Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[Lia]

My money is on he's a decendent of Yugi's.

It make sense. His violet hair remids me a lot Atem's hair.

And my money is on he's just the serial cool and dangerous YGO villain.

[Allana]

And my money is on he's just the serial cool and dangerous YGO villain.

My money you're right.

[Arynis]

My money is on that he's just a guy who tries to do the right thing by saving his future, even if his methods can be perceived as "bad". XD

Depending on how he's connected to the series, we'll learn how the world got destroyed in the future, or if Paradox was a creation of some experiment (hah) how he came into existence. Or Yusei and co. will encounter him before he got into the future/after he departed from the future but before he encountered Yusei on the Highway/etc.

I was thinking, didn't people say how Ultimate Psychiker could be Divine's monster? With people saying how Paradox might be a Psychic Duelist, Psychiker could be his pre-Sin Deck's ace monster. It even looks like Sin Paradox Dragon a little.



Now, you'd ask why a demon would become a dragon... but in alchemy, here's this bit I found regarding demons:

In alchemy, when working with (symbolic) metals, lead is used as initial material. The alchemists say that in lead there is a demon that can cause insanity. Lead as a metal is under the rulership of Saturn, the god of melancholy, who causes ailments and devilish visions.

Insanity. Now... where have we heard that before?

Interesting note: the original definition if insanity is repeating the same action over and over agin while expecting different results. Coincidentally, that is also the Scientific Method.

Alternately, look at Jung's description of the Shadow Archetype, as well as how Alchemy sees the Dragon:

The shadow

Sex and the life instincts in general are, of course, represented somewhere in Jung's system. They are a part of an archetype called the shadow. It derives from our prehuman, animal past, when our concerns were limited to survival and reproduction, and when we weren't self-conscious.

It is the "dark side" of the ego, and the evil that we are capable of is often stored there. Actually, the shadow is amoral -- neither good nor bad, just like animals. An animal is capable of tender care for its young and vicious killing for food, but it doesn't choose to do either. It just does what it does. It is "innocent." But from our human perspective, the animal world looks rather brutal, inhuman, so the shadow becomes something of a garbage can for the parts of ourselves that we can't quite admit to.

Symbols of the shadow include the snake (as in the garden of Eden), the dragon, monsters, and demons. It often guards the entrance to a cave or a pool of water, which is the collective unconscious.

In alchemy the dragon corresponds closely with what Carl Gustav Jung called the Shadow. The Shadow is the name for a collection of characteristics and impulses which could be conscious, but which are denied. At the same time we recognize and see them in other people. Some examples of the Shadow are: egotism, laziness, intrigues, unreal fantasies, indifference, or being obsessed by money and possessions. The Shadow is the inferior being in us that desires what we do not allow ourselves because it is uncivilized, because it is incompatible with society’s rules and with the image of our ideal personality. It is all that what we are ashamed of.

The dragon always resides in caves, and thus in the earth, the underworld, and the unconscious. When the dragon leaves his cave he devours virgins. It is our inner emotional dragon that destroys our virgin consciousness, as when he appears in the conscious, expressing negativity, like envy, jealousy, hate and so on.

The dragon is never satisfied. He ever wants more treasures, more virgins. Is this not a true image of common man? Consciousness and alertness are enchanted by the dragon. The mythological dragon has the power to enchant, to hypnotize with his voice the brave knight who dared to challenge him. The dragon can also impose riddles in which the knight gets lost.

Both the Dragon and the Demon are connected by Jung's Shadow Archetype.

Sources:

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/jung.html
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseof...htm#The Dragon

[remaner]

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The dragon is never satisfied. He ever wants more treasures, more virgins.

*hides*

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Still, during the end of the DS arc, the ratings were mediocre at best, like around a 3.0 Japanese ratings. But that has nothing to do with the movie.

No, GX 4 does not have to be shown for understanding to be given (GX 4 kinda stunk anyway)

I never said it did; I meant the plot got going again when the WRGP was reached. and Season 4 of GX had something going for it that everything could really benefit from: Brevity. No Duel in Season 2 was more than 2 Episodes (although one could ask for a longer Yugi-Judai duel).

My money is on that he's just a guy who tries to do the right thing by saving his future, even if his methods can be perceived as "bad". XD

Depending on how he's connected to the series, we'll learn how the world got destroyed in the future, or if Paradox was a creation of some experiment (hah) how he came into existence. Or Yusei and co. will encounter him before he got into the future/after he departed from the future but before he encountered Yusei on the Highway/etc.

I was thinking, didn't people say how Ultimate Psychiker could be Divine's monster? With people saying how Paradox might be a Psychic Duelist, Psychiker could be his pre-Sin Deck's ace monster. It even looks like Sin Paradox Dragon a little.



Now, you'd ask why a demon would become a dragon... but in alchemy, here's this bit I found regarding demons:

In alchemy, when working with (symbolic) metals, lead is used as initial material. The alchemists say that in lead there is a demon that can cause insanity. Lead as a metal is under the rulership of Saturn, the god of melancholy, who causes ailments and devilish visions.

Insanity. Now... where have we heard that before?

Interesting note: the original definition if insanity is repeating the same action over and over agin while expecting different results. Coincidentally, that is also the Scientific Method.

Alternately, look at Jung's description of the Shadow Archetype, as well as how Alchemy sees the Dragon:

The shadow

Sex and the life instincts in general are, of course, represented somewhere in Jung's system. They are a part of an archetype called the shadow. It derives from our prehuman, animal past, when our concerns were limited to survival and reproduction, and when we weren't self-conscious.

