Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[Arynis]

It can, but it's been shown that those with strong enough willpower can resist. And to do what he's been doing, Paradox much have ample willpower.

As for the Key, extracting Sin Truth wouldn't do much good. Tragoedia remained conscious in a tablet, and Diabound just broke free. It stands to reason that something as powerful as Sin Truth would simply not be trap-able.

Wait, those effects can be resisted? Then again, I never watched the Battle City arc... >.<

It could be Sin Paradox Dragon as well. But you have a point about its trap-ability.

He would, but think about the power he could also extract from said items. If it stands to reason he can travel time, it also makes sense that he might be able to requisition the power of those items to fuel his devices. Either that, or use the old Monster Spirits to fuel them, which would require an item. Finally, it would just seem fitting that a villain from the end of the timeline use something from its beginning; that would close the timeframe into an imperfect loop, almost like the Ouroborus (which, as we all know, is a symbol of the Medieval science of Alchemy).

He only needed 1.21 gigawatts of power!

Jokes aside, one of my old speculations involved using Stardust Dragon as time travel fuel. Alternately, Paradox stole cards from powerful duelists in order to power time travel / pinpoint his location in each time period.

"Why Stardust Dragon?" I've seen this question popping up several times. I was joking around with Paradox's D-Wheel resembling a dragon (an evil Stardust?), then I got an idea.

Let's assume Paradox's D-Wheel is capable of time travel. However, Paradox cannot gain enough power to make it far back in time, so he only makes it as far as 5D's present time. There, he discovers Yusei's Stardust Dragon. It could be a potential target for two reasons:

1) It is Yusei's Ace Card. One of the producers noted that they liked Stardust Dragon's "self sacrifical ability". Now, it is known that the cards represent their owners' personality and character. Yusei often looks after his companions, protects them by any means necessary. Stardust Dragon is similar, it can be sacrificed in order to defend the player an activated card whose card effect involves destroying a card (or cards) on the field. It can be Special Summoned if it's sent to the Graveyard that way. Yusei is connected to his friends through bonds, so he will be back no matter what. And because it is Yusei's Ace Card, it must contain a lot of "energy" of some sort. Duel Spirit? Representation of Yusei's spirit?

2) It is a Synchro Monster. Synchro Monsters represent evolution and advancement. Paradox uses a symbol of evolution to go backwards, into the past. The reverse of evolution. The reverse of advancement...

And thus Paradox steals Stardust from Yusei.

Although exactly how Paradox used time travel with his D-Wheel is up in the air now.

Also, indeed, it would be fitting to close the timeline like that. However, you could say the Ouroboros already manifested in Duel Monsters itself - it is what gave life to everything (Darkness explaining it is the origin of the world) and it is what ended life (Paradox's future). The Ouroboros itself is all over in 5D's anyway: the Crimson Dragon, the infinity symbols (which is the modern deciption of Ouroboros)...

By the end, he was a believer, even if he wouldn't admit it. He would also have to be considering the Sangenma were sealed at his Academy; he would never have given funding to that sort of prison unless he saw real, valid danger.

Besides, a truly rational mind would know to rule things out systematically, not just instantly pick a side.

Ah, yeah, the Sangenma. I kind of forgot about that.

It's true ! XD

Kaiba is really skeptic about supernatural things. Paradox is different of Kaiba even he share together the rationality. When Kaiba saw the visions, he doubt of his rationality at this moment: It's a natural reaction. How he can't doubt ? Technically, Kaiba was a spectator.

Paradox, him, is an actor in the past. He lives, he is physically present in the past. He is completly rational when he did actions entierely surnatural. He talk of experiments when he will change the future for forever. If he had sucess, next the result of his experiment - the new future - he would judge If the result will be like he foresee it or not. It's why he talk of experiments: he want to see how things turn out. Finally, It's like a game: the goal of this game is bet If the player is a good seer or not.

Good point about the time travel. Most people would say "Impossible!", yet he did what we assume to be true only in theory.

[GoldenUmi]

No, nothing in particular. There just this horrible thing choose like translation for the word sin

I wish there was something new to tell you. (It feels like ages since the 10th Anniversary website last updated.)

As the others said, not really. Newwise BBS' movie and timeline topics have been silent for a long time as well. 2CH just discusses how and when to attend the movie in Japan and things like that.

I see. Thanks guys.

I think the "go into that person's mind" ability was what Shadi knew of, but the "monster extraction" was used in Egypt only, right?

The Rod would be also problematic for Paradox. That thing can brainwash and hijack others, no?

.....................

Hmm. But wasn't Kaiba also skeptic about the supernatural side of things?

The Millennium Scale had the power to judge people. It basically punishes sinners by "extracting" their evil, which they are then literally devoured by. It's based on the Ancient Egyptian belief that one is judged by the god of the underworld, Anubis, with a scale and a feather. If you're good, the feather is balanced with your heart. If you're bad, your heart weighs more than the feather and you are devoured by hell.

The Millennium Rod grants one the ability to control one's brain, from senses to actual thinking. The Rod is much cooler in the original versus the dub, because it's explained that by simply backing off, you can allow the person's voice and subconscious to still be present. You can also implant a part of your mind into another.

But yes, Paradox would have no need for past powers when his future technology is probably superior.

As for Kaiba, the anime makes him somewhat of a believer at the end, but not the manga.

Here're some 10th Anniversary related videos made by MAD:
1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OKgdzOmAIc
2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQkmOuDZZPs
3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2czRQxtiNg
Don't want to interrupt your strenuous discussion, just have them in mind.

Awesome videos. The first and last are the best.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Wait, those effects can be resisted? Then again, I never watched the Battle City arc... >.<

It could be Sin Paradox Dragon as well. But you have a point about its trap-ability.

Yes, they can. Jonouchi managed to break free. (That's why not watching that arc may cause these kinds of unwanted explanations). As for Sin Paradox; conceded.

He only needed 1.21 gigawatts of power!

Jokes aside, one of my old speculations involved using Stardust Dragon as time travel fuel. Alternately, Paradox stole cards from powerful duelists in order to power time travel / pinpoint his location in each time period.

