Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[Sephirex]

It would be funny if Paradox ended up dueling the Brothers Paradox! (Yes I know they're called something else in Japan, but I thought it was funny)

[Makoeyes987]

Wow, so they're gonna address Paradox's origins in the future episodes of 5Ds. That sounds very interesting, and potentially awesome. So the animation book hinted that there was more to this story than we saw in the movie? Gosh, I don't know what to think about that. But there is a lot about Paradox we need to know.

Especially in regards to why defeating him magically fixes the future. If Paradox's meddling in the past is destroying the future...how does defeating him fix that, and leave everyone in Yusei's era remembering him? How is he not the cause of the future's demise, if said meddling results in the very same desolation and destruction he's trying to avoid in his own ear? Especially when he tells Yusei to "perish with this era!"

Whatever event happened in Paradox's future will be very interesting to see, especially in regards to Paradox being the sole survivor and getting into time travel. And I wonder how the protagonists would ever meet again... that would be a bit jarring, I mean time traveling shouldn't be like taking a metro bus to the past or future for kicks.

Everyone seems to think that Darkness of GX is the likely cause, but even if that were the case, that leaves more questions than answers. How would Paradox be able to possibly survive a World of Darkness, since if Darkness returned and got his way...there literally would be no planet at all. There would literally be nothing but a big black planet of nothingness...the dimension of darkness literally consuming the planet itself, like Darkness said he intended to do. We see Paradox existing on a desolate, barren, planet Earth, which even has the sun. In GX, Darkness's world has no sun, no light, period. It's literally just darkness and emptiness, with not a hint of existence. Just blackness. There would literally be nothing of the world remaining. So if Paradox were to exist in such a world, he'd be like the countless other souls that were in Darkness's world and just lost in his own internal sorrow and desire to cease to exist. You can't have a sunset in a world of Darkness. XD

Also, Paradox seems to see this as all one grand cosmic experiment...and he apparently has no qualms about sacrificing eras of the past to further his future according to the dialogue...how the heck would that help save the future from Darkness at all? And how would him using duel monsters, to destroy duel monsters save the future, when using cards for destructive, selfish purposes is what feeds the Darkness? That's so....contradictory. He'd just be carrying the darkness of his own heart and in his cards with him back to the future, and it'd still solve nothing.

He seems to be knowingly causing destruction in the 5Ds and GX era, which would in turn lead to a future of desolation, so how does that lead to a better future, and saving the world from Darkness....doing the things that feed Darkness's desire to consume everything and make everything nothing? Either Paradox has no clue how darkness works (which is unlikely since he apparently knows its connected to the darkness of duelists) or he's just insane, which seems like a bad excuse.

I just don't see how they'd fit a Darkness GX plot in 5Ds's era, and it would raise a lot of questions, especially in regards to how killing Paradox, somehow makes everything better. Because logically speaking, if the cause of the future's destruction was something else, and Paradox had already underwent time travel, re-writing history, how would beating him fix a single thing, especially in the GX and 5Ds era, which were already contaminated with Paradox corrupting the timeline? Again, unless he was the cause of history's demise, him dying would solve nothing. And I would think that if something was connected to the whole DARKNESSU plot, Paradox wouldn't hesitate to say it was all thanks to the darkness of the heart, or any of the info Trueman, Fujiwara, Fuubuki, or Darkness was more than happy to expound upon.

[GoldenUmi]

Wow, so they're gonna address Paradox's origins in the future episodes of 5Ds. That sounds very interesting, and potentially awesome. So the animation book hinted that there was more to this story than we saw in the movie? Gosh, I don't know what to think about that. But there is a lot about Paradox we need to know.

Especially in regards to why defeating him magically fixes the future. If Paradox's meddling in the past is destroying the future...how does defeating him fix that, and leave everyone in Yusei's era remembering him? How is he not the cause of the future's demise, if said meddling results in the very same desolation and destruction he's trying to avoid in his own ear? Especially when he tells Yusei to "perish with this era!"

Whatever event happened in Paradox's future will be very interesting to see, especially in regards to Paradox being the sole survivor and getting into time travel. And I wonder how the protagonists would ever meet again... that would be a bit jarring, I mean time traveling shouldn't be like taking a metro bus to the past or future for kicks.

Everyone seems to think that Darkness of GX is the likely cause, but even if that were the case, that leaves more questions than answers. How would Paradox be able to possibly survive a World of Darkness, since if Darkness returned and got his way...there literally would be no planet at all. There would literally be nothing but a big black planet of nothingness...the dimension of darkness literally consuming the planet itself, like Darkness said he intended to do. We see Paradox existing on a desolate, barren, planet Earth, which even has the sun. In GX, Darkness's world has no sun, no light, period. It's literally just darkness and emptiness, with not a hint of existence. Just blackness. There would literally be nothing of the world remaining. So if Paradox were to exist in such a world, he'd be like the countless other souls that were in Darkness's world and just lost in his own internal sorrow and desire to cease to exist. You can't have a sunset in a world of Darkness. XD

Also, Paradox seems to see this as all one grand cosmic experiment...and he apparently has no qualms about sacrificing eras of the past to further his future according to the dialogue...how the heck would that help save the future from Darkness at all? And how would him using duel monsters, to destroy duel monsters save the future, when using cards for destructive, selfish purposes is what feeds the Darkness? That's so....contradictory. He'd just be carrying the darkness of his own heart and in his cards with him back to the future, and it'd still solve nothing.

He seems to be knowingly causing destruction in the 5Ds and GX era, which would in turn lead to a future of desolation, so how does that lead to a better future, and saving the world from Darkness....doing the things that feed Darkness's desire to consume everything and make everything nothing? Either Paradox has no clue how darkness works (which is unlikely since he apparently knows its connected to the darkness of duelists) or he's just insane, which seems like a bad excuse.

I just don't see how they'd fit a Darkness GX plot in 5Ds's era, and it would raise a lot of questions, especially in regards to how killing Paradox, somehow makes everything better. Because logically speaking, if the cause of the future's destruction was something else, and Paradox had already underwent time travel, re-writing history, how would beating him fix a single thing, especially in the GX and 5Ds era, which were already contaminated with Paradox corrupting the timeline? Again, unless he was the cause of history's demise, him dying would solve nothing. And I would think that if something was connected to the whole DARKNESSU plot, Paradox wouldn't hesitate to say it was all thanks to the darkness of the heart, or any of the info Trueman, Fujiwara, Fuubuki, or Darkness was more than happy to expound upon.

The only thing that would make some sort of sense is that killing Paradox somehow had the complete opposite effect, and another paradox was created that will later affect the 5D's verse once more, possibly literally causing the timelines to collide. I don't know how Darkness would fit into any of this though...

I get the feeling that the Tenor Trio is somehow involved with Paradox, either directly or indirectly. I thought this before, but especially now that they are hinting at 5D's being related to the movie. Think about it. Tenor Trio also have some relation to futuristic events.

But as you say, there are many questions left unanswered. I would like an arc dedicated to these matters. It would also be great to see interactions between the three timelines as well.

[Makoeyes987]

The only thing that would make some sort of sense is that killing Paradox somehow had the complete opposite effect, and another paradox was created that will later affect the 5D's verse once more, possibly literally causing the timelines to collide. I don't know how Darkness would fit into any of this though...

Well that may happen, but destroying Paradox did save the future, and even returned everyone's cards, so it did fix the immediate problem the plot revolved around, which would mean Paradox was somehow its cause. But another paradox cropping up because of the whole thing wouldn't be surprising at all. Time travel always causes some sort of ripple effect, where one rogue action, creates another, and another, as if pulling the thread of a fraying old rug.

And yeah, I don't see how Darkness of GX Season 4 would fit at all with 5Ds now, or anything in the movie. The world of Darkness is a world of literal darkness and death. No one lives. Everyone's essentially dead, and you can't see a sunset in a world of darkness. It's just...nothingness.

I get the feeling that the Tenor Trio is somehow involved with Paradox, either directly or indirectly. I thought this before, but especially now that they are hinting at 5D's being related to the movie. Think about it. Tenor Trio also have some relation to futuristic events.

I wouldn't be surprised if that were true at all. Especially if the Yilaster Trio somehow came from the future or something as well.

But as you say, there are many questions left unanswered. I would like an arc dedicated to these matters. It would also be great to see interactions between the three timelines as well.

I definitely want the questions answered, but all the time travel just....opens up a can of worms and scares me a little. XD

They managed to keep things coherent pretty much for this movie, but I just know that they'll eventually do something that literally creates a black hole of continuity that makes everyone's heads' explode. XDD

I mean time travel is fun, but taking a metro to the past and future seems a bit silly.

[bad2thebone]

It's that CRAAAAAZY Crimson Dragon you got to worry about, not Paradox. It's the real time-traveling agent at work here, bringing everybody this way and that way. I say we blame all the problems on that dragon until 5D's decides to eventually explain everything.

[Allana]

Here is Part Three of XYZ Dragon Cannon's post from Newwise BBS. As I previously said, this is the other info from his post that may be related to the movie, but is not the movie synopsis (basically everything written after ~THE END~).

All credit goes to Heleentje for the translation!

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"Tenth anniversary movie: Yu-Gi-Oh! ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~" has a story that actually isn't finished yet. Ultimately, who is Paradox? Is the human future really like he said? Many questions still remain unresolved. The tenth anniversary animation book also raised these questions.

1. How did Paradox travel through space and time?
=> He used his D-Wheel.

2. What was Paradox's true identity?
=> This question will be answered in 5Ds. Those who want to know the answers have to watch upcoming 5Ds episodes.

3. If Yugi doesn't know Juudai, does that mean the last episodes of GX were false?
[Heleentje's note: The Yugi who went back in GX was himself, that's what the book says. However, there are mistakes in the book, so we shouldn't take this as truth. (I.e. The Yugi who Juudai met was the Yugi who sent Juudai away in the first place, I think) I'm not sure it's correct, though. The wording is very confusing.

XYZ's notes, loosely translated: there's another source that says the same. We can assume that the Yugi in GX came after the Yugi in the movie. It's not contradictory for Yugi to know Juudai in the first ep... (Actually, it's more or less what we said, from what I gather. they met in the movie, so Yugi knew Juudai)]

4. Will the protagonists meet again?
=> The basic answer is: "Maybe. Maybe not, we don't know either."

==================What follows is a personal (theory? I have no idea what YY means)===================

The Tenth Anniversary Movie and earlier foreshadowing

The future of the human race has already been shown in GX season four. In fact, there are a lot of similarities (the world was created by cards...). Season 4, the movie and 5Ds are all connected.

The final boss (Darkness) in 2008 foreshadowed the events of the movie in 2010.

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Heleentje can't translate more at this point, she told me she'll finish it tomorrow. :]

All I've got to say, regarding the Animation Book comments: WAIT WHAT?

So we'll be seeing more of Paradox, and this pretty much makes the movie canon as well. As long as they flesh out Paradox's backstory, I'll be happy~

This also explains why Tamura was joking about the whole "Perhaps Paradox will be starring in a spin-off work" deal.

Paradox is 5d's anime !! Awesome ! For this, I forgive all fillers !

You know, that would be totally awesome. An entire season dedicated to Paradox? Yes please.

I hope it come true ! Maybe he will fight Yliaster ? Maybe Yusei go to reasearch him ?

[GoldenUmi]

Well that may happen, but destroying Paradox did save the future, and even returned everyone's cards, so it did fix the immediate problem the plot revolved around, which would mean Paradox was somehow its cause. But another paradox cropping up because of the whole thing wouldn't be surprising at all. Time travel always causes some sort of ripple effect, where one rogue action, creates another, and another, as if pulling the thread of a fraying old rug.

And yeah, I don't see how Darkness of GX Season 4 would fit at all with 5Ds now, or anything in the movie. The world of Darkness is a world of literal darkness and death. No one lives. Everyone's essentially dead, and you can't see a sunset in a world of darkness. It's just...nothingness.



