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    Quote Originally Posted by DARKMASTER View Post
    Anthony ? Like in Anthony Hopkins ? XD

    Ffff, I didn't pay enough attention to Ryusaki's post - I only saw "Hopskins" and went, "Oh, Anthony Hopkins!". Haha, oops. XD


    Quote Originally Posted by remaner View Post
    Mine was just a theory: what if Seto takeover (and Gozaburo suicide) happened between his first meeting with Yugi and Death T? In the manga it might have happened, while in the anime it would have been impossible without creating plotholes: in the manga Mokuba says he and his brother where adopted when they were respectevely 5 and 10 and that the takeover took place 6 years after, so it happened around the time of the story (either just before he met Yugi and stole the BEWD card or after that), while in the anime when he took control of the company he was clearly younger, but this would create more discrepancies. I don't think Gozaburo would have allowed him to become a M&W player when he was still alive (in the anime Gozaburo forbid Seto to play at all, in the manga it's not stated but it's implied), so the dress code it's not that useful, or at least it doesn't mark a turning point, not in the first part of the manga.
    Ah, so Gozaburo didn't allow Seto to play at all, I didn't know that. But didn't Seto had top scores on all the arcade games Yugi and Jonouchi tried to play?

    Following your theory, Seto using KC for the Duel Box technology may have been an utter "Screw you" to Gozaburo? I mean, he considered him a loser for committing suicide, and he gained control of his father's company, allowing him to do whatever he wanted with it. So he had his nightmares after Yugi's Penalty Game, and he decided to use KC for his own ends, against his new target - Yugi.


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    I think Gonzaburo's suicide happenning before Seto meet Yugi. He built the Death T, a place just for games. Also, Seto is a VIP personnality when Pegasus's duel against Bandit Keith, he is already a powerful player at this time. When Gonzaburo ruled the KC, it was a industry who make arms. I think he wouldn't left Seto play at Magic and Wizard: the KC ws very important for him. So important, he had adopted and educated Mokuba and Seto only for someone rules the Kaiba Corporation after him.
    Good point about the VIP position. Although that may have been because he was also KC's CEO at the time, and was planning to develop the Duel Box at the time. It could have been Pegasus himself who declared him VIP (I mean, he was the big man at the tournament, no?), and it was just for the very reason to have Kaiba develop the Duel Box. Of course, Pegasus only wanted KC's technology, so it could have been a Just As Planned move on his side for all we know.

    Apart from Pegasus and his fabulous planning skills, Gozaburo definitely wanted a strong heir for his company. I guess he just didn't expect to have him overthrown so quickly.



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    Ffff, I didn't pay enough attention to Ryusaki's post - I only saw "Hopskins" and went, "Oh, Anthony Hopkins!". Haha, oops. XD




    Ah, so Gozaburo didn't allow Seto to play at all, I didn't know that. But didn't Seto had top scores on all the arcade games Yugi and Jonouchi tried to play?

    Following your theory, Seto using KC for the Duel Box technology may have been an utter "Screw you" to Gozaburo? I mean, he considered him a loser for committing suicide, and he gained control of his father's company, allowing him to do whatever he wanted with it. So he had his nightmares after Yugi's Penalty Game, and he decided to use KC for his own ends, against his new target - Yugi.




    Good point about the VIP position. Although that may have been because he was also KC's CEO at the time, and was planning to develop the Duel Box at the time. It could have been Pegasus himself who declared him VIP (I mean, he was the big man at the tournament, no?), and it was just for the very reason to have Kaiba develop the Duel Box. Of course, Pegasus only wanted KC's technology, so it could have been a Just As Planned move on his side for all we know.

    Apart from Pegasus and his fabulous planning skills, Gozaburo definitely wanted a strong heir for his company. I guess he just didn't expect to have him overthrown so quickly.
    Yes, Pegasus can have planned the fact to invite Seto to get later the technology of KC. But Pegasus wouldn't never invited Seto like a VIP IF Seto wasn't interested by Magic and Wizard.

    Indeed, Gozaburo didn't think he would lost the KC so quickly. In the manga, Gozaburo loose the KC during a reunion: it start normally and at a moment, all persons stand and goes on Seto's side. I guess at this time Seto had pronunced a key sentence who works like a signal. On the picture, Gozaburo is obviously angry but he seems me also surprised. Also, he has a moment of silence: he didn't expected Seto betrayal him so quickly. He comits suicide immediatly after.

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    Ah, so Gozaburo didn't allow Seto to play at all, I didn't know that. But didn't Seto had top scores on all the arcade games Yugi and Jonouchi tried to play?

    Following your theory, Seto using KC for the Duel Box technology may have been an utter "Screw you" to Gozaburo? I mean, he considered him a loser for committing suicide, and he gained control of his father's company, allowing him to do whatever he wanted with it. So he had his nightmares after Yugi's Penalty Game, and he decided to use KC for his own ends, against his new target - Yugi.
    In the NAS anime Gozaburo didn't allow Seto to play and forced him to study the whole day, while in the manga the game particular isn't stated (in the Toei version Seto and Mokuba backstory is totally missing. Also, Seto's revenge comes from the humiliation of having been defeated, and not from the punishment game - Yami Yugi hasn't the time to inflict it on him, Seto is able to escape before the other can do anything). And, as you noticed, how could have Seto became a giant game nerd a great gamer in such few time, even if he was able to rig a chess game when he was 10.
    About my theory, I basically threw it together because, according to the manga canon, it's plausible. Given what he had to endure, it's likely that Seto would have given the middle finger to his stepfather anytime soon, but the idea he took the company just to have the means to carry on his revenge on Yugi could be very plausible, if you think that accoring to him, to get the BEWD cards he needs to defeat Sugoroku he doesn't have problem in using mafia connections and pushing one of the former owners to commit suicide. But if this happened between Yugi and Seto's first meeting and Death T, this would make Seto words when Gozaburo commits suicide (more on this under the spoiler tag) something vague.
    Seto shows his problems to deal with defeat everytime he appears, but his Death T revenge against Yugi was given mostly by the mind screw he had to live with, or simply the fact that he was defeated and one important weakness of his had been exposed?