Although exactly how Paradox used time travel with his D-Wheel is up in the air now.

Perhaps he had used the other dragons as a source of fuel (note that all of them had some sort of powerful presence), but Stardust was just the most powerful.

Also, indeed, it would be fitting to close the timeline like that. However, you could say the Ouroboros already manifested in Duel Monsters itself - it is what gave life to everything (Darkness explaining it is the origin of the world) and it is what ended life (Paradox's future). The Ouroboros itself is all over in 5D's anyway: the Crimson Dragon, the infinity symbols (which is the modern depiction of Ouroboros)...

Yes, because in no way would the writers of this series ever repeat the same idea over and over again. [/sarcasm]

Ah, yeah, the Sangenma. I kind of forgot about that.

Now I'm wondering why Paradox didn't go after them. He wouldn't be able to Control the Egyptian Gods, and the Wicked Gods' existence in Canon is questioned; but the Demons would have given him ample power. Plus, he'd be taking them away from people who could use them for evil.

Good point about the time travel. Most people would say "Impossible!", yet he did what we assume to be true only in theory.

In that aspect, Paradox is more scientific than modern "scientists". They rule out creatures in cryptozoology (ie Bigfoot) without even considering that there might be a possibility of existence. I bet Paradox would travel back in time just to find out if Bigfoot did exist.

[Arynis]

The Millennium Scale had the power to judge people. It basically punishes sinners by "extracting" their evil, which they are then literally devoured by. It's based on the Ancient Egyptian belief that one is judged by the god of the underworld, Anubis, with a scale and a feather. If you're good, the feather is balanced with your heart. If you're bad, your heart weighs more than the feather and you are devoured by hell.

The Millennium Rod grants one the ability to control one's brain, from senses to actual thinking. The Rod is much cooler in the original versus the dub, because it's explained that by simply backing off, you can allow the person's voice and subconscious to still be present. You can also implant a part of your mind into another.

Oh, yeah. I kind of forgot about the Scale because Shadi used it only once... and it doesn't look as impressive as the other Items when it's used (although the Penalty Game did look impressive). Paradox would have a lot of extractable material in him, I bet.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation!

Yes, they can. Jonouchi managed to break free. (That's why not watching that arc may cause these kinds of unwanted explanations). As for Sin Paradox; conceded.

Ah, I see. And the arc has been on my list for a long time, unfortunately I never got around to watching it for whatever reason. The most I know of Battle City is what I read here and there and from the story of the Sacred Cards. (Which is a loose adaption of it, but eh...) XD;

Perhaps he had used the other dragons as a source of fuel (note that all of them had some sort of powerful presence), but Stardust was just the most powerful.

That could be a possibility.

Now I'm wondering why Paradox didn't go after them. He wouldn't be able to Control the Egyptian Gods, and the Wicked Gods' existence in Canon is questioned; but the Demons would have given him ample power. Plus, he'd be taking them away from people who could use them for evil.

Weren't the Sangenma a secret as well? Or was their secret status blown during GX?

Could it be because they are only technically strong, but not iconic or bound to anyone in particular? The dragons were the signature cards of well known and powerful duelists who were pretty much represented by said cards. The Sangenma didn't represent anyone.

In that aspect, Paradox is more scientific than modern "scientists". They rule out creatures in cryptozoology (ie Bigfoot) without even considering that there might be a possibility of existence. I bet Paradox would travel back in time just to find out if Bigfoot did exist.

Heh heh. If he wasn't preoccupied with saving the future at first...

[tori_yugio4ever]

Anyone know if there's going to be a video game based off the YGO 10th anniversary movie?

[Makoeyes987]

Now I'm wondering why Paradox didn't go after them. He wouldn't be able to Control the Egyptian Gods, and the Wicked Gods' existence in Canon is questioned; but the Demons would have given him ample power. Plus, he'd be taking them away from people who could use them for evil.

Because they suck hard and would be too difficult to take. Why bother going through the hassle of getting those keys and crap, and then tunneling under Duel Academia, when he already has two monsters thatare just as strong, or stronger than them?

And really, all he needed were some strong fodder mons that would be capable of destroying the past and keeping Duel Monsters from ever being a developed franchise/business ever again. And he likes dragons. A lot.

All of the monsters he takes belong to duelists that are well known and respected in their eras. The Fake Gods don't really belong to anyone, and are kinda top secret, in the first place.

Then again, I never watched the Battle City arc... >.<

You need to rectify this. Immediately.

[J_BYYX]

Anyone know if there's going to be a video game based off the YGO 10th anniversary movie?

If you want l can make one

[Lia]

Anyone know if there's going to be a video game based off the YGO 10th anniversary movie?

I think one of the Duel Terminals included the main characters from the 3 series, but that's not a video game. Here's an example video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiyBqElWiPA It's not who knows what, but....I don't know why I even mentioned it. xD

[Allana]

Oh, yeah. I kind of forgot about the Scale because Shadi used it only once... and it doesn't look as impressive as the other Items when it's used (although the Penalty Game did look impressive). Paradox would have a lot of extractable material in him, I bet.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation!



Ah, I see. And the arc has been on my list for a long time, unfortunately I never got around to watching it for whatever reason. The most I know of Battle City is what I read here and there and from the story of the Sacred Cards. (Which is a loose adaption of it, but eh...) XD;



That could be a possibility.



Weren't the Sangenma a secret as well? Or was their secret status blown during GX?

Could it be because they are only technically strong, but not iconic or bound to anyone in particular? The dragons were the signature cards of well known and powerful duelists who were pretty much represented by said cards. The Sangenma didn't represent anyone.



Heh heh. If he wasn't preoccupied with saving the future at first...

Paradox chooses dragons probably in reference to his Psychics Powers: dragons like powers destroy all. Also, the fact his dragons had 4000 attacks points symbolizes it: they are powerful attack points and specials abilities like their master. Paradox can't control Egyptians Gods because he isn't the chosen.

I read Battle City in manga but I don't watch it entierly in anime. I'm guilty also.

[tori_yugio4ever]

Paradox chooses dragons probably in reference to his Psychics Powers: dragons like powers destroy all. Also, the fact his dragons had 4000 attacks points symbolizes it: they are powerful attack points and specials abilities like their master. Paradox can't control Egyptians Gods because he isn't the chosen.

