movie featured that blue pendant from the Crash Town arc, the D-Wheels -as I mentioned- are unaltered. The news article in the movie also promotes Gold Series 2010 which was released on the day of the movie. Yusei remembers Sherry and Bruno among the people who he has to take care of in the future. Were it after the WRGP, wouldn't he remember the competitors as well? Team Unicorn, for example?

If the movie took place after the current season, that would be like a Pokemon movie featuring Ash with a much older party, or would have Pokemon he may have released or stored (or have already evolved by that point) compared to the current season of Pokemon. So yeah, not possible.

Consider this; six months pass between seasons 1 and 2. Six whole months. Yusei was angsty about his connection to Zero Reverse in the movie, late in season 1, and only briefly in season 2 (as mentioned below by you).

3. Plot holes

Do I even need to get started on this? Yusei would be definitely different after the WRGP arc. In the movie, he was still dreaming of Zero Reverse and feeling guilty of his father's doing. In the series, he had already put that behind himself, promising that such tragedy won't happen again.

And not to mention that depending on how the current season plays out, the future's circumstances may change. That means the near future changes, thus the distant future also changes. Ultimately, Paradox's circumstances change as well - he may travel back in time but act out his plan differently, have a different personality, or perhaps he wouldn't even exist anymore.

Well, he does seem to disintegrate at the end of the duel, so...

@ Dark Dust Dragon:

Paradox following the protagonists was more about stopping them before they got to stop him, I think. Why would Paradox be interested about the Crimson Dragon itself? He didn't mention anything about it. They were more arguing about Paradox's acts.

The Crimson Dragon is, basically, the Ultimate Monster. It's a God. It has power beyond imagination. It's in a scientist's natural curiosity to explore what they do not know enough about; and being someone doing "experiments", Paradox is undeniably a scientist.

Good point about killing off the Emperors, but what if the allies of Illiaster were also responsible? Such as Clark and Momentum Express, who is allied with them. I cannot believe how such a large organization as Illiaster would not have some kind of a backup in case a leader/leaders disappear or die.

Oh I'm sure they do; but hopefully, somebody less genocidal.

As for Illiaster being involved with Paradox's future, I don't think we may know it for certain at this point. We have clues, but everything is still too ambiguous to figure it out fully. Jose's comment on the "unavoidable future" sounds convincing, but it's still too mysterious to jump to any conclusions with full confidence.

It is just hearsay for now, but hearsay can corroborate circumstantial evidence; especially with an established pattern of behaviour. We know that Yliaster is not above destroying whole cities to preserve their future. We know Paradox's world was destroyed. We know that the future seems bad because of something humans did. We know humans like using Duel Monsters as a weapon.

Fff, Paradox with the Fifth Dragon. That would be hilarious/awesome.

Yes, yes it would.

[Arynis]

Dude, all you had to say was "We're not on Season 4, we're on Season 2", and that'd be the end of it. Instead:

You know I don't like short answers. Not if I get to explain myself. XD *shot*

Although to note, this Season should be either Season 3 or 4, if we go by the Animation Book. Fortune Cup was #1, Dark Signers is #2, WRGP (described as episode 65-present in the Animation Book) is #3. This current season might be #4, but technically the WRGP is still up in the air, and the Animation Book took Battle City and the Battle City Finals as one arc. Therefore, this could be still Season 3, but unfortunately that's where the support of the Animation Book ends. I really wish NAS released such information on their website. As far as I know, they only have previews of the episodes and One Point Lessons.

Jose himself stated that "[they] cannot remember everyone who has disappeared from history". Is it possible that they uncaringly eliminated a whole civilization? The Egyptians did with Nazareth.

Hmm, so are you assuming that Illiaster destroyed Paradox's world? I'm confused.

I'm wondering though, what if Paradox never saw who summoned the monsters, just the monsters themselves? He wouldn't know they belong to Illiaster, just that they are Duel Monsters. And thus Paradox would set out to carry out is experiment and not know of Illiaster at all?