    Also, wall of text:
    Spoiler: About the Kaibas backstory

    In the manga, Gozaburo jumped off the window of the office he, Seto and the other KC actionists were right after his stepson told him he had control of the company. Gozaburo tells Seto that losers face one and only one unavoidable fate, and then commits suicide. Seto thinks "Defeat is the same thing as death? I'll remember this other thing you taught me".

    In the anime Seto endures the life Gozaburo imposed him for Mokuba, only to snap when he discovers he's using the game techology he developed to build weapons (accoring to Mokuba, that was the last time Seto called Gozaburo 'father'). Some time later, as a birthday present (it's not stated which, but it's likely to be around Seto's 12th or 15th year) Gozaburo gives Seto and Mokuba a huge amount of money and 2% of KC actions each, and challenges Seto to multiply 100 times (if I remember well) the money he got in a year. Seto does that by taking over gradually the Corporation. Later Gozaburo discovers that someone is trying to take over the company and takes precautions, apprently thanks to some leaked informations. Seto blames Mokuba for this and drives him out, while keeping on his takeover plans. Mokuba has no other solution than go back to Gozaburo.
    One year later, Seto has 49% of the stocks, and his stepfather the 51%. Gozaburo is about to proclaim himself winner, when Mokuba sides with Seto and tells he isn't going to leave his brother, no matter what. According to one of the Big 5, Gozaburo committs suicide some days later. Then it turns out that the secret informations that apparently 'leaked' were spread by Seto himself, in a plan reminescen of Light Yagami's, trying to test how much Mokuba was ready to endure for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by remaner View Post
    In the NAS anime Gozaburo didn't allow Seto to play and forced him to study the whole day, while in the manga the game particular isn't stated (in the Toei version Seto and Mokuba backstory is totally missing. Also, Seto's revenge comes from the humiliation of having been defeated, and not from the punishment game - Yami Yugi hasn't the time to inflict it on him, Seto is able to escape before the other can do anything). And, as you noticed, how could have Seto became a giant game nerd a great gamer in such few time, even if he was able to rig a chess game when he was 10.
    About my theory, I basically threw it together because, according to the manga canon, it's plausible. Given what he had to endure, it's likely that Seto would have given the middle finger to his stepfather anytime soon, but the idea he took the company just to have the means to carry on his revenge on Yugi could be very plausible, if you think that accoring to him, to get the BEWD cards he needs to defeat Sugoroku he doesn't have problem in using mafia connections and pushing one of the former owners to commit suicide. But if this happened between Yugi and Seto's first meeting and Death T, this would make Seto words when Gozaburo commits suicide (more on this under the spoiler tag) something vague.
    Seto shows his problems to deal with defeat everytime he appears, but his Death T revenge against Yugi was given mostly by the mind screw he had to live with, or simply the fact that he was defeated and one important weakness of his had been exposed?

    Also, wall of text:
    Spoiler: About the Kaibas backstory

    In the manga, Gozaburo jumped off the window of the office he, Seto and the other KC actionists were right after his stepson told him he had control of the company. Gozaburo tells Seto that losers face one and only one unavoidable fate, and then commits suicide. Seto thinks "Defeat is the same thing as death? I'll remember this other thing you taught me".

    In the anime Seto endures the life Gozaburo imposed him for Mokuba, only to snap when he discovers he's using the game techology he developed to build weapons (accoring to Mokuba, that was the last time Seto called Gozaburo 'father'). Some time later, as a birthday present (it's not stated which, but it's likely to be around Seto's 12th or 15th year) Gozaburo gives Seto and Mokuba a huge amount of money and 2% of KC actions each, and challenges Seto to multiply 100 times (if I remember well) the money he got in a year. Seto does that by taking over gradually the Corporation. Later Gozaburo discovers that someone is trying to take over the company and takes precautions, apprently thanks to some leaked informations. Seto blames Mokuba for this and drives him out, while keeping on his takeover plans. Mokuba has no other solution than go back to Gozaburo.
    One year later, Seto has 49% of the stocks, and his stepfather the 51%. Gozaburo is about to proclaim himself winner, when Mokuba sides with Seto and tells he isn't going to leave his brother, no matter what. According to one of the Big 5, Gozaburo committs suicide some days later. Then it turns out that the secret informations that apparently 'leaked' were spread by Seto himself, in a plan reminescen of Light Yagami's, trying to test how much Mokuba was ready to endure for him.

    Your idea is possible but the problem for me is precisly Magic and Wizard's presence.

    I think Gozaburo's suicide happens before Seto meet Yugi precisly because Magic and Wizard. Gozaburo forces Seto and Mokuba to study again and again. Leave Seto and Mokuba plays a game don't fit with his personality.

    It's absolutly exact when you said Seto can't accept the defeat.

