Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[Moglie_di_Chazz]

Interesting interpretation! It's a way to see Sin concept.

I'm not agree with all ideas. I see the sense of the Sin differently and I will explain me after. I don't think the Sin toward the dragon exprims the Seven Deadly Sins. It is very difficult to find a Sin and associate it with each dragon. It's this explanation was the good, it will be very simple to associate a sin to each dragon. It's because It's very difficult Sin in the sense Seven Deadly Sins can't works. In my opinion, the weakness of the SDS explanation is theses Sins aren't theses of his owner.

Almost all dragons represents something who has a link with their previous owner (Greedy = Kaiba, Gluttony = Fubuki...), not the actual who is Paradox. If the dragons must have a link with Seven Deadly Sins, theses Sins must be link with Paradox, their actual owner. Or, it isn't the case and It's why the concept of the Seven Deadly Sins have no sense for me: they aren't linked to Paradox except the wrath. Even not the greedy: I think Paradox get theses dragons for a precise reason, not by greedy.

Sloth for Sin Gear makes sense... except If he get a Equip Spell which boost him. Go Parallel Gear attaks Stardust Dragon with 10 000 attacks points!!

I'm not agree with Rainbow Dragon: for me envy is to desire something in the sense to get that you want by all ways. Johan wants become a greater duelist, yes but It's an ambition. Plus, he is already a great duelist: he is the owner of the Rainbow Dragon, a single and unique card which no copy exists.

I'm not agree neither with Sin Paradox Dragon, I would see him with the wrath, Atsushi Tamura had said Paradox, his owner "stuggles with the grief" and Sin Paradox hair's are very similair at his master's hair.

Personnally, I don't think they are really related to Seven Deadly Sins. For me, the word "Sin" toward the dragons exprims rather the word "Corrupt": the dragons bears a mask similar to his owner, Paradox. For me, Sin exprims the dragons are become Corupt like their master because he must do bad things and the dragons accompanying. Like like their master or rather Paradox's mask: he do bad actions he is dark, It's the sadness the black part but has a good side, the light inside him, It's the white part and the smile. The Sin dragons exprims the dark and there their light counterpart in Paradox's deck or in the Graveyard.

This point is very symbolic: when the dark is summoned, the light is sent to the Cimtery. And all is done to summoned the dark (Sin World, Sin Selector). The light sleeping but it can awake, it isn't died, it can revive. The light can wait the good moment to go away to the deck or the Cimtery and come back on the field, at the moment which Paradox will be become again a good person. The fact they are in the Graveyard exprims it. If the light was dead from Paradox's heart, the monsters would been remove from the game. And the light will be definitively gone. Or, they are in the Cimetery: they a chance to revive.




Protagonits come back in the time 30 minutes before Paradox arrives so he don't die and he is never died.

Thank you,I understand ^^

[Allana]

I think you meant Yugi's timeline.
Well, Paradox probably needed to gather the most powerful monsters in history, so nobody to be able to stand on his way of fulfilling his aims. And since Paradox is a 5D'S villain, it's normal to begin his time-travelling from the 5D'S period, then to go to Judai's and to end in Yugi's. It's just logical.
The thing I wonder is why he didn't try to kill Yusei as he tried to do this with Judai and Yugi. It's true that if he succeeds in destroying Yugi's era - Judai's and Yusei's will also disappear. Hmmm....probably Judai created him more troubles by trying to stop him while Yusei was to shocked to give any reaction. xD

Yes, thanks to have correct me Lia!

Your idea of Paradox who has need of powerful monsters make a lot of sense. Paradox hasn't killed Yusei because he would have been killed in the desintegration of his timeline. Paradox, when he leaving his timeline, say to Yusei "Perish with this era!" When Paradox change it, the timeline start to desintegrate before to disappear.

Thank you,I understand ^^

You're welcome!

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Ah, yes, in that sense! You think Paradox take on his shoulders the sins of the humanity? Interesting!

Changing the timeline is a obsession of this point of view but Paradox hasn't the choice he came from a world died. How change the future? In traveling time and go in the past. It's the only way to do it. I think there a reason who explains why he is gone in Yusei's and Judai's timelines before to go in Yugi's timeline. Changing the timeline to save the future is also a noble goal I think because he sacrifice himself to save the future and others.

For the first point yes, that's exactly my idea.

The second: yes, I do understand that he needs to change what has happened. It was when he started destroying pieces of the past with no consideration for the consequences that he started to seem less than his rational self.

[Digitalgirl]

Yes, I agree with DarkDust_Dragon. Paradox may have only went to the past because the future was in ruins. What if he was the only one left alive, to his knowledge, and wanted to change the the future so he wouldn't be alone? I believe that it is inevitable that one day the human race will die out, (like the dinosaurs, etc.). While it may seem noble at first, it seems that Paradox is the one that can't accept this truth, and becomes desperate, irrational, and cold hearted as by changing the past causes so many people of that era to die.

Of course, personally I can't decide what I would do in his situation.

[Allana]

For the first point yes, that's exactly my idea.

