Thread: Yuugi Beat Atemu, Skill or Fate?

Skill. Yugi pulled some extremely skillful moves against Atemu.

Skill, without a doubt. Yugi has a lot of skill to his Deck, and he had a good understanding of Atem's Deck and Dueling style from observing him all that time. And he had time to prepare his Duel for that as well as in his owns tyle.

Bryon

Also skill. Yugi created the tactics to beat the gods, and atems deck with his own. That requires alot of skill. And the duelist kingdom part, he was really still connecting with atem then, and i dont doubt yugi, but atem was right to go through the part of duelist kindom, due to yugi still becoming a braver and better duelist, i dont think he could have really done it without atem.

Originally Posted by Bryon_Youngblood

Skill, without a doubt. Yugi has a lot of skill to his Deck, and he had a good understanding of Atem's Deck and Dueling style from observing him all that time. And he had time to prepare his Duel for that as well as in his owns tyle.

Bryon

Yep, Skill and absolute skill....
Specially because how Atem duels.....

Dont know maybe Luck because It always comes out as If he draws a good card all the time.

The duel between Yugi and Atem, that was more of a matter of skill than fate. Yugi showed killer combos and prevailed, even when Atemu used the God Cards and the Dark Magicians against him. In a way, Yugi might be more skilled than Atem.

I dont know he seems to me he always pulls out the right cards the right time. Even, you guys have to admit.

Everyone in the anime does really. But Yugi himself had the best understanding of Atem's Deck so he was well-prepared, like when everyone thought it a waste when he had Silent Swordsman attack Obelisk and Atem countered with his set Mirror Force. As we know though, Yugi just had his Magnet Force combo all set up to finish the God Cards.

Bryon

Originally Posted by Ronaldinho_10

I dont know he seems to me he always pulls out the right cards the right time. Even, you guys have to admit.

Not really. It was more Atemu doing that (at one point he even stopped looking at his cards, knowing what he was going to be drawing). Most of Yugi's moves were planned in advance.

Fate's biggest role in the outcome of the duel, was Atemu going down at the end with Osiris, which is the card that best represents him.

Extreme skill with a slight twist of fate.

Atemu could pull any card he wanted at any time (and don't say that's not true cause it most certainly was...). And Yugi STILL won. If that's not skill I don't know what is.

But it was strongly hinted at that Yugi was destined to surpass Atemu and obtain the "Duel King" mantle, so you could say that Atemu's cards were drawn by his will and Yugi's were drawn by his fate...

I feel it is fate because Yugi was destined to duel against Atemu who was supposed to lose. If it wasn't then Atemu would have won. Sure Yugi knows Atemu's deck, but still after being with someone that long you start to get their luck. This is my opinion.

I think it was skill, because Yugi learned much from Atemu all the time being together with him. Not only how to play but also to be selfconfident and so on. He was on the best way when he dueled Keith at the beginning of Battle City but still not enough. He had enough time to learn, so in Duelist Kingdom when Atemu let him play some turns (it was tactics, but still a way for Yugi to give everything he has and to learn from Atemu).

It takes skills to use the cards you get in a duel, in the most effeicient way possible. Skills and knowledge of his opponent's dueling tactics.I mean would you have sealed your own Monster reborn? I don't think so.

Both.

Skill because Yuugi did pull of some amazing skills to beat the cards Atem had. (The gods for example.)

But there was fate also, with the amazing top Deck of Yuugi when he used that spell card to get Treasure from Heaven.

I say there was a bit of both. (Plus it shows Yuugi has gotten stronger with the aid of Atem.)

I choose Fate.

Yes, Yugi was a better duelist when he dueled Atem. But he needed luck to draw those exact combo cards to defeat Atem's Gods. Although it took luck for Atem also, it took luck for Yugi. So let's minus the luck on both sides. Without luck, Atem've probably summoned 1 God. But, without luck, Little Yugi would've fallen victim to that 1 God Card. So I vote for Luck/Fate.

Originally Posted by k4r6000

Not really. It was more Atemu doing that (at one point he even stopped looking at his cards, knowing what he was going to be drawing). Most of Yugi's moves were planned in advance.

Fate's biggest role in the outcome of the duel, was Atemu going down at the end with Osiris, which is the card that best represents him.

Well I guess your kinda right.

Originally Posted by changwoo

I choose Fate.

Yes, Yugi was a better duelist when he dueled Atem. But he needed luck to draw those exact combo cards to defeat Atem's Gods. Although it took luck for Atem also, it took luck for Yugi. So let's minus the luck on both sides. Without luck, Atem've probably summoned 1 God. But, without luck, Little Yugi would've fallen victim to that 1 God Card. So I vote for Luck/Fate.