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    Personally, I find it hard to believe that Seto took over KC to get revenge at Yugi. The most simple reason is that he never really like Gozaburo--for Seto it was a means to an end, to get him and Mokuba adopted. It was the same mentality for Gozaburo as well, he needed an heir and Seto was trainable. I think Seto would have had the same motivation in the manga even if it wasn't expressly stated. Seto never approved of what Gozaburo was doing with the company and always shared the goal with Mokuba to make Kaiba Land, so I think his decision to take over KC was to throw out Gozaburo because, well, he asked for it. And in the anime he literally did, but I would have to say that Yugi defeating Seto seemed to be happenstance. It was something Seto didn't think would happen, but when it did it was simply something more for him to fight for.

    I agree with those who said Seto already had control of KC, this makes more sense. And the different uniform, eh, lost me on that one, but if I remember something from the anime or manga, didn't Seto give Mokuba a M&W card or something? Couldn't Mokuba been the one who was playing games, and Seto played with his brother, which is why Gozaburo allowed it--only after his studies of course. Then Seto took over KC, started playing M&W out in the open, and since he was already really good at strategy, was able to become the national champ quickly. His desire to change KC would have caught the eye of Pegasus, which is why he would have been the VIP. Considering our current timeline, this all could have happened during their first high school year before the story began, say March/April/June-ish. I am, however, inclined to believe that Seto had control of KC before entering high school, and that no one really knew he was in charge because, well, let's face it, would you trust a multi-billino dollar company that had a teenager running it?


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    That's the point: my theory, in the manga plot, would make sense, but it would turn out to be uselessly complicated. I think we can toss it away without problems.

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    Added GX Season 1 events to the timeline. I'll add Season 2 tomorrow. Thanks again, Allana.

    Also, in Episode 100 of 5D's, Bruno and the twins are checking out articles on Team Unicorn. The text seems to give no actual date (Day X Month X), unfortunately. Here are the screenshots just in case there might be anything worthy in it:


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    On an unrelated note, I like how TV Domino's font color seems to mimic TV Tokyo's, lol.



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    This is just a random thought I had while sifting through my homework, but the focus has been on dates from the Western calendar until now. Are we sure that the series contains no references to the imperial calendar? Of course, that's presuming YGO Japan actually has an emperor, and if it has, if it's not a made-up one, but...

    Y'know, just throwing it out here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heleentje View Post
    This is just a random thought I had while sifting through my homework, but the focus has been on dates from the Western calendar until now. Are we sure that the series contains no references to the imperial calendar? Of course, that's presuming YGO Japan actually has an emperor, and if it has, if it's not a made-up one, but...

    Y'know, just throwing it out here.
    Yes, but only one at the moment: in the manga, while Yugi is reading a newspaper, we can see a date that is written using the Western and Imperial calendar, here's the post about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Added GX Season 1 events to the timeline. I'll add Season 2 tomorrow. Thanks again, Allana.

    Also, in Episode 100 of 5D's, Bruno and the twins are checking out articles on Team Unicorn. The text seems to give no actual date (Day X Month X), unfortunately. Here are the screenshots just in case there might be anything worthy in it:


    Spoiler: Big images



    On an unrelated note, I like how TV Domino's font color seems to mimic TV Tokyo's, lol.
    You're welcome Arynis ! I will try to do Season 3 the next xeek, If I can. The article show no date. It's true TV Domino is like TV Tokyo. Good eye Arynis !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Added GX Season 1 events to the timeline. I'll add Season 2 tomorrow. Thanks again, Allana.

    Also, in Episode 100 of 5D's, Bruno and the twins are checking out articles on Team Unicorn. The text seems to give no actual date (Day X Month X), unfortunately. Here are the screenshots just in case there might be anything worthy in it:


    Spoiler: Big images



    On an unrelated note, I like how TV Domino's font color seems to mimic TV Tokyo's, lol.

    Both the articles are two huge celebrations of Andre and Team Unicorn, there's nothing that can help for the timeline. In the first article they talk about how Team Unicorn scored 100 consecutive victories, while in the second about how, during a tournament in Greece, Andre alone defeated 30 people one after another. Also they make a reference about the fact TU people are Spanish (if I can tell correctly).
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    It took me longer than I thought, but Season 2 is now finished in the timeline as well. Thanks again, Allana!



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    It took me longer than I thought, but Season 2 is now finished in the timeline as well. Thanks again, Allana!
    You're welcome ! Thanks to you to have corrected my mistakes in English.

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    You're welcome ! Thanks to you to have corrected my mistakes in English.
    Don't sweat it. ^^

    It has been mentioned quite a few times that MC announced at the WRGP opening party that the WRGP would begin in a year. Is this true? Because in that case, one year and a half have passed since the beginning of 5D's, not just 6 months.

    Also, what was the length of the Dark Signer arc? I recall Angela saying that [the Condor sign] is related to the sudden fire that broke out a week ago in Domino City's West 5 district. Which fire was that, exactly? Didn't Kiryu and Bommer have their duel in Satellite? In fact, weren't all fires in Satellite? Or was the duel with Misty somewhere in Domino City?



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    Don't know if this dress code bears any meaning, but it deserves to be mentioned. Also, in the Toei anime Seto always wears the white dress, while in the NAS anime in his first appereances he always has the blue school uniform, apparently this was done to avoid the identification of Toei and NAS Kaiba.
    No, it was done because the Duel Monsters anime tries to combine Yugi and Kaiba's 1st and 2nd encounters in to 1 pilot episode. The result is a little absurd to say the least. He's wearing the uniform for Yugi's school in their first encounter because he ambushed him at school. During Death-T he's wearing his white rich-kid clothes. Presumably he hasn't been to school ever since because he can't stand the idea of going to school with his arch-rival who's penalty game is still giving him horrifying nightmares.