It is the "dark side" of the ego, and the evil that we are capable of is often stored there. Actually, the shadow is amoral -- neither good nor bad, just like animals. An animal is capable of tender care for its young and vicious killing for food, but it doesn't choose to do either. It just does what it does. It is "innocent." But from our human perspective, the animal world looks rather brutal, inhuman, so the shadow becomes something of a garbage can for the parts of ourselves that we can't quite admit to.

Symbols of the shadow include the snake (as in the garden of Eden), the dragon, monsters, and demons. It often guards the entrance to a cave or a pool of water, which is the collective unconscious.

In alchemy the dragon corresponds closely with what Carl Gustav Jung called the Shadow. The Shadow is the name for a collection of characteristics and impulses which could be conscious, but which are denied. At the same time we recognize and see them in other people. Some examples of the Shadow are: egotism, laziness, intrigues, unreal fantasies, indifference, or being obsessed by money and possessions. The Shadow is the inferior being in us that desires what we do not allow ourselves because it is uncivilized, because it is incompatible with society’s rules and with the image of our ideal personality. It is all that what we are ashamed of.

The dragon always resides in caves, and thus in the earth, the underworld, and the unconscious. When the dragon leaves his cave he devours virgins. It is our inner emotional dragon that destroys our virgin consciousness, as when he appears in the conscious, expressing negativity, like envy, jealousy, hate and so on.

The dragon is never satisfied. He ever wants more treasures, more virgins. Is this not a true image of common man? Consciousness and alertness are enchanted by the dragon. The mythological dragon has the power to enchant, to hypnotize with his voice the brave knight who dared to challenge him. The dragon can also impose riddles in which the knight gets lost.

Both the Dragon and the Demon are connected by Jung's Shadow Archetype.

Sources:

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/jung.html
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy%201.htm#The Dragon

There's certainly logic in that. Both monsters are Extra Deck Monsters, Level 10, evil-looking, with powerful effects. With Divine dead, it only makes sense somebody else with powers would have it, since the Movement disbanded.

You know, looking at Paradox, I almost think that his appearance speaks to Mercury Poisoning. Symptoms include altered hair and eye colour, altered hair growth, and altered mental status. I've been trying to diagnose Paradox for some time, and recently I developed this theory when I looked up inspiration for the Alice in Wonderland character the Mad Hatter. Mercury Poisoning was common in those days from treating pelts with mercury; as for Paradox, he would have been exposed to all sorts of chemicals from his dead world, time travekl and his technology, and could easily have picked up toxic levels of mercury.

[Allana]

My money is on that he's just a guy who tries to do the right thing by saving his future, even if his methods can be perceived as "bad". XD

Depending on how he's connected to the series, we'll learn how the world got destroyed in the future, or if Paradox was a creation of some experiment (hah) how he came into existence. Or Yusei and co. will encounter him before he got into the future/after he departed from the future but before he encountered Yusei on the Highway/etc.

I was thinking, didn't people say how Ultimate Psychiker could be Divine's monster? With people saying how Paradox might be a Psychic Duelist, Psychiker could be his pre-Sin Deck's ace monster. It even looks like Sin Paradox Dragon a little.



Now, you'd ask why a demon would become a dragon... but in alchemy, here's this bit I found regarding demons:



Insanity. Now... where have we heard that before?



Alternately, look at Jung's description of the Shadow Archetype, as well as how Alchemy sees the Dragon:





Both the Dragon and the Demon are connected by Jung's Shadow Archetype.

Sources:

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/jung.html
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseof...htm#The Dragon

Very interesting ! I thought this monster would indicates Divine's return. Good observation Arynis !

[Arynis]

I guess I might as well post what I have scanned of the Animation Book so far...

Cover Front
Cover Back
Front
Back
Special Poster Side 2

I ended up with the same problem chrisedomaster did - the poster doesn't fit into the scanner, and I didn't want to completely bend the book for it. Yusei got cut off from the poster (he was very close to the spine of the book), as well as the edges of the poster, which showcase screencaps from the movie. Paradox's side got messed up by a glitch as well. The other side of the poster is nothing special, it's just the pose the protagonists make on the cover, but with a different background.

*hides*

Yes, that's what it was referring to. XD

There's certainly logic in that. Both monsters are Extra Deck Monsters, Level 10, evil-looking, with powerful effects. With Divine dead, it only makes sense somebody else with powers would have it, since the Movement disbanded.

You know, looking at Paradox, I almost think that his appearance speaks to Mercury Poisoning. Symptoms include altered hair and eye colour, altered hair growth, and altered mental status. I've been trying to diagnose Paradox for some time, and recently I developed this theory when I looked up inspiration for the Alice in Wonderland character the Mad Hatter. Mercury Poisoning was common in those days from treating pelts with mercury; as for Paradox, he would have been exposed to all sorts of chemicals from his dead world, time travekl and his technology, and could easily have picked up toxic levels of mercury.

I looked up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, and Paradox doesn't seem to strike me as someone who would have been poisoned with mercury. I won't deny the possibility of Paradox being affected by chemicals from the dead world, however. Also, if Paradox indeed had mercury poisoning (symptom list here), then he would not have been able to take on the protagonists at all.

It should be noted that in YGO, if someone is ill, their illness is vague. The only people who suffered of an illness usually died as well, such as Cyndia from DM or Claire from 5D's. The rest were dub additions, I believe. (Like Cobra's kid in GX, in the dub, he died of an illness, but in the original he was hit by a bus/truck, I don't remember.) I think Shizuka was also mentioned to have an illness, but she was just going blind, which was eventually cured as well.

Very interesting ! I thought this monster would indicates Divine's return. Good observation Arynis !

Well, we have yet to see who the card will belong to. For all we know, it might not even appear in the anime at all. XD

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I looked up the symptoms of mercury poisoning, and Paradox doesn't seem to strike me as someone who would have been poisoned with mercury. I won't deny the possibility of Paradox being affected by chemicals from the dead world, however. Also, if Paradox indeed had mercury poisoning (symptom list here), then he would not have been able to take on the protagonists at all.