I wouldn't be surprised if that were true at all. Especially if the Yilaster Trio somehow came from the future or something as well.



I definitely want the questions answered, but all the time travel just....opens up a can of worms and scares me a little. XD

They managed to keep things coherent pretty much for this movie, but I just know that they'll eventually do something that literally creates a black hole of continuity that makes everyone's heads' explode. XDD

I mean time travel is fun, but taking a metro to the past and future seems a bit silly.

Well what I mean is that maybe somehow all three timelines literally collide, opening a raft between the three, causing events that occurred in one time line to affect the other three as well. I know what you mean when you say going into the past and future could cause issues, but what if the past, future and present is all going on at the same time? Sure would cause a much more interesting story arc than the current robots-a-loo we're getting lately. And if they want to throw Yliaster into the mix, that would only make things more interesting, robots-a-loo included.

But... I'm getting ahead of myself and I doubt the anime would try something so elaborate. :/

[Makoeyes987]

Well what I mean is that maybe somehow all three timelines literally collide, opening a raft between the three, causing events that occurred in one time line to affect the other three as well. I know what you mean when you say going into the past and future could cause issues, but what if the past, future and present is all going on at the same time? Sure would cause a much more interesting story arc than the current robots-a-loo we're getting lately. And if they want to throw Yliaster into the mix, that would only make things more interesting, robots-a-loo included.

Wow..that sounds like "Time Compression" from FFVIII, and now my head hurts. XD

That would basically be time literally collapsing on itself. And yeah, that...would definitely be an awesome and interesting storyline. Utterly chaotic and amusing. XD

[Arynis]

But, that would mean there would be five of him running around in 5D's. That'll be confusing.
Paradox's true identity would have to be an actor. There is no way for him to wear that 'comedy/tragedy' mask if he WASN'T one.

Besides, if Paradox does get a season to himself, I just hope the writers remember the questions THEY asked themselves while thinking up what htis guy was going to be like.
Just one quick question though, even if it probably has been answered. Does anyone have any idea who animates this movie? Because I applaud them for making Yusei actually look cute (/shot) while acting normally.
And yes. I'm spoiling myself. The suspense is killing me.

Well, Aki did wear a mask as well but she didn't come from a carnival, or anything. *shot*

So... Paradox's real identity is Atsushi Tamura/Haderu? I'm kidding, of course. XD;

Also, the movie's animation director is Takahiro Kagami, who worked on animating several DM episodes as well as Death Note. Studio Gallop was the studio (natch) working on the movie.

Wow, so they're gonna address Paradox's origins in the future episodes of 5Ds. That sounds very interesting, and potentially awesome. So the animation book hinted that there was more to this story than we saw in the movie? Gosh, I don't know what to think about that. But there is a lot about Paradox we need to know.

Especially in regards to why defeating him magically fixes the future. If Paradox's meddling in the past is destroying the future...how does defeating him fix that, and leave everyone in Yusei's era remembering him? How is he not the cause of the future's demise, if said meddling results in the very same desolation and destruction he's trying to avoid in his own ear? Especially when he tells Yusei to "perish with this era!"

Hmm, to the 5D's cast, wouldn't it seem like "he was just passing by"? So they would remember him. As for Yugi/Judai/Yusei, some kind of immunity to time travel's worse effects? (Or we could say the Crimson Dragon protected them.)

Whatever event happened in Paradox's future will be very interesting to see, especially in regards to Paradox being the sole survivor and getting into time travel. And I wonder how the protagonists would ever meet again... that would be a bit jarring, I mean time traveling shouldn't be like taking a metro bus to the past or future for kicks.

But they did that in Chrono Trigger! XD Yu-Gi-Oh! is now called Yu-Gi-Oh! Chrono Duel! *brick'd* As for the protagonists meeting thing, the writers kind of killed the feel with their "Maybe, maybe not" answer. >:

Everyone seems to think that Darkness of GX is the likely cause, but even if that were the case, that leaves more questions than answers. How would Paradox be able to possibly survive a World of Darkness, since if Darkness returned and got his way...there literally would be no planet at all. There would literally be nothing but a big black planet of nothingness...the dimension of darkness literally consuming the planet itself, like Darkness said he intended to do. We see Paradox existing on a desolate, barren, planet Earth, which even has the sun. In GX, Darkness's world has no sun, no light, period. It's literally just darkness and emptiness, with not a hint of existence. Just blackness. There would literally be nothing of the world remaining. So if Paradox were to exist in such a world, he'd be like the countless other souls that were in Darkness's world and just lost in his own internal sorrow and desire to cease to exist. You can't have a sunset in a world of Darkness. XD

Who said Darkness himself had to be involved? As Darkness said, there were countless incidents caused by broken humans. Maybe it was indeed the humans causing that future, not Darkness himself, who was merely showing Judai that future. Darkness' vision could have been dark just for the whole "OMINOUS FUTURE AHEAD!" effect. Although Darkness did mention the abnormal weather, maybe it just happened to be a clear sky during Paradox's introduction?

Also, Paradox seems to see this as all one grand cosmic experiment...and he apparently has no qualms about sacrificing eras of the past to further his future according to the dialogue...how the heck would that help save the future from Darkness at all? And how would him using duel monsters, to destroy duel monsters save the future, when using cards for destructive, selfish purposes is what feeds the Darkness? That's so....contradictory. He'd just be carrying the darkness of his own heart and in his cards with him back to the future, and it'd still solve nothing.

Well, if he's the only human in the future in which his world is destroyed, it's not wonder he feels nothing for a "few" lives. I mean, to him, the cost of "some lives" vs. "the enitre mankind" is a price he'd pay any time if it meant saving his future.

He seems to be knowingly causing destruction in the 5Ds and GX era, which would in turn lead to a future of desolation, so how does that lead to a better future, and saving the world from Darkness....doing the things that feed Darkness's desire to consume everything and make everything nothing? Either Paradox has no clue how darkness works (which is unlikely since he apparently knows its connected to the darkness of duelists) or he's just insane, which seems like a bad excuse.

Isn't that the point of an experiment? You keep repeating your experiment while altering certain conditions until you get the desired result.

I just don't see how they'd fit a Darkness GX plot in 5Ds's era, and it would raise a lot of questions, especially in regards to how killing Paradox, somehow makes everything better. Because logically speaking, if the cause of the future's destruction was something else, and Paradox had already underwent time travel, re-writing history, how would beating him fix a single thing, especially in the GX and 5Ds era, which were already contaminated with Paradox corrupting the timeline? Again, unless he was the cause of history's demise, him dying would solve nothing. And I would think that if something was connected to the whole DARKNESSU plot, Paradox wouldn't hesitate to say it was all thanks to the darkness of the heart, or any of the info Trueman, Fujiwara, Fuubuki, or Darkness was more than happy to expound upon.

Yeah, good point. But as I said, is it necessarily related to Darkness himself?

As for time travel corrupting the timeline, what about, well, Dark Glass? His Accel Synchro moment looked very much like Paradox's time travel into the past move. Illiaster was watching that act with interest, perhaps is this related somehow?

And I don't think the future is safe just yet. We don't have anyone saying "Hey guys, the distant future is fixed now!" just because the dimension's disintegration stopped.

I'm wondering though, if Yusei's, Yugi's and Judai's actions somehow altered the future, wouldn't that result in a different future where Paradox didn't have to travel back in time? Or better yet, Paradox wasn't born/lived differently and so on? Wouldn't that eventually result in a paradox because the heroes set off a Grandfather Paradox this way? Or if Paradox is somehow related to Illiaster, wouldn't meddling with the Tenor Trio (providing Yusei and co. are successful with it) change everything?

Wow..that sounds like "Time Compression" from FFVIII, and now my head hurts. XD

That would basically be time literally collapsing on itself. And yeah, that...would definitely be an awesome and interesting storyline. Utterly chaotic and amusing. XD

A similar event was the Time Crash in Chrono Cross. In the game, two separate timelines were collided in a specific period, because Chronopolis from the future in the game's timeline (well... one of them) was sent back in time. To counter this, the Dragonians' Terra Tower was brought into the timeline from another timeline. Well, that's the gist of it, anyway. XD (Here's TV Tropes' friendlier explanation on the phenomenon: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeCrash )

[Makoeyes987]

Hmm, to the 5D's cast, wouldn't it seem like "he was just passing by"? So they would remember him. As for Yugi/Judai/Yusei, some kind of immunity to time travel's worse effects? (Or we could say the Crimson Dragon protected them.)

If Paradox was the cause of the destruction of the timeline, then it'd make sense for the 5Ds era to remember him because the whole paradox of Paradox's time travel and destruction of the future from the past, would result in the people of the future knowing him and being able to see the future breaking down thanks to his actions. He wouldn't be basically erasing himself from the past because he's simultaneously in the past and future. But if Paradox isn't the cause of the future's destruction and not the cause of the paradoxical destruction of the timeline, him being killed in the past should change nothing because his contamination of the timeline is done. People have already seen Stardust Dragon in Gx's era, and him destroying the city. It's not like they erased Paradox from being born or existing. So how could that fix anything? I suppose it'd be possible for 5Ds era to remember him, but if he wasn't the cause, how does killing him fix anything?

But they did that in Chrono Trigger! XD Yu-Gi-Oh! is now called Yu-Gi-Oh! Chrono Duel! *brick'd* As for the protagonists meeting thing, the writers kind of killed the feel with their "Maybe, maybe not" answer. >:

XDD

I agree, in regards to that answer.

Who said Darkness himself had to be involved? As Darkness said, there were countless incidents caused by broken humans. Maybe it was indeed the humans causing that future, not Darkness himself, who was merely showing Judai that future. Darkness' vision could have been dark just for the whole "OMINOUS FUTURE AHEAD!" effect. Although Darkness did mention the abnormal weather, maybe it just happened to be a clear sky during Paradox's introduction?

So if it were just humans, then that's basically real life, lol.

Humanity ended up killing themselves? Well that's not really Darkness's fault then. That's man's. I mean, yeah it results from the darkness in their hearts, but when you say "Darkness" I think of the literal being of darkness swallowing up the whole planet and yeah. XD

Well I wouldn't be surprised if some type of world wide Zero-Reverse-esque catastrophy with duel monsters happened that ended killing off all of humanity, but that would be mankind's fault. Not really Darkness, directly. I could see that happening, but that still doesn't answer why killing Paradox gives us the "Happy Ending" and fixes everything. If anything, time would end up worst, or at the very least unchanged. Because the damage was done, and the corruption of the timeline once started, wouldn't be just undone by killing the guy in the past.

Well, if he's the only human in the future in which his world is destroyed, it's not wonder he feels nothing for a "few" lives. I mean, to him, the cost of "some lives" vs. "the enitre mankind" is a price he'd pay any time if it meant saving his future.

Well that's true. I was just under the assumption you meant the literal "Darkness" of GX finally destroyed the future, and he was trying to avoid that. Which would make his "dark" actions which would cause darkness to flood the world faster, rather...off.

Isn't that the point of an experiment? You keep repeating your experiment while altering certain conditions until you get the desired result.

That's true, but if he knows that his actions could result in the destruction of the future....and he's doing this to save the future...isn't that contradictory? It results in the same conclusion that he's apparently trying to avoid. If he's experimenting this way, he must be a mad scientist.

Yeah, good point. But as I said, is it necessarily related to Darkness himself?

Well I misunderstood you. If you just mean the result of the future era being destroyed by humans with darkness in their hearts, then yeah. I don't think that necessarily is wrong. But I would just say those are evil people at work XD Not necessarily people like Fujiwara or something.

As for time travel corrupting the timeline, what about, well, Dark Glass? His Accel Synchro moment looked very much like Paradox's time travel into the past move. Illiaster was watching that act with interest, perhaps is this related somehow?