I read Battle City in manga but I don't watch it entierly in anime. I'm guilty also.

You should find time to watch it. It's a bit different than the manga version.

[Allana]

You should find time to watch it. It's a bit different than the manga version.

I will try to do it.

For the moment, no video game talk about the movie. I think they will do it later.

[Arynis]

I have updated the Wiki page for the 10th Anniversary Animation Book - Infobox is complete and the Table of Contents has been added.

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Because they suck hard and would be too difficult to take. Why bother going through the hassle of getting those keys and crap, and then tunneling under Duel Academia, when he already has two monsters thatare just as strong, or stronger than them?

And I just imagined Paradox digging through the Academia grounds like a madman. XD But you have a point. Then again, he could just blow up the whole building, at the risk of damaging the cards.

And really, all he needed were some strong fodder mons that would be capable of destroying the past and keeping Duel Monsters from ever being a developed franchise/business ever again. And he likes dragons. A lot.

Yep. And besides, Pegasus is a total wimp, it's not like he has any supernatural powers to overthrow Paradox with or anything. Poor guy doesn't even have the Power of Love at his disposal.

Also, were Hiruma and Paradox to go on a mutual compensation party team up, their monsters would be Barrel Dragon, Blowback Dragon and co.

You need to rectify this. Immediately.

When I get there, I promise I will. XD

Or considering how the Battle City chapters are uploaded in the manga forums, I'll give those a look...

Paradox chooses dragons probably in reference to his Psychics Powers: dragons like powers destroy all. Also, the fact his dragons had 4000 attacks points symbolizes it: they are powerful attack points and specials abilities like their master. Paradox can't control Egyptians Gods because he isn't the chosen.

I read Battle City in manga but I don't watch it entierly in anime. I'm guilty also.

That's a good point. Paradox is a strong person, which is manifested in the power of his dragons.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Because they suck hard and would be too difficult to take. Why bother going through the hassle of getting those keys and crap, and then tunneling under Duel Academia, when he already has two monsters that are just as strong, or stronger than them?

And really, all he needed were some strong fodder monsters that would be capable of destroying the past and keeping Duel Monsters from ever being a developed franchise/business ever again. And he likes dragons. A lot.

All of the monsters he takes belong to duelists that are well known and respected in their eras. The Fake Gods don't really belong to anyone, and are kinda top secret, in the first place.

Remember Season 1 of GX? They apparently have the power to absorb other Duel Spirits, which would prevent opposition. Secondly, remember that Yubel didn't need the Keys - she simply took them by force, or by generating enough Duel Energy. Simple enough. Or, he could travel back to when Kagemaru got them, snatch them, and take them with.

And as for them not belonging; that's arguably true for the Basic Ones, but Armityle is definitively Yubel's. It was only ever used by someone possessed by her. And, if they're so top secret, how did EVERYONE in Season 3 know what they were?

[Nexus]

Sin truth dragon confirmed for release :

http://beebee2see.appspot.com.nyud.n...eHQYvvpCDA.jpg

[Lia]

Sin truth dragon confirmed for release :

http://beebee2see.appspot.com.nyud.n...eHQYvvpCDA.jpg

Well, nice. The card will look way better when we see a HQ scan of it.
Now I'm waiting to see if the rumours for the brought back movie's preview are true or not.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Sin truth dragon confirmed for release :

http://beebee2see.appspot.com.nyud.n...eHQYvvpCDA.jpg

Now I'm intrigued at what its new effect will be. Obviously it won't require Paradigm Shift; they would have announced it and Paradox if it did. My guess is they're badly nerfing it so it won't be broken to hell, and the result won't be worth playing.

[Arynis]

Remember Season 1 of GX? They apparently have the power to absorb other Duel Spirits, which would prevent opposition. Secondly, remember that Yubel didn't need the Keys - she simply took them by force, or by generating enough Duel Energy. Simple enough. Or, he could travel back to when Kagemaru got them, snatch them, and take them with.

And as for them not belonging; that's arguably true for the Basic Ones, but Armityle is definitively Yubel's. It was only ever used by someone possessed by her. And, if they're so top secret, how did EVERYONE in Season 3 know what they were?

And also make the wielder younger. *imagines Paradox turning into an infant* Hmm... Yeah, I don't think that would work. XD (Unless that was just Kagemaru's way of making an use of the Sangenma's power, or the Sangenma was capable of granting wishes. I don't remember anymore.) Although Martin/Yubel didn't seem to become younger when the Sangenma were summoned, but they were in the Dimension World at the time, which may have altered the conditions?

I have been wondering though, perhaps Paradox didn't have access to every single bit of information/event and thus he may not have been able to travel back to any point in time? Or his D-Wheel didn't allow him to (similarly to Chrono Trigger, where Crono and his friends could travel to specific eras only with the Entity's help). If absolutely everything got destroyed in the future, a lot of information on past events may have been lost as well.

Sin truth dragon confirmed for release :

http://beebee2see.appspot.com.nyud.n...eHQYvvpCDA.jpg

Aaaaaaaaaaa Sin Truth~ ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!! The card art is just beautiful!

And I was discussing with a person when would Sin Truth and the others get released just yesterday, haha.

[YaminoRPG]

Regarding the points people made about my Shadi comment. Remember that Shadi (in the anime) is a ghost so cannot be hurt (he was only able to be hurt in the memory world. Also whilst his item may not be able to beat Paradoxs monster he could rearrange paradox mind so that he actually forgets about it. Also the scales could be used to pass judgment on paradox as shown in the comic.
And lets not forget at the time in history Shadi would still have the eye which at worst case senario he could use to his advantage and seal Paradox's soul away.

The problem as I see it is he needed Yugi and Pegasus to be alive at a certain point as intervention any earlier may effect the outcome of the Ultimate Yami No Game which would bring the destruction of the world anyway. By Snuffing Pegasus out at that given moment the game would eventually die out but Yugi would still have the god cards necessary to complete the ritual.