    Which brings up what was he doing at Yugi's school in the first place. While Gozaburo was still alive he was having Seto force-fed on advanced studies from private tutors. Did he just feel like trying out a normal school for a change? Doesn't sound like the elitist Kaiba I know. Anyway, you can't really make since of this because it all stems from the fact that Kaiba was originally just card-collecting maniac character. The idea to make him a super-rich CEO with unlimited resources was just an afterthought (and an excuse to bring Magic & Wizards back into the story).

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    Don't sweat it. ^^

    It has been mentioned quite a few times that MC announced at the WRGP opening party that the WRGP would begin in a year. Is this true? Because in that case, one year and a half have passed since the beginning of 5D's, not just 6 months.

    Also, what was the length of the Dark Signer arc? I recall Angela saying that [the Condor sign] is related to the sudden fire that broke out a week ago in Domino City's West 5 district. Which fire was that, exactly? Didn't Kiryu and Bommer have their duel in Satellite? In fact, weren't all fires in Satellite? Or was the duel with Misty somewhere in Domino City?
    For the WRGP, I don't know, I will search in 5d's. For Dark Signers, Angela mentions one week since Misty's geoglyph appareance because It's her who talk about Aki being in hospital at the television the morning next the night when Geoglyphs are appeared.

    I started the timeline for Season 3 but it will take more time than I thought. I don't know when I will finish but I don't forget it.
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    Sorry for the double post.

    For WRGP, subs mentions clearly “In one year”. Thanks to the TNKP for the quality of their subs !


    I finished the timeline for the season 3 !

    - Judai starts his third year. Academia of West, East and North came at Duel Academia. Cobra, Austin, Jim and Amon’s first appearance. Rei befriend with Martin, Bonaparte’s son. Judai duels Johan and win. He learn Johan don’t own Crystal Beast’s Ace Monster, Rainbow Dragon. Cobra decides to organize the Death Duel each day. These duels absorbs energy from duelist causing they injured after the duel. This energy is destined to Yubel for she retrieve physical form. In exchange, Yubel promises to Cobra to do reborn his son.

    - Austin captures Sho to forces Judai to duel him. Judai wins. Students start to fell ill.

    - Adrian duels and wins against Manjoume.

    - More and more students fell ill. Judai, trying to find what happening to them, try to met Cobra. Instead of him, he duels Stein with Asuk’a life in balance. Judai wins.

    - Judai meet Cobra. During the duel, he learnt Cobra’s son is died. He duels him and wins. Amon and Axel are almost discovers to discover the truth about Yubel. Seeing Cobra had lose his duel, she decide Cobra is now unless for her and kill him. She transports Duel Academia in Duel Monsters Spirit World.

    - Yubel possess Martin. Seeing Rei become near of him, Yubel attack her and she need of medicine. She is transported in submarine toward Duel Academia by Misawa, Judai, Johan, Axel, Amon and Jim. Sho, Tyranno, Asuka, Manjome, and Martin are stayed in Academia to keep an eye on it. Martin starts to turn students in Duel Zombies. When a student loses, he is turn in Ghoul, making all students become step by step Duel Zombies.

    - When they arrives to Academia, they discovers all students are turned in Ghouls by Duels Zombies. They turn to normal when they lose a duel. A medicine being necessary to Rei, Judai duels and wins against Emi Ayukawa, the head nurse of the school. Rei is definitively saved.

    - Judai purchases Martin who wants revive Uria, Hamon and Raviel, the Sacred Beasts. Before to find him, he wins against Manjoume, who turn to normal. Pegasus explains that only Rainbow Dragon has the power to return Duel Academia in the real world. Him and Samejima prevent Echo, Amon’s friend to destroy Rainbow Dragon’s lithograph.

    - Ryo, Johan and Beast Crystals Spirit’s goes to search him in Duel Monster Spirit World. They duels each other to get the energy to unleash Rainbow Dragon. Johan get Rainbow’s Dragon card.

    - Judai confronts Martin. Johan arrives to help him. Martin summons Uria, Hamon and Raviel but Johan and Judai success to win together. Yubel reveals herself to Judai. At the end of the duel, Yubel and disappear both. Rainbow Dragon transports Duel Academia to the real world.

    - Judai feels responsible for Johan’s disappearance. Judai, Asuka, Sho, Tyranno, Fubuki, Edo, Echo, Chrono de Medici, Ryo, Jim, Austin and Manjome returns to Duel Monsters Spirit World to search for him.

    - Judai learn Johan can be in a stronghold. Inside it, he meet Zure and a man who ressembles to Johan. Zure kills this man and Judai decides to takes revenge on him. He duels Zure and he he is trapped in a desperate situation. Freed a Duel Monster Spirits arrives and sacrifice himself to give the victory to Judai. He wins against Zure.

    - Next, he duels Brron, the King to the Dark World. Before the end of the duel, Bron sacrifice Asuka, Manjome, Fubuki and Tyranno with the goal to achieve Super Fusion card. Judai wins. Sho is the one person who isn’t sacrificed. Haou take possession of Judai.

    - Haou/Judai commits genocide to achieve Super Fusion. Jim and Austin discover Haou’s true identity. Jim decides to duel him and think Judai’s good side is still present in him. During the duel, Ryo and Edo arrives to see the duel. He loses but before he disappear, he gives his Eye of Orichalcum to Austin who run away from the castle.

    - Austin returns to duel Haou/Judai. He saves Judai from Haou as cost of his life with the Eye of Orichalcum. Judai returns to normal. Echo and Chrono join to the group. They discover Amon who wants reunites Exodia’s piece. He duels Edo and to reunites all pieces he sacrifices Echo. He wins automatically the duel with Exodios’s effect.