Hmm...maybe. I really am curious about what this whole new plot's about. But if somehow Dark Glass is from the future, his effect on the timeline has yet to be seen. We know for a fact Paradox is literally poisoning the future with his actions, causing the world to crumble.

And I don't think the future is safe just yet. We don't have anyone saying "Hey guys, the distant future is fixed now!" just because the dimension's disintegration stopped.

But Paradox's immediate threat to the future of 5Ds era was stopped thanks to Paradox's defeat. So that means defeating him had some tangible result of saving the future. Which somehow would mean he was the cause of it somehow. If he weren't then...what was the point? XD

Of course something may happen in the distant future..I mean, this is the world of YGO, I'm sure life insurance companies make a killing there, next to Kaiba Corp.

I'm wondering though, if Yusei's, Yugi's and Judai's actions somehow altered the future, wouldn't that result in a different future where Paradox didn't have to travel back in time? Or better yet, Paradox wasn't born/lived differently and so on? Wouldn't that eventually result in a paradox because the heroes set off a Grandfather Paradox this way? Or if Paradox is somehow related to Illiaster, wouldn't meddling with the Tenor Trio (providing Yusei and co. are successful with it) change everything?

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If Paradox were the cause of his own future's destruction, then the heroes killing him in the past and saving the future, would result in Paradox's future never being destroyed by his actions, causing him to decide to go off into the past and try to destroy duel monsters. It would basically allow him to live a normal happy life. He'd be freed from the cyclical nature of the paradox where he's destroying his future in the past, causing him to want to time travel in the past, to destroy it and etc. That would be in essence saving him and his time. If anything, the heroes defeating him would stop the paradox and keep one from happening. Paradox's birth wouldn't be effected at all since his future self dying in the past wouldn't really effect him being born.

If Paradox is related to Yilaster, I have no idea what that could result in. That's just a whole new possibility that's unknown.

A similar event was the Time Crash in Chrono Cross. In the game, two separate timelines were collided in a specific period, because Chronopolis from the future in the game's timeline (well... one of them) was sent back in time. To counter this, the Dragonians' Terra Tower was brought into the timeline from another timeline. Well, that's the gist of it, anyway. XD (Here's TV Tropes' friendlier explanation on the phenomenon: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeCrash )

Wow...well I'm not sure how'd that even work. I'm just reminded of FFVIII's time compression even more. Where the past, present and future literally occur simultaneously, and one could literally cease to exist as they're lost within the endless stream of time and space. It's reality compressed within a singularity and moment.

[GoldenUmi]

That would basically be time literally collapsing on itself. And yeah, that...would definitely be an awesome and interesting storyline. Utterly chaotic and amusing. XD

So you get why I get excited by this theory.

We all know by the movie so far that these writers are capable of good writing, despite all the crap, so I'm hoping they will get it going in 5D's.

As for time travel corrupting the timeline, what about, well, Dark Glass? His Accel Synchro moment looked very much like Paradox's time travel into the past move. Illiaster was watching that act with interest, perhaps is this related somehow?

And I don't think the future is safe just yet. We don't have anyone saying "Hey guys, the distant future is fixed now!" just because the dimension's disintegration stopped.

I'm wondering though, if Yusei's, Yugi's and Judai's actions somehow altered the future, wouldn't that result in a different future where Paradox didn't have to travel back in time? Or better yet, Paradox wasn't born/lived differently and so on? Wouldn't that eventually result in a paradox because the heroes set off a Grandfather Paradox this way? Or if Paradox is somehow related to Illiaster, wouldn't meddling with the Tenor Trio (providing Yusei and co. are successful with it) change everything?

I forgot about Dark Glass. Now if Paradox and the movie are related to 5D's plot, I have a strong feeling Dark Glass is either directly linked to Paradox in some way, or they at least come from the same future that was ruined, and are both trying to save it in their own way.

My theory is that another Paradox is somehow created as a result of the three protagonists defeating him... how, I don't really have a theory for though.

As for Tenor Trio, I think they may be directly responsible or a part of the chain of events that lead to the future's destruction. We still have no idea exactly what Yliaster is and what their goals are. Yes, they are obsessed with technology and hate Syncrhos, but there has to be more to it than that. Perhaps they, too, are trying to change the future in their own way.

Would anyone else be curious as to what would happen if Paradox confronted the Tenor Trio? I know I would.

Oh, is Bruno actually in the movie? And now that I think about it, I have to wonder if that Pendant Yusei got from Crash Town has any deeper meaning than we all thought. (This is more related to 5D's than the movie).

[Lia]

I knew that this movie's plot will somehow interfere with the upcoming 5D'S plot. It's nice to know that Paradox's role in 5D'S is now confirmed. That's the reason why this 10th Anniversary Movie doesn't answer many questions about him and his true identity. It's great to know also that there's a slight chance to see the 3 protagonists together again. [I think they'll meet because of protagonists' words from the scene of their parting. Yusei had a feeling that they will for sure duel together and Yugi was almost convinced that it'll come time when they'll meet again some day as long as they believe in their dueling, which is actually quite encouraging for those who would be pleased to see the 3 of them together again. Not to mention that Yusei wanted to duel Yugi...neh. I accept these last protagonists' words as a CLEAR HINT that we'll see the 3 of them together again. =)] Great news....really great....thanks for the translation. I really hope that we'll see the 3 protagonist working together, but this time for a several 5D'S episodes. [I've been dreaming to see them drawn in Hara's style....yayyyy.....and the thought to see the 2 of them on D-Wheels or exploring Neo Domino also isn't that bad at all...neh. =)]
Can't wait more info about this to come out. I really wish trully to believe that Yugi and Judai will also take role in 5D'S. [*Gosh*...I became too excited...I need to stop talking already...^_^]

[Arynis]

If Paradox was the cause of the destruction of the timeline, then it'd make sense for the 5Ds era to remember him because the whole paradox of Paradox's time travel and destruction of the future from the past, would result in the people of the future knowing him and being able to see the future breaking down thanks to his actions. He wouldn't be basically erasing himself from the past because he's simultaneously in the past and future. But if Paradox isn't the cause of the future's destruction and not the cause of the paradoxical destruction of the timeline, him being killed in the past should change nothing because his contamination of the timeline is done. People have already seen Stardust Dragon in Gx's era, and him destroying the city. It's not like they erased Paradox from being born or existing. So how could that fix anything? I suppose it'd be possible for 5Ds era to remember him, but if he wasn't the cause, how does killing him fix anything?

Hmm, so you mean because Paradox appeared in the past, he's recognized simultaneously in the future. But wait, didn't the photos Aki brought showed Stardust and Venice destroyed, soon after Paradox stole Stardust in the future? So it would be more like, "Yeah, we know of that guy already" rather than "remembering him"? So the instant Paradox appeared in Venice and did stuff, people's knowledge in the future was simultaneously altered. But Paradox didn't really show himself in Venice (apart from being some ominous person standing on the top of the Basilica and being all "hur hur mysterious"), so people would just know him as a shady figure... it's not like he went around parading everyone and revealing himself And his involvement in DM's period could be left in mystery since most people who saw him died from the collapsing buildings.

So if it were just humans, then that's basically real life, lol.

Humanity ended up killing themselves? Well that's not really Darkness's fault then. That's man's. I mean, yeah it results from the darkness in their hearts, but when you say "Darkness" I think of the literal being of darkness swallowing up the whole planet and yeah. XD

Well I wouldn't be surprised if some type of world wide Zero-Reverse-esque catastrophy with duel monsters happened that ended killing off all of humanity, but that would be mankind's fault. Not really Darkness, directly. I could see that happening, but that still doesn't answer why killing Paradox gives us the "Happy Ending" and fixes everything. If anything, time would end up worst, or at the very least unchanged. Because the damage was done, and the corruption of the timeline once started, wouldn't be just undone by killing the guy in the past.

Heh, no worries.

Hmm, we know Venice collapsed because of his involvement there. Was it ever revealed that the city was in an unharmed state after he was killed? As for DM, Crimson Dragon rewinded the accident there so that doesn't really count. Perhaps the timeline was getting corrupted for other reasons, others than we may be thinking of?

I like the Zero Reverse-esque idea.

Well that's true. I was just under the assumption you meant the literal "Darkness" of GX finally destroyed the future, and he was trying to avoid that. Which would make his "dark" actions which would cause darkness to flood the world faster, rather...off.

Yeah, true that.

That's true, but if he knows that his actions could result in the destruction of the future....and he's doing this to save the future...isn't that contradictory? It results in the same conclusion that he's apparently trying to avoid. If he's experimenting this way, he must be a mad scientist.

Maybe he believes that if he destroys the future, he could give people a "painless death" (being erased from existence) instead of going through the destruction which ruined his future? After all, he did ask Yusei if it isn't better to forget the scars and pain.

Well I misunderstood you. If you just mean the result of the future era being destroyed by humans with darkness in their hearts, then yeah. I don't think that necessarily is wrong. But I would just say those are evil people at work XD Not necessarily people like Fujiwara or something.

Indeed. The wicked people Paradox spoke of?

Hmm...maybe. I really am curious about what this whole new plot's about. But if somehow Dark Glass is from the future, his effect on the timeline has yet to be seen. We know for a fact Paradox is literally poisoning the future with his actions, causing the world to crumble.

Perhaps it's related to how travelling ahead in time isn't as dangerous as travelling backwards?

But Paradox's immediate threat to the future of 5Ds era was stopped thanks to Paradox's defeat. So that means defeating him had some tangible result of saving the future. Which somehow would mean he was the cause of it somehow. If he weren't then...what was the point? XD

Of course something may happen in the distant future..I mean, this is the world of YGO, I'm sure life insurance companies make a killing there, next to Kaiba Corp.

I could see it this way: They stopped Paradox meddling with the past, so his changes weren't reflected by the future? Besides, we'd need to see the actual movie to see if his damages left a mark or not. To my knowledge, the summary didn't speak of that detail.

XD I LOL'd.

If Paradox were the cause of his own future's destruction, then the heroes killing him in the past and saving the future, would result in Paradox's future never being destroyed by his actions, causing him to decide to go off into the past and try to destroy duel monsters. It would basically allow him to live a normal happy life. He'd be freed from the cyclical nature of the paradox where he's destroying his future in the past, causing him to want to time travel in the past, to destroy it and etc. That would be in essence saving him and his time. If anything, the heroes defeating him would stop the paradox and keep one from happening. Paradox's birth wouldn't be effected at all since his future self dying in the past wouldn't really effect him being born.

If Paradox is related to Yilaster, I have no idea what that could result in. That's just a whole new possibility that's unknown.

*nod* That's true. And yeah, his birth wouldn't be affected. I think I read something about this issue on Chrono Compendium, I'll get the proper section later. (Once I figure out what I'm exactly supposed to look for. XD)

Wow...well I'm not sure how'd that even work. I'm just reminded of FFVIII's time compression even more. Where the past, present and future literally occur simultaneously, and one could literally cease to exist as they're lost within the endless stream of time and space. It's reality compressed within a singularity and moment.

Yeah, Time Crash (for that matter, Chrono Cross) is one giant Mind Screw. Did I mention the game dumps this fact on you all of a sudden in the second half of the game? Definitely makes you go "What the hell was THAT about?" for the rest of the game. XD

Hmm, cease to exist, huh? It sounds just like the Chrono series' "Darkness Beyond Time", where discarded timelines go.

I forgot about Dark Glass. Now if Paradox and the movie are related to 5D's plot, I have a strong feeling Dark Glass is either directly linked to Paradox in some way, or they at least come from the same future that was ruined, and are both trying to save it in their own way.

I thought about it, too. What if Bruno/Dark Glass/Paradox are tied together, somehow? Although I can't see Paradox being some kind of a robot, as he sacrificed his body for Sin Truth. If he were a cyborg, he couldn't really offer his body, could he? (Unless Bruno's powers are something else...)