[Makoeyes987]

Paradox already can do what the Phantom Demons did in season 1, without their help. He can snatch the monster right out of the card and put them in his own cards. So why would he need them to steal the ka/spirits, if that was what he wanted to do in the first place?

Yubel was able to take the Phantom Demons because she literally tamed them and made them obey her. She just broke the seal and made them subservient to her.

Also, everyone knew about the Phantom Demons because by the time Season 3 rolled along, the secret was broken thanks to them..you know...getting summoned and effecting the world. By then the secret wasn't quite so secret.

I don't think anyone knows or saw Armityle before since it was only summoned in another dimension and probably was never seen again, seeing as how Yubel's Phantom Demon deck vanished in the other dimension. In fact, the rest of the Phantom Demons are probably lost in the other dimension too.

And Sin Truth Dragon looks awesome. I sure hope it doesn't suck like all the other movie promos have XD

[Makoeyes987]

Regarding the points people made about my Shadi comment. Remember that Shadi (in the anime) is a ghost so cannot be hurt (he was only able to be hurt in the memory world. Also whilst his item may not be able to beat Paradoxs monster he could rearrange paradox mind so that he actually forgets about it. Also the scales could be used to pass judgment on paradox as shown in the comic.
And lets not forget at the time in history Shadi would still have the eye which at worst case senario he could use to his advantage and seal Paradox's soul away.


The problem as I see it is he need Yugi and Pegasus to be alive at a certain point as intervention any earlier may effect the outcome of the Ultimate Yami No Game which would bring the destruction of the world anyway. By Snuffing Pegasus out at that given moment the game would eventually die out but Yugi would still have the god cards necessary to complete the ritual.

Wow, that's a damn good point.

But in the end, Paradox doesn't seem to care too much about that, given he's willing to kill him too when he gets in his way. XD

[YaminoRPG]

Wow, that's a damn good point.

But in the end, Paradox doesn't seem to care too much about that, given he's willing to kill him too when he gets in his way. XD

Yes but thats when he's at a point of despiration. His original plan was not designed to factor that in and besides Yugi was "out of his own time" at this point. Under 5D's time system it could be when time is rewritten a new yugi in that timeline would emerge. A simular system was used in the recent Doctor Who audio play "The architects of history". A time traveling **** stole his Tardis and rewrote history. However the old doctor was in theory wiped out of time he still existed in the renewed timeline. All quite complicated but a workable system.

[Allana]

Sin Truth Dragon looks beautiful ! Thanks Arynis !

[Prismamaster]

Konami is going to nerf it.Why do you guys get exicted about it?Neos knight had 2000 def in the anime but konami made it have 1000 def.Sin Truth Dragon will probably have 4000 atk instead of 5000.

[Arynis]

Regarding the points people made about my Shadi comment. Remember that Shadi (in the anime) is a ghost so cannot be hurt (he was only able to be hurt in the memory world. Also whilst his item may not be able to beat Paradoxs monster he could rearrange paradox mind so that he actually forgets about it. Also the scales could be used to pass judgment on paradox as shown in the comic.
And lets not forget at the time in history Shadi would still have the eye which at worst case senario he could use to his advantage and seal Paradox's soul away.

The problem as I see it is he needed Yugi and Pegasus to be alive at a certain point as intervention any earlier may effect the outcome of the Ultimate Yami No Game which would bring the destruction of the world anyway. By Snuffing Pegasus out at that given moment the game would eventually die out but Yugi would still have the god cards necessary to complete the ritual.

Good point about Shadi.

Heh, what came to my mind regarding the Eye is that Paradox would be at the wrong place in the wrong time. "Let's see if the Eye accepts you..." Oops? Way to cause a Predestination Paradox, since the Eye would take care of him after that with all its brainwashing. And teen!Pegasus would be left somewhere in Egypt... or discover Paradox's D-Wheel and take advantage of it. Then he goes to the distant future, goes crazy, then comes back and kills the now Duel Monsters Creator Paradox... XD

That's an interesting possibility. But if Paradox was able to curbstomp Judai, who supposedly carries the most powerful force (and a powerful Duel Spirit inside him)... Would Bakura be a problem for him, then? It's not like any of them is capable of defending themselves from a collapsing building, for instance. Not even Bakura's host. (I think?)

Wow, that's a damn good point.

But in the end, Paradox doesn't seem to care too much about that, given he's willing to kill him too when he gets in his way. XD

The guy's willing to do anything for his future, considering he went as far as sacrificing himself and fusing with his own monster in the end. And a few deaths mean nothing to him when he wants to save the entire mankind. XD;

Yes but thats when he's at a point of despiration. His original plan was not designed to factor that in and besides Yugi was "out of his own time" at this point. Under 5D's time system it could be when time is rewritten a new yugi in that timeline would emerge. A simular system was used in the recent Doctor Who audio play "The architects of history". A time traveling **** stole his Tardis and rewrote history. However the old doctor was in theory wiped out of time he still existed in the renewed timeline. All quite complicated but a workable system.

Even if he didn't factor in Yugi getting away and the protagonists teaming up, he didn't seem surprised about it. In fact, he sounded intrigued to me.

Konami is going to nerf it.Why do you guys get exicted about it?Neos knight had 2000 def in the anime but konami made it have 1000 def.Sin Truth Dragon will probably have 4000 atk instead of 5000.

I'm only in for the card art, really. XD

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I don't think anyone knows or saw Armityle before since it was only summoned in another dimension and probably was never seen again, seeing as how Yubel's Phantom Demon deck vanished in the other dimension. In fact, the rest of the Phantom Demons are probably lost in the other dimension too.

And Sin Truth Dragon looks awesome. I sure hope it doesn't suck like all the other movie promos have XD

I would doubt it. When we see Yubel just after the Fusion, she still has her Deck. I'd almost bet she still has them. Which, admittedly, would make them hard to get.

Sin Truth's art is magnificent. It also brings up a point. Remember Arynis' comment about how the Dragon looked like a mess? Look at its feet; they seem backwards. That's hard to see in the animation, but apparentn in the card art. Also, its tail juts from its back rather clearly.