The second: yes, I do understand that he needs to change what has happened. It was when he started destroying pieces of the past with no consideration for the consequences that he started to seem less than his rational self.

Yes, I agree with DarkDust_Dragon. Paradox may have only went to the past because the future was in ruins. What if he was the only one left alive, to his knowledge, and wanted to change the the future so he wouldn't be alone? I believe that it is inevitable that one day the human race will die out, (like the dinosaurs, etc.). While it may seem noble at first, it seems that Paradox is the one that can't accept this truth, and becomes desperate, irrational, and cold hearted as by changing the past causes so many people of that era to die.

Of course, personally I can't decide what I would do in his situation.

Yes, I'm agree also, he lost his noble goal because he kill a lot of people by changing time but he see himself like a savior not a destructor.

I guess he would never imagine - and noboby - to be the alone human surviving on a earth destoyed by cards. It's different of a castrophe like dinosaur. I mean, Paradox would never could changed the destruction of world If the world was doomed to be destroyed by a meteorite and he had survived by some miracle.

Because no matter he do, the world hasn't the technology to prevent this. So, the travel time is unless of this point of view. But the world had been destroyed by cards, It's all the difference.

How - rationally talking - accept to be the last human alive in a world destroy by cards? How a mind can he bear the idea to be alone on Earth and finally doomed to disappear without person, being the last human on Earth? All life has disappeare, animals, vegetals and even water. He is really alone. How don't becoming crazy, not necessarily becoming completly crazy but at least to lost a part of his rationality.

Of this point of view he is easy why he wants to do expriments on the past. He wants to be sure Duel Monsters will be not created so to realize this, he goes to kill person who are able to discover/create it/get it by a way or another: Pegasus because he is the creator and has Millenium Eye, Yugi because he Atem's reincarnation, he is the chosen of Millenium Puzzle, Yusei because he is a Signer, Judai because he is the chosen of the light. Note that paradox target only people who had specials powers. So he goes several times in the time to see If his experiment had worked: the non creation of the Duel Monsters by theses specials people.

In his mind, he is a savior, not a destructor. Anyway, the fact he talk in using the word "experiments" is probably a self defense mecanism of his spirit to occult the fact himself do exactly the same thing happened in his future: destroying the world by Duel Monsters. The world ends exactly same except here It's Paradox himself who destroy it by Duel Monsters. Because his mind can't accept or realize completly this, he talk of "experiments" - counsciously anyway-because he named himself paradox. Talk of "experiments on the past" is surely easiest to tolerate in his mind than "destruction of the past" because by his experiments - not destruction in his mind - he saves people but paradoxally destroy a lot of others, preventing their born. He has conciousness to destroy the past and the world because he say to Judai he will "destroy his era also". But accept it like a truth with the consequences is the next step, more difficult to do it. Indeed, Paradox himself can't do this next step because he own a D-Wheel who can travel time and space.

Maybe he had imagine travel again time and space to save himself If he had won but he can't do it: he had destroyed himself his D-Wheel in summoning Sin Truth Dragon. He would have been killed in Yugi's timeline like Yusei, Judai and Yugi. And the Duel Monsters would have continued to exist: in the manga like in 5d's, Duel Monsters exists always instead of Pegasus is dead. It's because it has a big success. And Paradox is arrived in the past after Battle City, the game was created 8 years before. It's already too late...

[NekoRobin]

is it out with subs yet?

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Yes, I'm agree also, he lost his noble goal because he kill a lot of people by changing time but he see himself like a savior not a destructor.

I guess he would never imagine - and nobody - to be the alone human surviving on a earth destroyed by cards. It's different of a catastrophe like dinosaur. I mean, Paradox would never could changed the destruction of world If the world was doomed to be destroyed by a meteorite and he had survived by some miracle.

Because no matter he do, the world hasn't the technology to prevent this. So, the travel time is unless of this point of view. But the world had been destroyed by cards, It's all the difference.

How - rationally talking - accept to be the last human alive in a world destroy by cards? How a mind can he bear the idea to be alone on Earth and finally doomed to disappear without person, being the last human on Earth? All life has disappeared, animals, vegetables and even water. He is really alone. How don't becoming crazy, not necessarily becoming completely crazy but at least to lost a part of his rationality.

Of this point of view he is easy why he wants to do experiments on the past. He wants to be sure Duel Monsters will be not created so to realize this, he goes to kill person who are able to discover/create it/get it by a way or another: Pegasus because he is the creator and has Millennium Eye, Yugi because he Atem's reincarnation, he is the chosen of Millennium Puzzle, Yusei because he is a Signer, Judai because he is the chosen of the light. Note that paradox target only people who had specials powers. So he goes several times in the time to see If his experiment had worked: the non creation of the Duel Monsters by theses specials people.