I think it's very possible that they can be changed back. They don't look rebuilt so much as repainted, and paint can be changed whenever. Jack could paint Wheel of Fortune purple if he wanted, and he can still change it back to silver grey.

Point, but they could also choose to keep it like that. We wouldn't know what their decision will be, of course. (And lol, purple Wheel of Fortune. XD)

Consider this; six months pass between seasons 1 and 2. Six whole months. Yusei was angsty about his connection to Zero Reverse in the movie, late in season 1, and only briefly in season 2 (as mentioned below by you).

Indeed.

Well, he does seem to disintegrate at the end of the duel, so...

Yes, he does. However, look at it this way:

[Timeline #1]
Something happened in the future which led to the destruction to Paradox's world. Paradox travels back in time, steals Yusei's Stardust Dragon, attacks Judai and kills Sugoroku and Pegasus. He follows the Crimson Dragon and duels the three protagonists. Paradox disintegrates due to the attack and his defeat.

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[Timeline #2]
An event occurs which changes the circumstances of the distant future. Let's assume, for the sake of this explanation, as an example, that Illiaster is aware of this bad future and sets out to correct it. Their very attempt to try correcting the future affects the distant future.

But whatever happens, be it the above theoretical example or anything else, this event changes everything. The world might not get destroyed by Duel Monsters. It might be hit by some other calamity. The future might be not destroyed at all. Or something else happens which causes Paradox to travel back in time for different reasons. If Paradox went insane because of the future's destruction, he may or may not go insane after all, depending on what happened. Either way, he is still alive at this point, he didn't do what he did in the movie thus didn't die. (Of course, there's always the possibility that he already died in the future because of, say, a different kind of accident.)

Depending on the timeline mechanics, Timeline #2 is either a branch in the timeline or overwrites Timeline #1. If it's the latter, then the movie's events would never actually happen to begin with, thus Paradox didn't disintegrate at the hands of the protagonists.

The Crimson Dragon is, basically, the Ultimate Monster. It's a God. It has power beyond imagination. It's in a scientist's natural curiosity to explore what they do not know enough about; and being someone doing "experiments", Paradox is undeniably a scientist.

Point.

Oh I'm sure they do; but hopefully, somebody less genocidal.

Considering that all Illiaster members are working on controlling history (or most of them, anyway), who knows if any of them would go insane with their power? The fact that they can play the richest and most influential people like toys would be a good bait for such mindsets. Of course, there could be members who genuinely correct a bad part of history, but we have only seen the uglier side of Illiaster so far. But, who decides if what Illiaster is doing is right or wrong? Their control of history essentially eliminates certain possibilities from existing, and like Zone said, all possibilities must be made equal. Of course, that also conflicts with Paradox's goal. But I don't understand Zone - certain choices must be always made, there's no such thing as preserving all possibilities. Maybe Zone meant it as "Give a chance to those possibilities muted by Illiaster's meddling"?

It is just hearsay for now, but hearsay can corroborate circumstantial evidence; especially with an established pattern of behaviour. We know that Yliaster is not above destroying whole cities to preserve their future. We know Paradox's world was destroyed. We know that the future seems bad because of something humans did. We know humans like using Duel Monsters as a weapon.

Yes, that's true. But Illiaster is more bent on eliminating Momentum now. If Duel Monsters caused the future's demise, wouldn't they do what Paradox did? Unless their attempts to eliminate Momentum leads to how Paradox's future was destroyed. Maybe Illiaster wants to begin at the roots of everything, just like how Paradox wanted to get rid of Duel Monsters by killing Pegasus.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Although to note, this Season should be either Season 3 or 4, if we go by the Animation Book. Fortune Cup was #1, Dark Signers is #2, WRGP (described as episode 65-present in the Animation Book) is #3. This current season might be #4, but technically the WRGP is still up in the air, and the Animation Book took Battle City and the Battle City Finals as one arc. Therefore, this could be still Season 3, but unfortunately that's where the support of the Animation Book ends. I really wish NAS released such information on their website. As far as I know, they only have previews of the episodes and One Point Lessons.