Konami is going to nerf it.Why do you guys get exicted about it?Neos knight had 2000 def in the anime but konami made it have 1000 def.Sin Truth Dragon will probably have 4000 atk instead of 5000.

Neos Knight's DEF was never mentioned in the Movie; 2000 was a speculation based on other Neos Fusions. However, God Neos went from 3000 to 2500 in the OCG; but then again, it was changed completely. I'm willing to bet Sin Truth will stay 5000; it'll just be counterbalanced.

[Arynis]

Sin Truth's art is magnificent. It also brings up a point. Remember Arynis' comment about how the Dragon looked like a mess? Look at its feet; they seem backwards. That's hard to see in the animation, but apparentn in the card art. Also, its tail juts from its back rather clearly.

My first impression was "dragon on ice blades/rollerskates!". To me, it seemed like its claws were facing the wrong way. Other than that, the feet look fine. And yeah, the tail just grows out from the back.

(For some reason, I'm now thinking of "Arceus on too many spikes"...)

[Makoeyes987]

Good point about Shadi.
That's an interesting possibility. But if Paradox was able to curbstomp Judai, who supposedly carries the most powerful force (and a powerful Duel Spirit inside him)... Would Bakura be a problem for him, then? It's not like any of them is capable of defending themselves from a collapsing building, for instance. Not even Bakura's host. (I think?)

Judai can't invoke the powers of the Games of Darkness though. That's entirely different, and if Bakura (or any other Millennium Item wielder) wanted to, they could invoke a Game of Darkness to force Paradox to either submit to the rules of the game, or suffer the "Penalty Game."

And do keep in mind Bakura's also demonstrated telekinetic powers and the ability to manifest duel monsters in reality as well. He does so thanks to the Ring around his neck.

The guy's willing to do anything for his future, considering he went as far as sacrificing himself and fusing with his own monster in the end. And a few deaths mean nothing to him when he wants to save the entire mankind. XD;

That may be the initial reason, but given the dialogue and his change of attitude later on, something definitely seemed to have.... snapped once Paradox was backed into a corner in the duel. Somehow during the duel, a line was crossed and Paradox just didn't want to lose and was gonna knock some heads to keep from doing so. Either he just was too proud to admit defeat, or his own power/darkness corrupted him and caused him to just want to kill all three of them no matter what.

Even if he didn't factor in Yugi getting away and the protagonists teaming up, he didn't seem surprised about it. In fact, he sounded intrigued to me.

That's what makes me think it's pride...he didn't seem the least bit stressed or perturbed by the fact he was taking on 3 duelists...3 powerful ones. The stress of coming close to losing may have just made him snap and go balls out, just to win.

I'm only in for the card art, really. XD

Well, I sure as hell will make sure to get a Japanese copy of it, because I seriously don't feel enthused about its US localization. "Malefic Truth Dragon." Yay?

[Arynis]

Judai can't invoke the powers of the Games of Darkness though. That's entirely different, and if Bakura (or any other Millennium Item wielder) wanted to, they could invoke a Game of Darkness to force Paradox to either submit to the rules of the game, or suffer the "Penalty Game."

And do keep in mind Bakura's also demonstrated telekinetic powers and the ability to manifest duel monsters in reality as well. He does so thanks to the Ring around his neck.

True that. And you're right about the Game of Darkness, but what if Paradox striked at Bakura/any Item wielder quickly and out of the blue? Unless said Item wielder was also able to generate a Game of Darkness and immediately deal a Penalty Game to Paradox... And what if Paradox attacked from a great distance? I mean, didn't most Games of Darkness/Penalty Games occurred when both players were in close proximity?

That may be the initial reason, but given the dialogue and his change of attitude later on, something definitely seemed to have.... snapped once Paradox was backed into a corner in the duel. Somehow during the duel, a line was crossed and Paradox just didn't want to lose and was gonna knock some heads to keep from doing so. Either he just was too proud to admit defeat, or his own power/darkness corrupted him and caused him to just want to kill all three of them no matter what.

Or maybe he was desperate? Kind of like Pegasus, who was all confident during his duel with Yugi until the latter did the Mind Shuffle trick. After Toon World was destroyed, Pegasus initated the Game of Darkness and started summoning entirely different monsters. Of course, Pegasus kept getting more keen on defeating Yugi, including summoning Sacrifice and absorbing Yugi's monsters, exhausting Yugi and leaving only Dark Yugi behind, and finally summoning Thousand-Eyes Sacrifice to take him down.

After Sin Paradox Dragon was destroyed, Paradox would go to extreme measures to take the protagonists down, summoning Sin Truth Dragon ...Heh, another parallel.

That's what makes me think it's pride...he didn't seem the least bit stressed or perturbed by the fact he was taking on 3 duelists...3 powerful ones. The stress of coming close to losing may have just made him snap and go balls out, just to win.

Just like Pegasus, probably. Confident about his progress until locked in a corner and forced to go serious mode. We'd need to see the movie ourselves to see exactly how it plays out, though.

Well, I sure as hell will make sure to get a Japanese copy of it, because I seriously don't feel enthused about its US localization. "Malefic Truth Dragon." Yay?

Pff, it just sounds so corny.

Hmm... one thing I noticed is how Sin Truth and Sin Blue-Eyes both have that "clouds and thunders" background. Reference to divine punishment against the "Sin"? Then there's the fact that Sin Truth's attack/effect attack (not sure which) is called "Sin Thunderbolt".

[Makoeyes987]

True that. And you're right about the Game of Darkness, but what if Paradox striked at Bakura/any Item wielder quickly and out of the blue? Unless said Item wielder was also able to generate a Game of Darkness and immediately deal a Penalty Game to Paradox... And what if Paradox attacked from a great distance? I mean, didn't most Games of Darkness/Penalty Games occurred when both players were in close proximity?

That's true, but that can be said about anyone with any magical plot device. XD

Although, one can instantly generate a Game of Darkness on the spot, even a Penalty. All it takes is willing it. See Bandit Keith "shooting" himself in the head with his finger, and dying.