    - Ryo duel Johan possessed and loses. Yubel duels Amon and wins. Judai confront Johan possesses. The duel end on a tie but Johan is free from Yubel’s control. Yubel steals Super Fusion from Judai.

    - Judai duels Yubel. He free her from the Light of Destruction. During the duel, he discover nobody is die, they trapped in a other dimension. Judai fuses with Yubel, acquering new powers. The duel has no result. All returns to Duel Academia except Echo who is definitively died because she was sacrified to Exodia and Judai who return in the real world later.

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    Thank you Allana! I'll add/correct everything later. :]

    As for Yubel, I thought she was just driven insane by the LoD, but not actually possessed?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Thank you Allana! I'll add/correct everything later. :]

    As for Yubel, I thought she was just driven insane by the LoD, but not actually possessed?
    You mean about the last sentences for Yubel ? Yes, Yubel is become insane by the influence of LOD. When she fuses his soul with Judai, by Super Fusion's effect, she is free from this influence. Super Fusion destroy the influence of LOD inside her.

    Maybe He free her from the Light of Destruction's influence will be better.

    EDIT: I forgot to mentions Misawa in the last sentences !

    All returns to Duel Academia except Misawa who choose to stay with Tania, Echo who is definitively died because she was sacrified to Exodia and Judai who return in the real world later.
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    Finished writing up the Dimension World arc.

    Durr, I forgot to mention Misawa stayed in the Dimenison World. I'll add it next update, then.



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    ;_; poor Misava screwed again. Even by mistake.

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    ;_; poor Misava screwed again. Even by mistake.
    FFFFFFFF XD

    Only the Darkness arc is left from GX, then we can focus on adding minor events such as character flashbacks. I'm also planning to finally sort out the DM birthdays somehow, and also add all the real life technology everyone spotted. I still don't know if it should go into a separate section, a separate page (eg. "References in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Manga") or somewhere on the DM's manga.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis
    Finished writing up the Dimension World arc.

    Durr, I forgot to mention Misawa stayed in the Dimenison World. I'll add it next update, then.

    Thanks to have corrected my mistakes in English. GX's timeline is finished !

    About Misawa, I saw there some days I had completly forgotten him in the timeline of the second year ! You had must taken a lot of time to retrieve it ! Sorry about this !

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    FFFFFFFF XD

    Only the Darkness arc is left from GX, then we can focus on adding minor events such as character flashbacks. I'm also planning to finally sort out the DM birthdays somehow, and also add all the real life technology everyone spotted. I still don't know if it should go into a separate section, a separate page (eg. "References in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Manga") or somewhere on the DM's manga.
    You has a lot of work ! About the technology, two ideas are interesting. I have a little preference for the References in Yu-Gi-Oh! manga's idea because It will be maybe more visible.

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    Hey guys, do you think that 5D's takes place around a century after GX? Because this is what Dark Evangel told me at Pojo:

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    Just to add fuel to the fire, the way Jack was talking about it in the movie, it seems like he was talking about Yugi and co the same we would talk about Napoleon and stuff today, like ancient beings you read about in books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayerx999 View Post
    Hey guys, do you think that 5D's takes place around a century after GX? Because this is what Dark Evangel told me at Pojo:
    I wouldn't say so because Ushio happens to be the same Ushio is YuGiOh DM (at least, that is what the writers said in the anniversary book). If that were the case, Ushio would be dead or look a lot wrinklier than he is now.


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    I was thinking perhaps that Ushio is simply the Ushio from DM in just appearance and name. The writers just threw him into 5D's just for the sake of it. I mean Pegasus is dead and why would Jack refer to previous duelists in such a way?

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    No one ever said Pegasus died by age. He could have died from an accident. As for the Jack thing, I've never actually seen the movie and I don't trust other people's opinions so I can't really answer your question. A century is a pretty big step; 30-50 years seems more reasonable to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie View Post
    No one ever said Pegasus died by age. He could have died from an accident. As for the Jack thing, I've never actually seen the movie and I don't trust other people's opinions so I can't really answer your question. A century is a pretty big step; 30-50 years seems more reasonable to me.
    That's my guess too. Around 40 - 50 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayerx999 View Post
    Hey guys, do you think that 5D's takes place around a century after GX? Because this is what Dark Evangel told me at Pojo:
    Ah, yeah. I have just read that post on Pojo the other day.

    It is an interesting issue. The fact that Jack suggests that dueling Yugi would be cool but they would need to have time travel for it. However, even events which happened ~10-20 years ago are also included in history books, which would make this point moot. Yugi winning Duelist Kingdom and Battle City would be pretty notable events for the YGOverse, anyhow. Time travel doesn't always mean you'd need to travel way back, you could use it to travel back one week in time, or even one day.

    As for the fates of the other members of the cast, I'd like to bring up Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross as an example. I'll spoiler tag this just in case anyone is playing the game and doesn't want to have their fun ruined. If you have no such intentions, go ahead.


    Spoiler: Chrono Trigger and Cross spoilers

    http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term...gger_Team.html

    This is the full page on the characters' fates, but let's see the most notable ones.

    Robo volunteered to become the Prometheus Circuit in FATE, and was eventually eliminated by the supercomputer.

    Lucca presumably died at the orphanage she was running, despite being one of the most powerful fighters in Chrono Trigger. However, her fate is ambiguous, although it is assumed she is fine after the end of the series.

    Crono and Marle may or may not have died during the Fall of Guardia, when Dalton and Porre invaded their kingdom.