Maybe Season 3. Most places I've seen (like the wiki) list Dark Signers and Fortune Cup as a single season; but as long as the WRGP isn't finished, it's still one season.
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Hmm, so are you assuming that Illiaster destroyed Paradox's world? I'm confused.

I'm wondering though, what if Paradox never saw who summoned the monsters, just the monsters themselves? He wouldn't know they belong to Illiaster, just that they are Duel Monsters. And thus Paradox would set out to carry out is experiment and not know of Illiaster at all?

Exactly. Just because Paradox doesn't know about Yliaster doesn't mean they're not the ones who did it.

Point, but they could also choose to keep it like that. We wouldn't know what their decision will be, of course. (And lol, purple Wheel of Fortune. XD)

So it could go either way. We'll have to wait until the end of the season to find out.

Yes, he does. However, look at it this way:

[Timeline #1]
Something happened in the future which led to the destruction to Paradox's world. Paradox travels back in time, steals Yusei's Stardust Dragon, attacks Judai and kills Sugoroku and Pegasus. He follows the Crimson Dragon and duels the three protagonists. Paradox disintegrates due to the attack and his defeat.

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V

[Timeline #2]
An event occurs which changes the circumstances of the distant future. Let's assume, for the sake of this explanation, as an example, that Illiaster is aware of this bad future and sets out to correct it. Their very attempt to try correcting the future affects the distant future.

But whatever happens, be it the above theoretical example or anything else, this event changes everything. The world might not get destroyed by Duel Monsters. It might be hit by some other calamity. The future might be not destroyed at all. Or something else happens which causes Paradox to travel back in time for different reasons. If Paradox went insane because of the future's destruction, he may or may not go insane after all, depending on what happened. Either way, he is still alive at this point, he didn't do what he did in the movie thus didn't die. (Of course, there's always the possibility that he already died in the future because of, say, a different kind of accident.)

Depending on the timeline mechanics, Timeline #2 is either a branch in the timeline or overwrites Timeline #1. If it's the latter, then the movie's events would never actually happen to begin with, thus Paradox didn't disintegrate at the hands of the protagonists.

That creates a Temporal Paradox. I'll show you why:

-The Future becomes ruined.
-Paradox goes back in time to fix it.
-Paradox dies.

-Yliaster, having learned the truth, goes to the future to fix it.
-The world is never destroyed.
-Paradox never goes back in time.
-Yliaster never learns of the world being destroyed, and thus does nothing.

And it goes on and on. But you may ask, "If they already fixed it, wouldn't that prevent the Paradox?" The answer is NO, because cause comes before effect. Yliaster would need to learn about the future before fixing it. Assuming Paradox is how they learned, if he never goes back to that point, they never learn. And no, this does not contradict the above; because seeing Paradox would make Yliaster realize they had created a bigger problem by erasing the future; thus, they would try to fix it.

Considering that all Illiaster members are working on controlling history (or most of them, anyway), who knows if any of them would go insane with their power? The fact that they can play the richest and most influential people like toys would be a good bait for such mindsets. Of course, there could be members who genuinely correct a bad part of history, but we have only seen the uglier side of Illiaster so far. But, who decides if what Illiaster is doing is right or wrong? Their control of history essentially eliminates certain possibilities from existing, and like Zone said, all possibilities must be made equal. Of course, that also conflicts with Paradox's goal. But I don't understand Zone - certain choices must be always made, there's no such thing as preserving all possibilities. Maybe Zone meant it as "Give a chance to those possibilities muted by Illiaster's meddling"?

I think that Yliaster has somehow gotten a breakdown in communication with Zone; and that now they're goung by their interpretation of God's word, creating further problems. Not unlike real world religion.