[FONT="Tahoma"]Or maybe he was desperate? Kind of like Pegasus, who was all confident during his duel with Yugi until the latter did the Mind Shuffle trick. After Toon World was destroyed, Pegasus initated the Game of Darkness and started summoning entirely different monsters. Of course, Pegasus kept getting more keen on defeating Yugi, including summoning Sacrifice and absorbing Yugi's monsters, exhausting Yugi and leaving only Dark Yugi behind, and finally summoning Thousand-Eyes Sacrifice to take him down.

Well yeah, desperate too. But I think its a bit more malicious than that. Paradox wasn't scared. He was pissed. And unlike Pegasus, Paradox seemed to have completely gone balls out, to the point that he was sacrificing his original goal, or at the very least his own well being and capacity to even travel. I..suppose that he could just go on rampaging through Domino City, and kill Pegasus himself as Sin Truth Dragon, and yeah..XD

When Pegasus got desperate he still had his goal of beating Yugi in mind, and didn't past a point of no return in doing it. Paradox just literally sacrificed his Time Machine and his lower half. He had to have gone pretty bonkers to have taken it that far.

Pff, it just sounds so corny.

Hmm... one thing I noticed is how Sin Truth and Sin Blue-Eyes both have that "clouds and thunders" background. Reference to divine punishment against the "Sin"? Then there's the fact that Sin Truth's attack/effect attack (not sure which) is called "Sin Thunderbolt".

Ahh, I never thought about that. That's a good observation. I'm sure that might be the reason. Awesome ^^

[YaminoRPG]

Paradox Vs Bakura would be an interesting match. I think Bakura would win or even if he was defeated could seal part of his soul away into paradox's bike. Hmmm now thats an idea, Bakura travels to the future, realizes he lost the ultimate game and makes a contingency plan to be resurrected again at a later date.

Anyway Paradox lost as it is clearly stated in DM the events that happen happen because of fate and whilst GX likes to make out fate doesn't exist (I wish GX didn't) it's clearly the crux behind the movement of the plot in DM. So I think the events in DM are like a fixed point in time and that's why parasdox;s plan inevitably failed.

[kidichi_94]

Paradox Vs Bakura would be an interesting match. I think Bakura would win or even if he was defeated could seal part of his soul away into paradox's bike. Hmmm now thats an idea, Bakura travels to the future, realizes he lost the ultimate game and makes a contingency plan to be resurrected again at a later date.

Anyway Paradox lost as it is clearly stated in DM the events that happen happen because of fate and whilst GX likes to make out fate doesn't exist (I wish GX didn't) it's clearly the crux behind the movement of the plot in DM. So I think the events in DM are like a fixed point in time and that's why parasdox;s plan inevitably failed.

Then, Bakura together with Darkness take control the world, yeah, that is good

[Nexus]

I really don't think Paradox would lose to either Darkness or Bakura....

[Arynis]

XYZ Dragon Cannon on Nintendo World BBS posted some pictures of Junk Gardna:

Nintendo World BBS Post #2230

Spoiler: Saving space

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[Theory]

That's true, but that can be said about anyone with any magical plot device. XD

Although, one can instantly generate a Game of Darkness on the spot, even a Penalty. All it takes is willing it. See Bandit Keith "shooting" himself in the head with his finger, and dying.

Yeah, but Pegasus still went on talking about how Keith lost his heart as a Duelist and so on. Keith could have still stabbed him with the knife. (Or in the anime, pull the trigger. Although killing Pegasus means no prize money but being arrested instead. XD Which makes me wonder, Yakou could have just had Yugi arrested under the suspicion of killing Pegasus... then again, he was too nuts by that point.) I guess Talking Is A Free Action?

Well yeah, desperate too. But I think its a bit more malicious than that. Paradox wasn't scared. He was pissed. And unlike Pegasus, Paradox seemed to have completely gone balls out, to the point that he was sacrificing his original goal, or at the very least his own well being and capacity to even travel. I..suppose that he could just go on rampaging through Domino City, and kill Pegasus himself as Sin Truth Dragon, and yeah..XD

Well, Pegasus was both scared and pissed, wasn't he? Paradox could have been also scared, he just seems to have a better poker face. (For a guy who witnessed the world's destruction, he well took his time with snapping completely.) But I see your point. As for Pegasus, he kind of sacrificed himself and his well-being when he went under Shadi's test and received the Millennium Eye, too.

Yeah, one makes thing why he agreed to duel the protagonists when he could have just blasted them in the face. XD I guess it was either his pride, or the fact that he knew it would be a convenient way to take all three of them down at once (the summary mentioned that the loser would die in the duel). Considering the story, I guess settling anything with a duel is mandatory. Paradox just had to be Genre Blind at the wrong moment...

Yusei: "Let's end this! Due---"
*BOOM*
Paradox: "Hah hah hah! Good job, Sin Paradox Dragon/Rainbow Dragon/Stardust Dragon/Cyber End Dragon/insert dragon here!"

And Pegasus wasn't in the city at that time, Paradox could have still stalled the duel until Pegasus arrived.

Pegasus: "What on Earth is going on---"
*BOOM*
Paradox: "Die, Duel Monsters creator, die!"
Protagonists: "Oh bugger. D:"

When Pegasus got desperate he still had his goal of beating Yugi in mind, and didn't past a point of no return in doing it. Paradox just literally sacrificed his Time Machine and his lower half. He had to have gone pretty bonkers to have taken it that far.

That's true, though. But as I said before, you could say that Pegasus went past the point of no return way before that.

Ahh, I never thought about that. That's a good observation. I'm sure that might be the reason. Awesome ^^

Or you could say that creating Duel Monsters was the ultimate Sin, and Paradox intends to judge and punish Pegasus for it himself.

Paradox Vs Bakura would be an interesting match. I think Bakura would win or even if he was defeated could seal part of his soul away into paradox's bike. Hmmm now thats an idea, Bakura travels to the future, realizes he lost the ultimate game and makes a contingency plan to be resurrected again at a later date.

Seal a part of him in his bike. That would be certainly interesting...

Anyway Paradox lost as it is clearly stated in DM the events that happen happen because of fate and whilst GX likes to make out fate doesn't exist (I wish GX didn't) it's clearly the crux behind the movement of the plot in DM. So I think the events in DM are like a fixed point in time and that's why parasdox;s plan inevitably failed.

