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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon View Post
    Right. Forgot Jose's Duel Disc. Must go great at parties, eh?
    Ahahaha! Well, depends on what would an old man do at parties apart from sitting in some back room and observing others through their magic TV. Although Jose mentioned how Luciano reminds him of his younger days. It's hard to imagine him as a kid... Or a looker.

    Ah, I see.
    So no need to stop doing your current style. I find it pretty entertaining, actually. (Besides, Tropes Are Cool, we all know that. Just... potentially life... changing, so to speak.)

    It's the ultimate plan style: the Yliaster roulette! *Erased by Paradox*
    That should be a Trope -- a plan based on changing history! ...Unless it exists under some name already.

    As for the topic itself, as I mentioned in the Speculation Thread, I'd like to see a little expansion on the Nordic Gods at least, even if they are marketing fodder. The writers are doing fine with the Rune Eye and the monsters used by Dragan referencing mythology tied to Thor. I'd like to see a backstory on how Team Ragnarok got chosen to wield the Gods, perhaps, or what is the history of the Gods.

    Or in the worst case scenario, let's just have them fleshed out with those mythological support cards. That'll be better than nothing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Ahahaha! Well, depends on what would an old man do at parties apart from sitting in some back room and observing others through their magic TV. Although Jose mentioned how Luciano reminds him of his younger days. It's hard to imagine him as a kid... Or a looker.
    Maybe if he had another eyebrow... Damnit, Adam Savage!

    So no need to stop doing your current style. I find it pretty entertaining, actually. (Besides, Tropes Are Cool, we all know that. Just... potentially life... changing, so to speak.)
    Then I shall continue to do as I do.

    That should be a Trope -- a plan based on changing history! ...Unless it exists under some name already.

    I don't think it does, but I also don't know if there's enough examples of it to be classed as a trope.

    As for the topic itself, as I mentioned in the Speculation Thread, I'd like to see a little expansion on the Nordic Gods at least, even if they are marketing fodder. The writers are doing fine with the Rune Eye and the monsters used by Dragan referencing mythology tied to Thor. I'd like to see a backstory on how Team Ragnarok got chosen to wield the Gods, perhaps, or what is the history of the Gods.

    Or in the worst case scenario, let's just have them fleshed out with those mythological support cards. That'll be better than nothing.
    How about the irony that Norse Gods are being wielded by a team named after the war all Gods die in?

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    Would have been more clever if it wasn't already used as a contrived way to kill Ra.

    The point of this thread is to connect the mysticisms of the cards, right? If so, then just a quick recap of what we've established so far.

    DM)

    1) "Monsters" were extracted form the spirits of man and sealed within the stone tablets by Egyptian priests. Pegasus found these tablets and used it as a basis for his card game. The knowledge of this power comes from the Millenium Tome, so /somebody/ had this power before.

    2) If a duelists respects his cards and pours enough of his own heart and soul into them, the cards develope a very subtle kind of "life" and a connection to their owners.

    3) The cards have IC chips in them for some reason.

    4) Altantis had tablets of Duel Monsters in its ruins simillar to Egypt.

    5) The Orichalcos Seal draws its power from the Orichalchos stone and this is why it can steal souls.

    6) There exists spirit worlds in which duel monsters live in. The cards are "doors" to these worlds.

    GX)

    7) The Sengenma are the "ultimate" duel spirits.

    8) There are 11 dimensions other than our own. All of them seem to be inhabitted with humans and/or duel monster spirits, from what he have seen.

    5D's)

    9) The diety known as the Crimson Dragon and its servants battle the Earthbound Gods every 5000 years and this time around, Duel Monsters was the platform for that battle.

    10) Shooting star Dragon and the Machine Emperors are "gifts from God".

    11) Scar-Red Nova Dragon is the oldest and strongest Earthbound God captured by JACK ALTUS and made into an upgrade for his Signer Dragon.

    R)

    12) I never quite understood where the Devil Gods drew their power from, honestly. Umm... help? XD

    Manga GX)

    13) Winged Kuriboh and Light and Darkness Dragon are duel spirits that were created from the "white" ka after using the Feather of Ma'at in the riutual to seal Tragoedia.

    14) The planet series don't seem to have any mystic abilities just yet, but we'll see.

    Manga 5D's)

    15) Feel is only the output of solid vision the D-Wheel creates. The output varies based on the speed, direction, and overall handling of the D-Wheel.
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    Feel free to add to these, as I most likely missed something.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil_Yugi View Post
    Would have been more clever if it wasn't already used as a contrived way to kill Ra.
    We don't speak of that card here. Ever.


    The point of this thread is to connect the mysticisms of the cards, right? If so, then just a quick recap of what we've established so far.
    Sure, just don't be surprised if you kill yourself afterwards. XD

    DM)

    1) "Monsters" were extracted form the spirits of man and sealed within the stone tablets by Egyptian priests. Pegasus found these tablets and used it as a basis for his card game. The knowledge of this power comes from the Millenium Tome, so /somebody/ had this power before.
    Yes. Most duel monster spirits are Ka. Unless they're Gods like the God cards, Zorc Necrophades, and the Creator of Light.

    2) If a duelists respects his cards and pours enough of his own heart and soul into them, the cards develope a very subtle kind of "life" and a connection to their owners.
    Yes. See Jou and his Red Eyes Black Dragon.

    3) The cards have IC chips in them for some reason.
    Umm....sure. This doesn't really break anything so yeah.


    4) Altantis had tablets of Duel Monsters in its ruins simillar to Egypt.
    Umm... okay? But that breaks the original canon but...okay. o.0


    5) The Orichalcos Seal draws its power from the Orichalchos stone and this is why it can steal souls.
    Right..