    Magus is probably the biggest headache out of the group, and Ushio could be called the Magus of Yugioh. Anyway, Magus' fate was ambiguous until the DS release of Chrono Trigger showed Magus leave from the Dream Devourer's fight with amnesia, having no idea who he was. It was revealed that Guile from Chrono Cross was intended to be Magus, but Masato Kato and his team couldn't fit him into the game well enough (the game has like, 64 playable characters) and it would have taken up much planning to fit his special reactions and dialogue in. Eventually, Magus as Guile was cut, leaving Guile as an independent character. However, people at Chrono Compendium (the biggest Chrono Trigger fansite) are still trying to connect DS!Magus with Guile together, leading to Ushio's situation. So in that sense, Magus and Ushio are quite similar in terms of the fans trying to connect their identities together. Except in Magus' case, the plans were scrapped, while in Ushio's case the Animation Book gave pretty clear confirmation on him being the same person.


    You can see how the game left several characters' fates in mystery, while alluding to the fact that they or they may have not died.

    Now, back to Jack's time travel comment, Jack asking for time travel to fight Yugi may imply that Yugi was not alive anymore at the time, or simply suggest that Jack wanted to duel Yugi in his "prime", after winning Battle City, as most people knew him.

    As for Ushio, the way the Animation Book worded his description imply that he is the same Ushio, but "What about his personality?". Ushio may have changed after Yugi's Penalty Game, similarly to Kaiba. He then became a police officer, met Yusei, and changed his ways once again, developing into the guy we all love now. In other words, 5D's!Ushio is DM!Ushio with character development.

    Every other character's fate is left in the open, but we know some companies are still around, eg. Schroider and Manjoume Group. Whether they are led by the same people is mystery, however. But we know Pegasus is dead for certain.

    Someone mentioned this (I think on Pojo?) how Illiaster has the power to get rid of any nuisances. After all, they arranged to get Sherry's parents offed as well. The cast may or may not have met this treatment, or if it wasn't Illiaster, then the Zero Reverse may have killed them. Or they merely wanted to live in solitude now, similar to Pegasus in the Pyramid of Light, who retired after the events of Duelist Kingdom.

    But yeah, in the end, we only have Pegasus confirmed as dead and have Ushio with the 5D's cast. Everyone else is ambiguous in terms of their fates.

    And to answer your other question on Pojo on the movie setting up the timeline axis between the three series, that statement came from a summary XYZ Dragon Cannon found across the Internet and posted it on Nintendo World BBS. Therefore, it can be assumed it was just someone's personal opinion/observation. If anything, it shows us that the three series possibly take place in the same universe, as the entire premise and plot of the movie would be impossible (or pointless) if there were parallel universes involved.
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    Thanks, Arynis. That post was very helpful. So I guess we cannot say for sure if the DM or GX cast had died of age or due to other reasons. But it seems Ushio is the main proof that 5D's time is not that far from GX's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayerx999 View Post
    Thanks, Arynis. That post was very helpful. So I guess we cannot say for sure if the DM or GX cast had died of age or due to other reasons. But it seems Ushio is the main proof that 5D's time is not that far from GX's time.
    No problem. :] Yep, that's about right.

    PS. I altered my comment on Magus a little in the spoiler tag, because I didn't write down why Ushio would be the Magus of Yugioh, orz. It's corrected now. (Could you update that in your Pojo post as well? My point looks kinda silly otherwise. >.<)
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    Alright, time to ressurrect this thread.

    First of all, expansion on the 5D's timeline. The whole Crimson Devil incident happened 10000 years before present time, right? Because that will have to be included in that case.

    Recently, an user called Mark1234 recently registered on the Wiki and made major alterations to the dates, pinning DM's date from 1996-1997 to 1995-1997, without any explanation. Here's the changelog, by the way.

    First of all, some of these changes make no sense. DD couldn't have become a Pro League champion in 1993 because in GX it was explicitly stated that Season 2 takes place during 2005-2006, and that DD became the champion 10 years ago.

    Wait, even Sugoroku's visit to Egypt was changed, despite the manga explicitly stating the date?!

    ...

    However, Mark1234 did add most of the character birthdays, something I had a problem with calculating. They will still have to be checked, though. The birthdays of Rebecca, Siegfried and Leon were added as well. Do we know their ages?



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    I just to discover it thanks to your post Arynis. Normally, Yugi is born in 1981, Sugoroku in 1920...

    I never find Rebecca precise date of birth was given, only her years, she had 12 years old.

    I never seen anywhere Leon's and Zigfried 's years old neither. Von Schroeder brothers being similar to Kaiba brothers, maybe Mark1234 tought they had the same years?
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    Didn't actually notice Mark1234's date additions. O_o I'll take some time off to read the entire blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allana View Post
    I just to discover it thanks to your post Arynis. Normally, Yugi is born in 1981, Sugoroku in 1920...

    I never find Rebecca precise date of birth was given, only her years, she had 12 years old.

    I never seen anywhere Leon's and Zigfried 's years old neither. Von Schroeder brothers being similar to Kaiba brothers, maybe Mark1234 tought they had the same years?
    Yeah, exactly. Especially Sugoroku's case whose age can be figured out the most easily with the help of Takahashi's interview and the Gospel of Truth.

    Ah, I see. Is that age for post-Duelist Kingdom, during Doma or during the KC Grand Prix?

    Me neither. But Siegfried being similar to Kaiba does not mean they have the exact same age. Well, Sieg could have been 1 or 2 years older/younger. We will never know.