In his mind, he is a savior, not a destructor. Anyway, the fact he talk in using the word "experiments" is probably a self defense mechanism of his spirit to occult the fact himself do exactly the same thing happened in his future: destroying the world by Duel Monsters. The world ends exactly same except here It's Paradox himself who destroy it by Duel Monsters. Because his mind can't accept or realize completly this, he talk of "experiments" - consciously anyway-because he named himself paradox. Talk of "experiments on the past" is surely easiest to tolerate in his mind than "destruction of the past" because by his experiments - not destruction in his mind - he saves people but paradoxically destroy a lot of others, preventing their born. He has consciousness to destroy the past and the world because he say to Judai he will "destroy his era also". But accept it like a truth with the consequences is the next step, more difficult to do it. Indeed, Paradox himself can't do this next step because he own a D-Wheel who can travel time and space.

Maybe he had imagine travel again time and space to save himself If he had won but he can't do it: he had destroyed himself his D-Wheel in summoning Sin Truth Dragon. He would have been killed in Yugi's timeline like Yusei, Judai and Yugi. And the Duel Monsters would have continued to exist: in the manga like in 5d's, Duel Monsters exists always instead of Pegasus is dead. It's because it has a big success. And Paradox is arrived in the past after Battle City, the game was created 8 years before. It's already too late...

Perhaps that was the best thing for him. As you pointed out, it would be unbearable misery and despair living in that world; and without any sort of life for food, he would have died some time afterwords. Most likely, his mind was hanging on by a thread. His death in their timeline simply ends his misery.

And you're quite right about his mindset. I wanted to compare it to a Hero Homicide complex, but it's not quite right. His goal of saving the future by causing havoc in the past seems to be the classic "the end justifies the means" act, but as we previously demonstrated, that doesn't work. The timeline simply corrodes further. And then Paradox proceeds to continue the same actions.

Really, Paradox is a man who's unable to cope with what he has lost (not that I blame him), and so he tries anything he can to reattain it. Ultimately though, one can see his final act of sacrificing his body as a desperate escape, as I pointed out some time ago. What better way to escape human emptiness and loneliness than to stop being human?

[Digitalgirl]

Allana, I mostly agree with you, except for one part I should have made clearer. When I mentioned the dinosaurs, who had lived as a whole for a much longer period than humans, I meant that it is very likely that all animal species on earth will one day die out, due to acts of nature or warfare.

(Going with the theory that earthis billions of years old, and all (2012) doomsday prophecies aside, and going with the theory that the earth, sun, and moon will stay the same for millions to billions of years, the human race or it's evolutions, or other intelligent life surviving that long seems hard to believe.)

Also, Paradox said very loosely that card games caused the destruction, but he did not go into details. I want to know exactly what happened...Is this an accurate conclusion, or the ravings of a mad man? If the destruction was caused humans and duel monsters, certainly anyone would want to fix this, but if this was somehow beyond human control...

DarkDust_Dragon: I agree that Paradox is unable to cope with the loss. "Hanging on by a thread"and "sacrificing his body as a desperate escape" seems to describe Paradox well. Thanks for a new way to view Paradox's actions.

Finally, sorry for the crazy post. I do not post often but sometimes I feel like saying alot. Thankyou for noticing my post Allana.

[Allana]

Allana, I mostly agree with you, except for one part I should have made clearer. When I mentioned the dinosaurs, who had lived as a whole for a much longer period than humans, I meant that it is very likely that all animal species on earth will one day die out, due to acts of nature or warfare.

(Going with the theory that earthis billions of years old, and all (2012) doomsday prophecies aside, and going with the theory that the earth, sun, and moon will stay the same for millions to billions of years, the human race or it's evolutions, or other intelligent life surviving that long seems hard to believe.)

Also, Paradox said very loosely that card games caused the destruction, but he did not go into details. I want to know exactly what happened...Is this an accurate conclusion, or the ravings of a mad man? If the destruction was caused humans and duel monsters, certainly anyone would want to fix this, but if this was somehow beyond human control...

DarkDust_Dragon: I agree that Paradox is unable to cope with the loss. "Hanging on by a thread"and "sacrificing his body as a desperate escape" seems to describe Paradox well. Thanks for a new way to view Paradox's actions.

Finally, sorry for the crazy post. I do not post often but sometimes I feel like saying alot. Thankyou for noticing my post Allana.

Dark_DustDragon, I'm completly agree with you, It's a excellent interpretation of Paradox's fusion with Sin Truth Dragon.

If you has an idea toward the movie, a character..., don't hesitate to post. The goal is to discuss and share points of views. Your post gives me several ideas when you said about Paradox who "didn't go in the details".

Your post isn't crazy at all. An unvoidable fate of death for all... It's a way to see things, It's a also philosophical point of view. Why not after all? Toward the movie, the end of the world was caused by something created by humans instead of 2012 and prophecies must be caused by something impossible to stop. But I see your point: the world is necessarily destroyed by something at final, caused by humans or not.

I wonder me also what is how the Duel Monster destroy the world. Paradox said Duel Monsters had destroyed the world: I consider his sentence like true, he has no reason to lie. Anyway, he realveal this to protagonists in thinking he would have won. It isn't the case but now Yusei, the others Signers, Yugi and Judai knows this and now they will work all their existence to prevent this. It's very interesting, they must fight a fate who seems inevitable because Paradox come from the future.