    6) There exists spirit worlds in which duel monsters live in. The cards are "doors" to these worlds.
    .....That makes...no sense...but...


    GX)

    7) The Sengenma are the "ultimate" duel spirits.
    ...I love you for putting quotes around 'ultimate.' XDDDDDD


    8) There are 11 dimensions other than our own. All of them seem to be inhabitted with humans and/or duel monster spirits, from what he have seen.
    *levels a gun to his head with a sigh* Yes...

    5D's)

    9) The diety known as the Crimson Dragon and its servants battle the Earthbound Gods every 5000 years and this time around, Duel Monsters was the platform for that battle.
    Exactly.

    10) Shooting star Dragon and the Machine Emperors are "gifts from God".
    *cocks the gun* Yup...

    11) Scar-Red Nova Dragon is the oldest and strongest Earthbound God captured by JACK ALTUS and made into an upgrade for his Signer Dragon.
    *presses the barrel against his temple* It...is...yeah..

    R)

    12) I never quite understood where the Devil Gods drew their power from, honestly. Umm... help? XD
    They were created by Pegasus with the Millennium Eye as the dark versions of the God cards. He did so because he felt the God cards were too powerful and thought creating opposites to them would balance them out. They're basically like polar opposites of the God cards. Meaning they're evil. They are the shadows of the God cards in a sense. Meaning everything the God cards can do, they can do as well, as devils. Pegasus unintentionally birthed wicked beings of darkness by creating inverses of the God cards, basically. They exist because the God cards exist.

    Manga GX)

    13) Winged Kuriboh and Light and Darkness Dragon are duel spirits that were created from the "white" ka after using the Feather of Ma'at in the riutual to seal Tragoedia.
    Well Winged Kuriboh is the white ka...he just changed color after touching the darkness that was Tragoedia's heart. Light and Darkness Dragon was originally just a normal card until Winged Kuriboh gave it the Feather of Ma'at and brought it to life.

    14) The planet series don't seem to have any mystic abilities just yet, but we'll see.
    They don't. They're just a series of really powerful, legendary cards Principal Mackenzie wants to have as well.

    Manga 5D's)

    15) Feel is only the output of solid vision the D-Wheel creates. The output varies based on the speed, direction, and overall handling of the D-Wheel.
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    Feel free to add to these, as I most likely missed something.
    I think that's it. Phew..luckily I didn't want to kill myself! Yay!

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    Please don't kill yourself, Mako. We'd hate to lose one of the geeks here, now. XD You could try a glass of Chateau Pegasus instead. Wait, no. That'd be fatal, too...

    And Lil_Yugi, that's a great idea! Thank you for making that summary, I gave you reps as well.

    As for Doma (and the rest), canon breaking or not, it's nice to have them listed anyway. With contradicting origins, it's pretty impossible to come to a conclusion (we could choose to ignore it, but that goes against the thread's intent), so let's just keep them for reference.


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    3) The cards have IC chips in them for some reason.
    That's right. More specifically, according to the Pyramid of Light novelization:

    Only Industrial Illusions can release official Duel Monsters cards. Kaiba Corporation is permitted to the division which deals with scanning the information on the IC chips embedded in dueling cards and projecting their image.
    Pegasus was once an art student. When his lover died by an illness, he headed to Egypt in chase of legends which say that meeting the deceased is possible. It is there that he obtains the Millennium Eye, one of the Millennium Items. By deciphering the magic words kept hidden in Duel Monsters and converting them into IC chips, Pegasus made an enormous fortune.
    Basically, the IC chip is responsible for the mystical components of a card, as well as the image data, which is scanned into the IC chips by Kaiba Corporation.

    For GX (as well as DM), you could add that Duel Monsters (and in Ancient Egypt, the monster dwelling in the human) reflected their owner's personality and character, like a mirror.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Please don't kill yourself, Mako. We'd hate to lose one of the geeks here, now. XD You could try a glass of Chateau Pegasus instead. Wait, no. That'd be fatal, too...


    *Puts down bottle*

    What you talkin' bout?

    Basically, the IC chip is responsible for the mystical components of a card, as well as the image data, which is scanned into the IC chips by Kaiba Corporation.

    For GX (as well as DM), you could add that Duel Monsters (and in Ancient Egypt, the monster dwelling in the human) reflected their owner's personality and character, like a mirror.
    That's a given (the reflection part I mean); but yes.

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    3) The cards have IC chips in them for some reason.
    I'm going to assume "Millennium Eye's Fault". I might be wrong, but don't the items have some vague sense of life to a degree. Or at least the eye did. Idk. Alternatively Pegasus was preparing for "Wave of the Future". Or. Something. This is why no one likes Precognition, it's a headache and you ruin everyone's time.

    4) Altantis had tablets of Duel Monsters in its ruins simillar to Egypt. Umm...
    okay? But that breaks the original canon but...okay. o.0
    ... Well, if it helps, Egypt has often been identified, at least in Plato's sale of the story, as a colony of Atlantis.

    Tablet tech is from Atlantis before it sank, durka durka.

    This still doesn't explain the incongruity of the Mind Monsters and Yoshida's Duel Spirit Tolkeinverse.

    8) There are 11 dimensions other than our own. All of them seem to be inhabitted with humans and/or duel monster spirits, from what he have seen.
    And that Santa Claus is obviously from one of them. Because that would be stupid awesome.

    I'm also going to possibly consider that perhaps the Humans in the Duel Spirit Worlds, either monsters who are human, or they're humans who stumbled from our world into their world with gaps like the one that allowed Daito's special class to get trapped in Sand World/Gravekeeper Land.