My theory is that another Paradox is somehow created as a result of the three protagonists defeating him... how, I don't really have a theory for though.

Ffff, poor Paradox would be eternally reborn and be disposed somehow in that case. It's like Rei Ayanami, but with time travel thrown in...

As for Tenor Trio, I think they may be directly responsible or a part of the chain of events that lead to the future's destruction. We still have no idea exactly what Yliaster is and what their goals are. Yes, they are obsessed with technology and hate Syncrhos, but there has to be more to it than that. Perhaps they, too, are trying to change the future in their own way.

Would anyone else be curious as to what would happen if Paradox confronted the Tenor Trio? I know I would.

Well, Illiaster is kind of the SEELE of Yugioh, from what I understand. Mysterious Ancient Conspiracy Organization dispatching a few people to do stuff on the front. XD I like your idea of them changing the future somehow.

You know, I'd totally pay for a scene where Paradox travels in time and ends up right in the Tenor Trio chamber. "Oops, smashed your precious CIRCUIT~" To be honest, I think the whole Circuit thing is just... some kind of a power unlocked in a specific route, rather than actually being that thing on the display. Or the display is merely showing where that "power" got unlocked.

Oh, is Bruno actually in the movie? And now that I think about it, I have to wonder if that Pendant Yusei got from Crash Town has any deeper meaning than we all thought. (This is more related to 5D's than the movie).

He is, yeah. Yusei remembers him, so it's more of a flashback-level cameo.

As for the pendant, I'm calling it - Chekhov's Gun, it's got to be! (The movie notes it's a "magic pendant", I believe.)

[Donovantx8]

I think Yuusei might fail to save the future somehow, during their duel Yuusei gave up hope, and the main protagonists usually fail once, come to think of Yuusei has yet to embrace the darkness like Judai and Yugi have, and because of that he, in my opinion, cannot fight true evil yet.

[Allana]

Finally, I start to look the movie like a possibility - The future upcoming If Yusei and the others Signers falls in their struggle against Yliaster. I wonder me how Paradox will be introduce in 5d's anime.

[GoldenUmi]

I thought about it, too. What if Bruno/Dark Glass/Paradox are tied together, somehow? Although I can't see Paradox being some kind of a robot, as he sacrificed his body for Sin Truth. If he were a cyborg, he couldn't really offer his body, could he? (Unless Bruno's powers are something else...)

Well being from the same future as the Tenor Trio and Bruno/Dark Glass doesn't necessarily mean he's a robot, despite all the robots we've seen from Placido. I can't really come up with a theory yet, not until I see more of what the Tenor Trio's motives are, and their abilities. What we know about them is they hate Synchros, they have a mysterious power called Circuit, they have the Machine Emperors, and Bruno is either a robot or maybe he is a reincarnation human form of this so-called "Circuit". Since we don't know about Paradox's past, or how he can even time travel for that matter... this is just a theory, so bare with me...

What if Paradox is some kind of failed hybrid of human experimentation the cult the Tenor Trio are from was performing. And what if Dark Glass is the exact same thing? As I said, I need to know more about what Circuit is before I can add to this theory.

Ffff, poor Paradox would be eternally reborn and be disposed somehow in that case. It's like Rei Ayanami, but with time travel thrown in...

Poor Rei... *sniff* Maybe she'll get a role in 5D's if the time lines collide and some GX and 5D's characters get sucked into Neo Domino. *wishful thinking* And maybe she'll actually get to Duel!

Well, Illiaster is kind of the SEELE of Yugioh, from what I understand. Mysterious Ancient Conspiracy Organization dispatching a few people to do stuff on the front. XD I like your idea of them changing the future somehow.

Going back to my new theory, what if they are the complete opposite of what I thought and are actually responsible for the future's destruction. Or maybe the three are outcasts from the cult they originated from and are trying to save humanity from their group's own screw-ups. That doesn't explain why Placido is making a robot army though... if they are trying to save the future like I first though, then the three of them seem to have different ideas of what a "good future" would be. It's possible the three are from different cults and are only working together to try and fix their mistakes. We still don't know who Jose is, let alone the other two rebellious figures.

What we know so far is that Placido wants to create a robot army, and Luciano... seems to have no real agenda. Only Jose seems particular interested in the Signers.

You know, I'd totally pay for a scene where Paradox travels in time and ends up right in the Tenor Trio chamber. "Oops, smashed your precious CIRCUIT~" To be honest, I think the whole Circuit thing is just... some kind of a power unlocked in a specific route, rather than actually being that thing on the display. Or the display is merely showing where that "power" got unlocked.

That would kick ass. Imagine how cool 5D's would be with Paradox strolling around.

He is, yeah. Yusei remembers him, so it's more of a flashback-level cameo.

Oh, probably when he's remembering his friends.

As for the pendant, I'm calling it - Chekhov's Gun, it's got to be! (The movie notes it's a "magic pendant", I believe.)

Why on Earth would it be in Crash Town though? oO Lol...

[tori_yugio4ever]

I think Yuusei might fail to save the future somehow, during their duel Yuusei gave up hope, and the main protagonists usually fail once, come to think of Yuusei has yet to embrace the darkness like Judai and Yugi have, and because of that he, in my opinion, cannot fight true evil yet.

Good point. Yusei hasn't gotten to that stage of falling to the darkness like Judai and Atem. So maybe your right,Yusei and the Signers may fail at some point.

[J_BYYX]

Good point. Yusei hasn't gotten to that stage of falling to the darkness like Judai and Atem. So maybe your right,Yusei and the Signers may fail at some point.

Signers becoming dark signers... (maybe that rumored tittle about dark signers vs machine emperor will be true after all )...

Oh and what if Tenor trio are good guys?

[Lia]

I wonder if that Paradox that we''ll see in 5D'S will also play with Sin Deck. If he will, then it'll be very, very likely to see Yugi and Judai involved too. I guess this Paradox Saga will take place somewhere in Season 4 of 5D'S. LoL.....and I thought the 10th anniversary movie will be something new, but single.... on the contrary...it'll be only the beginning of some cool 5D'S season with Paradox and probably the 3 main characters.

[Makoeyes987]

Hmm, so you mean because Paradox appeared in the past, he's recognized simultaneously in the future. But wait, didn't the photos Aki brought showed Stardust and Venice destroyed, soon after Paradox stole Stardust in the future? So it would be more like, "Yeah, we know of that guy already" rather than "remembering him"? So the instant Paradox appeared in Venice and did stuff, people's knowledge in the future was simultaneously altered. But Paradox didn't really show himself in Venice (apart from being some ominous person standing on the top of the Basilica and being all "hur hur mysterious"), so people would just know him as a shady figure... it's not like he went around parading everyone and revealing himself And his involvement in DM's period could be left in mystery since most people who saw him died from the collapsing buildings.

That's what I'm saying. And you're right, they may not necessarily "know" him, but his effect on the timeline would be instantaneous. You couldn't really..."undo" that by defeating him in a duel further in the past. He's already effected history by popping up with monsters from the future that didn't exist in that time period. And if its that influence that's a threat to stability, then beating him in a duel would not fix that, unless he's the source of a temporal paradox that results in the future being destroyed and thus, his direct actions are the cause and stopping him, stops the paradox.

See what I'm saying? If Paradox's actions aren't the result of a temporal paradox, then whats the point in killing him? The chain of events aren't really fixed.

Heh, no worries.

Hmm, we know Venice collapsed because of his involvement there. Was it ever revealed that the city was in an unharmed state after he was killed? As for DM, Crimson Dragon rewinded the accident there so that doesn't really count. Perhaps the timeline was getting corrupted for other reasons, others than we may be thinking of?

I wouldn't think that beating Paradox in Yugi's past would necessarily "fix" what he did in GX's era. The damage in Venice would be done. But...since the movie's ending tells us that they fixed time with Paradox's defeat, then the damage of everything else in GX's era due to Paradox's time travel would be fixed. (Although, it would also depend on where in time Judai came back to..if it was before he went back in time with Yusei, then it may never have even happened...but if its after..then the physical damage would be done, but nothing else.)

See, if Paradox's defeat lead to history "fixing" itself, and the future no longer being blown to hell thanks to his plot to destroy duel monsters, all the events would kinda be undone. Because the catalyst for Paradox to undertake his plot (the destruction of the future) would no longer have happened. Because he was defeated.

[quote]I like the Zero Reverse-esque idea.

Well, if somehow they tell us that something else, caused the future to be ruined, then I wouldn't be surprised if it was some widespread cataclysm. Isn't that how it always happens? XD

Maybe he believes that if he destroys the future, he could give people a "painless death" (being erased from existence) instead of going through the destruction which ruined his future? After all, he did ask Yusei if it isn't better to forget the scars and pain.

So then he's not really trying to save the future anymore, he's trying to euthanize it.

I mean, if his goal is to make the future no longer destined for destruction, then that would mean ensuring it didn't get destroyed. If he's going around trying to kill people and kill them before the future happens...that's not really saving anything. That's just sparing them pain. I mean, that wouldn't really make him a person who has good intentions or trying to save his era/time at all.

Indeed. The wicked people Paradox spoke of?

Yeah, they'd certainly be wicked. But even then, what Darkness spoke of is just reality in and of itself. No matter what happens, there will always be villains or weak people who threaten the safety of everyone, using duel monsters. I mean, heck...5Ds showed that his prophecy was true. The Zero Reverse incident wouldn't have happened had the Earthbound Gods not seized hold of Rudger, and wormed their way into the darkness of his heart. Which in turn was somewhat prompted by Yilaster in the first place. I mean, that right there shows that what Darkness said was true. It's an endless cycle, in a sense.

Perhaps it's related to how travelling ahead in time isn't as dangerous as travelling backwards?

Yeah, I would think that future time travel has less repercussions than traveling into the past.

I could see it this way: They stopped Paradox meddling with the past, so his changes weren't reflected by the future? Besides, we'd need to see the actual movie to see if his damages left a mark or not. To my knowledge, the summary didn't speak of that detail.

XD I LOL'd.

So by defeating him, they cease the destruction in the future, and save everything. As for if the damage remained, well..I would think that the summaries would speak of something that significant, like Yusei coming back to his time period and Jack Atlas screaming, "Idiot! Why didn't you defeat Paradox?!" and Yusei going "But I did!" and they all go, "But the world's still disintegrating! Nothing's fixed!" with Yusei falling to his knees and panicking.

See, in Domino City you have three career choices. You either go into a Duel Academy to be a pro duelist, you go to Kaiba Corp and work for them, or you become an insurance claims investigator. Looking into the numerous injuries and deaths caused by a card game's brutal and reckless "Solid Vision" system. It's the only way to make a living.

*nod* That's true. And yeah, his birth wouldn't be affected. I think I read something about this issue on Chrono Compendium, I'll get the proper section later. (Once I figure out what I'm exactly supposed to look for. XD)

Ahh that would be cool. That's a really awesome site btw.

Yeah, Time Crash (for that matter, Chrono Cross) is one giant Mind Screw. Did I mention the game dumps this fact on you all of a sudden in the second half of the game? Definitely makes you go "What the hell was THAT about?" for the rest of the game. XD

Yeah, that's pretty intense. I haven't played Chrono Cross in so long though. I need to get the DS version of it and replay it XD

Hmm, cease to exist, huh? It sounds just like the Chrono series' "Darkness Beyond Time", where discarded timelines go.

Yup, that's pretty much it.

I thought about it, too. What if Bruno/Dark Glass/Paradox are tied together, somehow? Although I can't see Paradox being some kind of a robot, as he sacrificed his body for Sin Truth. If he were a cyborg, he couldn't really offer his body, could he? (Unless Bruno's powers are something else...)