The world destroyed by Synchro Monsters? Possible, Yliaster wants destroy them after all. They use themselves monsters which nobody is a Synchro Monster, impliying Synchro Monsters had destroyed the world. In the movie, in the trailer, it is said that Stardust Dragon will destroy the world. Here, they're a problem. This implies he is the destructor of the world. However, Paradox target only Stardust. Yliaster target all Synchros Monsters to destroy them. However, they came from the same future.

Where the possibility: Yliaster hasn't seen the world being destroyed, but they knows a Synchro Monster had destroy the world. They can have some vision of it: they said they can communicates with God. They don't know what is this Synchro Monster, It's why they target all Synchros Monsters. Paradox, he, has assisted himself to the destruction of world by Stardust, explaining why he target it. Some events lead him to meet Yusei. Because he is very shocked by his future like I said in my previous post, he wants to be sure he would have save the world himself, he estimates to act by himself is the only way to save the future. If It's really the Stardust Dragon who had destroyed the world, It's very ironical when I think at the name to his special ability: Victim Sanctuary.

The word "sanctuary" in his special ability has always surprise me: why sanctuary? I came to the idea that Yugi can have created himself Stardust Dragon. In my opinion, Stardust bears a ressemblance with Osiris, Yugi saw it himself and If it think to the place where he has beaten Atem, It's a sanctuary. And the word Victim can be explained by the fact Yugi beat Atem and his feels his victory like a sadness, a pain. In this point of view, he is a victim of the sanctuary.

After all, he had saw (in the real sense of the word) the future, the fact he can create Synchros Monsters (probably with Judai's halp) can make sense of this point of view. Your signature proves it also, It is excellent, I like a lot.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Dark_DustDragon, I'm completly agree with you, It's a excellent interpretation of Paradox's fusion with Sin Truth Dragon.

If you has an idea toward the movie, a character..., don't hesitate to post. The goal is to discuss and share points of views. Your post gives me several ideas when you said about Paradox who "didn't go in the details".

Your post isn't crazy at all. An unavoidable fate of death for all... It's a way to see things, It's a also philosophical point of view. Why not after all? Toward the movie, the end of the world was caused by something created by humans instead of 2012 and prophecies must be caused by something impossible to stop. But I see your point: the world is necessarily destroyed by something at final, caused by humans or not.

I wonder me also what is how the Duel Monster destroy the world. Paradox said Duel Monsters had destroyed the world: I consider his sentence like true, he has no reason to lie. Anyway, he revealed this to protagonists in thinking he would have won. It isn't the case but now Yusei, the others Signers, Yugi and Judai knows this and now they will work all their existence to prevent this. It's very interesting, they must fight a fate who seems inevitable because Paradox come from the future.

The world destroyed by Synchro Monsters? Possible, Yliaster wants destroy them after all. They use themselves monsters which nobody is a Synchro Monster, implying Synchro Monsters had destroyed the world. In the movie, in the trailer, it is said that Stardust Dragon will destroy the world. Here, they're a problem. This implies he is the destructor of the world. However, Paradox target only Stardust. Yliaster target all Synchros Monsters to destroy them. However, they came from the same future.

Where the possibility: Yliaster hasn't seen the world being destroyed, but they knows a Synchro Monster had destroy the world. They can have some vision of it: they said they can communicates with God. They don't know what is this Synchro Monster, It's why they target all Synchros Monsters. Paradox, he, has assisted himself to the destruction of world by Stardust, explaining why he target it. Some events lead him to meet Yusei. Because he is very shocked by his future like I said in my previous post, he wants to be sure he would have save the world himself, he estimates to act by himself is the only way to save the future. If It's really the Stardust Dragon who had destroyed the world, It's very ironical when I think at the name to his special ability: Victim Sanctuary.

The word "sanctuary" in his special ability has always surprise me: why sanctuary? I came to the idea that Yugi can have created himself Stardust Dragon. In my opinion, Stardust bears a resemblance with Osiris, Yugi saw it himself and If it think to the place where he has beaten Atem, It's a sanctuary. And the word Victim can be explained by the fact Yugi beat Atem and his feels his victory like a sadness, a pain. In this point of view, he is a victim of the sanctuary.

After all, he had saw (in the real sense of the word) the future, the fact he can create Synchros Monsters (probably with Judai's help) can make sense of this point of view. Your signature proves it also, It is excellent, I like a lot.

I like your train of thought, but I'm going to point something out at this point: Duel Monsters are basically inert in and of themselves. Though, as Darkness point out, they are the origin of existence, their card form basically renders them weapons for use.

Ghost said that Synchros were proof of mankind's evolution, right? Obviously humans look much the same as ever, so evolution is meant in a different sense. Perhaps human sin resulted in the powerful Synchro Monsters (possibly even the Signer Dragons) being used as weapons in the future. That would also explain why Paradox wants one; what better way to ensure they're not used for evil.

On Stardust's effect and appearance, keep in mind that he's as old as, if not older than, Osiris, and comes from halfway around the world. Synchro Monsters also weren't released until after GX, by which time Yugi had basically stopped dueling and Pegasus may have been dead. Involved in creating the effect? Very possible; he is the original king of broken cards. Great symbolism too.