    12) I never quite understood where the Devil Gods drew their power from, honestly. Umm... help? XD
    Itoh's sexy art style. Though, seriously, I don't think it was explained. Just sorta... "These cards have really nasty mojo like a mofo" was sort of the hand wave. They're God Cards and Itoh didn't need to explain anything further.

    14) The planet series don't seem to have any mystic abilities just yet, but we'll see.
    Just "The Despair Uranus" and I think that was MacKenzie merely using it as a conduit like Reggie and Dave's earrings.

    11) Scar-Red Nova Dragon is the oldest and strongest Earthbound God captured by JACK ALTUS and made into an upgrade for his Signer Dragon.
    *presses the barrel against his temple* It...is...yeah..
    Why should this cause you distress. The Earthbound Gods are merely negative human willpower, essentially. If this is so, it does help explain most evil gods in most religions. Just Scar-Red Nova was an older one from an older religion, probably.

    Mind you, Bomber's explanation of it was complete crockery. Doesn't invalidate it, and I think Scar-Red Nova minus his stupid as hell head was pretty cool.

    10) Shooting star Dragon and the Machine Emperors are "gifts from God".
    *cocks the gun* Yup...
    I'd ask the issue problem here, but I don't think you like Post-Technological Cyber-Entities. I can admit that combining the magic of YGO with future-tech is a bit of a headache, but I think the Transhumanism and Time-Travel is a really nice change-up.

    They don't. They're just a series of really powerful, legendary cards Principal Mackenzie wants to have as well.
    I'd suggest he wants to turn them into living Duel Spirits like himself, LADD, and WK, but I dunno. And wasn't LADD only made one due to the Feather of Ma'at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon View Post
    *Puts down bottle*

    What you talkin' bout?
    The Brron avatar makes that line even more priceless. XDb

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    I'm going to assume "Millennium Eye's Fault". I might be wrong, but don't the items have some vague sense of life to a degree. Or at least the eye did. Idk. Alternatively Pegasus was preparing for "Wave of the Future". Or. Something. This is why no one likes Precognition, it's a headache and you ruin everyone's time.
    Pegasus mentioned in the manga that the Millennium Items do have an evil intelligence within them. In other words, they do have a limited mind of their own. But yes, the Eye did, hence the whole "I will grant you one wish" magic. It's also how Pegasus went to do and say things he normally wouldn't. Because, well, ancient magic and brainwashing. The Eye pretty much clung into Pegasus' darkness, which was Cyndia's death.

    The Ring also has a mind of its own, as it killed the man tested for it because the Ring deemed him an useless human. The Puzzle harming Otogi's father in the manga could be also the demonstration of that ability.

    Though, "Wave of the Future"? Wha?


    And that Santa Claus is obviously from one of them. Because that would be stupid awesome.
    We need Santa Claus as a Duel Monster! *shot*

    I'm also going to possibly consider that perhaps the Humans in the Duel Spirit Worlds, either monsters who are human, or they're humans who stumbled from our world into their world with gaps like the one that allowed Daito's special class to get trapped in Sand World/Gravekeeper Land.
    That's a pretty cool idea, actually.

    Also, this post I made in the Yugi And Osiris thread, I shall link to it at least. Just showing that Takahashi had Shown His Work regarding Ancient Egypt, or at least what I have reached so far in this book, derp.

    Also, Ark. In this... package I skimmed through, I saw one of Crowley's writings on Atlantean stuff. I could check it for you, or alternately, I could send it over so you could look it up for any references you're interested in (since I haven't fully watched Doma either, derp).



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    ... I suddenly want a Christmas Archetype. ;o;

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    Well the whole mysticism issue could be the Eye telling him to put wonky shit in the chips, and why the hell not. A white spritzer after dinner.

    WAVE OF THE FUTURE. TECHNOLOGY. FLYING CARS. WRISTWATCH DUELING MACHINES. MEN WITH CRABS FOR HAIR WHO CREATE WORMHOLES WITH THEIR BIKES.

    In all seriousness, it seems YGOverse Earth had or was in the midst of a tech breakthrough in Holographic technology when the series started. So. Perhaps the Eye saw this and poked Pegasus mentally with a stick to help make the "monsters real again like in Ye Olde Times when I had a lemon on my belt because it was the fashion of the times and newspapers were a nickel each."

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    (Saw Doma, just years ago and dub. Derp. And sending it over and/or checking is cool. XD)
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    7) The Sengenma are the "ultimate" duel spirits.
    I realize "Sen" is a typo; just wanted to point it out because "San" is three and "Sen" is 1000. That would've been a very long season. 'Defeat the Thousand Phantom Demons!" "Fv(k that sh1t!"

    8) There are 11 dimensions other than our own. All of them seem to be inhabited with humans and/or duel monster spirits, from what he have seen.
    Plus the World of Darkness, which is inhabited by evil cards and an animated goat skeleton.

    R)

    12) I never quite understood where the Devil Gods drew their power from, honestly. Umm... help?
    From what I can gather, they already had some sort of dark essence to them, which was made worse by Tenma's unstable psyche. It created a feedback loop where the Gods' energy spilled over into him, which created more darkness of heart and fed the Gods further.

    Manga GX)

    13) Winged Kuriboh and Light and Darkness Dragon are duel spirits that were created from the "white" ka after using the Feather of Ma'at in the ritual to seal Tragoedia.
    Miswritten as "Kar" in the English Manga, but yes.

    15) Feel is only the output of solid vision the D-Wheel creates. The output varies based on the speed, direction, and overall handling of the D-Wheel.
    Apparently, Feel can be based off of anything at all related to your D-Wheel. It also has the most unfortunate title every for a manga about men who like each other and female classmates "going at it".