Yeah, with Season 3, it became official. YGO 5Ds is basically "The Terminator" series, except with card games instead of big guns and a missile defense system. Soon, Skynet the Infinity Emperors will become self aware, aiming all of the nuclear missles riding roids at important global targets, and wage war with the world governments the Signers, and the Terminators Infinity Trio are there to ensure it happens and that John Conner Yusei Fudo doesn't mount a resistance that defeats the cybernetic enemies of humanity. Kyle Reese Dark Glass was sent to the past by Connor Yusei in order to protect him from being assassinated in the past, and thus dooming humanity in the future. It all makes sense now.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Signers becoming dark signers... (maybe that rumored tittle about dark signers vs machine emperor will be true after all )...

Oh and what if Tenor trio are good guys?

Or perceive themselves to be good guys. It happens every series - Dartz, Saiou...

[tori_yugio4ever]

I wonder if that Paradox that we''ll see in 5D'S will also play with Sin Deck. If he will, then it'll be very, very likely to see Yugi and Judai involved too. I guess this Paradox Saga will take place somewhere in Season 4 of 5D'S. LoL.....and I thought the 10th anniversary movie will be something new, but single.... on the contrary...it'll be only the beginning of some cool 5D'S season with Paradox and probably the 3 main characters.

Now that sounds nice, not mention that's a cool way to introduce that plot for season 4. But I also wonder, if they would show not just Yugi and Judai, maybe Kaiba, Jonouchi, or Johan. After all their dragons were used by Paradox (Sin Blue Eyes, Sin Red Eyes and Sin Rainbow Dragon).

[super_n00b]

Now that sounds nice, not mention that's a cool way to introduce that plot for season 4. But I also wonder, if they would show not just Yugi and Judai, maybe Kaiba, Jonouchi, or Johan. After all their dragons were used by Paradox (Sin Blue Eyes, Sin Red Eyes and Sin Rainbow Dragon).

the season can start with johan/jonouchi/kaiba/ryo in a duel with paradox (and lose obv) *-* (sory my english isn't good xD)

[bad2thebone]

Because in a sense, if Paradox was dueling those minor heroes (listed above), he wouldn't be able to call on any of those dragons yet, besides his own Sin Truth and Sin Paradox Dragons. That would be kinda cool to showcase the rest of his deck, or rather, his original deck before all the sin dragons he stole.

[Arynis]

Well being from the same future as the Tenor Trio and Bruno/Dark Glass doesn't necessarily mean he's a robot, despite all the robots we've seen from Placido. I can't really come up with a theory yet, not until I see more of what the Tenor Trio's motives are, and their abilities. What we know about them is they hate Synchros, they have a mysterious power called Circuit, they have the Machine Emperors, and Bruno is either a robot or maybe he is a reincarnation human form of this so-called "Circuit". Since we don't know about Paradox's past, or how he can even time travel for that matter... this is just a theory, so bare with me...

Yeah, there is very little we know of the Tenor Trio, indeed. They are awfully mysterious about their motives, too.

What if Paradox is some kind of failed hybrid of human experimentation the cult the Tenor Trio are from was performing. And what if Dark Glass is the exact same thing? As I said, I need to know more about what Circuit is before I can add to this theory.

Hmm... that would be quite interesting. Paradox as a test tube baby? *shot*

Poor Rei... *sniff* Maybe she'll get a role in 5D's if the time lines collide and some GX and 5D's characters get sucked into Neo Domino. *wishful thinking* And maybe she'll actually get to Duel!

Aww. (I was referring to Evangelion's Rei, though. XD; )

Going back to my new theory, what if they are the complete opposite of what I thought and are actually responsible for the future's destruction. Or maybe the three are outcasts from the cult they originated from and are trying to save humanity from their group's own screw-ups. That doesn't explain why Placido is making a robot army though... if they are trying to save the future like I first though, then the three of them seem to have different ideas of what a "good future" would be. It's possible the three are from different cults and are only working together to try and fix their mistakes. We still don't know who Jose is, let alone the other two rebellious figures.

That sounds plausible. Maybe they are just like Paradox, they have their own (twisted) views about saving the future.

What we know so far is that Placido wants to create a robot army, and Luciano... seems to have no real agenda. Only Jose seems particular interested in the Signers.

Hmm... Maybe Placido wants to avoid evolution by replacing humans with robots? The Machine Emperors are machines (robots), and they are used to defeat Synchros (symbol of evolution).

That would kick ass. Imagine how cool 5D's would be with Paradox strolling around.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. XD But I agree.

Why on Earth would it be in Crash Town though? oO Lol...

To give some purpose for making that entire detour from the main story? But really, aren't the most important items usually found in the most unusual places? I know this is an anime and not a video game, but isn't it a typical situation that you find a seemingly useless item, then it suddenly becomes "THIS STUFF IS IMPORTANT" item? Not to mention that powerful items (eg. weapons) are found in the weirdest places...

Signers becoming dark signers... (maybe that rumored tittle about dark signers vs machine emperor will be true after all )...

Oh and what if Tenor trio are good guys?

Hmm. Then they are definitely Well Intentioned Extremists.

I wonder if that Paradox that we''ll see in 5D'S will also play with Sin Deck. If he will, then it'll be very, very likely to see Yugi and Judai involved too. I guess this Paradox Saga will take place somewhere in Season 4 of 5D'S. LoL.....and I thought the 10th anniversary movie will be something new, but single.... on the contrary...it'll be only the beginning of some cool 5D'S season with Paradox and probably the 3 main characters.

I think it depends how the distant future ties into this. If the future has been repaired in some way, Paradox perhaps wouldn't even have had to use time travel in the first place.

I could see him using a "purified" deck depending on the circumstances. Virtue Monsters, perhaps? XD

That's what I'm saying. And you're right, they may not necessarily "know" him, but his effect on the timeline would be instantaneous. You couldn't really..."undo" that by defeating him in a duel further in the past. He's already effected history by popping up with monsters from the future that didn't exist in that time period. And if its that influence that's a threat to stability, then beating him in a duel would not fix that, unless he's the source of a temporal paradox that results in the future being destroyed and thus, his direct actions are the cause and stopping him, stops the paradox.

See what I'm saying? If Paradox's actions aren't the result of a temporal paradox, then whats the point in killing him? The chain of events aren't really fixed.

*nod* Yep, I see it.

Well... He could have to be killed because he's the "I'm a bad guy and I have to die" dude. Or because we need tragedy! (After all, he does wear a tragedy/comedy mask...) After all, Pegasus was killed off in a rather ruthless manner at the end of Duelist Kingdom as well even though it seemed like he was spared. But yeah, I see what you mean.

I wouldn't think that beating Paradox in Yugi's past would necessarily "fix" what he did in GX's era. The damage in Venice would be done. But...since the movie's ending tells us that they fixed time with Paradox's defeat, then the damage of everything else in GX's era due to Paradox's time travel would be fixed. (Although, it would also depend on where in time Judai came back to..if it was before he went back in time with Yusei, then it may never have even happened...but if its after..then the physical damage would be done, but nothing else.)

See, if Paradox's defeat lead to history "fixing" itself, and the future no longer being blown to hell thanks to his plot to destroy duel monsters, all the events would kinda be undone. Because the catalyst for Paradox to undertake his plot (the destruction of the future) would no longer have happened. Because he was defeated.

Are we sure time was fixed? The summary only mentions the protagonists promising they'll protect the future and still have to do things in the future. We'd need to see the movie to see it for real if the damage was repaired or kept, I think...

Well, if somehow they tell us that something else, caused the future to be ruined, then I wouldn't be surprised if it was some widespread cataclysm. Isn't that how it always happens? XD

Of course! Whether it's a giant space parasite or technological fail, it always happens! =D

So then he's not really trying to save the future anymore, he's trying to euthanize it.

I mean, if his goal is to make the future no longer destined for destruction, then that would mean ensuring it didn't get destroyed. If he's going around trying to kill people and kill them before the future happens...that's not really saving anything. That's just sparing them pain. I mean, that wouldn't really make him a person who has good intentions or trying to save his era/time at all.

If we take into consideration and assume what Darkness said is truth ("The will of one human cannot change this world." / "This is the future! This is unavoidable destiny!"), then nothing can be done to prevent the bad future from happening. In that case, most that Paradox do is spare people from all the suffering (or alternately, if mankind is that wicked, get rid of all of them in a simpler way).

Although Paradox did mention he's here to "change the hopeless future", which implies he wants to make the future better. The whole erasure thing was a possibility - he could have meant to make the future better without the hard way (eg. the reunion of Satellite and Neo Domino) or without all the suffering (Paradox's future).

Yeah, they'd certainly be wicked. But even then, what Darkness spoke of is just reality in and of itself. No matter what happens, there will always be villains or weak people who threaten the safety of everyone, using duel monsters. I mean, heck...5Ds showed that his prophecy was true. The Zero Reverse incident wouldn't have happened had the Earthbound Gods not seized hold of Rudger, and wormed their way into the darkness of his heart. Which in turn was somewhat prompted by Yilaster in the first place. I mean, that right there shows that what Darkness said was true. It's an endless cycle, in a sense.

*nod* I agree with you. There will be always people to abuse Duel Monsters, especially those who might happen to know what it actually is. (That is, more than just a card game.)

So by defeating him, they cease the destruction in the future, and save everything. As for if the damage remained, well..I would think that the summaries would speak of something that significant, like Yusei coming back to his time period and Jack Atlas screaming, "Idiot! Why didn't you defeat Paradox?!" and Yusei going "But I did!" and they all go, "But the world's still disintegrating! Nothing's fixed!" with Yusei falling to his knees and panicking.

Hmm, right. But a summary is still a summary. Also, the world doesn't have to go on disintegrating, the damage could still stay. Or it just wasn't shown whether the damage was repaired. Or it was shown for a moment and the summary writers overlooked it.

See, in Domino City you have three career choices. You either go into a Duel Academy to be a pro duelist, you go to Kaiba Corp and work for them, or you become an insurance claims investigator. Looking into the numerous injuries and deaths caused by a card game's brutal and reckless "Solid Vision" system. It's the only way to make a living.

XD

What about card designers? Oh right, they all get killed or turn insane...

Ahh that would be cool. That's a really awesome site btw.

It is! It's amazing how thorough they are with the game. It's really inspiring for writing analyses. And if you need to sort something out with time travel, some of their analyses are quite useful (eg. Time Bastard). =D

Yeah, that's pretty intense. I haven't played Chrono Cross in so long though. I need to get the DS version of it and replay it XD

You need to, yes! You'd enjoy it, I'm sure~

Yeah, with Season 3, it became official. YGO 5Ds is basically "The Terminator" series, except with card games instead of big guns and a missile defense system. Soon, Skynet the Infinity Emperors will become self aware, aiming all of the nuclear missles riding roids at important global targets, and wage war with the world governments the Signers, and the Terminators Infinity Trio are there to ensure it happens and that John Conner Yusei Fudo doesn't mount a resistance that defeats the cybernetic enemies of humanity. Kyle Reese Dark Glass was sent to the past by Connor Yusei in order to protect him from being assassinated in the past, and thus dooming humanity in the future. It all makes sense now.

Hahahah! That's awesome. XD

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I have been wondering, though... if Paradox is related to Yliaster or Yliaster were responsible for the bad future, why did he go for Yusei and the other protagonists instead of, say, the Tenor Trio? I mean, if things like Yugi sharing his body with an ancient pharaoh is a known fact, then such a thing would be also known, unless Yliaster covered up all their doings efficiently. Or, if Paradox was related to them, they could easily wipe his memories of the organization or brainwash him.

And regarding when his identity would be revealed, the movie would have to have its run in the theaters end so that way it is made sure that everyone is familiar with the movie's plot.

Or what if Paradox is not a robot, but something else disguised as a human? Like some artificial being or some kind of power/possibility manifested as a human? It may explain how he survived the future's destruction. (After all, he is also a human. Why only he remained?).

