Thread: Yuugi Beat Atemu, Skill or Fate?

I'd say it was skill. The whole point of the series was that Yuugi grew and matured while he was with Atem, and Atem pointed this out by thinking several times, "One day you'll surpass me." And his prediction came true.

It was both

yugi is a good duelist..but the battle with atimu it had to be fate..

just look at the hints atimu throws during the duel.

and what struck me the most is when atimu became in some sort of a god mode ( drawing the cards that he needed).

no skill can beat that IMHO

Originally Posted by yug21

yugi is a good duelist..but the battle with atimu it had to be fate..

just look at the hints atimu throws during the duel.

and what struck me the most is when atimu became in some sort of a god mode ( drawing the cards that he needed).

no skill can beat that IMHO

Hints during the duel?

Originally Posted by yug21

yugi is a good duelist..but the battle with atimu it had to be fate..

just look at the hints atimu throws during the duel.

and what struck me the most is when atimu became in some sort of a god mode ( drawing the cards that he needed).

no skill can beat that IMHO

You might be right like I said before Atemu could have won using Ra or Obelisk when all three gods were on the field. Also he could've god-drawn heavystorm of MST before Attacking with Black Magician. And heck someone who can draw what he/she wants at any given time will win.

I'm going with skill, and luck.... xD
I mean, Yugi's a good duelist... but he did he really beat Yami (Atemu) strickly due to skill?

hmmm.... doubt it. ^^;

I mean, Yami's got some mad dueling skills... xp

-Voted for 'Fate'-

Originally Posted by Yuuki_Judai

I'm going with skill, and luck.... xD
I mean, Yugi's a good duelist... but he did he really beat Yami (Atemu) strickly due to skill?

hmmm.... doubt it. ^^;

I mean, Yami's got some mad dueling skills... xp

-Voted for 'Fate'-

I doubt that. He practically called out each one of Yami's moves.

Ooooh yeah. Haha.. I suppose thats true.

I don't remember everything about those episodes, since I haven't seen in them in quite some time...

Hmmm... but I still think that he or Yami could've one actually.

They seem pretty even.

Considering Atemu like did that God Draw thing so that means Yuugi must of won by skill or he wouldn't of been able to beat Atemu choosing what he drew.

Thats just me though.

skill, hands down, Yugi gained confidence and skill when they dueled together.
He was on par and thought of ways to beat the Gods, and then to win the duel.

I think it was both. I also think that this duel wanted to show that Yugi can defeat Yami on his own, therefore Yami can leave in peace, because Yugi no longer needs him. I might expressed myself wrong there, I hope you get me anyway... Also, other than skill or fate I would say Yugis heart

i also think it was both becasue he wouldnt of won if he didnt have the two influencing the duel.

I think Skills

I voted fate, although I do admit Yugi does become more skilled toward the end of the series. Like Yami once said, "Every soul has a place to return."

Skill. I mean, he defeated all Three Gods, defeated the Black Magician and the Black Magician Girl, and for last, foresaw what Atem would use (Shisha Sosei/Monster Reborn) and defeated him.
Skill surely.

Skill.

Yugi surpassed Atemu in every single way, just as Atemu said he would after the brainwashed Jonouchi duel.

I'm under the opinion that it was a combonation of both... *wishes she could click that* But I think it was more of Yugi's skill, so I'll vote that. >>

Originally Posted by Sahgo

Skill. I mean, he defeated all Three Gods, defeated the Black Magician and the Black Magician Girl, and for last, foresaw what Atem would use (Shisha Sosei/Monster Reborn) and defeated him.
Skill surely.

Skill with a little bit of psychic ability. How did he know that atem is gonna use monster reborn? cuz he's psychic! XD lol
but seriously, ability

i think a little of both but more so skill since not only did he know how atemu's deck was constructed he knew his statergies while atemu hadn't seen yugi duel by himself in a long time

Skill. You can't tell me that coming up with a combo that can defeat all three Legendary God cards is a matter of fate. He used some skillful moves in that duel.

i would personally say that it had to be fate that caused yugi to win. i mean, think about it for a second. when it comes right down to it all, yugi has a great deal of skill, but atemu has so many millenia of skill and experience under his belt. also, it was the pharaohs' destiny to lose the duel of fate. in order for him to return to the world of memory; this had to be done. Not saying that he did something dumb like lose on purpose, but it was his destiny to lose. that doesn't necessarily say that one person had more skill than the other, b/c atemu showed yugi most all of the dueling strategies that he knows, and was made famous for. therefore; even though yugi had a different deck from atemu, that doesn't change the fact that atemu still indirectly helped yugi, by giving him the strength, and the knowledge to get as far as he did. that's my story and i'm sticking to it.

Both, because he was able to think of a strategy to defeat the God cards (skill), and he was able to draw those cards when he needed them (fate).

I agree, it's both. His deck was much better than Atemu's IMO, and Yuugi also had destiny on his side

I think it was skill most likely. Atem pulled out all the stops but little ugi just knew what to do in the end

Skill, by a large margin. Yugi put together an excellent deck that could work its way through all of Atem's uber cards. Seriously, you could actually make a fairly competitive deck based off of the cards Yugi used in that duel, whereas Atem's deck would end in humiliating defeat for anyone who could not draw at will (i.e.- cheat). And during the actual duel, he showed a good understanding of what needs to be sacrificed in order to win (such as silent swordsman hitting mirror force instead of having his magnet force combo ruined, sealing monster reborn, etc.).