That may have been, but practically every character in the show who wins just happens to draw the right cards. No exceptions.

I believe it's Skill.

One feature is that Duel is Yugi being able to foresee and prepare for Atem's strategies. Which is a type of skill by itself.

Although many would think about the handicap of Yugi knowing almost everythings about Atem's Deck (and Atem knowing next to nothing about Yugi's), one also has to consider the HUGE advantage of Atem having all 3 God's cards in his Deck. This should counter off any advantage Yugi has in knowing Atem's Deck. Knowing what will happen and knowing how to stop what will happen is two entirely different things.

Originally posted by ~Teh Pharaoh Atemu~
I seriusly think it was fate, not skill that beat Atemu, if Yuugi was the betterm why did he let the Pharaoh duel through Duelist kingdom, well, till Pegasus anyway.

Discuss

As I proposed in the Yugioh R threads, Yugi is a highly skilled Duelist even if he not the one doing the highest number of Duels. And why it's Atem and not Yugi who is doing the Duels
1. Pegasus "kidnapped" Grandpa and challenged Yami Yugi to enter the DK Tournament (who defeated Kaiba), and it's only normal for the two Yugis to stick to Pegasus rule of game (for most part until "critical stage") if their own Gandpa is "hostaged".
2. Yugi didn't believe in himself and his own strengths until very late in both Manga and Anime. With all the high stakes (be it Grandpa, friends, You other self's memories...etc) it is convinient for Yugi to do whatever is the safest.
3. And then left to stand on his own feet, Yugi has proven time and again his strengths.


If the Final Duel is Fate, then it is probbly The Fate of having your destiny sealed by someone stronger (more skilled) than himself. (for Atem)

i think alittle bit 'a both. Sure it was his fate to beat Yami because he can't wonder around with a 5000 year old sprit in him forever so yeah. But I also think it's skill too. Yugi has learned alot from Yami in the years that they've been working together so yeah. The student has surpassed the master.

Yes, thats true! Its both Fate and Skill. Everything Descripes In Rebekahs post.

I think it was Skill, Yami relies to much on the God Cards, Yugi didn't have any Super-Monsters at all.

Originally Posted by Larz9220

I think it was Skill, Yami relies to much on the God Cards, Yugi didn't have any Super-Monsters at all.

I so agree with you on that. Yami had the majority of the good cards, such as Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl, the God cards and what such. Though Yugi had less good monsters than Yami, they were really good, like Silent Swordsman, Silent Magician, Buster Blader, Summoned Skull, Valkyrion etc. And yet, Yugi used them with great strategy to pull off the victory. Also he was so skilled, he thought ahead. That's why he sealed away his monster reborn, because he knew Yami would use it to bring back one of the Egytian Gods(Osiris in particular)

Originally Posted by Larz9220

I think it was Skill, Yami relies to much on the God Cards, Yugi didn't have any Super-Monsters at all.

That's also true, Yami also has taught Yugi alot too.

definately skill. Yuugi seemed to be one move ahead throughout the whole duel. He always knew exactly how he would counter Atemu's moves.

I can say both,buy more Fate.Because Atemu should return to the afterlife and if Atemu beat Yugi he wouldn't return and the story would mess up.

Originally Posted by Squall

I think it was skill, because Yugi learned much from Atemu all the time being together with him. Not only how to play but also to be selfconfident and so on. He was on the best way when he dueled Keith at the beginning of Battle City but still not enough. He had enough time to learn, so in Duelist Kingdom when Atemu let him play some turns (it was tactics, but still a way for Yugi to give everything he has and to learn from Atemu).

i agree...it was skill....yugi knew how atemu duels so he probly had a stragicity to beat the god cards before hand

Originally Posted by k4r6000

Fate's biggest role in the outcome of the duel, was Atemu going down at the end with Osiris, which is the card that best represents him.

What do you mean?

But yes, I agree it was skill. Yugi did have a lot of luck drawing that Card of Sactity just when he needed it, but Atem also kept topdecking the cards he wanted.

I think it was both, but it was mainly fate that allowed Yugi to win, because they were equally matched in skill.

I think it was skill. Yuugi has lerned much from atemu, so he had good chances to beat him.

Had to be fate. Eve nif Yugi was studying Yami for the whole time, he never knew he'd have to duel him. It was by fate that he destroyed the God cards and sealed Monster Reborn. He set it up wit hSkill, but fate's hand guided him.