As for Paradox lying, you're right; he has no reason to lie. However, that doesn't make what he's saying true. Delusions are not uncommon in people like Paradox who have questionable state of mind; he believes this to be true, but it may or may not be. It's too hard too tell without having heard or seen him, but the telltale signs are always there.

[Allana]

I like your train of thought, but I'm going to point something out at this point: Duel Monsters are basically inert in and of themselves. Though, as Darkness point out, they are the origin of existence, their card form basically renders them weapons for use.

Ghost said that Synchros were proof of mankind's evolution, right? Obviously humans look much the same as ever, so evolution is meant in a different sense. Perhaps human sin resulted in the powerful Synchro Monsters (possibly even the Signer Dragons) being used as weapons in the future. That would also explain why Paradox wants one; what better way to ensure they're not used for evil.

On Stardust's effect and appearance, keep in mind that he's as old as, if not older than, Osiris, and comes from halfway around the world. Synchro Monsters also weren't released until after GX, by which time Yugi had basically stopped dueling and Pegasus may have been dead. Involved in creating the effect? Very possible; he is the original king of broken cards. Great symbolism too.

As for Paradox lying, you're right; he has no reason to lie. However, that doesn't make what he's saying true. Delusions are not uncommon in people like Paradox who have questionable state of mind; he believes this to be true, but it may or may not be. It's too hard too tell without having heard or seen him, but the telltale signs are always there.

The Signer Dragon destroying the world is possible. According the preview of episode 110, Bommer said he did a dream which Jack was killed by his Red Daemon Dragon. But If the Signers Dragons had destroyed the world, Paradox would have target all dragons, not just Stardust Dragon.

About Yugi, GX mentionned he is always the King of the Duelist but except Battle City, nobody mentions anothers Yugi's duel. It is interesting to see that duels only mentionned are Atem's duel. And when Pegasus see Judai to duel to recuparate Winged Dragon of Ra, Pegasus see Atem near of Judai. Not Yugi. Yugi is never seen. It didn't mean he has stopped to duel: Sugoroku mentions Yugi is left since 3 years ago. I guess he is left with his deck. Pegasus is dead after GX It's certain. But when and how? An interesting question.

I'm completly agree on Stardust's symbolism.

Paradox says the Duel Monsters had destroyed the Earth. I guess when the world had been destroyed his first reflexe must have been to seach If others person like him had survived. It must be something absolutly terrifying to discover being completly alone on Earth. Discover that nobody except him had survived, he decided to travel time. To affirm it, he must have asisted by himself at the Earth's destruction by Duel Monsters. Or, it isn't the case, he used travel time to see what happened. In two case, he saw himself the world being destroyed.

The possibility he has assisted and even participated to the events who lead to the destruction of the world seems me more credible. If it wasn't the case, Paradox would heve the picture of a character who come from anywhere. It seems me very illogical.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

The Signer Dragon destroying the world is possible. According the preview of episode 110, Bommer said he did a dream which Jack was killed by his Red Daemon Dragon. But If the Signers Dragons had destroyed the world, Paradox would have target all dragons, not just Stardust Dragon.

It's possible that he intended to take Stardust first because it was owned by the Signers' Leader; then, he'd go back for the rest. Also, consider that only Stardust had been summoned; Black Rose and Ancient Fairy were elsewhere, Blackfeather may or may not have been revealed yet, and Red Daemon's wasn't out.

About Yugi, GX mentioned he is always the King of the Duelist but except Battle City, nobody mentions another Yugi's duel. It is interesting to see that duels only mentioned are Atem's duel. And when Pegasus see Judai to duel to recuparate Winged Dragon of Ra, Pegasus see Atem near of Judai. Not Yugi. Yugi is never seen. It didn't mean he has stopped to duel: Sugoroku mentions Yugi is left since 3 years ago. I guess he is left with his deck. Pegasus is dead after GX It's certain. But when and how? An interesting question.

I'm completely agree on Stardust's symbolism.

Again, it's just speculation. We really don't have enough information for definitive calls.

Paradox says the Duel Monsters had destroyed the Earth. I guess when the world had been destroyed his first reflex must have been to search If others person like him had survived. It must be something absolutely terrifying to discover being completely alone on Earth. Discover that nobody except him had survived, he decided to travel time. To affirm it, he must have assisted by himself at the Earth's destruction by Duel Monsters. Or, it isn't the case, he used travel time to see what happened. In two case, he saw himself the world being destroyed.

The possibility he has assisted and even participated to the events who lead to the destruction of the world seems me more credible. If it wasn't the case, Paradox would have the picture of a character who come from anywhere. It seems me very illogical.

You see, you and I can be right at once. If Paradox was delusional, him seeing these things may not have been real. It's like schizophrenia; one is unable to distinguish reality from delusion. But again, until I see or hear more of him, I cannot begin to guess as to whether or not he is mentally diseased.

[Allana]

It's possible that he intended to take Stardust first because it was owned by the Signers' Leader; then, he'd go back for the rest. Also, consider that only Stardust had been summoned; Black Rose and Ancient Fairy were elsewhere, Blackfeather may or may not have been revealed yet, and Red Daemon's wasn't out.