Yes, that's true. But Illiaster is more bent on eliminating Momentum now. If Duel Monsters caused the future's demise, wouldn't they do what Paradox did? Unless their attempts to eliminate Momentum leads to how Paradox's future was destroyed. Maybe Illiaster wants to begin at the roots of everything, just like how Paradox wanted to get rid of Duel Monsters by killing Pegasus.

Exactly.

[Arynis]

Maybe Season 3. Most places I've seen (like the wiki) list Dark Signers and Fortune Cup as a single season; but as long as the WRGP isn't finished, it's still one season.

Yeah, Season 3 would sound good.

That creates a Temporal Paradox. I'll show you why:

-The Future becomes ruined.
-Paradox goes back in time to fix it.
-Paradox dies.

-Yliaster, having learned the truth, goes to the future to fix it.
-The world is never destroyed.
-Paradox never goes back in time.
-Yliaster never learns of the world being destroyed, and thus does nothing.

And it goes on and on. But you may ask, "If they already fixed it, wouldn't that prevent the Paradox?" The answer is NO, because cause comes before effect. Yliaster would need to learn about the future before fixing it. Assuming Paradox is how they learned, if he never goes back to that point, they never learn. And no, this does not contradict the above; because seeing Paradox would make Yliaster realize they had created a bigger problem by erasing the future; thus, they would try to fix it.

No, not the Clock Roaches! But looks like that possibility wouldn't be possible, oops.

Although my point was still on some unexpected event changing the future, I guess I worded it badly, as I didn't want to peg the above example as a demonstration. Or I should have come up with something better. XD;

Today's episode would be a good example. The Tenors decided to rewrite history so they are the stars of the tournament now, only the Signers and Team Ragnarok were unaffected by the memory alteration. Changing history even in such a manner could lead to problems.

I think that Yliaster has somehow gotten a breakdown in communication with Zone; and that now they're goung by their interpretation of God's word, creating further problems. Not unlike real world religion.

Hmm, could be.

[Allana]

Yeah, Season 3 would sound good.



No, not the Clock Roaches! But looks like that possibility wouldn't be possible, oops.

Although my point was still on some unexpected event changing the future, I guess I worded it badly, as I didn't want to peg the above example as a demonstration. Or I should have come up with something better. XD;

Today's episode would be a good example. The Tenors decided to rewrite history so they are the stars of the tournament now, only the Signers and Team Ragnarok were unaffected by the memory alteration. Changing history even in such a manner could lead to problems.

Hmm, could be.

This episode was pretty interesting even I need to see subs. The Signers can sucess to recreates History like she was before and perhaps It's for this reason the world lead on the path of the destruction. But like you noticed, the problem can be more far in the future.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

No, not the Clock Roaches! But looks like that possibility wouldn't be possible, oops.

Although my point was still on some unexpected event changing the future, I guess I worded it badly, as I didn't want to peg the above example as a demonstration. Or I should have come up with something better. XD;

Today's episode would be a good example. The Tenors decided to rewrite history so they are the stars of the tournament now, only the Signers and Team Ragnarok were unaffected by the memory alteration. Changing history even in such a manner could lead to problems.

Changing into the stars eh? So, I guess they made good on their word.

[Makoeyes987]

Ugh, I hate this season more and more. Christ.

It's not so much rewriting tangible history. More like a form of massive hypnosis, and reality warping. They didn't change the past. They changed the perception of the past, along with the physical evidence for it as well.

It's so unbearably broken and overpowered its laughable. People thought Dartz and his Atlantis hax were bad? El oh el.

I think this again clearly establishes that what Yliaster does compared to Paradox are entirely different.

Paradox is LITERALLY traveling in time.

Yliaster...is...literally messing with history by mind controlling people and changing reality.

...And here I thought Yliaster would have a bit more subtlety and intrigue ala the Illuminati or some other fictional cabal. LOL OH YGO. YOU NEVER FAIL.