    And, takng you up on adding something, I feel I need to mention the Darkness of Heart. It's been referenced heavily as a plot device in DM and GX, and I think even in 5D's. It can seriously affect yourself and your monsters (Guardian DeathScythe, the A-Gem Beasts and Rainbow Dark Dragon); and it can be used as a power source. Darkness of Heart is also responsible for the incidents in Season 4 of GX. Thus, I gather it plays a very important role in this series, and may very well be liked heavily to the Mysticism of the Cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    ... I suddenly want a Christmas Archetype. ;o;
    Seconded!

    Well the whole mysticism issue could be the Eye telling him to put wonky shit in the chips, and why the hell not. A white spritzer after dinner.

    WAVE OF THE FUTURE. TECHNOLOGY. FLYING CARS. WRISTWATCH DUELING MACHINES. MEN WITH CRABS FOR HAIR WHO CREATE WORMHOLES WITH THEIR BIKES.
    Ahh. Well, considering the technology, maybe the chips were the most convenient solution? XD

    That last part made me LOL. Also, don't forget BATSHIT SQUIDS.


    (Saw Doma, just years ago and dub. Derp. And sending it over and/or checking is cool. XD)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon View Post
    I realize "Sen" is a typo; just wanted to point it out because "San" is three and "Sen" is 1000. That would've been a very long season. 'Defeat the Thousand Phantom Demons!" "Fv(k that sh1t!"



    Plus the World of Darkness, which is inhabited by evil cards and an animated goat skeleton.



    From what I can gather, they already had some sort of dark essence to them, which was made worse by Tenma's unstable psyche. It created a feedback loop where the Gods' energy spilled over into him, which created more darkness of heart and fed the Gods further.



    Miswritten as "Kar" in the English Manga, but yes.



    Apparently, Feel can be based off of anything at all related to your D-Wheel. It also has the most unfortunate title every for a manga about men who like each other and female classmates "going at it".

    And, takng you up on adding something, I feel I need to mention the Darkness of Heart. It's been referenced heavily as a plot device in DM and GX, and I think even in 5D's. It can seriously affect yourself and your monsters (Guardian DeathScythe, the A-Gem Beasts and Rainbow Dark Dragon); and it can be used as a power source. Darkness of Heart is also responsible for the incidents in Season 4 of GX. Thus, I gather it plays a very important role in this series, and may very well be liked heavily to the Mysticism of the Cards.
    It's a typo I seem to make a lot. lol

    I never really looked at the heart's darkness as a category of its own and kind of just thought it would be mixed in with the "Card's Heart" but since there was a whole season on it, I guess it should qualify. I don't think this is what was responsible for the A-Gem Beasts, though. I think that was just Yubel's strange ability to corrupt things that was mentioned earlier in the topic.

    EDIT:

    Anyway, what I was trying to point out with the recap list was that Doma having a simillar Game of Darkness like card or having tablets with Duel Monsters on them do not break the canon, though it does undermine it a little bit. It's only the existence of Duel Monster worlds that contradict the source material. Games of Darkness existed elsewhere in the manga too, and the Millenium Tome predates the events in the Memory Arc. The case in point was the Chinese Dragon Cards that Yugi compared to his own Games of Darkness. We don't know who invented the dark magic and the rituals needed to create the items (maybe it was Zork lol) so we can't definately say that Egypt had it first.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    I'm going to assume "Millennium Eye's Fault". I might be wrong, but don't the items have some vague sense of life to a degree. Or at least the eye did. Idk. Alternatively Pegasus was preparing for "Wave of the Future". Or. Something. This is why no one likes Precognition, it's a headache and you ruin everyone's time.
    All of them did. Also lol @ your statment of precognition.


    ... Well, if it helps, Egypt has often been identified, at least in Plato's sale of the story, as a colony of Atlantis.

    Tablet tech is from Atlantis before it sank, durka durka.

    This still doesn't explain the incongruity of the Mind Monsters and Yoshida's Duel Spirit Tolkeinverse.
    No it doesn't explain the stupid spirit world but you do raise an interesting point regarding Atlantis and Egypt. Hmmm. It does make thematic sense and explain why they connected Egypt and Atlantis within YGO. I never minded that aspect, but I just wish they had fully explored that more within the story.

    Although having Dartz appear in Egypt as a witness to the Games of Darkness and conflicts between Bakura and Atem was a very interesting touch.



    And that Santa Claus is obviously from one of them. Because that would be stupid awesome.
    You know, seriously. I'm surprised we've never had a YGO Christmas Special yet. It just seems like something so obvious and necessary. Yugi using a Christmas deck and summoning some Santa Claus monster or something...and dueling to save Christmas or...in some Christmas tournament to give orphans money or just....something. I dunno.

    The most we got was a quick little comic strip where Yugi and co are decorating a Christmas tree and right when Jou's about to put the star on top it disappears. Because outside, Kaiba activated his duel disk and played "Cost Down," while laughing evilly. LOL WHUT.

    I'm also going to possibly consider that perhaps the Humans in the Duel Spirit Worlds, either monsters who are human, or they're humans who stumbled from our world into their world with gaps like the one that allowed Daito's special class to get trapped in Sand World/Gravekeeper Land.
    Ugh no. They're just monsters who are human. That entire episode and scenario was ridiculous. DERP DERP I DONE WANDERED INTO THE WORLD OF A CARD GAME AND AM GONNA BE TURNED INTO A MUMMY, OH NOES!

    And my God. The Gravekeeper's are fashioned after the real life Ancient Egyptian tombkeepers of history. THEY DON'T LIVE IN A MAGICAL EGYPT DIMENSION FANTASY LAND. They would be based on reality. What the hell? That annoyed me so much.