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And now, some information:

This Pixiv Fanart contains a page on how Paradox is integrated into -or rather, connected to- Sin Truth Dragon. It doesn't show Sin Truth itself. (The artist also drew Paradox as a scientist~)

XYZ Dragon Cannon at Newwise BBS posted what seems like another theory post (Post 2064). I'm not sure what the translator says, so I'll look into it later with Heleentje, if she's up for it. She's on the way with finishing the last part of XYZ's huge infopost. She told me there's some interesting information about manga Ushio and 5D's Ushio(!), possibly from the 10th Anniversary Animation Book. I will make the post once she is done, please be patient~ :] Oh, and XYZ Dragon Cannon posted this picture:



Judai is browsing Janime and Newwise BBS? I can see my avatar... I'm not sure what the other forum is. Oh XYZ. XD

Over at TV Tropes, a Just Bugs Me and a Wild Mass Guessing section have been made for the 10th Anniversary Movie, if anyone is interested in sharing their thoughts. An Unknown Troper had this answer on why Paradox killed Pegasus in the "wrong" period:

Maybe he assumed that without Pegasus, Industrial Illusions would collapse and Duel Monsters cards and paraphernalia would stop being manufactured- that, in essence, Industrial Illusions had No Ontological Inertia? If he was the last man on Earth, its not like anybody would have been around to give him an economics and business management course explaining how that wouldn't happen.

Why didn't I think of that? XD Pegasus is the person who oversees card production (like whether the cards are balanced enough) and he's the CEO of I2. Without him, the company would collapse, and I2 is the only company who can release and produce Duel Monsters cards. To quote the Pyramid of Light novel:

Only Industrial Illusions can release official Duel Monsters cards. Kaiba Corporation is permitted to the division which deals with scanning the information on the IC chips embedded in dueling cards and projecting their image.

One could bring up Yugioh R here with the whole heir deal, but that's the manga continuity, not the anime one. But that would make sense. Thank you, Unknown Troper! (Unless it was someone from the forum...)

[Allana]

Arynis, on the second picture It seems is your avatar.

I see Paradox like a human even he has strange eyebrow.

For the moment, we don't he is become Placido's army. Maybe the Tenor Trio wants destroy just Synchro Monsters ? I heard certain players explains they hate Synchro Monsters because they are too easy to summon andvery powerful. Perhaps they wants destroy them for the same reason ?

Maybe Duel Monsters had caused tragedy on Paradox, destroying his life. His intention to kill Pegasus in this case is explains: he wants to kill the one who is responsible of the destruction of his life.

[tori_yugio4ever]

Maybe Duel Monsters had caused tragedy on Paradox, destroying his life. His intention to kill Pegasus in this case is explains: he wants to kill the one who is responsible of the destruction of his life.

That makes sense... although I don't think Paradox should take it out on the creator of the card game Duel Monsters. What ever terrible events happened to him, happened because of the person who used the Duel Monsters card game in a destrustive way towards Paradox. Which could mean that the person could just hurt another way other using the card game even if he stop Duel Monsters from becoming a big hit.

[Makoeyes987]

Well... He could have to be killed because he's the "I'm a bad guy and I have to die" dude. Or because we need tragedy! (After all, he does wear a tragedy/comedy mask...) After all, Pegasus was killed off in a rather ruthless manner at the end of Duelist Kingdom as well even though it seemed like he was spared. But yeah, I see what you mean.

Well that wouldn't make any plot relevant sense, and would basically be an unnecessary killing of his character XD

And heck, the fact the guy's all alone in a barren future... that's tragedy enough. Him getting killed off and it not even fixing anything would be the ultimate kick to the nuts.

Pegasus was killed off in a ruthless manner because karma came to bite him in the neck, and Takahashi intended for him to be reunited with the woman he loved and wanted to be with anyways, so in the end it worked out for Pegasus. He had fulfilled his role in life. It was the curse and tragedy of the Millennium Items at work, in his sad case.

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Are we sure time was fixed? The summary only mentions the protagonists promising they'll protect the future and still have to do things in the future. We'd need to see the movie to see it for real if the damage was repaired or kept, I think...

Well I guess we'll only know for sure until we see it, but I'd think collateral, existential damage would be pretty important to mention.

Of course! Whether it's a giant space parasite or technological fail, it always happens! =D

Don't forget intergalactic, sentient light as well.

If we take into consideration and assume what Darkness said is truth ("The will of one human cannot change this world." / "This is the future! This is unavoidable destiny!"), then nothing can be done to prevent the bad future from happening. In that case, most that Paradox do is spare people from all the suffering (or alternately, if mankind is that wicked, get rid of all of them in a simpler way).

Although Paradox did mention he's here to "change the hopeless future", which implies he wants to make the future better. The whole erasure thing was a possibility - he could have meant to make the future better without the hard way (eg. the reunion of Satellite and Neo Domino) or without all the suffering (Paradox's future).

Yeah, you made my point for me. If he's talking about changing things from the "hopeless future" that doesn't quite mesh with him being a euthanizer.

Hmm, right. But a summary is still a summary. Also, the world doesn't have to go on disintegrating, the damage could still stay. Or it just wasn't shown whether the damage was repaired. Or it was shown for a moment and the summary writers overlooked it.

Well the main damage I was concerned about was the damage to the future that would result in the future crumbling away and being destroyed thanks to the time insanity.

XD

What about card designers? Oh right, they all get killed or turn insane...

Yup. Edo's dad definitely agrees with you there.

Hahahah! That's awesome. XD

It's certainly amusing, and has potential. XD

I have been wondering, though... if Paradox is related to Yliaster or Yliaster were responsible for the bad future, why did he go for Yusei and the other protagonists instead of, say, the Tenor Trio? I mean, if things like Yugi sharing his body with an ancient pharaoh is a known fact, then such a thing would be also known, unless Yliaster covered up all their doings efficiently. Or, if Paradox was related to them, they could easily wipe his memories of the organization or brainwash him.

I suppose, but I don't really think Yilaster is behind him. At least, in the sense he's working for them. I don't think Paradox works for anybody.

XYZ Dragon Cannon at Newwise BBS posted what seems like another theory post (Post 2064). I'm not sure what the translator says, so I'll look into it later with Heleentje, if she's up for it. She's on the way with finishing the last part of XYZ's huge infopost. She told me there's some interesting information about manga Ushio and 5D's Ushio(!), possibly from the 10th Anniversary Animation Book. I will make the post once she is done, please be patient~ :] Oh, and XYZ Dragon Cannon posted this picture:



Judai is browsing Janime and Newwise BBS? I can see my avatar... I'm not sure what the other forum is. Oh XYZ. XD

LOL thats cute. And wow, so now we'll know for sure if Ushio is really the same guy from YGO's manga?

Over at TV Tropes, a Just Bugs Me and a Wild Mass Guessing section have been made for the 10th Anniversary Movie, if anyone is interested in sharing their thoughts. An Unknown Troper had this answer on why Paradox killed Pegasus in the "wrong" period:



Why didn't I think of that? XD Pegasus is the person who oversees card production (like whether the cards are balanced enough) and he's the CEO of I2. Without him, the company would collapse, and I2 is the only company who can release and produce Duel Monsters cards. To quote the Pyramid of Light novel:



One could bring up Yugioh R here with the whole heir deal, but that's the manga continuity, not the anime one. But that would make sense. Thank you, Unknown Troper! (Unless it was someone from the forum...)

I always figured that he chose to kill Pegasus at that time period because if he did it at that exact time after his defeat in Duelist Kingdom, the sheer tragedy of the disaster, coupled with Pegasus getting his ass handed to him at Duelist Kingdom, would cause I2 to eventually fold due to the shares of the company just plummeting and its CEO who has no family or heirs, being essentially murdered. The company would be left in chaos and with all the shit happening, nothing would be left to run anymore.

And I'm sure Paradox would continue just blowing crap up as well.

[Allana]

That makes sense... although I don't think Paradox should take it out on the creator of the card game Duel Monsters. What ever terrible events happened to him, happened because of the person who used the Duel Monsters card game in a destrustive way towards Paradox. Which could mean that the person could just hurt another way other using the card game even if he stop Duel Monsters from becoming a big hit.

What happen to him ? Something which make him angry, alone and created his Psychics Powers. Usually, again in psychology, persons can sometimes considers the responsible of things isn't itself but someone other: It's his fault If this or this is happenned.

[tori_yugio4ever]

What happen to him ? Something which make him angry, alone and created his Psychics Powers. Usually, again in psychology, persons can sometimes considers the responsible of things isn't itself but someone other: It's his fault If this or this is happenned.

You know... I think that Paradox should take most of the blame or fault, but however I think I need to watch the movie myself, before I decide or asume anything about Paradox. I'm actually talking out in the air here sort of speak...I think I need a better understanding of Paradox's character.

[Arynis]

Arynis, on the second picture It seems is your avatar.

I see Paradox like a human even he has strange eyebrow.

For the moment, we don't he is become Placido's army. Maybe the Tenor Trio wants destroy just Synchro Monsters ? I heard certain players explains they hate Synchro Monsters because they are too easy to summon andvery powerful. Perhaps they wants destroy them for the same reason ?

Maybe Duel Monsters had caused tragedy on Paradox, destroying his life. His intention to kill Pegasus in this case is explains: he wants to kill the one who is responsible of the destruction of his life.

Yeah, it is. XD

To be honest, deep inside I'd like him to be just an actual human, even if brought into existence by some odd means. A lone human trying to combat against the act of wicked humans (the people who destroyed the future with Duel Monsters) seems more appealing than some force combating against other humans. Alternately, Paradox could be a human infused with the power of [something], similarly to how Judai is armed with the Power of Gentle Darkness.

I've heard of that. But then, why do they wish to stop "evolution"? Perhaps Duel Monsters is evolving in a direction which eventually results in the future getting destroyed?

That makes sense... although I don't think Paradox should take it out on the creator of the card game Duel Monsters. What ever terrible events happened to him, happened because of the person who used the Duel Monsters card game in a destrustive way towards Paradox. Which could mean that the person could just hurt another way other using the card game even if he stop Duel Monsters from becoming a big hit.

It would make more sense for Paradox to take out revenge on those who abused Duel Monsters, but those people are dead by that time. Also, he doesn't know exactly who abused Duel Monsters. He might find it simpler to go ahead and destroy the sourse of Duel Monsters -Pegasus- instead.

Well that wouldn't make any plot relevant sense, and would basically be an unnecessary killing of his character XD

And heck, the fact the guy's all alone in a barren future... that's tragedy enough. Him getting killed off and it not even fixing anything would be the ultimate kick to the nuts.

Pegasus was killed off in a ruthless manner because karma came to bite him in the neck, and Takahashi intended for him to be reunited with the woman he loved and wanted to be with anyways, so in the end it worked out for Pegasus. He had fulfilled his role in life. It was the curse and tragedy of the Millennium Items at work, in his sad case.

Yeah, that's true. Hence why he's one of the biggest Woobies in the series. And if the writers are sadistic enough, why not? XD *shot*

That's true, too. Although Dark Marik died as well (or more like, eliminated). Dark Bakura was also killed off. But since they were more like parasitic (Dark Bakura) or a split personality (Dark Marik), their hosts stayed alive. Sometimes that gives me the impression that "only" Pegasus was killed.

Well I guess we'll only know for sure until we see it, but I'd think collateral, existential damage would be pretty important to mention.

Indeed. Let's wait for the movie!~

Don't forget intergalactic, sentient light as well.

Oh yeah, can't forget poor, poor Light of Destruction... Before it comes and brainwashes me for not menitoning it. :V

Yeah, you made my point for me. If he's talking about changing things from the "hopeless future" that doesn't quite mesh with him being a euthanizer.

*nod* True.

Well the main damage I was concerned about was the damage to the future that would result in the future crumbling away and being destroyed thanks to the time insanity.