    Alright, that previous reaction was a bit sudden from me. Now that I can think more clearly, one thing is straight - this person is not a vandal nor a troll. He may have merely tried to contribute under good faith. The only problem is that:

    1) He changed dates that were explicitly stated in the canon or by Takahashi himself, such as Sugoroku going to Egypt. The citation is at the bottom, even (although we still don't have a footnote system).

    2) He left absolutely no explanation on why DM would start in 1995 and not 1996. No discussion, no edit reason, he just went ahead and did it.

    I think this is partly my fault - I merely noted at the top of the page that the discussion thread is here, but I put up no notice on discussing edits before actually doing it. (Well, I assumed people would discuss their ideas beforehand, but... yeah.) I am considering editing back the dates from the last version of the page edited by me, while leave the ages in (sans the Schroider brothers) and leave a note on the article's discussion page, perhaps. As well as edit the notice on discussing edits beforehand. There's a reason this thread is this long already! (It could be longer, of course. ;) )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Yeah, exactly. Especially Sugoroku's case whose age can be figured out the most easily with the help of Takahashi's interview and the Gospel of Truth.

    Ah, I see. Is that age for post-Duelist Kingdom, during Doma or during the KC Grand Prix?

    Me neither. But Siegfried being similar to Kaiba does not mean they have the exact same age. Well, Sieg could have been 1 or 2 years older/younger. We will never know.

    Alright, that previous reaction was a bit sudden from me. Now that I can think more clearly, one thing is straight - this person is not a vandal nor a troll. He may have merely tried to contribute under good faith. The only problem is that:

    1) He changed dates that were explicitly stated in the canon or by Takahashi himself, such as Sugoroku going to Egypt. The citation is at the bottom, even (although we still don't have a footnote system).

    2) He left absolutely no explanation on why DM would start in 1995 and not 1996. No discussion, no edit reason, he just went ahead and did it.

    I think this is partly my fault - I merely noted at the top of the page that the discussion thread is here, but I put up no notice on discussing edits before actually doing it. (Well, I assumed people would discuss their ideas beforehand, but... yeah.) I am considering editing back the dates from the last version of the page edited by me, while leave the ages in (sans the Schroider brothers) and leave a note on the article's discussion page, perhaps. As well as edit the notice on discussing edits beforehand. There's a reason this thread is this long already! (It could be longer, of course. )

    Any objections/opinions?
    Rebecca's age is given to the Episode 41, when Yugi said he saw an article in a magazine who talk about a young girl who is become the United States Champion.

    Yes, It is imossible to know for Schroeder.

    It isn't your fault. The thread was indicated and it is possible to say the reasons of his edits.

    He could post on the topic to explain modifications he wishes bring on the timeline. He could post his questions, even they are already answered. We can answered him without problem.

    Perhaps he tried to search a page who explains reasons of the organisation of the chronology? It was the goal of the Reference section but maybe he searched a precise reference, noticed on this thread?

    I think complete the actual reference section is best solution. If a link was include on the timeline page to redirect on Reference section, it is possible that someone don't click on it.

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    Aha. So it's 1997-12, making her year of birth 1985.

    We could answer him, yes. But the problem is that he did not say anything at all, he just made his edits without any explanation. Heck, we don't even know if he has an account here or actually read this thread. That's what bugs me.

    The footnote system would be perfect to note the source and canonicity of several dates. Of course, I could manually link to the resources section, but it would be way easier to do it with the footnote system. The part is, it's still not installed. I have bumped the suggestion thread and see what Chris says about it.



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    I got today several volumes I'm reading. (Hooray!!)The volume 24 said that Rishido has 25 years old in 1997. He is born in 1972. In 1976, he heard a conversation about Millenium between the Ishtar couple. If they don't success to have a male heir before Rishido's 10th anniversary, they will adopt Rishido the day of his 10th anniversary. In 1977, Ishizu is born. And in 1981, Marik is born.

    In volume 27, Kaiba mentions "There 10 years ago, Gozaburo Kaiba had built a military industrial empire". I guess that refers to the rise of the Kaiba Corporation setting it 1987.

    Seto mention also "3 years ago, he [His father] had sold to a certain country the reality virtual technology I had developped. He had got a huge financial profit". The Solid Vision had been sent somewhere in 1994 for a big price.
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    Good stuff, Allana! I'll add the birthdates later.

    So Kaiba Corporation was established in 1987? Neat. Also, that Virtual Reality device, was that in the manga? Because it kind of reminds me of the Noa arc that way. (Granted, I have not seen that arc yet, so I will refrain from judging.)

    Anyway, here's how I decided on the matter:

    1) Write on Mark1234's Talk page about his edits, point out why his edit is wrong (changing dates that were clearly stated in canon, etc.), ask him to back up his reasons for the series starting in 1995 and direct him to this thread / the article's discussion page.

    2) Revert his edits up to my last edit so everything is undone. Cite the Talk page for the edit reason.

    3) Add the birthdates and change the notice at the top a little to direct people to this thread just in case they intend to make an edit. Also note the References section at the bottom.

    Does this sound good? The reason I'm being so careful is because I don't want to look rude nor make it look like I decided on the issue myself while leaving anyone else out. We have very little people working on this project and I'd hate to drive any candidates away with my behavior, or... anything like that. >.>



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post

    Anyway, here's how I decided on the matter:

    1) Write on Mark1234's Talk page about his edits, point out why his edit is wrong (changing dates that were clearly stated in canon, etc.), ask him to back up his reasons for the series starting in 1995 and direct him to this thread / the article's discussion page.

    2) Revert his edits up to my last edit so everything is undone. Cite the Talk page for the edit reason.