    Itoh's sexy art style. Though, seriously, I don't think it was explained. Just sorta... "These cards have really nasty mojo like a mofo" was sort of the hand wave. They're God Cards and Itoh didn't need to explain anything further.
    ...But it was explained. Pegasus created these cards just like he did the God cards, with the power of the Millennium Eye. They are the inverse of the God cards. They are the negative reflections of their divine, supernatural power. They are backwards and evil. They are Millennium Item created devils spawned by Pegasus to keep the power of the God cards in check. He thought this was a better idea at first, before sealing them away. And kept the Wicked Gods himself.

    Their evil intelligence and wickedness came from somewhere other than Yako's own craziness. The Wicked Avatar didn't just coincidentally steal Anzu's soul out of the blue.


    Why should this cause you distress. The Earthbound Gods are merely negative human willpower, essentially. If this is so, it does help explain most evil gods in most religions. Just Scar-Red Nova was an older one from an older religion, probably.
    I think Bruno referring to how Momentum reflects human hearts, was in reference to how the Dark Signers were chosen by these dark spiritual beings, due to the darkness in their hearts. Momentum is alive, which was also stated by Rudger during his duel against Yusei. Momentum reflects and resonates with the person who is in control of it, and it's why Rudger was chosen by the Uru to be its host. The darkness in Rudger's heart influenced and controlled the Momentum at that time, serving as a means for Uru to take him.

    The Earthbound Gods aren't man made. They are manipulated and influenced by man. Those with darkness in their hearts can be controlled or if strong enough, can control the Earthbound Gods. Same for the Crimson Dragon and the like.

    Mind you, Bomber's explanation of it was complete crockery. Doesn't invalidate it, and I think Scar-Red Nova minus his stupid as hell head was pretty cool.
    This is what made me want to kill myself. The whole mini-arc of Scar-Red Nova was detracted by the ridiculous explanation of what Scar-Red Nova was, and how Bommer explained it. It's the only real fault I have with it, but its a pretty big one.

    Oh, and the way it ended with Yusei and Jack basically making a commercial for Starstrike Blast, lulz.



    I'd ask the issue problem here, but I don't think you like Post-Technological Cyber-Entities. I can admit that combining the magic of YGO with future-tech is a bit of a headache, but I think the Transhumanism and Time-Travel is a really nice change-up.
    I like the Sci-Fi concept, but not in my YGO. Its silly and ill-fitting. It doesn't mesh cleanly with the rest of the mythos and overarching storylines at all. YGO was a series based on history, legend, the occult and the supernatural. Not this sci-fi stuff. 5Ds just went nuts with Season 3 in terms of its mythology and all.



    I'd suggest he wants to turn them into living Duel Spirits like himself, LADD, and WK, but I dunno. And wasn't LADD only made one due to the Feather of Ma'at?
    Wow, I never thought of that. Maybe that *is* what he wants. Huh.

    And yes. Light and Darkness Dragon was brought to life thanks to Winged Kuriboh spiritually passing on the Feather of Ma'at to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon
    And, takng you up on adding something, I feel I need to mention the Darkness of Heart. It's been referenced heavily as a plot device in DM and GX, and I think even in 5D's. It can seriously affect yourself and your monsters (Guardian DeathScythe, the A-Gem Beasts and Rainbow Dark Dragon); and it can be used as a power source. Darkness of Heart is also responsible for the incidents in Season 4 of GX. Thus, I gather it plays a very important role in this series, and may very well be liked heavily to the Mysticism of the Cards.
    The Darkness of the Heart (why did you leave out the "the"..?) is basically just evil/malicious intent that all people have. Everyone has a dark side, and it can be manipulated by dark powers to corrupt people. In DM, the darkness of the heart was what powered the Great Leviathan and the Orichalchos. It was what gave the Seal of Orichalchos its power, and in turn, it amplified the user's own darkness. The Wave of Light did the same thing, and apparently any duelist who ever had did one tiny little thing bad...would have that darkness poured into their cards, and eventually the cards would get saturated and turn evil.

    Which is pretty stupid, if you ask me, seeing as how people aren't perfect and make mistakes no matter what. But who cares! You better watch out, you better not shout, you better not pout and I'll tell you why:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil_Yugi View Post
    It's a typo I seem to make a lot. lol

    I never really looked at the heart's darkness as a category of its own and kind of just thought it would be mixed in with the "Card's Heart" but since there was a whole season on it, I guess it should qualify. I don't think this is what was responsible for the A-Gem Beasts, though. I think that was just Yubel's strange ability to corrupt things that was mentioned earlier in the topic.
    Yes, Yubel did that. What was Yubel's power source? Darkness of the Heart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Makoeyes987 View Post
    The Darkness of the Heart (why did you leave out the "the"..?) is basically just evil/malicious intent that all people have. Everyone has a dark side, and it can be manipulated by dark powers to corrupt people. In DM, the darkness of the heart was what powered the Great Leviathan and the Orichalchos. It was what gave the Seal of Orichalchos its power, and in turn, it amplified the user's own darkness. The Wave of Light did the same thing, and apparently any duelist who ever had did one tiny little thing bad...would have that darkness poured into their cards, and eventually the cards would get saturated and turn evil.
    I left it out because the first episode I saw of Season 3 had really bad subs. Since "the" does not exist in Japanese, they wrote "Darkness of Heart". Just a little bit funny.

    And the Darkness of the Heart thus fits with this theme; cards can be given these properties by becoming infused with this. Do you think the person who printed Hidden Knight - Hook programmed its IP Chip to try and crash people? Especially when cards are made for Ground Duels as well, where trying to grab someone's leg would be really obvious?