Just...wtf.

[Arynis]

^ Yeah, I was kind of confused on exactly what the Tenors did. But still, if people's perception of history changes, wouldn't they do things differently? Like, knowledge of A leads to B, but knowledge of C would lead to D instead.

Although we still don't know what kind of travel method the Tenors exactly use.

Also, I read your post in the Episode 117 thread as well. All I can say is: Both Dartz, Doma, Illiaster and the current season were plotted by Yoshida Shin. Same writer, same methods. It's really not worth getting worked up over it that much. ;_; (Lol, and this is coming from me. It just feels weird to see you this annoyed.)

[Makoeyes987]

^ Yeah, I was kind of confused on exactly what the Tenors did. But still, if people's perception of history changes, wouldn't they do things differently? Like, knowledge of A leads to B, but knowledge of C would lead to D instead.

Yeah. But that really only would effect how they live out in the present. So they can basically manipulate what people do, and how they remember what they did. I mean, that's pretty damn insane.

Although we still don't know what kind of travel method the Tenors exactly use.

We don't know if they can travel through time. But at this rate, I wouldn't be surprised. Placido can cut through space and warp wherever he likes, after all.

Also, I read your post in the Episode 117 thread as well. All I can say is: Both Dartz, Doma, Illiaster and the current season were plotted by Yoshida Shin. Same writer, same methods. It's really not worth getting worked up over it that much. ;_; (Lol, and this is coming from me. It just feels weird to see you this annoyed.)

Ha, yeah. I know. And I think he did the Society of Light Season 2 arc of GX. Which also sounds just like this. Which of course, had the Light of Destruction influencing and manipulating mankind through its power since the beginning of civilization. Civilizations rising and falling thanks to the influence of the Light of Destruction.

You know... I think I want to punch him. XD

And I've always been this annoyed but I think the whole plot hax the Emperors demonstrated all at once, coupled with this new team Ragnarok and their god cards coming out of nowhere just...released the flood gates XDDD

[Arynis]

Yeah. But that really only would effect how they live out in the present. So they can basically manipulate what people do, and how they remember what they did. I mean, that's pretty damn insane.

Hmm, true. And, absolutely. Where's my Moral Event Horizon? ...Wait, what horizon? We crossed it and left that behind ages ago, didn't we?

We don't know if they can travel through time. But at this rate, I wouldn't be surprised. Placido can cut through space and warp wherever he likes, after all.

True that. Or cross between alternate realities, at least.

Ha, yeah. I know. And I think he did the Society of Light Season 2 arc of GX. Which also sounds just like this. Which of course, had the Light of Destruction influencing and manipulating mankind through its power since the beginning of civilization. Civilizations rising and falling thanks to the influence of the Light of Destruction.

You know... I think I want to punch him. XD

And I've always been this annoyed but I think the whole plot hax the Emperors demonstrated all at once, coupled with this new team Ragnarok and their god cards coming out of nowhere just...released the flood gates XDDD

You know, now that you mentioned that Light of Destruction parallel, I'm wondering if Yoshida is trying to pull a Deconstruction on the concept of fate and determinism in 5D's, or at least continue what was started in GX's Society of Light arc. GX Deconstructed the card game. Jose mentioned how there's an unavoidable future despite their effort to change history. Do people really have their free will, or everyone's indeed subjected under Illiaster's control? To be fair, despite their overpoweredness or whatever, it's a rather frightening thought that whatever a person does in life would be changed the other second or have their memories rewritten at any time. If anything, it's a good dose of Fridge Horror/High Octane Nightmare Fuel. Maybe it's just me.

Awwww. Well, let's hope for the best from this point? XD (Or you know, pray hope wonder if the series provides us with more crack material. *shot*)

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From the episode thread, by LeArk:

Clark notes basically upon inquriry, since Yusei, Sherry, and Bruno are going to die, that the Infinity wormhole device isn't just for Space Travel. It was developed by Dr. LeBlanc and Illiaster. Illiaster however, due to understanding that Wormholes can open to any point in time and space, wishes to use it to rewrite history to their whim.