    3) Add the birthdates and change the notice at the top a little to direct people to this thread just in case they intend to make an edit. Also note the References section at the bottom.

    Does this sound good? The reason I'm being so careful is because I don't want to look rude nor make it look like I decided on the issue myself while leaving anyone else out. We have very little people working on this project and I'd hate to drive any candidates away with my behavior, or... anything like that. >.>
    The reason that less people work on this project is perhaps the lack of wide range of reliable sources that will guide us through the entire YGO timeline. We're assembling a puzzle of dates as we're gathering the different pieces from different places, mostly from the manga. Those who have knowledge of the manga would be helpful, but those who haven't read it yet can't go into further discussions or comment before carefully reading the entire manga.
    Don't worry for Mark1234's reaction. Just thank him for the interest he's expressed on this project and then offer him to discuss some details. Then put your plan into execution. x)

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    Not to mention that the official English version of the mange may have disinformations compared to the Japanese manga. Which we have to ask for help from ppl that can read it to confirm things.

    As for this Mark guy. Just direct him here so we will know what he knows and explain where he is disinformed.
    And also that way we to understand how serious he is about helping the janime wiki.
    We need communication nothing else.

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    Thanks you two! It's just that it's my first time encountering something like this and I wasn't entirely sure how to do it right. Message sent! And did the reversion as well.

    And you make good points about the lack of people helping out (I will confess I don't own the manga either, save for two volumes). Indeed, the fact that Viz made changes from the Japanese version isn't helping matters either. Still, I wouldn't want to alienate anyone interested - anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion, whether they have the manga or not. The more, the merrier. (But of course, people with the manga would be the most helpful. ;) )



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lia View Post
    The reason that less people work on this project is perhaps the lack of wide range of reliable sources that will guide us through the entire YGO timeline. We're assembling a puzzle of dates as we're gathering the different pieces from different places, mostly from the manga. Those who have knowledge of the manga would be helpful, but those who haven't read it yet can't go into further discussions or comment before carefully reading the entire manga.
    Don't worry for Mark1234's reaction. Just thank him for the interest he's expressed on this project and then offer him to discuss some details. Then put your plan into execution. x)
    That's true, I given to forget English version is disinformed. I think I know why Mark had thought it was 1995: It's the Viz's translation who say it.

    Geno's posts had mentionned theses modifications brings by Viz at the beginning of this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Geno
    The Duel Monsters being created in the mid 90s thing, it was in volume 10 of YGO Duelist (AKA Volume 17 of the original release).
    Kaiba says that during his meeting with Ichizu in the museum.

    Of course, it's from the Viz translation, so if they added that bit of information, I wouldn't know.
    It seems Viz has set the events in 1995. It's why Mark had thought there a mistake in the timeline: he had believed the English version say the truth and did edits.
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    Ahh... That would explain everything. I totally forgot about that part by this point. XD;

    I should make a notice of that in the "Helpful Notes" section.



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    Ahh... That would explain everything. I totally forgot about that part by this point. XD;

    I should make a notice of that in the "Helpful Notes" section.
    Yes, I think It's the better solution. Perhaps even note it in first for the reader is obliged to read it.

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    I changed the notice at the top of the page and changed the "Helpful Notes" section into a "Guidelines" section. I also included a "Tiers of Canonicity" chart. What do you think of it?

    Here's the chart for reference:

    The tiers of canonicity are listed below. Lower tiers are canon only if they do not contradict the evidence presented in any of the higher tier sources.

    For Yu-Gi-Oh!:
    1. The original Japanese manga. The revised bunkoban version takes precedence over the tankobon version in the event of a contradiction.
    2. Statements made by Kazuki Takahashi. (For example, in the Gospel of Truth.)
    3. The English version of the manga released by Viz. If a clue is found in the Viz version, the original Japanese version should be checked accordingly to see if the edit in question was not a choice on the translator's part.
    4. The second series anime made by NAS in its original Japanese form.

    For Yu-Gi-Oh! GX and 5D's:
    1. The anime series made by NAS in its original Japanese form.
    2. Official supplemental sources made for the anime.
    3. The manga adaptations, which actually have their own continuity. They should be relied on only as a last resort.



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    Default Re: Timeline of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Series

    This is perfect! Congratulations Arynis! The guidelines is very clear. If someone wants edit, he would have necessarily read the guidelines before.

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    Okay, question time. People have been tossing Doma and Illiaster around regarding their manipulation of history. The tragedy with Atlantis happened in BC 10000 (as it's currently written on the Wiki page) or 10000 years ago? (Making it 8000 BC). Also, was it ever stated when Doma began to operate?

    Godwin said in Episode 7 of 5D's that Illiaster's origins can be traced back 3000 years in time, making their start in 1000 BC. As for the Crimson Devil, that was also 10000 years ago, making it another 8000 BC event, right?



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    Default Re: Timeline of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Series

    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Okay, question time. People have been tossing Doma and Illiaster around regarding their manipulation of history. The tragedy with Atlantis happened in BC 10000 (as it's currently written on the Wiki page) or 10000 years ago? (Making it 8000 BC). Also, was it ever stated when Doma began to operate?

    Godwin said in Episode 7 of 5D's that Illiaster's origins can be traced back 3000 years in time, making their start in 1000 BC. As for the Crimson Devil, that was also 10000 years ago, making it another 8000 BC event, right?
    I don't know to Atlantis but according episode 7, you're right. Nice to see again signs who remind hieroglyphs

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    Good news! Nice screenshot from episode 118
    Spoiler: 5D's date


    2021


    Looks like mystery solved ^^
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