    Which is pretty stupid, if you ask me, seeing as how people aren't perfect and make mistakes no matter what. But who cares! You better watch out, you better not shout, you better not pout and I'll tell you why:

    MR. TRUEMAN IS COMIN' TO TOWN... AND HE'S COMIN' FOR YOU!

    Because you're bad and nobody loves you since you suck at cards so hard.
    Sounds like half the people I know who play. Whose names, humourously enough, I cannot remember...

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    No it doesn't explain the stupid spirit world but you do raise an interesting point regarding Atlantis and Egypt. Hmmm. It does make thematic sense and explain why they connected Egypt and Atlantis within YGO. I never minded that aspect, but I just wish they had fully explored that more within the story.

    Although having Dartz appear in Egypt as a witness to the Games of Darkness and conflicts between Bakura and Atem was a very interesting touch.
    The best explanation we can give up here is that there's two types of monsters:
    - Monsters who are the representation of a person's Ka that the Atlanteans and the Egyptians sealed in tablets.
    - Monsters from a parallel universe(s) that due to that lovely wonderful thing known as Multiple World Theory, a world conveniently arose that was filled with Duel Spirits.

    Ugh no. They're just monsters who are human. That entire episode and scenario was ridiculous. DERP DERP I DONE WANDERED INTO THE WORLD OF A CARD GAME AND AM GONNA BE TURNED INTO A MUMMY, OH NOES!

    And my God. The Gravekeeper's are fashioned after the real life Ancient Egyptian tombkeepers of history. THEY DON'T LIVE IN A MAGICAL EGYPT DIMENSION FANTASY LAND. They would be based on reality. What the hell? That annoyed me so much.
    Parallel Universe. Interestingly, the Yu-Gi-Oh! Mysteries website which seems to poke at stuff like we're noting, notes that the world of the Gravekeepers that was revisited in Season 3 was based on "HD188753", a Triple Star System. More specifically, it's based on a painting of a likely close-by planet which was a scorched desert world.

    And the Gravekeeper's Episode did, actually, justify my explanation that the humans could be bum normal humans who did wander in. That's the Chief's excuse for the deck he had: "I got them from travelers from your world." If. Memory isn't off. And the whole mummy thing isn't that stupid. It's ritualistic murder-burial. BU

    I think Bruno referring to how Momentum reflects human hearts, was in reference to how the Dark Signers were chosen by these dark spiritual beings, due to the darkness in their hearts. Momentum is alive, which was also stated by Rudger during his duel against Yusei. Momentum reflects and resonates with the person who is in control of it, and it's why Rudger was chosen by the Uru to be its host. The darkness in Rudger's heart influenced and controlled the Momentum at that time, serving as a means for Uru to take him.

    The Earthbound Gods aren't man made. They are manipulated and influenced by man. Those with darkness in their hearts can be controlled or if strong enough, can control the Earthbound Gods. Same for the Crimson Dragon and the like.
    I always took it to explain away the more special components of the Crimson Dragon and the Earthbound Immortals myself. It seemed to be worded in such a way it could nod that the Immortals and the Crimson Dragon were constructs of human hearts combined with Momentum. The Crimson Dragon we do know for a fact has a lot to do with Momentum. It might be drawn by the human heart, but when it appeared in the first 26 episodes, it usually was followed by the Momentum system in the local area going nuts.

    And I sort of like Human Emotions + Particles = Gods. a It seems kinda classy to me and helps explain where the gods came from and how they tie into Momentum so well, but difference of interests I guess.

    This is what made me want to kill myself. The whole mini-arc of Scar-Red Nova was detracted by the ridiculous explanation of what Scar-Red Nova was, and how Bommer explained it. It's the only real fault I have with it, but its a pretty big one.

    Oh, and the way it ended with Yusei and Jack basically making a commercial for Starstrike Blast, lulz.
    Yeah, the Bomber explanations were just... ugh. The concept of Scar-Red Nova, bar his name and head, weren't a bad idea of a more primordial hell god before the other hell gods.

    Oddly the ending didn't bother me that much. I think I'm just not bothered by marketing with this series anymore.

    I like the Sci-Fi concept, but not in my YGO. Its silly and ill-fitting. It doesn't mesh cleanly with the rest of the mythos and overarching storylines at all. YGO was a series based on history, legend, the occult and the supernatural. Not this sci-fi stuff. 5Ds just went nuts with Season 3 in terms of its mythology and all.
    Blame "Bonds Beyond Time" as the entire arc seems to be designed to lead up to an explaination of that movie.

    And I sort of like the Sci-Fi concept, as it is in many ways, exploring the non-occult portion of the series. Which has been around since DM with Kaiba basically building a gaming system that should of taken 50-100 years to make. And the conflict of human technology with magic has been an on-going thematic in the series. Just for once, they went with the Sci-Fi angle. And probably after the Earthbound God/Immortal arc, they wanted to do something different other than "Yet Another Ye Olde Magicks of Evils" arc.

    The pacing's been horrendous, but I think slowly coaxing in the Sci-Fi element has been a smart move on their part, so it isn't absolute whiplash.

    Wow, I never thought of that. Maybe that *is* what he wants. Huh.
    There's 3 reasons he'd want them, thinking on it:
    A) Duel Spirit / Ka army.
    B) Tragoedia is the Ka of a court astrologer/astronomer. He's an astronomy geek/buff and he wants cool planet cards.
    C) He needs them for some sort of power rituale.