I think Yusei's shuttle and Sherry flying into the Wormhole might have more do with this than anything the three stooges are up to.

Also, Dr. LeBlanc developed the key card for the Infinity wormhole machine: Z-One.
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The Spiral City is apparently the ultimate/final Momentum Reactor. Its use apparently causes the entire human race to go extinct.

Hmm, that would imply that the Tenors can't travel in time, yet Paradox can...

And if the entire human race were to go extinct... but Paradox is still around... and Paradox can travel in time...

Can we finally confirm him as a Time Lord now? It's so damn obvious. XD Or alternately, the usage of the Ultimate Momentum Reactor was close to killing him as well, or just wounded him very badly, then he regenerated into his movie form.

[Makoeyes987]

Hmm, true. And, absolutely. Where's my Moral Event Horizon? ...Wait, what horizon? We crossed it and left that behind ages ago, didn't we?

LOL exactly.

True that. Or cross between alternate realities, at least.

What really gets me, is that they're all possibly androids. Who built them?

You know, now that you mentioned that Light of Destruction parallel, I'm wondering if Yoshida is trying to pull a Deconstruction on the concept of fate and determinism in 5D's, or at least continue what was started in GX's Society of Light arc. GX Deconstructed the card game. Jose mentioned how there's an unavoidable future despite their effort to change history. Do people really have their free will, or everyone's indeed subjected under Illiaster's control? To be fair, despite their overpoweredness or whatever, it's a rather frightening thought that whatever a person does in life would be changed the other second or have their memories rewritten at any time. If anything, it's a good dose of Fridge Horror/High Octane Nightmare Fuel. Maybe it's just me.

I'm sure that's what he was going for with Doma. As for the card game being deconstructed, Yami Malik did that way back with Battle City, when he systematically inflicted pain and suffering on each of Yugi's friends, with all of his Punishment Games. Hell, Pegasus even hinted at it. With his own game of darkness and revealing just how dark the origins of Duel Monsters are, and how the Millennium Items house a malefic (god I love using that word) intent.

I get that's Yoshida's favorite theme and all. But he's got to give it a rest. How many super secret evil organizations/entities that have been around since mankind's beginnings are there in YGO? Do they have a guild? A gang? Some sort of means of ensuring they don't step on each other's toes? Because I really want to know how Yliaster, Doma, and Light of Destruction get along. It'd be great to put them all in a room together and see how it all works out.

Awwww. Well, let's hope for the best from this point? XD (Or you know, pray hope wonder if the series provides us with more crack material. *shot*)

At the very least, I always wanted more mythical dieties to be included in YGO. And the Norse Gods look cool. But...I dunno.

From the episode thread, by LeArk:



Hmm, that would imply that the Tenors can't travel in time, yet Paradox can...

Yay for Paradox not being completely overshadowed!

And if the entire human race were to go extinct... but Paradox is still around... and Paradox can travel in time...

Can we finally confirm him as a Time Lord now? It's so damn obvious. XD Or alternately, the usage of the Ultimate Momentum Reactor was close to killing him as well, or just wounded him very badly, then he regenerated into his movie form.

LOL I guess we can now. XD

[Arynis]

What really gets me, is that they're all possibly androids. Who built them?

Hmm... Zone could also qualify as an android, somewhat. There was a shriveled face inside that mechanic shell. If Zone created Illiaster, he could have made them in his own image? Or... sorta...

Of course, you'd then have to ask how Zone was made. Damnit.

I'm sure that's what he was going for with Doma. As for the card game being deconstructed, Yami Malik did that way back with Battle City, when he systematically inflicted pain and suffering on each of Yugi's friends, with all of his Punishment Games. Hell, Pegasus even hinted at it. With his own game of darkness and revealing just how dark the origins of Duel Monsters are, and how the Millennium Items house a malefic (god I love using that word) intent.