Hmm, yeah. Maybe we'll see through this whole corruption thing better if we see the movie.

I suppose, but I don't really think Yilaster is behind him. At least, in the sense he's working for them. I don't think Paradox works for anybody.

Yeah, Paradox strikes me as a man who wants to change things himself.

LOL thats cute. And wow, so now we'll know for sure if Ushio is really the same guy from YGO's manga?

I'm not certain yet, but Heleentje noted it was "really interesting". As soon as I receive the translation from her, it will be posted (unless she posts it herself).

I always figured that he chose to kill Pegasus at that time period because if he did it at that exact time after his defeat in Duelist Kingdom, the sheer tragedy of the disaster, coupled with Pegasus getting his ass handed to him at Duelist Kingdom, would cause I2 to eventually fold due to the shares of the company just plummeting and its CEO who has no family or heirs, being essentially murdered. The company would be left in chaos and with all the shit happening, nothing would be left to run anymore.

And I'm sure Paradox would continue just blowing crap up as well.

Good point. I suppose I wanted his death to come with EPIC consequences (including a paradox which would make the timeline go poof). Ah well. XD

[Makoeyes987]

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Yeah, that's true. Hence why he's one of the biggest Woobies in the series. And if the writers are sadistic enough, why not? XD *shot*

That's true, too. Although Dark Marik died as well (or more like, eliminated). Dark Bakura was also killed off. But since they were more like parasitic (Dark Bakura) or a split personality (Dark Marik), their hosts stayed alive. Sometimes that gives me the impression that "only" Pegasus was killed.

See, if Paradox is gonna die, I want him to die for a reason that makes thematic sense and gives narrative catharsis and conclusion. If he's gonna be the big bad, and source of the calamity, I'd want his death to actually end something and be significant, rather than just...a meaningless sacrifice. Because, considering his past, and the reasoning behind his character, it'd be pretty anti-climactic and wasteful to have him basically die a mook's death.

Oh yeah, can't forget poor, poor Light of Destruction... Before it comes and brainwashes me for not menitoning it. :V

Incidentally, that was probably one of the strangest and most jarring "enemy" out of GX. Well its either that or Trueman/Darkness. XD

I'm not certain yet, but Heleentje noted it was "really interesting". As soon as I receive the translation from her, it will be posted (unless she posts it herself).

...Interesting? Well jeez, here I was thinking it'd either be confirmation that its Ushio from Chapter 1 of YGO, his son, or just a person who coincidentally looks and has the same name as the YGO Ushio.

Good point. I suppose I wanted his death to come with EPIC consequences (including a paradox which would make the timeline go poof). Ah well. XD

Well it looks like his death held some epic consequences in terms of the whole destruction of the future and everything.

[Arynis]

See, if Paradox is gonna die, I want him to die for a reason that makes thematic sense and gives narrative catharsis and conclusion. If he's gonna be the big bad, and source of the calamity, I'd want his death to actually end something and be significant, rather than just...a meaningless sacrifice. Because, considering his past, and the reasoning behind his character, it'd be pretty anti-climactic and wasteful to have him basically die a mook's death.

Yeah, I can see what you mean, and I agree. Paradox being a mook would be rather stupid, especially after the whole "greatest enemy" hype. I was just saying the writers could pull that move in theory.

And yeah, catharsis. I liked Pegasus dying because I felt there was closure, but Paradox's death doesn't feel like one to me - probably because we know so little about him (at the time) and I find that disappointing. Especially when you have such an interesting character as him. We know he was fighting for the future and he was alone, but his story doesn't feel full, which makes one feel unable to identify with his causes. I mean, in Pegasus' case, we knew exactly what he was fighting for, who he was and how he got there. In Paradox's case, we were pretty much left in the dark... Er... I hope that made sense. XD;

Incidentally, that was probably one of the strangest and most jarring "enemy" out of GX. Well its either that or Trueman/Darkness. XD

... ;_; But Darkness was awesome. He oozes of metaphors and symbolism. *pets him*

...Interesting? Well jeez, here I was thinking it'd either be confirmation that its Ushio from Chapter 1 of YGO, his son, or just a person who coincidentally looks and has the same name as the YGO Ushio.

It may be one, it may not be one. We'll see. :]

Well it looks like his death held some epic consequences in terms of the whole destruction of the future and everything.

True that. But in my headcanon, I saw Paradox going up to Pegasus and maybe question him on why he created Duel Monsters and doomed mankind. Some kind of a hot conversation, Paradox and Pegasus arguing against each other. (And I pretty much see Paradox and Pegasus as the antithesis of each other, so...) Then again, his emotions may have clouded his mind too much and would've went on killing him straight anyway.

[Arynis]

(Sorry for the double post, but I wanted this to be more separate from my previous reply. If this is a problem, I'll merge this post with my previous reply.)

Heleentje is finished with the translation! Here is the last part of XYZ Dragon Cannon's humongous movie post!

By the looks of it, this is more like speculation, though. Sorry. But it still looks very interesting!

Credits go to XYZ Dragon Cannon obviously, translation by Heleentje~

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终结者 牛尾哲!?
Finally, Ushio Tetsu!?

[众人能发觉星尘袭击欧洲是历史的异变 就说明历史异变对记忆并未有影响 他们的记忆中没有这件事
有关游戏的记忆并没有任何改变 所以这里的"只能靠穿越来决斗" 应该不是因为帕拉多克斯杀死游戏
由于这次剧场版中表游戏被确定为"只能靠穿越来决斗的古人" 牛尾哲也终于成为了BUG般的存在
I’m skipping this first part because a) it’s not terribly relevant (something about the attack on Europe by Stardust), and b) I have no idea how to translate it, even after consulting Google translate]

1 Miho Nosaka(野坂 ミホ)
2 Tomoya Hanasaki(花咲 友也)
3 Kouji Nagumo (名蜘蛛 コージ)
4 Gorou Inogasira(猪頭 吾郎)
5 Tetsu Ushio(牛尾 哲)
6 Hajime Imori(井守 はじめ)
7 Kaoruko Himekouji(姫小路 薫子)
8 Risa Kageyama(影山 リサ)

有些人认为牛尾哲未必是DM的牛尾学长 而牛尾学长也一直都只有姓(牛尾)而没有名
牛尾哲的名字在GX首次出现 因为前后都是原作和朝日版的旧人名 可以肯定这就是DM的牛尾学长
GX和5DS的牛尾名字都是哲 很明显牛尾哲就是牛尾学长 连官方在杂志上也是这么声明

There are people who think that Ushio is not necessarily the Ushio from DM. That Ushio also only had a last name, and didn’t have a first name. Ushio Tetsu’s name appears for the first time in GX. Because before and after it, there are names of people we know, it might be the Ushio from DM. The first name of Ushio is Tetsu in both GX and 5Ds. It’s very clear that Ushio Tetsu is the Ushio from DM; even the official magazine announces it.


自从5DS中的新童实野市被确定为17年前已存在时开始 牛尾的年龄真相就越来越深不可测了

But ever since the city of Neo Domino was created in 5Ds, 17 years ago, Ushio’s age is becoming a bigger and bigger mystery
因为GX最终回是DM的11年后 而当年的童实野町依然存在 所以初步推断5DS起码也是20多年后

Because GX took place more or less 11 years after DM and Domino City still existed, we can deduce 5Ds takes place at least 20 years later

DM是1996的话 5DS就是2030左右 牛尾差不多是50岁的老伯 但事实上却被孩子们称为大哥哥

If DM started in 1996, then 5Ds takes place in 2030 more or less. Ushio’s age is then more or less 50. But he’s known as a kind of older brother for the kids.


又有人推测 5DS是GX的平行世界 这样能最大程度缩小DM和5DS相隔的时间 牛尾就只有30岁左右

There are also people who think 5Ds is a kind of parallel World to GX. This way, we only have to account for the difference between DM and 5Ds and Ushio would be about 30 [actually, if my math doesn’t completely suck, I think XYZ made a mistake here and he should be around 40]

但这次剧场版彻底推翻了这种假说 5DS不仅是GX之后 还是"表游戏都只能靠穿越来决斗"的遥远未来

But the movie overthrew this hypothesis: 5Ds does take place after GX [and a part I can’t translate which I hope isn’t terribly important]

牛尾学长明明比表游戏还老 现在却还被孩子们称为大哥哥 表游戏反而是教科书级的历史古人了

Ushio was clearly older than Yugi. But he still acts like an older brother for the protagonists. On the contrary, Yugi is a person in the dueling history books.

对这种现象我只想到这几种解释
1.牛尾保养好
2.牛尾在什么睡眠装置里被冷冻了数十年
3.牛尾是从GX穿越到5DS去的时间旅行者(帕拉多克斯数年前就留的伏笔?)
4.睁一眼闭一眼的黑历史大悲剧

Considering these facts, I can come up with these theories:

1. Ushio grew old very well
2. Ushio was brought to sleep and cryogenically frozen for 10 years
3. Ushio is a time-traveler who traveled from GX to 5Ds (perhaps Paradox paved the way earlier?)
4. A blind eye was turned towards some of the facts [I think. Not clear on this last part]

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, I can see what you mean, and I agree. Paradox being a mook would be rather stupid, especially after the whole "greatest enemy" hype. I was just saying the writers could pull that move in theory.

And yeah, catharsis. I liked Pegasus dying because I felt there was closure, but Paradox's death doesn't feel like one to me - probably because we know so little about him (at the time) and I find that disappointing. Especially when you have such an interesting character as him. We know he was fighting for the future and he was alone, but his story doesn't feel full, which makes one feel unable to identify with his causes. I mean, in Pegasus' case, we knew exactly what he was fighting for, who he was and how he got there. In Paradox's case, we were pretty much left in the dark... Er... I hope that made sense. XD;

Yeah, you summed up my thoughts pretty well. ^^

... ;_; But Darkness was awesome. He oozes of metaphors and symbolism. *pets him*

Ehhhh....maybe if he literally didn't come out of a thematic black hole, and replace Trueman as the big bad of the season, yeah. But he literally flew in from no where. And wasn't the whole lead in from Season 3 about Yubel and Judai working together to take on the true threat from the Light of Destruction? Their destined enemy? It just seemed strange that they built up the threat from the Light, and then all of a sudden its *true* darkness stemming from an Agent Smith-esque card phantom, who then gets replaced by the missing Obelisk Blue student no one ever heard before, who THEN gets replaced by the giant goat head phantom of hell who suddenly reveals he was behind..EVERYTHING. I mean, it just was like there three different men behind the curtain. XD

And I guess I just got kinda tired of these hulking giant overlords of darkness constantly popping up. The original one was Zorc Necrophades. Then we get Darkness. Then in 5Ds we get the "King of the Underworld" (...and wasn't that what Zorc was in the first place?) It's like..how many dark overlords from the world of darkness ARE there?!

True that. But in my headcanon, I saw Paradox going up to Pegasus and maybe question him on why he created Duel Monsters and doomed mankind. Some kind of a hot conversation, Paradox and Pegasus arguing against each other. (And I pretty much see Paradox and Pegasus as the antithesis of each other, so...) Then again, his emotions may have clouded his mind too much and would've went on killing him straight anyway.

Pegasus would go, "LOL my eye and the funny man in the turban told me to do it, desu~" And Paradox would probably just rage.

@the info regarding Ushio Arynis so graciously posted and translated

....So basically even the creators don't even know how to justify or reconcile Ushio's appearance with 5Ds. ROTFL, good one guys. Good one.

I think Ushio being cryogenically frozen for...whatever reason...(maybe in hopes of him finding a cure for his "Greed" Penalty Game, lulz) would make the most sense, and not lead to brain breakage.

The book doesn't give ANY definitive answer? That's so stupid.