As for the idea that if Yugi wasn't as good, why'd he let Atem duel? The closest analogy I can think of there is football. Normally, you don't play the rookie quarterback because they'd stink up the field going against seasoned pros. Rather, you let them watch the seasoned veteran play, learning the ins and outs of the game. The fact that they're benched doesn't mean they suck, it just means they could really benefit from watching and learning.

skill and nothing but his skills..

This is possibly a necro so please don't post on old topics.

No not really. And HeroJaden Try to make make posts that dont look that much like spam.

Skill Yugi did some cool combos in the duel

Well,saying that Yugi was destined to win the duel is a cool way to think of it,but to that it was just Yugi's fate would seem like an insult to his amazing skill ya know. =/ I'd say,that it was his skill that won him the duel.I beleive he could've very well failed.

I think that what happened was that it was skill that Yugi beat Atem but it took years of learning from Atem to get to that skill level.

Definitely skill.

You can't compare DK to episode 224 because of the time gap. Yuugi knew very little about YnY during DK and qualities such as bravery and confidence were probably foreign to him at that time. But as the episodes go on, you'll see how much YnY affects his skills, thinking, personality and character. In fact, you'll see later on that Yuugi actually plays an important part in the dueling strategies you think Yami Yuugi came up with.

YnY and Yuugi both knew their opponent's decks and anticipated their strategies even before the duel.

What could be considered 'fate' was when Yami Yuugi affected the cards he drew so that they would be the ones he needed.

Yuugi didn't have any God cards, the Dark Magician or even fate to get the cards he needed.

Yami Yuugi played his strongest cards.

The odds were against Yuugi.

...and Yuugi still won.

But that's a no-brainer. What I really want to know is how some people confuse strategy with luck?

I think that you cant beat the Gods and say this is fate!
Atem had the fate in his hand, but Yugi still wins!!!!!

I feel both - Like it was Yugi's destiny to send Atem back to the afterlife, but a destiny that would only come to pass if he fights his way there, and he did.

Another way I look at it reminds me of what I find is a very profound quote, from the movie Forrest Gump ^^
" I don't know if we each have a destiny, or if we're all just floating around accidental-like on a breeze, but I, I think maybe it's both."

Yugi overcomming and sending Atem to where he belongs is the ultimate event, but many things, all sorts of variations come around before it in preparation.

It was fate that he won. In the dub, many people said things that prove this. Atem had fulfilled his mission, and it was Yugi's job to send him back to the world of death.

^ But the victory wasn't exactly handed to him on a silver platter. As Candellings has said, the odds were against Yuugi, NOT in his favour, and yet he still won.

So yes, while it WAS Yuugi's job to sent Atemu on to the afterlife, if Yuugi didn't have the skill to defeat Atemu, then that wouldn't have come to pass.
Do you see? Yuugi's skill is what decided Atemu's fate. (And by extension his own)

It was skill that brought Yuugi victory... It was the skill of the plot monkeys behind the animator's pen that is

Originally Posted by trenog

It was skill that brought Yuugi victory... It was the skill of the plot monkeys behind the animator's pen that is

You mean you didn't recognize the skillful moves he made during that duel?

Yeah. He did manage something I believe Atem and even Kaiba woulda had a hard time doing, and that's take down all 3 God Cards at the same time. I said it once, I'll say it before. Yugi's skill is what enabled him to defeat Atem. As well as understanding his other self pretty well enough to know how to best him.

Bryon

Yuugi Beats Atemu by fate. Excellent skill was involved from both sides. Could've easily gone either way.

Originally Posted by ThundaPC

Yuugi Beats Atemu by fate. Excellent skill was involved from both sides. Could've easily gone either way.

Except that Atemu was divining every draw of his that duel. And Yugi still managed to counter him.

Originally Posted by Cococo-co_Co-coco

Except that Atemu was divining every draw of his that duel. And Yugi still managed to counter him.

Not being nasty but how do we know Yugi was'nt doing the same?

Originally Posted by Evans

Not being nasty but how do we know Yugi was'nt doing the same?

Cause Yugi doesn't have super-special-awesome powers like that (though every character from both series except Misawa seems to stack their deck).

I still find it hard to believe at the end that Atem(u) drew like 5 or 6 cards from Yugi's Card of Sanctity (or whatever it's called), yet had no moves except the one Monster Reborn. I think once he was finally countered, he realized Yugi could exist on his own (dunno how a Children's Card Game would prove that, but, meh...Also prolly fairly late with this assumption).

That same move happend before he played The Seal of Orichalcos Vs. Raphael. He played Card of Sanctity and he still "had no options" except to play the seal. Yeah, right, sure... ;P

Originally Posted by Austin_Jade

Cause Yugi doesn't have super-special-awesome powers like that

The last duel proved that he didn't need any powers to be super-special-awesome anyway.

Originally Posted by Candellings

The last duel proved that he didn't need any powers to be super-special-awesome anyway.

That's not the only thing I posted from that. I was simply answering a question from Evans.

All I said was that I find it hard to believe that Atem(u) drew five cards, and yet that was his only available move. That's my only gripe from the ep, and I answered that gripe stating that Atem(u) had believed that Yugi had finally proved himself able to take care of himself, which is why he didn't do anything.

I knew what you were trying to do, I just decided to add a statement to it. ^^;

meh...sorry...college has me up to my neck in bullknobs right now, so I'm testy. I should drop something, prolly. Maybe tell the newspaper to find someone else.