    And the Darkness of the Heart thus fits with this theme; cards can be given these properties by becoming infused with this. Do you think the person who printed Hidden Knight - Hook programmed its IP Chip to try and crash people? Especially when cards are made for Ground Duels as well, where trying to grab someone's leg would be really obvious?
    I would. It's fairly shown off that those cards used by Catastrophe were Luciano/Placido/Jose's doing. And those 3 are malicious jerk bags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    The best explanation we can give up here is that there's two types of monsters:
    - Monsters who are the representation of a person's Ka that the Atlanteans and the Egyptians sealed in tablets.
    - Monsters from a parallel universe(s) that due to that lovely wonderful thing known as Multiple World Theory, a world conveniently arose that was filled with Duel Spirits.
    Basically, yeah. *nods*



    Parallel Universe. Interestingly, the Yu-Gi-Oh! Mysteries website which seems to poke at stuff like we're noting, notes that the world of the Gravekeepers that was revisited in Season 3 was based on "HD188753", a Triple Star System. More specifically, it's based on a painting of a likely close-by planet which was a scorched desert world.
    YGO Mysteries website? What is that? I've never heard of it.

    And was that the same world in Season 3, with the three suns? I don't think they ever said that. Granted both were worlds with vast deserts and three suns... Huh. I never thought of them being the same. So apparently the Gravekeepers have to stave off random Harpie Lady attacks and Sandmoth raids? What a crappy life.

    And the Gravekeeper's Episode did, actually, justify my explanation that the humans could be bum normal humans who did wander in. That's the Chief's excuse for the deck he had: "I got them from travelers from your world." If. Memory isn't off. And the whole mummy thing isn't that stupid. It's ritualistic murder-burial. BU
    I rewatched the entire two episodes and I didn't see him say that about his deck. He only called them his servants once, and then claimed their only worth was to guard his life, after he slapped the poor Gravekeeper's Assailant for hesitating to attack Judai. Which of course pissed him off. What he did say however, was how other people did wander into his dimension before...and got turned into mummies as punishment. XD

    LOL Ritualistic Murder-Burial. Despite its bizarre and silly premise, that was one of my favorite season 1 duels, and Judai laughing and enjoying the Duel of Darkness was hilarious. Plus I like Gravekeepers. Although their depiction was weird. Especially the part where when Judai and co tried to leave, a mob of Gravekeepers try to kill them anyways, and they all look the same....what the hell?


    I always took it to explain away the more special components of the Crimson Dragon and the Earthbound Immortals myself. It seemed to be worded in such a way it could nod that the Immortals and the Crimson Dragon were constructs of human hearts combined with Momentum. The Crimson Dragon we do know for a fact has a lot to do with Momentum. It might be drawn by the human heart, but when it appeared in the first 26 episodes, it usually was followed by the Momentum system in the local area going nuts.
    I don't think that's necessarily the case, seeing as how the Crimson Dragon is supposedly an emissary from something even larger than itself from the heavens, the Dragon Star. I don't think these are things that are the creations of man. They've existed long before. But they can be manipulated by mankind.

    And I sort of like Human Emotions + Particles = Gods. a It seems kinda classy to me and helps explain where the gods came from and how they tie into Momentum so well, but difference of interests I guess.
    That doesn't explain the thousands of other monstrous deities, demons and spirits that have plagued the YGO world before Momentum was created. So that doesn't satisfy me at all. I find it highly dubious Darkness is a construct of human emotions seeing as how Darkness existed before man even existed. Same goes for the Light of Destruction, Zorc Necrophades, and the countless other monstrosities that have been shown. Oh. And The King of the Underworld.


    Yeah, the Bomber explanations were just... ugh. The concept of Scar-Red Nova, bar his name and head, weren't a bad idea of a more primordial hell god before the other hell gods.
    Yeah the concept was cool. The implementation....not so much.


    Oddly the ending didn't bother me that much. I think I'm just not bothered by marketing with this series anymore.
    I don't like being advertised or preached to. It makes me feel icky. XD


    Blame "Bonds Beyond Time" as the entire arc seems to be designed to lead up to an explaination of that movie.
    It was going in that direction long before the movie was announced though. And really, the movie was a neat one-shot attempt at having the three characters meet. It was a good idea for a one-shot movie. An idea can be good in isolation but bad in terms of an entire story's direction.

    And I sort of like the Sci-Fi concept, as it is in many ways, exploring the non-occult portion of the series. Which has been around since DM with Kaiba basically building a gaming system that should of taken 50-100 years to make. And the conflict of human technology with magic has been an on-going thematic in the series. Just for once, they went with the Sci-Fi angle. And probably after the Earthbound God/Immortal arc, they wanted to do something different other than "Yet Another Ye Olde Magicks of Evils" arc.
    At least they didn't have aliens who played duel monsters... That'd have been even more insane.

    The pacing's been horrendous, but I think slowly coaxing in the Sci-Fi element has been a smart move on their part, so it isn't absolute whiplash.
    Cards from space does not sound like a good idea to me. Nor do robo-men from space who can haxxor reality and time travel sound good either. If they had done the sci-fi differently maybe I'd be more receptive to it, but it just seems so utterly nuts. From giant tablets falling from the cosmos, to some pasty android pulling a Megatron and merging with a motorbike, I feel like I want to just tear my eyes out.


    There's 3 reasons he'd want them, thinking on it:
    A) Duel Spirit / Ka army.
    B) Tragoedia is the Ka of a court astrologer/astronomer. He's an astronomy geek/buff and he wants cool planet cards.
    C) He needs them for some sort of power rituale.
    Oh God, please let it not be for C. If Tragoedia tries to use the cards to make himself a god or something I will rage.