It should be noted that in YGO, if someone is ill, their illness is vague. The only people who suffered of an illness usually died as well, such as Cyndia from DM or Claire from 5D's. The rest were dub additions, I believe. (Like Cobra's kid in GX, in the dub, he died of an illness, but in the original he was hit by a bus/truck, I don't remember.) I think Shizuka was also mentioned to have an illness, but she was just going blind, which was eventually cured as well.

I was a little but erroneous when I said "poisoning" - exposure to mercury would be better, as clearly he hasn't absorbed toxic levels of whatever he has been exposed to, but he's clearly been exposed to something. It would explain not only his strange mentality (believing that sacrificing your body is a good idea is just a little bit insane), but also his strange hair growth (his thick, matted hair, purple sections and odd eyebrow).

Alternatively, the idea of exposure to chemicals could in fact explain why he sacrificed himself - if his body was so badly altered by chemicals, he may have felt it was best to get a way out. What better way to escape the limitations of a mortal body than getting rid of it? But, it's still conjecture.

Also, on diseases, you can't discount Hell Kaiser's heart condition, which he "died" of.

[Makoeyes987]

Paradox's crazy look is because he's from "The Future." We just can't possibly conceive or imagine how fashion has changed so far into the future. XD

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Paradox's crazy look is because he's from "The Future." We just can't possibly conceive or imagine how fashion has changed so far into the future. XD

That can explain his clothes and partly his hair, but not the fact that his eyebrow is growing in a way that is impossible for humans.

[63cohen]

Paradox's crazy look is because he's from "The Future." We just can't possibly conceive or imagine how fashion has changed so far into the future. XD

Ummm, isn't the world in ruins at the time Parodox lives? There really IS NO FASHION

[Arynis]

Paradox's crazy look is because he's from "The Future." We just can't possibly conceive or imagine how fashion has changed so far into the future. XD

I LOL'd. XD Because weird eyebrows are totally THE thing in the future! As well as chest spikes and huge and slender motorbikes. :V Totally compensating...

I'm sorry. I'll stop now. XD

I was a little but erroneous when I said "poisoning" - exposure to mercury would be better, as clearly he hasn't absorbed toxic levels of whatever he has been exposed to, but he's clearly been exposed to something. It would explain not only his strange mentality (believing that sacrificing your body is a good idea is just a little bit insane), but also his strange hair growth (his thick, matted hair, purple sections and odd eyebrow).

Alternatively, the idea of exposure to chemicals could in fact explain why he sacrificed himself - if his body was so badly altered by chemicals, he may have felt it was best to get a way out. What better way to escape the limitations of a mortal body than getting rid of it? But, it's still conjecture.

Also, on diseases, you can't discount Hell Kaiser's heart condition, which he "died" of.

To be fair, Tamura did mention that Paradox did carry grief on his shoulders. Witnessing the destruction of the world is not something one would get over too easily... and we've seen what grief can do to an individual in the YGOverse. (Pegasus is the poster boy example!) I believe Paradox did indeed witness the destruction, because he knew it was Duel Monsters that destroyed the world. Even if he somehow avoided getting involved in the event, he could have still found a log of the event (like Crono and co. finding a report about the Day of Lavos in the ruined future), or just the sight of the lifeless world may well as have broken him. Yugi was pretty upset over the ruined Domino City, and he still seemed out of it after the Crimson Dragon brought him back in time. Size that event to a worldwide catastrophe. Ouch.

His hair could look like from the way it does from living in solitude. He may not have been able to keep himself in top condition, after all. (Although his hair still has highlights if you look at the movie clips.) You got me on the eyebrow though, but in a meta sense, this is a series with people with utterly bizarre hair-dos which would also make you claim "how is that possible?". What's not to say it's not impossible? Here was this dude in GX, too:



(Thanks to Rem for the screencap.)

As for the fusion, Marik fused with Ra. Then again, that was Marik's violent, unstable split personality. Frantz fused with Ra, albeit he knew how to exploit the God Card's bounds. Yubel fused with his/her third form, but that was technically him/herself, so it doesn't count. And let's not forget how people get into duels while knowing they might get physically injured.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

To be fair, Tamura did mention that Paradox did carry grief on his shoulders. Witnessing the destruction of the world is not something one would get over too easily... and we've seen what grief can do to an individual in the YGOverse. (Pegasus is the poster boy example!) I believe Paradox did indeed witness the destruction, because he knew it was Duel Monsters that destroyed the world. Even if he somehow avoided getting involved in the event, he could have still found a log of the event (like Crono and co. finding a report about the Day of Lavos in the ruined future), or just the sight of the lifeless world may well as have broken him. Yugi was pretty upset over the ruined Domino City, and he still seemed out of it after the Crimson Dragon brought him back in time. Size that event to a worldwide catastrophe. Ouch.

His hair could look like from the way it does from living in solitude. He may not have been able to keep himself in top condition, after all. (Although his hair still has highlights if you look at the movie clips.) You got me on the eyebrow though, but in a meta sense, this is a series with people with utterly bizarre hair-dos which would also make you claim "how is that possible?". What's not to say it's not impossible? Here was this dude in GX, too:



(Thanks to Rem for the screencap.)

As for the fusion, Marik fused with Ra. Then again, that was Marik's violent, unstable split personality. Frantz fused with Ra, albeit he knew how to exploit the God Card's bounds. Yubel fused with his/her third form, but that was technically him/herself, so it doesn't count. And let's not forget how people get into duels while knowing they might get physically injured.