You mean this?

[Case B] If paradoxes are not allowed to happen, or an attempt is made to prevent them from occurring:

The Novikov self-consistency principle dictates that paradoxes are not possible. The possibility of an event existing which is capable of creating a paradox is zero.

The natural continuity of the timeline interferes with the time traveler in order to prevent the paradox-inducing event from occurring. (Timeline protection hypothesis)

[Lia]

XYZ Dragon Cannon on Nintendo World BBS posted some pictures of Junk Gardna:

Nintendo World BBS Post #2230

Spoiler: Saving space

Good, now we have a clear HQ version of "Junk Gardna" card.
PS: Nintendo_Ranger already gave the link for the card itself.
Junk Archer & Junk Gardna: - http://i44.tinypic.com/69n6he.png

[Prismamaster]

Who uses de fusion in the movie?

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Who uses de fusion in the movie?

That would be Yugi and Yami The Nameless Pharaoh Atem. Judai already used 2 of his set cards, the used 2 more later; and Yusei doesn't run it.

[Arynis]

That would be Yugi and [s]Yami[/s] [s]The Nameless Pharaoh[/s] Atem. Judai already used 2 of his set cards, the used 2 more later; and Yusei doesn't run it.

Didn't the movie clips from the 5D's OP/EDs show Judai activating it? As I noted, the summary in the first post may be incorrect, but I didn't bother getting around it since then because I simply don't know what is right or wrong anymore. D:;

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Didn't the movie clips from the 5D's OP/EDs show Judai activating it? As I noted, the summary in the first post may be incorrect, but I didn't bother getting around it since then because I simply don't know what is right or wrong anymore. D:;

I'm fairly certain it was the Pharaoh who activated it. Judai already has his 4 cards accounted for:

1) Hero barrier
2) Elemental Mirage
3) Kuriboh-Calling Flute
4) Neos Spiral Force

Although, that only proves it was the Pharaoh's card, it would appear the rules state only the owner of the card may activate it.

EDIT: I checked with the Video again, and it appears Judai does in fact activate it; but it's still Yugi's card.

[Allana]

I'm fairly certain it was the Pharaoh who activated it. Judai already has his 4 cards accounted for:

1) Hero barrier
2) Elemental Mirage
3) Kuriboh-Calling Flute
4) Neos Spiral Force

Although, that only proves it was the Pharaoh's card, it would appear the rules state only the owner of the card may activate it.

EDIT: I checked with the Video again, and it appears Judai does in fact activate it; but it's still Yugi's card.

Yes, exactly. For Sin Truth Dragon's background, the second interpretation seems me better. Also, the clouds and thunder can be the fact of Sin Dragon monsters when he coming.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

My first impression was "dragon on ice blades/rollerskates!". To me, it seemed like its claws were facing the wrong way. Other than that, the feet look fine. And yeah, the tail just grows out from the back.

(For some reason, I'm now thinking of "Arceus on too many spikes"...)

That's what I was taking about when I said backwards.

For Sin Truth Dragon's background, the second interpretation seems me better. Also, the clouds and thunder can be the fact of Sin Dragon monsters when he coming.

He does have one of the best backgrounds I've ever seen, but the focus is still the dragon itself. To me, it looks like all Beatles songs sound: like the result of LSD.

[Makoeyes987]

How do you know if it was Yugi's card? I'm confused.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

How do you know if it was Yugi's card? I'm confused.

It's basic math. Every player started out with 5 cards in hand.

Yusei:
-Draws for turn (+1)
-Plays Reincarnation of Hope (-3)
-Summons Junk Synchron (-1)
-Sets 2 cards (Stardust Mirage and Afterglow of a Miracle) (-2)
-0 cards in hand

JUdai:
-Draws for turn (+1)
-Fuses Neos in hand with Junk Gardna (-2)
-Sets 4 cards (revealed as Kuriboh-calling Flute, Hero Barrier, Elemental Mirage, Neos Spiral Force)
-0 Cards in hand

Yugi:
-Draws for Turn AND adds card to hand from Reincarnation of Hope (+2)
-Summons Black Magician via Ancient Rules (-2)
-Plays Student-Teacher Bonds, Magic Gate and Blast Twin Burst (-3)
-Sets 2 cards (Fusion Release and Black Twin Burst) (-2)
-0 cards in hand

Everyone's cards are accounted for.

[YaminoRPG]

[FONT="Tahoma"]
You mean this?

Yeh thats what I mean. My friend who is a Doctor of Philosophy wrote a paper reflecting on this called "Time Brick theory". I'll try dig it out and summarize some points later as it would make some excellent points for debate.

[Makoeyes987]

It's basic math. Every player started out with 5 cards in hand.

Yusei:
-Draws for turn (+1)
-Plays Reincarnation of Hope (-3)
-Summons Junk Synchron (-1)
-Sets 2 cards (Stardust Mirage and Afterglow of a Miracle) (-2)
-0 cards in hand

JUdai:
-Draws for turn (+1)
-Fuses Neos in hand with Junk Gardna (-2)
-Sets 4 cards (revealed as Kuriboh-calling Flute, Hero Barrier, Elemental Mirage, Neos Spiral Force)
-0 Cards in hand

Yugi:
-Draws for Turn AND adds card to hand from Reincarnation of Hope (+2)
-Summons Black Magician via Ancient Rules (-2)
-Plays Student-Teacher Bonds, Magic Gate and Blast Twin Burst (-3)
-Sets 2 cards (Fusion Release and Black Twin Burst) (-2)
-0 cards in hand

Everyone's cards are accounted for.

Oh duh! XD

Of course, that makes perfect sense. I totally forgot how short the duel was in all actuality. Good observation.

LOL, wow. So Judai just activated Yugi's card. How did he know what it was anyways? I..I'm lost as to why he did that and all. Why didn't Yugi just do it or...?