[Ryusaki]

Interesting summation on the age of Ushio by Mr. XYZ there. Thanks for translating, Heleentje. The fact that in the movie Yugi seems to be a legendary duelist of the past makes Ushio's presence ever more mystifying.

[Makoeyes987]

Interesting summation on the age of Ushio by Mr. XYZ there. Thanks for translating, Heleentje. The fact that in the movie Yugi seems to be a legendary duelist of the past makes Ushio's presence ever more mystifying.

Well if whats said comes out of the book, then yeah. It certainly is bizarre. I think the cryogenic freezing theory makes the most sense. It's the only way he'd be able to be around now.

....And now I wonder if there are any other characters frozen in Neo Domino in 5Ds's timeline...

[Arynis]

Yeah, you summed up my thoughts pretty well. ^^

=D

Ehhhh....maybe if he literally didn't come out of a thematic black hole, and replace Trueman as the big bad of the season, yeah. But he literally flew in from no where. And wasn't the whole lead in from Season 3 about Yubel and Judai working together to take on the true threat from the Light of Destruction? Their destined enemy? It just seemed strange that they built up the threat from the Light, and then all of a sudden its *true* darkness stemming from an Agent Smith-esque card phantom, who then gets replaced by the missing Obelisk Blue student no one ever heard before, who THEN gets replaced by the giant goat head phantom of hell who suddenly reveals he was behind..EVERYTHING. I mean, it just was like there three different men behind the curtain. XD

And I guess I just got kinda tired of these hulking giant overlords of darkness constantly popping up. The original one was Zorc Necrophades. Then we get Darkness. Then in 5Ds we get the "King of the Underworld" (...and wasn't that what Zorc was in the first place?) It's like..how many dark overlords from the world of darkness ARE there?!

Yeah, I see what you mean. But I liked the idea behind Darkness either way.

You can never have enough Dark Overlords! XD

Pegasus would go, "LOL my eye and the funny man in the turban told me to do it, desu~" And Paradox would probably just rage.

Spoiler: I just HAD TO do this...

@the info regarding Ushio Arynis so graciously posted and translated

....So basically even the creators don't even know how to justify or reconcile Ushio's appearance with 5Ds. ROTFL, good one guys. Good one.

I think Ushio being cryogenically frozen for...whatever reason...(maybe in hopes of him finding a cure for his "Greed" Penalty Game, lulz) would make the most sense, and not lead to brain breakage.

The book doesn't give ANY definitive answer? That's so stupid.

Actually, I'm not sure if it comes from the book. I assumed it did because I never saw that particular Ushio scan before. Could anyone with the Animation Book in their possession confirm if that Ushio picture is in the book?

[remaner]

My hypotesis: Paradox kidnapped Ushio and took him to the 5d's era just to test his motorbike. And because he was bored.

[Heleentje]

Interesting summation on the age of Ushio by Mr. XYZ there. Thanks for translating, Heleentje. The fact that in the movie Yugi seems to be a legendary duelist of the past makes Ushio's presence ever more mystifying.

No problem! I try my best but my knowledge fails me sometimes, so while I think the translations are more or less accurate, please take it with a grain of salt. Moreover, if I'm right, XYZ also based himself on Japanese summaries, meaning parts of this are translations of translations...

=D





Actually, I'm not sure if it comes from the book. I assumed it did because I never saw that particular Ushio scan before. Could anyone with the Animation Book in their possession confirm if that Ushio picture is in the book?

The Chinese text definitely says 'official', but I had some grammar trouble with that sentence, so once again, don't take my word on it ^^; Either way, it's interesting. The Yugi remark was especially poignant for me. How come Yugi is a chapter in the history books yet Ushio is alive and kickin'? (Unless Yugi died at an early age). In the same vein, no one mentions Kaiba either, and he had a pretty big influence on, well, everything. For him to be forgotten that fast, along with Yugi... Yeah, definitely weird.

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, I see what you mean. But I liked the idea behind Darkness either way.

I think Darkness would've been a lot cooler and more relevant to the plot, if he were the representation of the Light of Destruction, because isn't the strife he's behind in terms of world history and destruction, the exact same thing Pegasus said the Light of Destruction was behind in Season 2? I mean, all that he says and is a part of (being around since the beginning of creation, threatening the world of duel monsters, witnessing human strife and prompting it, etc) is all what the Light of Destruction did. So its like...are they working together..or are these two big bads crouching in on their turf? XD

I will say that Darkness had a great character design though. However, I would've made his wings more like his ace monster "Darkness Neosphere" than small-ish bat wings he had. Darkness Neosphere looked awesome.

[quote]You can never have enough Dark Overlords! XD

I'm sure somewhere out there Zorc Necrophades is crossing his arms and going, "hmph!"

Spoiler: I just HAD TO do this...

OMFG, WHY CAN'T I REP YOU ANYMORE. DANGIT!

That..is so much win. I...I gotta save that. Seriously. XDDDDD

That's just ****ing hilarious. LOLOL

Actually, I'm not sure if it comes from the book. I assumed it did because I never saw that particular Ushio scan before. Could anyone with the Animation Book in their possession confirm if that Ushio picture is in the book?

Ahh, okay. Well I hope it gets confirmed soon. Ushio freezing himself just strikes me as utterly lawltastic.

[bad2thebone]

at least our poor unfavored friend Zorc had his own TV show with Zorc and Pals where he destroyed the world (abridged yugioh anyone?) Not quite sure what Darkness' show would be about other than... darkness. I mean, Zorc had his pals, but Darkness just had Truemans... Maybe they can go into talks together and create a whole new spin-off series...
:p

[Wslasher]

If I may ask, does anyone know how where I can find what this movie standing in the box office in Japan??

[Lia]

If I may ask, does anyone know how where I can find what this movie standing in the box office in Japan??

For the first week of its premiere it was holding the 7th place out of top 10 in the official Japanese Box Office. It was published here in Variety.com -[ http://www.variety.com/index.asp?lay...country=Japan] The movie earned over a million $, but I don't remember the right amount of money. Unfortunatelly, after the first week in the Box Ofiice, the movie just dropped off. Anyway, we hope for it to return, but who knows! Variety.com is updated every week, I think, so we'll just keep an aye on it.

[Donovantx8]

Ushio is an investigator, maybe he himself fell through a timeslip and wound up in a different era, I think when the time comes Ushio will somehow be the link between the past and future, why else even bother messing up your story line for a character, who in the original DM, served such a insignificant role.

Or maybe Yugi's Mind Crush sent him into the Future :3.

[Allana]

(Sorry for the double post, but I wanted this to be more separate from my previous reply. If this is a problem, I'll merge this post with my previous reply.)

Heleentje is finished with the translation! Here is the last part of XYZ Dragon Cannon's humongous movie post!

By the looks of it, this is more like speculation, though. Sorry. But it still looks very interesting!

Credits go to XYZ Dragon Cannon obviously, translation by Heleentje~

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终结者 牛尾哲!?
Finally, Ushio Tetsu!?

[众人能发觉星尘袭击欧洲是历史的异变 就说明历史异变对记忆并未有影响 他们的记忆中没有这件事
有关游戏的记忆并没有任何改变 所以这里的"只能靠穿越来决斗" 应该不是因为帕拉多克斯杀死游戏
由于这次剧场版中表游戏被确定为"只能靠穿越来决斗的古人" 牛尾哲也终于成为了BUG般的存在
I’m skipping this first part because a) it’s not terribly relevant (something about the attack on Europe by Stardust), and b) I have no idea how to translate it, even after consulting Google translate]

1 Miho Nosaka(野坂 ミホ)
2 Tomoya Hanasaki(花咲 友也)
3 Kouji Nagumo (名蜘蛛 コージ)
4 Gorou Inogasira(猪頭 吾郎)
5 Tetsu Ushio(牛尾 哲)
6 Hajime Imori(井守 はじめ)
7 Kaoruko Himekouji(姫小路 薫子)
8 Risa Kageyama(影山 リサ)

有些人认为牛尾哲未必是DM的牛尾学长 而牛尾学长也一直都只有姓(牛尾)而没有名
牛尾哲的名字在GX首次出现 因为前后都是原作和朝日版的旧人名 可以肯定这就是DM的牛尾学长
GX和5DS的牛尾名字都是哲 很明显牛尾哲就是牛尾学长 连官方在杂志上也是这么声明

There are people who think that Ushio is not necessarily the Ushio from DM. That Ushio also only had a last name, and didn’t have a first name. Ushio Tetsu’s name appears for the first time in GX. Because before and after it, there are names of people we know, it might be the Ushio from DM. The first name of Ushio is Tetsu in both GX and 5Ds. It’s very clear that Ushio Tetsu is the Ushio from DM; even the official magazine announces it.


自从5DS中的新童实野市被确定为17年前已存在时开始 牛尾的年龄真相就越来越深不可测了

But ever since the city of Neo Domino was created in 5Ds, 17 years ago, Ushio’s age is becoming a bigger and bigger mystery
因为GX最终回是DM的11年后 而当年的童实野町依然存在 所以初步推断5DS起码也是20多年后

Because GX took place more or less 11 years after DM and Domino City still existed, we can deduce 5Ds takes place at least 20 years later

DM是1996的话 5DS就是2030左右 牛尾差不多是50岁的老伯 但事实上却被孩子们称为大哥哥

If DM started in 1996, then 5Ds takes place in 2030 more or less. Ushio’s age is then more or less 50. But he’s known as a kind of older brother for the kids.


又有人推测 5DS是GX的平行世界 这样能最大程度缩小DM和5DS相隔的时间 牛尾就只有30岁左右

There are also people who think 5Ds is a kind of parallel World to GX. This way, we only have to account for the difference between DM and 5Ds and Ushio would be about 30 [actually, if my math doesn’t completely suck, I think XYZ made a mistake here and he should be around 40]

但这次剧场版彻底推翻了这种假说 5DS不仅是GX之后 还是"表游戏都只能靠穿越来决斗"的遥远未来

But the movie overthrew this hypothesis: 5Ds does take place after GX [and a part I can’t translate which I hope isn’t terribly important]

牛尾学长明明比表游戏还老 现在却还被孩子们称为大哥哥 表游戏反而是教科书级的历史古人了

Ushio was clearly older than Yugi. But he still acts like an older brother for the protagonists. On the contrary, Yugi is a person in the dueling history books.

对这种现象我只想到这几种解释
1.牛尾保养好
2.牛尾在什么睡眠装置里被冷冻了数十年
3.牛尾是从GX穿越到5DS去的时间旅行者(帕拉多克斯数年前就留的伏笔?)
4.睁一眼闭一眼的黑历史大悲剧

Considering these facts, I can come up with these theories:

1. Ushio grew old very well
2. Ushio was brought to sleep and cryogenically frozen for 10 years
3. Ushio is a time-traveler who traveled from GX to 5Ds (perhaps Paradox paved the way earlier?)
4. A blind eye was turned towards some of the facts [I think. Not clear on this last part]

If It's the same Ushio in DM and 5d's, he is young. Why the animation book give not a chronology ? All problems can be solved thanks to this.

[GoldenUmi]

If It's the same Ushio in DM and 5d's, he is young. Why the animation book give not a chronology ? All problems can be solved thanks to this.

There is a possibility this is that Ushio's son. Like father, like son. xd

[ESPerWingal]

There is a alt. opening (and obv going to be a ending too)

It's Yugi summoning Black Magician and Black Magician Girl.

I think then he uses the card that takes back Stardust and Paradox is all "WHAAAAAAAAAT" XD

EDIT: Alt. Ending is Summoning Sin Blue Eyes, Red Eyes and Stardust
And Yusei gets pwned again T.T

[Shadow_Kaiser]

Sin Paradox Dragon - http://tvde.web.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-b...5793996330.jpg
Paradox: Look ma, I'm Marik. - http://tvde.web.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-b...5793998585.jpg

[Adam5]

Actually, that's Sin Truth Dragon. Wow, finally. It looks badass.