His eyeborws look freaky, but they don't circle his eye socket like Paradox's right one does. Besides, Paradox's eyebrows differ, and if it were a style they'd likely be the same. Which I doubt; Paradox doesn't seem a fashion guru.

You're probably right about Paradox suffering from clinical depression or PTSD from the event, but that doesn't explain why when he fuses with Sin Truth his face twists like Marik's. That's a symptom of a mental disorder other than depression, one that would also cause aggression (it's one thing to want to destroy Duel Monsters, another to destroy a city because you want to kill one guy who's not a threat to you if you destroy Duel Monsters). A man as logical as Paradox wouldn't do that unless something was causing him to be aggressive, so I'm still thinking some kind of chemical/heavy metal exposure.

And it's not so much the Fusion as sacrificing his body to do so. Marik and Frantz were obviously able to undo their Fusions; sacrificing your body is very permanent. Alphonse Elric will tell you that bodies are in short supply; he's right.

[Arynis]

His eyeborws look freaky, but they don't circle his eye socket like Paradox's right one does. Besides, Paradox's eyebrows differ, and if it were a style they'd likely be the same. Which I doubt; Paradox doesn't seem a fashion guru.

Maybe it could be some kind of a modification as well? Look at Yusei's mark for instance, although I'm not saying that Paradox's eyebrow is necessarily a mark. Or actually, just look at Yubel. (Although she/he is a Duel Monster, her/his past self did get transformed into that human/dragon creature.)

Or Paradox really wanted to look cool and failed at making himself look cool. XD Or Kagami just wanted to make him look like a snowflake and confuse the hell out of us at the same time.

You're probably right about Paradox suffering from clinical depression or PTSD from the event, but that doesn't explain why when he fuses with Sin Truth his face twists like Marik's. That's a symptom of a mental disorder other than depression, one that would also cause aggression (it's one thing to want to destroy Duel Monsters, another to destroy a city because you want to kill one guy who's not a threat to you if you destroy Duel Monsters). A man as logical as Paradox wouldn't do that unless something was causing him to be aggressive, so I'm still thinking some kind of chemical/heavy metal exposure.

Well, you do need to take into consideration that Paradox was pushed into the corner by getting his ace monster destroyed, and had to use his last resort tactic. Situations like that could easily make the most logical individuals lose their cool, especially when a dear goal is at stake. Most YGO villains go through a breakdown when they are about to lose - they either go insane, pull a crazy combo and push the protagonists back into the corner, or both.

The veins thing... Frantz, Marik and Yubel all had veins as well during their fused state with the monster. Dartz's fusion was... kind of different. Except Dark Marik, the veins weren't constantly apparent on either character's face. Frantz had the veins until he fused with Ra, Yubel didn't gain his/her veins until the very end of the duel, and Paradox seemed to have them until Sin Truth Dragon was fully summoned. (He seemed fine in the other clips.)



I think we can say that the veins thing is either a homage towards Dark Marik, or fusing with a Duel Monster results in such a visual change. Granted, we had Judai and Yubel fuse, but you could chalk up that to the powers of Super Fusion (maybe?) and perhaps the fact that Yubel is still a humanoid in a sense, it's not like you're fusing right into a dragon. Yubel fusing into his/her third form could be also more acceptable because it's essentially another of his/her forms (the veins could come from the insanity as well).

And it's not so much the Fusion as sacrificing his body to do so. Marik and Frantz were obviously able to undo their Fusions; sacrificing your body is very permanent. Alphonse Elric will tell you that bodies are in short supply; he's right.

Dark Marik and Frantz fused with an incredibly powerful God, an entity which would kill any of its users who is not chosen to wield the God Cards. Dartz also fused with a God. Sin Truth Dragon could be an incredibly powerful monster requiring a sacrifice to be summoned, or require a lot of (life) energy to make it materialize. Look at the Earthbound Gods, which absorbed human souls when they were summoned. (They also possessed their respective Dark Signer.)

Unlike the other duelists, Paradox was the only one to be in pain during the summon sequences. I thought his body was sacrificed during the summon sequence, but fusing with Sin Truth may have been the way of sacrificing himself. As for the reversibility of the process, I think it's ambiguous - it's clear that Marik and Frantz both merged with Ra, but their fusion was reversible. (Remember, they also paid LP for this.) Paradox's may or may not have been, but that will remain a mystery forever.

In a meta viewpoint, you do need to keep in mind that Paradox was meant to be "the most powerful opponent". To live up to the hype, Paradox had to be made over-the-top, something that would amaze the audience rather than go "Yawn, another villain..." . And seeing how the writers are still setting him up for 5D's, he had to be written out of the story somehow for now - making his D-Wheel get destroyed and making him vanish with his trump monster was convenient in this sense. If he survived, it would result in a "What happens now?" situation (the protags wouldn't have let him go, for one), allying with the protagonists may have been a bad move at this point (and possibly too early, if they ever consider that), and his D-Wheel remaining would have opened up a can of cup ramen worms.

[Nexus]

Episode 103
Kanji: 戦いの果てに得たもの
Romaji: Tatakai no Hate ni Urutamono
Translation: The Winner at the Battle's End / The Winner at the Finish Line
Airdate: 3/31/2010

Summaries on 103:
At the end of the sublime duel, Yusei manages to defeat Team Unicorn and obtains the first round victory for Team 5D's. However, the shadow of a new enemy has begun loom in front of them, once more...

Outline:
Yusei defeats Jean in a blazing hot duel, and obtains the 1st Round Victory for Team 5D's. After pledging to fight one another again in the future, Yusei and co. and Jean and co. go their separate ways, and a victory party is held at the Garage. Sherry then appears, asking what the real purpose of the WRGP is. And what was the true identity of the enemy that Yusei and his friends have previously encountered...?