[Arynis]

From 2CH Post 539 - Here is the BGM list of the movie with scene descriptions:

619 :ななしいさお@オマエモナゆりかご会:2010/01/23(土) 18:40:41 ID:???0
新規BGM1(冒頭の十代のシーン)
新規BGM2(スターダストドラゴンが奪われるシーン)
「ドラゴン」(スターダストが過去で大暴れしていることが判明したシーン)
「カタルシス」(龍のあざの力で過去に飛ぶシーン~十代がピンチに陥るところ)
「せつない心」(十代の自己紹介)
新規BGM3(ネオスのカードの絵柄が消えかかるシーン)
新規BGM4(童実野町のデュエル大会)
「激震」(ペガサスがビルの下敷きになるシーン)
「作戦会議」(3人でパラドックスを倒す決意をするシーン)
「対決」(パラドックスが3人の前に現れるシーン)
「怒り」(パラドックスの目的を知った3人の反応)
「熱き決闘者たち(GX ver.)」(アテム覚醒~3人がデュエルディスクを構えるシーン)

620 :ななしいさお@オマエモナゆりかご会:2010/01/23(土) 18:50:45 ID:???0
未収録曲(GX)(「Sinワールド」の発動シーン。曲はヘルカイザーが覚醒したときなどに使われた未収録 曲)
「遊星バトル」(遊星のターン　遊星が「ジャンク・ガードナー」をシンクロ召喚したシーン)
「恐怖と破壊」(パラドックスの2ターン目 「Sinサイバー・エンド・ドラゴン」と「Sinレインボードラゴン」が襲いかかるシーン)
「十代のテーマ」(十代のターン　「E・HERO　ネオス・ナイト」を融合召喚したシーン)
「光と闇」(パラドックスの反撃　Sin　パラドックスドラゴンをシンクロ召喚したシーン)
「熱き決闘者たち(GX ver.)」(遊戯のターン　「ブラック・マジシャン」と「ブラック・マジシャン・ガール」を召喚したシー ン)
新規BGM5(パラドックスが「奥の手のモンスター」を召喚したシーン~3人が追い込まれるシ ーン)
未収録曲(5D's)(十代と遊戯が遊星を励ますシーン。曲自体は>>603のリストの「ライディングデュ エル」)
「遊星テーマ」(遊星がパラドックスにとどめをさすシーン)
「希望」(3人が再会を誓うラスト)

There were 5 new BGMs in the movie.

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Yeh thats what I mean. My friend who is a Doctor of Philosophy wrote a paper reflecting on this called "Time Brick theory". I'll try dig it out and summarize some points later as it would make some excellent points for debate.

That sounds intriguing. I'm looking forward to it.

[Ryusaki]

There were 5 new BGMs in the movie.

Cool, this will hopefully balance out the use of a couple of the less-than-classic BGMs. I'd expect to see the five in a future 5D's Sound Duel 3, likely another double-disc set.

[Makoeyes987]

Wow, that's awesome.

Still doesn't forgive the use of the "My First Casio" rendition of the Passionate Duelists theme, though. Christ, would it have killed them just to have used the original version from the first anime? Don't they have it on disc somewhere? XD

[Arynis]

Wow, that's awesome.

Still doesn't forgive the use of the "My First Casio" rendition of the Passionate Duelists theme, though. Christ, would it have killed them just to have used the original version from the first anime? Don't they have it on disc somewhere? XD

XD And to make things better, that song is played twice during the movie.

I translated the 2CH post, it's not 100% accurate:

EDIT: There were corrections posted in the 2CH thread. NEW BGM 3 and 4 are both from GX Sound Duel 2, Wicked Spirit and Cute Spirits respectively. Agonizing Heart → A Supressed Thought

New BGM1 -- Start of Judai's scene
New BGM2 -- Scene with Stardust Dragon's stealing
Dragon -- Stardust's rampage scene
Catharsis -- The ability of the Dragon's Birthmarks activate ~ Judai's pinch situation and fall
A Supressed Thought -- Judai's self introduction
Wicked Spirit -- Scene with Neos' card art vanishing
Cute Spirits -- Duel tournament of the true children of the neighborhood [Domino City, I guess?]
The Big Quake -- The scene of the building collapsing on Pegasus
Strategy Conference -- The scene of the three protagonists deciding to bring Paradox down
Showdown -- The scene of Paradox appearing before the three protagonists
Rage -- The reaction of the three protagonists' to Paradox's goal
Passionate Duelists (GX ver.) -- Atem's awakening ~ The scene of the three protagonists setting up their Duel Disks

Non-Sound Duel song (GX) -- Scene of Sin World's activation. (This song was used when Hell Kaiser awakens, etc.)
Yusei Battle -- Yusei's turn. Scene of Yusei Synchro Summoning Junk Gardna
Terror and Destruction -- Paradox's second turn. The scene of Sin Cynber End Dragon and Sin Rainbow Dragon attacking
Judai's Theme -- Judai's turn. E-HERO Neos Knight's Fusion Summon scene
Light and Dark -- Paradox's counterattack. Sin Paradox Dragon's Synchro Summon scene
Passionate Duelists (GX ver.) -- Yugi's turn. Black Magician's and Black Magician Girl's Summon scene
New BGM5 -- Summon of Paradox's Trump Monster ~ Three protagonists cornered
Non-Sound Duel song (5D's) -- Yugi and Judai encourage Yusei. (This is the song from the start of the Yusei vs Ghost duel. [Called Accel Synchro on our Missing BGM Songs list])
Yusei's Theme -- The scene of Yusei putting an end to Paradox
Hope -- The three protagonists vow to meet again

So Light and Dark is Sin Paradox Dragon's theme actually, and Sin Truth's summon gets its own BGM instead. Passionate Duelists (The ~*~My First Casio Keyboard~*~ version) is Yugi's theme.

[Makoeyes987]

It's like NAS pissed in Atem/Yugi's eye by dumbing down the awesome instrumentals of his theme, and instead dumbed it down to something you'd hear at a 5th Grade recital.

Christ.

But all the other BGM choices are superb. The Duel Monsters one would be great if it were better executed.

[YYugi]

Wheres my passionate duelilsts song? I really miss it.
Why NAS? you put the Gx version two times and forgot about an awesome soundtrack.

Ok, I don't mind the first time, I think it fits well, but Why you didn't put it when it was YUGI's TURN!!??

Cool Junk Gardna pics btw ^^