Again, it's just speculation. We really don't have enough information for definitive calls.



You see, you and I can be right at once. If Paradox was delusional, him seeing these things may not have been real. It's like schizophrenia; one is unable to distinguish reality from delusion. But again, until I see or hear more of him, I cannot begin to guess as to whether or not he is mentally diseased.

Very good point for the Stardust! The fact he is the leader of the dragons make sense. Toward Yugi, It's just a speculation, I'm agree. I don't think Paradox has imagined the world destroyed by Duel Monsters. Tenor Trio also come from the future, that mean Paradox isn't alone, they gives credit to Paradox. Tenor Trio will reveals more thing about it the next week. I feels it will be very interesting.

[Digitalgirl]

How sad. In a show with his (Yugi's) name in the title, Yugi is still a minor character. :< Another good point that duel monsters are "inert". Insanely powerful and intelligent forms of life, yet no real power on earth unless used by the "chosen ones". Also, more good things to discuss about Paradox. A person responsible for the destruction seems likely now that you've pointed it out, DarkDust.

[Makoeyes987]

We don't know if the Tenor Trio come from the future at all actually. They've never once said they've time traveled or come from another era, once in the actual show. It seems we're getting speculation and fact confused again. There's no tangible evidence at all that Paradox, Yilaster, or the Tenor Trio are connected, related or that the Yilaster men are from a broken future ala Paradox. Their motivations are different. The Tenor Trio want to somehow manifest ZONE in Neo Domino, via the Momentum created in Riding Duels. They look down on humans and their "evolution" as being unnecessary for the planet. Paradox's goal is quite different.

..And I'm not sure how Yugi's a minor character in the 10th Anniversary Movie. What are you talking about?

[63cohen]

How sad. In a show with his (Yugi's) name in the title, Yugi is still a minor character. :< Another good point that duel monsters are "inert". Insanely powerful and intelligent forms of life, yet no real power on earth unless used by the "chosen ones". Also, more good things to discuss about Paradox. A person responsible for the destruction seems likely now that you've pointed it out, DarkDust.

Well, Yugioh means King of Games, it is just a play on words that Yugi is the name. As long as it has a "yu" in the name, it connects to the title.

[NeoArkadia]

Illiaster and the Tenors are related. Placido's kinda made it abundantly clear as of 108 or so, and one of the future episode titles makes it seem like they belong to it.

So it's a matter if Paradox and the Yliaster Group have anything in common or not.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

We don't know if the Tenor Trio come from the future at all actually. They've never once said they've time traveled or come from another era, once in the actual show. It seems we're getting speculation and fact confused again. There's no tangible evidence at all that Paradox, Yilaster, or the Tenor Trio are connected, related or that the Yilaster men are from a broken future ala Paradox. Their motivations are different. The Tenor Trio want to somehow manifest ZONE in Neo Domino, via the Momentum created in Riding Duels. They look down on humans and their "evolution" as being unnecessary for the planet. Paradox's goal is quite different.

..And I'm not sure how Yugi's a minor character in the 10th Anniversary Movie. What are you talking about?

I'm not sure about that second thing either. As for the first part, the whole point of this thread now is to speculate and toss around ideas for fun. Don't snap at people for having fun.

[Makoeyes987]

I thought speculation had to have a basis in the actual plot? Several times in this thread and others, people have stated the Tenor Trio as having literally come from the future, when we know of no such thing and the plot seems to be gravitating away from that as well.

...Didn't Arynis already mention and warn people to please keep it clear about the speculation so we wouldn't have people getting so confused again about which is actual theory and not the tangible plot?

Illiaster and the Tenors are related. Placido's kinda made it abundantly clear as of 108 or so, and one of the future episode titles makes it seem like they belong to it.

I meant all three (Paradox, Illiaster, and the Tenor Trio) in combination. Of course Illiaster and the Tenor Trio are related since they claim to be from Illiaster themselves.

Well, Yugioh means King of Games, it is just a play on words that Yugi is the name. As long as it has a "yu" in the name, it connects to the title.

You do realize that was what his title was throughout the manga and first series anime, right? Its literally named after him. Not just a play on words but his actual title XD

I'm not even sure how Yugi is a minor character anyways.

[Allana]

We don't know if the Tenor Trio come from the future at all actually. They've never once said they've time traveled or come from another era, once in the actual show. It seems we're getting speculation and fact confused again. There's no tangible evidence at all that Paradox, Yilaster, or the Tenor Trio are connected, related or that the Yilaster men are from a broken future ala Paradox. Their motivations are different. The Tenor Trio want to somehow manifest ZONE in Neo Domino, via the Momentum created in Riding Duels. They look down on humans and their "evolution" as being unnecessary for the planet. Paradox's goal is quite different.

..And I'm not sure how Yugi's a minor character in the 10th Anniversary Movie. What are you talking about?

The movie itself proves all series are in the same timeline and Tenor Trio had mentionned clearly they wants save the future: it must be necessarily the same. It isn't an idea completly stupid. Yliaster and Paradox had the same goal: save the future.