Possibly Paradox?

[Lia]

Episode 103
Outline:
Yusei defeats Jean in a blazing hot duel, and obtains the 1st Round Victory for Team 5D's. After pledging to fight one another again in the future, Yusei and co. and Jean and co. go their separate ways, and a victory party is held at the Garage. Sherry then appears, asking what the real purpose of the WRGP is. And what was the true identity of the enemy that Yusei and his friends have previously encountered...?


Possibly Paradox?

Hm......I doubt that Paradox will appear so early, but who knows......you must always expect the unexpected in the YGO series. It'll be very nice if Paradox appears and his identity is finally revealed.

[Quitus]

Probablly are the guys wth machine emperor wisei, the anti syncrho guys hat have funny names?...

[J_BYYX]

Episode 103
Kanji: 戦いの果てに得たもの
Romaji: Tatakai no Hate ni Urutamono
Translation: The Winner at the Battle's End / The Winner at the Finish Line
Airdate: 3/31/2010

Summaries on 103:
At the end of the sublime duel, Yusei manages to defeat Team Unicorn and obtains the first round victory for Team 5D's. However, the shadow of a new enemy has begun loom in front of them, once more...

Outline:
Yusei defeats Jean in a blazing hot duel, and obtains the 1st Round Victory for Team 5D's. After pledging to fight one another again in the future, Yusei and co. and Jean and co. go their separate ways, and a victory party is held at the Garage. Sherry then appears, asking what the real purpose of the WRGP is. And what was the true identity of the enemy that Yusei and his friends have previously encountered...?



Possibly Paradox?

Hmm.. that says "enemy", why not "enemies"?
Still, it's too early for Paradox's appearance in 5D's...

[Arynis]

Actually, I did think of Paradox at first, then LeArk made a few statements about his translation.

Personally, when I was writing up translations, I was thinking more of the three Opera jerks with the super tall thrones, and this is an introduction that they "exist", as all the previous encounters with the Tenors have been obfuscated or by a 3rd party working for them (Jackbot, Ghost, Timebomb Robbie).

I would hope Paradox does come in at some point, though, Arynis.

I was personally using enemy in the sense of a collective-singular plurality, like one could consider an army in a video game or a warmongering nation as "The enemy".

To be fair, I think he's right. The Tenors are unknown to Yusei and co but are known to the audience. Besides, the movie is still ongoing in Japan. In fact, it's going to debut in some theaters in Isesaki:

642 :見ろ!名無しがゴミのようだ!:2010/03/25(木) 00:07:22 ID:JGxsm3l/
伊勢崎のスケジュール発表されたぞ

3/27~4/2
　10:00~
　11:20~
　12:40~

午後は無いんだな…

On a second thought, even if getting Paradox tied into the plot next week would be sweet, I doubt they would introduce him while the movie is still running. They'd want the maximum amount of people to understand what is going on were Paradox to make an appearance, after all.

[Allana]

Actually, I did think Paradox at first, then LeArk made a few statements about his translation.





To be fair, I think he's right. The Tenors are unknown to Yusei and co but are known to the audience. Besides, the movie is still ongoing in Japan. In fact, it's going to debut in some theaters in Isesaki:

642 :見ろ!名無しがゴミのようだ!:2010/03/25(木) 00:07:22 ID:JGxsm3l/
伊勢崎のスケジュール発表されたぞ

3/27~4/2
　10:00~
　11:20~
　12:40~

午後は無いんだな…

On a second thought, even if getting Paradox tied into the plot next week would be sweet, I doubt they would introduce him while the movie is still running. They'd want the maximum amount of people to understand what is going on were Paradox to make an appearance, after all.

It make sense. Particularly If the movie start in to running in Isesaki. Nevertheless, scripters are able of all for suprise us...

[Nexus]

I personally think that one episode isn't enough to introduce Pardox true Identity, it should be more like 2-3 episodes....

and btw, I don't think that the Tenor trio is behind the Paradox thing, cause it seems that he is more powerful than anyone of the Tenor trio.....

P.S: Sorry for my bad english

[Arynis]

I personally think that one episode isn't enough to introduce Pardox true Identity, it should be more like 2-3 episodes....

and btw, I don't think that the Tenor trio is behind the Paradox thing, cause it seems that he is more powerful than anyone of the Tenor trio.....

P.S: Sorry for my bad english

That's true. For such an important and hyped character, summing his story up in 5 minutes would be rather lame.

We can't be certain about that. The Tenor Trio showed a fair amount of special abilities: memory alteration, matter alteration, bringing a robot to life, cutting through the dimension, card copying, making duelists suffer real damage while dueling against them.

Compared to that, the only special abilities Paradox has was time travel (via D-Wheel), Duel Monster sealing, transforming monsters into their Sin forms (according to V-Jump) and if you believe him to be a Psychic Duelist, then monster materialization as well.

Paradox can't be tied to Illiaster because he would have knowledge of the organization, thus he would be able to deduce if they were tied to the world's destruction. However, Illiaster could have brainwashed him, altered his memories, or they remained sufficiently in the background thus Paradox wasn't able to gain enough information about them.

Also, a little gift for everyone from the 10th Anniversary Book:

The Interview with Kazuki Takahashi (3366 x 5959 - HQ JPG)

Just in case anyone is up for translating it or whatever. (I scanned it for someone else, but I put it up here for sharing.) The scan isn't perfect, the part near the spine got cut off, as I wanted to avoid bending the book. It's just the title and part of the picture caption, hopefully that is not a great loss.

There is a glitch in the scan itself as well, but the hiragana at that part should be still readable.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

That's true. For such an important and hyped character, summing his story up in 5 minutes would be rather lame.