(man that's deep...)

For me, i think it's skill. I watched the tagalog dub last week and what i observed bout their awesome duel seems that Yugi had prepared what Atem's gonna do. And the Pharaoh has no clue whatever killer cards Yugi has so it's really a shocker.

Considering he has the god cards and all, he was never too careful that Yugi destroyed them in one shot! That takes alot of skill. Plus the Magicians' fight, he was forced to fight defensively after Silent Magician makes a threat to the 2 DMs.

One last thing, it was more of fate taken over to finish the duel when Atem revived Osiris back but I started laughing when they took that shot on the box. It was kinda expected and i guessed the right card before the box opens and Yugi chats in tears. So when the box opened I said to the tv "Your Highness, you are so dead LOL"

Mostly it's skill but fate is there to get the right cards at hand

I think it might have been a bit of both. Skill because his moves were very skillful, well-played. And fate because it just had to happen. Atem had to leave and Yugi had to win.

You know like Yugi's deck is mean to represent innocence (toy monsters) and shyness (Silent monsters)? What does Gandora the Dragon of Destruction represent? In my view it just doesn't fit the theme/

Inner strenght ?

Originally Posted by Maha Vailo

You know like Yugi's deck is mean to represent innocence (toy monsters) and shyness (Silent monsters)? What does Gandora the Dragon of Destruction represent? In my view it just doesn't fit the theme/

I agree. That card doesn't fit Yugi's personality at all the way I see it.

As for skill or fate....I kind of think it is both.

-Yugi drew the exact card he needed to destroy Osiris.

-He was using all the skills Atemu taught him during that duel.

Probably, it's the fate ...

You know, this is kinda off topic, no nya, but could you lay off the emoticons, Lovelyvar-san? It gets rather annoying to see those everywhere I see your name, no nya...

I believe it was skill more than fate yugi knew pharaoh's deck and devise a stragety for each and every big combo he'd pull. Especially the last card he played to stop the summoning of Slyfer.

i think it was skill but with a little bit of fate.

After all they have been through together, it's all skillz.

100% Skill. I mean, it would be Fate if Atemu wins. Like Isis said, Atemu was controlling his destiny, and, thanks to this, he could draw the card he wants. So, he had a GREAT advantage.

Then, Yugi guessed what card Atemu was going to play (Shisha Sosei), so, it was a complete skill.

"Sairento Majishian Reveru Zero wo shoukan!!!"

Definately a mixture of both skill and fate. Fate is when something happens because it was meant to happen and skill is the ability someone has to do something. It was fate that Yuugi had the skill to beat Atemu. If fate wanted it the other way around, it would've happened like that. See what I mean? Or am I talking in circles?

I'd say both.
Yuugi is really underestimated and he had proven himself a few times.
But fate as well because it was him, who was able to beat Atemu, only he could do it because they had given eachother so much.

I think both... skill because he learnt a lot about dueling and fate because he drew the right cards and because he had to win... Atemu didn't belong in this world, so fate had to choose Yugi.

i would have to go with fate and here is why:

1. yugi knows atimu's deck,tactics etc..(where is the skill in that?)

2. yugi kept drawing the cards he needed to defeat atimu (if thats not fate then yugi is really ultra lucky)

3. atimu states that he knew yugi will defeat the gods. (thats fate to me)

Knowing Atem's deck and tactics was definetly an advantage, but Atem also did know most of the cards that were going to be in Yugi's deck, as they were not in the selection when he went to create his.

I do think it was very much skill. ANd also didn't Isis have a conversation with Malik during the duel about how much Yugi has grown in terms of skill by housing the spirit of Atem?

Skill, Fate and the fact that Atemu didn't use any of the gods (with the exception of Osiris) to their fullest potental. Such as Ra, offer both gods to him and the lp trasfer and attack any attack mode monster (Silent Swordsman) and boom Atemu's win. Or offer both gods to Obelisk and kill all of Yugi's monsters and deal him 4000 pts of direct damage.

Originally Posted by Lee

i would have to go with fate and here is why:

1. yugi knows atimu's deck,tactics etc..(where is the skill in that?)

2. yugi kept drawing the cards he needed to defeat atimu (if thats not fate then yugi is really ultra lucky)

3. atimu states that he knew yugi will defeat the gods. (thats fate to me)

So? Atemu drew the cards he needed as well. And so do most of the other duelists, Kaiba included. Plus, it took skill to come up with the tactics needed to demolish all 3 gods within the same turn.