[Makoeyes987]

They share the same timeline, yes. But that doesn't mean that their subjective futures they come from and are referring to are the same. For the Tenor Trio, the future could be the immediate future. The future that Yusei, and all the other people of the world in his time would be alive to see.

Paradox comes from hundreds of years in the future. He's from a future that is far off even from Yusei's present time. We have no evidence at all that the Tenor Trio are time travelers. Heck, they might not even be human. No scratch that, we know they aren't human...at least fully human.

[Allana]

They share the same timeline, yes. But that doesn't mean that their subjective futures they come from and are referring to are the same. For the Tenor Trio, the future could be the immediate future. The future that Yusei, and all the other people of the world in his time would be alive to see.

Paradox comes from hundreds of years in the future. He's from a future that is far off even from Yusei's present time. We have no evidence at all that the Tenor Trio are time travelers. Heck, they might not even be human. No scratch that, we know they aren't human...at least fully human.

I talked only in terms of era when I refered to the future. I'm completly agree it is impossible actually to know how many years Tenor Trio is talking about.

[Lia]

We have no evidence at all that the Tenor Trio are time travelers. Heck, they might not even be human. No scratch that, we know they aren't human...at least fully human.

They're total humanoids if you ask me. Glad that Paradox is human with cool outfit and awesome flying D-Wheel. xD I prefer watching him merging with monster to merging with machine on wheels. O_o

[YaminoRPG]

ANN has hinted that Yugioh 10th Anniversary IS being dubbed. In a statement released by 4kids, it states

Kahn said he was encouraged that revenue for the Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise had increased more than 10 percent from this time last year, and noted that 4Kids is "working on a number of Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th anniversary incentives to continue our support and promote the brand."

Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-05-11/4kids-reports-us$3.5-million-loss-in-1st-quarter-2010

[Truesdale09]

ANN has hinted that Yugioh 10th Anniversary IS being dubbed. In a statement released by 4kids, it states


Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-05-11/4kids-reports-us$3.5-million-loss-in-1st-quarter-2010

"number of Yugioh 10th anniversary incentives" wait? so there's more?

[Lia]

Kahn said he was encouraged that revenue for the Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise had increased more than 10 percent from this time last year, and noted that 4Kids is "working on a number of Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th anniversary incentives to continue our support and promote the brand."

Strange indeed. What else are they working on except for dubbing the 10th Anniversary Movie, which again to be connected with the anniversary itself ??? This really sounds very suspicious !!!

[Truesdale09]

Well, I hope 4kids gets the chance to release it. The last time I checked on ANN; they mentioned that 4kids is not doing so well financially.

[tori_yugio4ever]

Well, I hope 4kids gets the chance to release it. The last time I checked on ANN; they mentioned that 4kids is not doing so well financially.

I think they will pull through somehow.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Strange indeed. What else are they working on except for dubbing the 10th Anniversary Movie, which again to be connected with the anniversary itself ??? This really sounds very suspicious !!!

It is indeed. I hope they dub the whole movie - they stopped short on GX, they stopped short of 5D's. If they don't finish, I will be furious.

[XxJohanxJudaixX]

B'awww
Really wanted to see Johan in this...

I got really excited when I saw Rainbow Dragon. but so much for seeing any sort of story as to how he came about possessing it...

Shame it's so short, but the animation looks lovely in it; all smooth and shiny. 83

[63cohen]

ANN has hinted that Yugioh 10th Anniversary IS being dubbed. In a statement released by 4kids, it states


Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-05-11/4kids-reports-us$3.5-million-loss-in-1st-quarter-2010

I am pretty sure Kahn already said 4kids was involved with the 10th Anniversary, and it was posted here a while ago. Please check earlier in the thread.

But, a third party has shown interest in purchasing 4kids, but we can only speculate who it is (Funimation please)

[YaminoRPG]

Just noticed someone said this is old news. May I point out the quote says ""working on a number of Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th anniversary incentives" which would mean more than just the movie as Lia pointed out. I wonder if this possibly means a revival of the uncut DVDs, maybe dubbing GX perhaps?

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Just noticed someone said this is old news. May I point out the quote says ""working on a number of Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th anniversary incentives" which would mean more than just the movie as Lia pointed out. I wonder if this possibly means a revival of the uncut DVDs, maybe dubbing GX perhaps?

Uncut DVDs of GX Season 4 would be cool, but that's a stretch. Season 4 dubbed? Prodived they make Judai sound less dumb and don't over-censor it, it should be okay.

[63cohen]

Uncut DVDs of GX Season 4 would be cool, but that's a stretch. Season 4 dubbed? Prodived they make Judai sound less dumb and don't over-censor it, it should be okay.

Weird, when people talk about GX, season 4 is always said to be the worst part. Then when 4kids does not touch it, everyone gets the pitch forks.

The season might not have been bad, but it got in the way of 5Ds, something 4kids saw potential in. I think we all know now they had the right idea.

[Allana]

It's weird. Maybe they talk about the movie and 5d"s season 2? They are dubbed some episodes of 5d's season 2 because 67 and others are done.