We can't be certain about that. The Tenor Trio showed a fair amount of special abilities: memory alteration, matter alteration, bringing a robot to life, cutting through the dimension, card copying, making duelists suffer real damage while dueling against them.

Compared to that, the only special abilities Paradox has was time travel (via D-Wheel), Duel Monster sealing, transforming monsters into their Sin forms (according to V-Jump) and if you believe him to be a Psychic Duelist, then monster materialization as well.

Paradox can't be tied to Illiaster because he would have knowledge of the organization, thus he would be able to deduce if they were tied to the world's destruction. However, Illiaster could have brainwashed him, altered his memories, or they remained sufficiently in the background thus Paradox wasn't able to gain enough information about them.

Also, a little gift for everyone from the 10th Anniversary Book:

The Interview with Kazuki Takahashi (3366 x 5959 - HQ JPG)

Just in case anyone is up for translating it or whatever. (I scanned it for someone else, but I put it up here for sharing.) The scan isn't perfect, the part near the spine got cut off, as I wanted to avoid bending the book. It's just the title and part of the picture caption, hopefully that is not a great loss.

There is a glitch in the scan itself as well, but the hiragana at that part should be still readable.

The reality warping doesn't need you to be a Psychic Duelist - ask Yubel or Yubel-infused Judai.

[Arynis]

The reality warping doesn't need you to be a Psychic Duelist - ask Yubel or Yubel-infused Judai.

Maybe. But Judai and Yubel were the only ones to materialize monsters. I can't really say too much on Yubel herself because I haven't seen the Dimension World arc, only the Darkness arc. Season 4!Judai is Judai with Power of Gentle Darkness + Yubel's powers. He can do it because Yubel is in him.

We have seen several Duelists being able to inflict real pain on the opponent via dueling, but the only ones capable of materializing monsters were Season 4!Judai, Aki and Divine (and possibly other Psychic Duelists we have yet to see... or not). Unless in Paradox's case it wasn't caused by Psychic powers or anything, but the Solid Vision system in his Duel Disk. After all, he is from the distant future, the technology could be easily so advanced that Solid Vision monsters under normal circumstances are indeed "real".

[Makoeyes987]

Any character that has a Millennium Item, Shadow Item (ala the Shadow Riders), the Light of Destruction, or basically any crazy occult power can materialize monsters. XD

[Allana]

Thanks for the scans Arynis ! I wonder me what Takahashi had said.

Paradox seems me a man who acts by himself, in solitary. I don't think he is link to Yliaster.

[Arynis]

Any character that has a Millennium Item, Shadow Item (ala the Shadow Riders), the Light of Destruction, or basically any crazy occult power can materialize monsters. XD

Nnngh...

Can't say much about the Shadow Items or the Light of Destruction because I haven't seen much of GX, but you're right about the Millennium Items part. Don't the Item wielders materialize monsters mostly during a Game of Darkness only? (Although Bakura materialized a few cards during the Yugi vs Pegasus duel in the anime.) And that would bring up another dose of Fridge Logic - if (all) Millennium Item wielders can materialize monsters, then why didn't Pegasus just use his Eye to make his Cyndia card real rather than taking over KC? :V Unless only certain Items are capable of it and only under certain conditions. (Eg. the Eye showed Pegasus the vision of Cyndia only after he got the Eye.)

(I'm knowledgeable only on Pegasus... ;A; )

PS: Your post inspired me to do this:

Spoiler: I'm sorry XD

Allana: A friend of mine is working on the scans now, hopefully she'll be able to make a summary of it.

[Lia]

Also, a little gift for everyone from the 10th Anniversary Book:

The Interview with Kazuki Takahashi (3366 x 5959 - HQ JPG)

Hm.......another Takahashi Interview.....well, I really do hope that he'll reveal some extra interesting info here.

[tori_yugio4ever]

[FONT="Tahoma"]Nnngh...

Can't say much about the Shadow Items or the Light of Destruction because I haven't seen much of GX, but you're right about the Millennium Items part. Don't the Item wielders materialize monsters mostly during a Game of Darkness only? (Although Bakura materialized a few cards during the Yugi vs Pegasus duel in the anime.) And that would bring up another dose of Fridge Logic - if (all) Millennium Item wielders can materialize monsters, then why didn't Pegasus just use his Eye to make his Cyndia card real rather than taking over KC? :V Unless only certain Items are capable of it and only under certain conditions. (Eg. the Eye showed Pegasus the vision of Cyndia only after he got the Eye.)

Even if he did materialize Cyndia, it wouldn't be the same. She still be like a ghost, or maybe the Mill. Eye isn't able to fully bring a dead person soul back, even if it's within a card. Like in Fullmetal Alchemist, how bringing back humans using magic, alchemy or whatever simiply doesn't work out, or you get a temporary effect. This is just my opinion though...

[Arynis]

Hm.......another Takahashi Interview.....well, I really do hope that he'll reveal some extra interesting info here.

This is the interview in which he says something along the lines of "Yugioh is getting started", although both people I asked had problems with the original phrase ("YGO hajimari ni sugimasen").

Even if he did materialize Cyndia, it wouldn't be the same. She still be like a ghost, or maybe the Mill. Eye isn't able to fully bring a dead person soul back, even if it's within a card. Like in Fullmetal Alchemist, how bringing back humans using magic, alchemy or whatever simiply doesn't work out, or you get a temporary effect. This is just my opinion though...

Solid Vision wouldn't be too different, either. In the original anime and manga, he only needed KC's technology to "bring [the Cyndia card] to life". The "Millennium Items + KC's technology" is the dub version. He may have been just like Faust VIII from Shaman King, "Even if it's just her appearance, I wanted to be with Eliza." He may have been also very similar to Kaiba, who developed the Duel Box because of the visions Yugi's Penalty Game gave to him, while Pegasus wanted to recreate the vision he saw when he received the Millennium Eye.