True, true. (Also, I have subs and the episodes now, so hopefully I'll finally begin Battle City 8V; /off-topic ) And haha, you and the malefic word. XD

The Millennium Items and their evil intelligence was such a cool aspect. Pegasus being brainwashed by the Eye made the poor guy even more tragic, and I love it.

I get that's Yoshida's favorite theme and all. But he's got to give it a rest. How many super secret evil organizations/entities that have been around since mankind's beginnings are there in YGO? Do they have a guild? A gang? Some sort of means of ensuring they don't step on each other's toes? Because I really want to know how Yliaster, Doma, and Light of Destruction get along. It'd be great to put them all in a room together and see how it all works out.

...Why am I imagining a fanfic of that, Squirrelking style? Damnit, it's too late and I'm starting to get incoherent. XD Or just have that screnario reenacted somehow... somehow.

At the very least, I always wanted more mythical dieties to be included in YGO. And the Norse Gods look cool. But...I dunno.

It's too early to judge them now, I think... May you get happier by next week! Or shed more tears, but let's hope that won't come.

Yay for Paradox not being completely overshadowed!

Pegging Paradox as a Time Lord solves everything easily, I swear.

[NeoArkadia]

Well the problem is that NAS's summaries and later in-character Dialogue I didn't see/double check seems to indicate the timey-wimey stuff of 117 is Illiaster's fault. But a Wormhole you know. Does give them Time Travel. Just their Time Travel is less awesome than Paradox's.

Edit: Also, I would totally go for Crack fics with Doma, Bedsheet of Doom, and the Three Stooges arguing with each other.

[63cohen]

Wait, you're saying Paradox is from the alternate future Yliaster made happen in 117? Or the AU made from all their changing ways all together?

[NeoArkadia]

What's confirmed is: Illiaster is behind the Infinity device. The Infinity Device creates worm holes. The Emperors are part of Illiaster. Thus they have access to the Infinity Device. It stands to logic and reason that the Wormholes (Which can be Time Travel Devices) and the Emperors are interconnected.

Also, nothing about Paradox has been said offically. What was said offically in 117 was this: The Spiral City in the sky (Referred to as a "Floating Island" in dialogue) was said by the ghost of Dr. Fudo to be

"Jinrui wo Hametsu ni Michibiku Saigo no Moomento"
roughly
"Mankind will be lead down the road to ruin/extinction/destruction by the {Final/Last} Momentum (Reactor)."

Take it as you will.

[Allana]

Z-ONE know existence of the Signers. He said to Yusei chances must be equals: If he say is true, he can't accept one side exists and not other. The fight must be perpetual. He can have created Tenor Trio itself for Signers had someone to fight, to continue the fight between Light and Darkness.

What future Paradox came from? Complicate. He is definitively the Time Lord, the one who travel time, how maniulates it and what are the differents possibilities. It's the most badass and stronger character in 5d's. Even protagonists together can't surpass him. Travel Time is really better than just changing time. At leat you see really History and events, know really the truth. Just for this, I would like know travel time and see famous events and character in History! It will be so fascinating! I could say I know really the historical truth thanks to this.

Personnally, I have no problem with the way which turn this season, I'm a science fiction fan. But It's really unexpected. If someone said me in advance how the season would have advanced I think I would have said him: "Are you smoking?". Changing time reminds me severals episodes of Stargate.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Hmm... Zone could also qualify as an android, somewhat. There was a shriveled face inside that mechanic shell. If Zone created Illiaster, he could have made them in his own image? Or... sorta...

Of course, you'd then have to ask how Zone was made. Damnit.

Androids are named because they are anthropomorphic. That means full-on human body. Just having a face doesn't cut it. Now, if he's completely inside that shell, I guess he could be; except that, unlike the Emperors, his eyes reflect light.