[tori_yugio4ever]

Weird, when people talk about GX, season 4 is always said to be the worst part. Then when 4kids does not touch it, everyone gets the pitch forks.

First off, not everyone hated season 4 of GX. Second, some of the people who say season 4 was horrible and then hate 4kids for not dubbing it, are the kind that just want to start some crap or complain for the sake of complaining. But that's my opinion, I've had this same discussion amongest many people.

The season might not have been bad, but it got in the way of 5Ds, something 4kids saw potential in. I think we all know now they had the right idea.

You've got a point there.

[TchinMav]

Oh Hello! I'm new on this forum and I'd like to know if there is any subbed version out in the net yet, since I've been searching for a while but I've found nothing, thank you!

[HikariPachirisu]

Oh Hello! I'm new on this forum and I'd like to know if there is any subbed version out in the net yet, since I've been searching for a while but I've found nothing, thank you!

I haven't heard anything yet about the movie coming out, but don't worry the news will be put up quickly when anything new is heard.

[63cohen]

I haven't heard anything yet about the movie coming out, but don't worry the news will be put up quickly when anything new is heard.

According to Horoko, the movie is being delayed for an international release (it did not do as well as they hoped in theaters). 4kids has said they will be doing some 10th Anniversary incentives, what those are is up to the imagination.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Weird, when people talk about GX, season 4 is always said to be the worst part. Then when 4kids does not touch it, everyone gets the pitch forks.

The season might not have been bad, but it got in the way of 5Ds, something 4kids saw potential in. I think we all know now they had the right idea.

I never understood why anyone said it was bad; it was my second favourite, behind Season 3.

And as I've said before, I'm fine with losing Season 4; but they should at least have finished Season 3. Seriously.

[HERODUELIST]

According to Horoko, the movie is being delayed for an international release (it did not do as well as they hoped in theaters). 4kids has said they will be doing some 10th Anniversary incentives, what those are is up to the imagination.

Ok that's not good for us many of my friends ARE really looking forward to this.Guess we have to keep looking forward to it.

[tingfung]

According to Horoko, the movie is being delayed for an international release (it did not do as well as they hoped in theaters). 4kids has said they will be doing some 10th Anniversary incentives, what those are is up to the imagination.

With for kids dubbing it and planning to release it I hope the plan to release it in theaters. That way they can add more footage extended scenes etc. and stretch it out to full movie length. Remember how Pyramid Of Light had extended scenes in the japanese release maybe with the 10th movie there is more footage in the vaults hehe. Other incentives obviously would be the cards, booster packs for movie exclusive cards (I know thats on Konami side of things) hopefully something to celebrate Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th anniversary. Any money they have already dropped the 10th Anniversary from the title and called it Yu-Gi-Oh! the Movie 3D - Time Travelling Heroes or something lame like that.

[Allana]

With for kids dubbing it and planning to release it I hope the plan to release it in theaters. That way they can add more footage extended scenes etc. and stretch it out to full movie length. Remember how Pyramid Of Light had extended scenes in the japanese release maybe with the 10th movie there is more footage in the vaults hehe. Other incentives obviously would be the cards, booster packs for movie exclusive cards (I know thats on Konami side of things) hopefully something to celebrate Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th anniversary. Any money they have already dropped the 10th Anniversary from the title and called it Yu-Gi-Oh! the Movie 3D - Time Travelling Heroes or something lame like that.

If the movie is realeased in theaters, I think they realease the 49 min like Japanese viewvers because toward them, It will be not equal. It's probably 4kids who has cut the scenes. I'm sure they will include exclusive cards, theaters or in the DVD If the movie isn't realeased in theaters.

[Moglie_di_Chazz]

I hope that 4Kids buy this Film,so we can watch in the cinema,but I hope that censorship are just little =_=

[63cohen]

The way 4kids is going, it will be 4kids subsidiary of a larger company releasing it anyway. And no, it is not 4kids fault, the market just isn't in children animation right now, and 4kids is the targets.

[Wslasher]

Is the DVD already out?

According to my friend, his friend manage to got a copy of the movie via T_O_R_R_E_N_T...

[Allana]

Is the DVD already out?

According to my friend, his friend manage to got a copy of the movie via T_O_R_R_E_N_T...

No, the DVD isn't officially realeased (at least last news). Your friend had got a DVD copy?

[Lia]

According to my friend, his friend manage to got a copy of the movie via T_O_R_R_E_N_T...

This sounds interesting. Since the official DVD isn't out yet, and since it might not be out this year, I'm interested where your friend succeeded to find a copy of the movie? It's probably some sort of Camera Rip or something?!

[Ryusaki]

I kinda want a supposed camrip to be leaked, only for it to turn out to be the Toei movie.

[Wslasher]

This sounds interesting. Since the official DVD isn't out yet, and since it might not be out this year, I'm interested where your friend succeeded to find a copy of the movie? It's probably some sort of Camera Rip or something?!

Not sure myself, he said his friend just got it & according to him it wasn't subbed yet.

It be funny if his copy would to be like the unrendered version of "X-Men: Wolverine". lolz