[Lia]

This is the interview in which he says something along the lines of "Yugioh is getting started", although both people I asked had problems with the original phrase ("YGO hajimari ni sugimasen").

Well, I guess this already means that something BIG is coming. xD I'll wait and see what he'll tell us before making conclusions though.

[tori_yugio4ever]

Solid Vision wouldn't be too different, either. In the original anime and manga, he only needed KC's technology to "bring [the Cyndia card] to life". The "Millennium Items + KC's technology" is the dub version. He may have been just like Faust VIII from Shaman King, "Even if it's just her appearance, I wanted to be with Eliza." He may have been also very similar to Kaiba, who developed the Duel Box because of the visions Yugi's Penalty Game gave to him, while Pegasus wanted to recreate the vision he saw when he received the Millennium Eye.[/FONT]

True, and I had totally forgot what made Kaiba start making Duel Boxes in the first place... I guess if Pegasas only wanted to see her then that would be a to do it. But I never understood exactly why he needed all the Mill. Items to make that become a reality.

[Prismamaster]

Got a question.Can aki materialize monsters like jaden?

[tori_yugio4ever]

Got a question.Can aki materialize monsters like jaden?

It seems similar to me. Altough Judai didn't do that until he was in his teens, unlike Aki whose done it since childhood.

[Arynis]

True, and I had totally forgot what made Kaiba start making Duel Boxes in the first place... I guess if Pegasas only wanted to see her then that would be a to do it. But I never understood exactly why he needed all the Mill. Items to make that become a reality.

As I said, the Millennium Item addition was the dub only. Now, Pegasus isn't really a downright evil villain, he's pretty much Tragic/Anti Villain. But this being the dub, they had to come up with something to make him look more evil. So they had Pegasus go for Yugi's Millennium Puzzle, probably to make him look like he has something against Yugi. (Which he didn't, Yugi was more of an obstacle than someone he had a grudge against.) I recall Sugoroku thinking in the dub that Pegasus wanted to destroy the world, lol.

Got a question.Can aki materialize monsters like jaden?

She can, but the source of their powers is different. Judai can do it because of Yubel's powers (who is fused into him), while Aki is a Psychic Duelist, and those powers make her able to do so.

[tori_yugio4ever]

As I said, the Millennium Item addition was the dub only. Now, Pegasus isn't really a downright evil villain, he's pretty much Tragic/Anti Villain. But this being the dub, they had to come up with something to make him look more evil. So they had Pegasus go for Yugi's Millennium Puzzle, probably to make him look like he has something against Yugi. (Which he didn't, Yugi was more of an obstacle than someone he had a grudge against.) I recall Sugoroku thinking in the dub that Pegasus wanted to destroy the world, lol.

Well, I didn't finish watching the japanese version because its so hard to find season 1 episodes with good subtitles. But you told me something a didn't realize was 4kids doing, so thanks for telling me.

[Arynis]

Well, I didn't finish watching the japanese version because its so hard to find season 1 episodes with good subtitles. But you told me something a didn't realize was 4kids doing, so thanks for telling me.

The Download forum has the subbed episodes of the DK arc. You are halfway there of getting in! ^^

I recall Marik's motive being overblown as well, in the dub he wanted to destroy the world while in the original he only wanted to kill Dark Yugi. I don't know about Dartz or the other villains, though. You might be better off with asking someone more familar with both the original and the dub anime than me. XD

[tori_yugio4ever]

The Download forum has the subbed episodes of the DK arc. You are halfway there of getting in! ^^

I recall Marik's motive being overblown as well, in the dub he wanted to destroy the world while in the original he only wanted to kill Dark Yugi. I don't know about Dartz or the other villains, though. You might be better off with asking someone more familar with both the original and the dub anime than me. XD

Yeah, I read that in the manga, I don't know why 4kids decide to blow that out of proportion...they'll probably do that to the YGO 10th Anniversary movie too. And I haven't watch Doma in completely in japanese either, first half dub and second half subbed. But thanks for telling me about the Download forum, I really appreciate it. ^_^

[Allana]

Nnngh...

Can't say much about the Shadow Items or the Light of Destruction because I haven't seen much of GX, but you're right about the Millennium Items part. Don't the Item wielders materialize monsters mostly during a Game of Darkness only? (Although Bakura materialized a few cards during the Yugi vs Pegasus duel in the anime.) And that would bring up another dose of Fridge Logic - if (all) Millennium Item wielders can materialize monsters, then why didn't Pegasus just use his Eye to make his Cyndia card real rather than taking over KC? :V Unless only certain Items are capable of it and only under certain conditions. (Eg. the Eye showed Pegasus the vision of Cyndia only after he got the Eye.)

(I'm knowledgeable only on Pegasus... ;A; )

PS: Your post inspired me to do this:

Spoiler: I'm sorry XD

Allana: A friend of mine is working on the scans now, hopefully she'll be able to make a summary of it.

In the manga, Millenium Items creates Game of Darkness and illusions. It's very clear in Pegasus's and Marik cases. Marik is the best example concerning game of Darkness: he creates it with illusions against Mai. She feels really the pain.

The Light of Destruction is different. It's a entity, who take form of white energy who turns people by their worst self. It accentuate something in the person it own. In Yubel's case, It's his feelings for Judai.

Thanks a lot to you and your friend for your work Arynis !

[Arynis]

Yeah, I read that in the manga, I don't know why 4kids decide to blow that out of proportion...they'll probably do that to the YGO 10th Anniversary movie too. And I haven't watch Doma in completely in japanese either, first half dub and second half subbed. But thanks for telling me about the Download forum, I really appreciate it. ^_^

I heard they handled the 5D's Dark Signers arc finale pretty well, though. Maybe someone like Cohenmarioman can help out on this one - I barely watched the dub.

In the manga, Millenium Items creates Game of Darkness and illusions. It's very clear in Pegasus's and Marik cases. Marik is the best example concerning game of Darkness: he creates it with illusions against Mai. She feels really the pain.

The Light of Destruction is different. It's a entity, who take form of white energy who turns people by their worst self. It accentuate something in the person it own. In Yubel's case, It's his feelings for Judai.

Thanks a lot to you and your friend for your work Arynis !

Yeah, they do. But it seems these happen only (if not mostly) during a Game of Darkness only. Whereas Season 4!Judai or a Psychic Duelist can materialize cards anytime.

[UruNov]

A cool thought occured to me. Maybe 4kids would dub the Yugi vs. Jaden duel to set up for the events of the movie, like a combination. That would not only explain it a little bit better, but would make it more movie length, for America that is.

No sense. If theyre going to dub the movie then, they SHOULD DUB the fourth season.
I mean, how are they gonna explain about Judai and Yubel thing? Will they edit Judai�s eyes?
Come On! So many thing that will leave in the air with no explanation!

[Allana]

I heard they handled the 5D's Dark Signers arc finale pretty well, though. Maybe someone like Cohenmarioman can help out on this one - I barely watched the dub.



Yeah, they do. But it seems these happen only (if not mostly) during a Game of Darkness only. Whereas Season 4!Judai or a Psychic Duelist can materialize cards anytime.

I watched the dub entierely and they finished better they had started. It isn't like original version but the finale was really good.

Yes, it happen only in Game of Darkness. Judai and Psychic Duelists are exceptions.

[63cohen]

I heard they handled the 5D's Dark Signers arc finale pretty well, though. Maybe someone like Cohenmarioman can help out on this one - I barely watched the dub.



Yeah, they do. But it seems these happen only (if not mostly) during a Game of Darkness only. Whereas Season 4!Judai or a Psychic Duelist can materialize cards anytime.

I can say the finale was good, but not like the original was good. It was good in a sense that 4kids was doing stuff right for once, especially the last episode, 64, where almost the whole script was kept in tact, minus of course religious references and such.

No sense. If theyre going to dub the movie then, they SHOULD DUB the fourth season.
I mean, how are they gonna explain about Judai and Yubel thing? Will they edit Judai�s eyes?
Come On! So many thing that will leave in the air with no explanation!

No, they really do not. If I remember, they premiered POL before the end of Battle City, so nothing really matters as much. As I said, a simple explanation that he combined with Yubel is all that is needed. It could be made sense of as he could explain it to Yusei.

One reason I think they are dubbing it is due to Parodox's relevence to 5Ds, which I am sure Kahn knows about.

[Makoeyes987]

When Yugi's Dark Magician materialized to face Pandora's Dark Magician, they weren't in a Game of Darkness.

Furthermore, Dark Magician willed himself to be tributed for Ectoplasmer's effect to save Yugi's life, something Yugi did not tell him to do, because he didn't know about the effect to begin with.

And considering Pandora then saw his Dark Magician turn against him when Dark Magician Girl used her power to increase her attack via the Dark Magicians in the graveyard...that too would be another example.

There are several other examples too in the Doma arc, too. They don't just appear during a Game of Darkness.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I can say the finale was good, but not like the original was good. It was good in a sense that 4kids was doing stuff right for once, especially the last episode, 64, where almost the whole script was kept in tact, minus of course religious references and such.

Good. That's much better than what they normally do (proof in the line "I'm about to impress your face.")

No, they really do not. If I remember, they premiered POL before the end of Battle City, so nothing really matters as much. As I said, a simple explanation that he combined with Yubel is all that is needed. It could be made sense of as he could explain it to Yusei.

One reason I think they are dubbing it is due to Parodox's relevance to 5Ds, which I am sure Kahn knows about.

Yeah, except that because of the way they ended the show without dubbing the last episode of season 3, it almost looked like Judai died or that he was never coming back. Now he's in Venice and looks completely different? Also, the dub voice for YUbel sounds too malice to work for a supporting protagonist.

[Prismamaster]

It's been two years since gx finished.Everyone would understand the movie better if they dubbed the fourth season.If they dont, it would be like this.It will be like judai went to the stars with the ghost teacher and the cat and just happens to be in venice.It would be weird.

[63cohen]

It's been two years since gx finished.Everyone would understand the movie better if they dubbed the fourth season.If they dont, it would be like this.It will be like judai went to the stars with the ghost teacher and the cat and just happens to be in venice.It would be weird.

I am not going to repeat myself. If you aren't going to listen, at least say you aren't going to listen.

[Makoeyes987]

You don't have to jump on the guy for having a different opinion, dude. It would be jarring for some at least, to suddenly see Judai again, if they have no clue what happened to him for an entire season. Especially when it looks like he died.

Yeah, in the big scheme of things 4kids could obviously do it, and tack on a quick explanation for Judai's obvious change, but that's not just gonna magically make it all make sense or satisfy everyone's questions. The fact is, is that there's going to be a a whole season of plot and character development a majority of their "target audience" isn't going to know about. It's not going to make the movie incomprehensible, but it will raise a few eyebrows at least.

[GoldenUmi]

4Kids is dubbing it?

Worst news I heard all day.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I am not going to repeat myself. If you aren't going to listen, at least say you aren't going to listen.

Dude, we're not ignoring what you're saying; we're just pissed off at the way this while thing has been handled. They made a bad decision that, while it can be fixed, they seem to refuse to do so. Even dubbing Episode 156 would bring Judai back with his new look, and Season 4 would be a bonus; but they ended the dub on a plot hole.