    And I hope Tragoedia doesn't play himself in a duel, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    There's 3 reasons he'd want them, thinking on it:
    A) Duel Spirit / Ka army.
    B) Tragoedia is the Ka of a court astrologer/astronomer. He's an astronomy geek/buff and he wants cool planet cards.
    C) He needs them for some sort of power rituale.
    Mm, sorry to intrude since it's not totally related to the point of the topic, but I just wanted to help out and mention that Principal Tragobrows did kind of make an oblique reference towards some plan he's using the Planet Series towards in Chapter 55 which seems like a combination of B and C lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horoko's Summary
    Principal: [referring to Judai] Even over the monitor, I know. The spirit is in his deck...and The Earth is in his case...Those two cards are, at this moment, in this kid's possession.

    Principal: Heh heh heh...Interesting...Very interesting!! I haven't been this elated in years...My last piece...the Spirit Card...all of the Planet Cards! And the souls of the young duelists for my revival! All are expanding for me!!
    It definitely doesn't seem to be a coincidence that Tragoedia is distributing the Planet Series to duelists and pulling strings to have them Game of Darkness eachother. It's also worth noting that he's not collecting them, but rather The Earth is probably the only one he didn't have in the first place; in Mackenzie's flashbacks of seeing Mr. Phoenix dead in the Principal's office he already had just about every Planet Card in his possession already (I can't remember if he had The Earth too but I'm guessing not since Kouyou had it and was under Winged Kuriboh's protection). His goal seems to be more about sacrificing the duelists who duel against / use them and using their energy to complete his revival once he has Winged Kuriboh back.


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    YGO Mysteries website? What is that? I've never heard of it.

    And was that the same world in Season 3, with the three suns? I don't think they ever said that. Granted both were worlds with vast deserts and three suns... Huh. I never thought of them being the same. So apparently the Gravekeepers have to stave off random Harpie Lady attacks and Sandmoth raids? What a crappy life.
    http://www.geocities.jp/yugioh_mysteries/

    And I believe they were. The mountains/outcroppings resembled the one where the Gravekeepers lived.

    I rewatched the entire two episodes and I didn't see him say that about his deck. He only called them his servants once, and then claimed their only worth was to guard his life, after he slapped the poor Gravekeeper's Assailant for hesitating to attack Judai. Which of course pissed him off. What he did say however, was how other people did wander into his dimension before...and got turned into mummies as punishment. XD

    LOL Ritualistic Murder-Burial. Despite its bizarre and silly premise, that was one of my favorite season 1 duels, and Judai laughing and enjoying the Duel of Darkness was hilarious. Plus I like Gravekeepers. Although their depiction was weird. Especially the part where when Judai and co tried to leave, a mob of Gravekeepers try to kill them anyways, and they all look the same....what the hell?


    Oh, well, I'm confusing the burial and the deck before then. But still it does justify that humans DO wander into the 12 Dimensions somehowon occasion.Low Budget. GX seemed to suffer from low budget in spades. Not entirely shoe-string, but it showed.


    I don't think that's necessarily the case, seeing as how the Crimson Dragon is supposedly an emissary from something even larger than itself from the heavens, the Dragon Star. I don't think these are things that are the creations of man. They've existed long before. But they can be manipulated by mankind.
    Perhaps maybe not their minds and what not, but I could see Momentum fueling the bodies of the Immortals and the Crimson Dragon. I just. Still like it. IDK.

    That doesn't explain the thousands of other monstrous deities, demons and spirits that have plagued the YGO world before Momentum was created. So that doesn't satisfy me at all. I find it highly dubious Darkness is a construct of human emotions seeing as how Darkness existed before man even existed. Same goes for the Light of Destruction, Zorc Necrophades, and the countless other monstrosities that have been shown. Oh. And The King of the Underworld.
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    Also, wasn't Zorc sort of formed from... sort of the darkness of the Millennium Items or something like that. Argh. Rusty memory.

    And the Light of Destruction is Xenu or shit like that.

    I don't like being advertised or preached to. It makes me feel icky. XD
    You're going to hate the entire Ragnarok Mini-Arc then, because it's going to be 10 timers worse.

    At least they didn't have aliens who played duel monsters... That'd have been even more insane.
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    Cards from space does not sound like a good idea to me. Nor do robo-men from space who can haxxor reality and time travel sound good either. If they had done the sci-fi differently maybe I'd be more receptive to it, but it just seems so utterly nuts. From giant tablets falling from the cosmos, to some pasty android pulling a Megatron and merging with a motorbike, I feel like I want to just tear my eyes out.
    The whole cards from space is actually a nod to one of the classics of Sci-Fi: The Space Odyssey Series. So that motif, you have entirely Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick to blame.

    The reality haxx is entirely Time Travel I believe.

    And we have no clue where the cards are coming from, or than "Near Earth Orbit". Perhaps Zone just launches them from his verse through wormholes in Near Earth Orbit.

    And yeah, Placido, sadly, is a victim of stupid design decisions on how they did that whole sequence. Good idea. Since I like the idea of Momentum becoming so potent that humans literally merged with their own technology.

    ... Actually, that'd be interesting, that if Placido and co. were capable of Accel Synchro, but due to seeing the negligence use of Momentum, refuse to indulge in such dangerous and childish behavior.

    And I hope Tragoedia doesn't play himself in a duel, either.
    Probably going to happen. Tragoedia's a really good card and an epically awesome Boss Card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    http://www.geocities.jp/yugioh_mysteries/

    And I believe they were. The mountains/outcroppings resembled the one where the Gravekeepers lived.
    Ohhhh, interesting! Huh..apparently geocities still exists in Japan...

    And good eye. I never thought of that. XDDDD




    [/I]Oh, well, I'm confusing the burial and the deck before then. But still it does justify that humans DO wander into the 12 Dimensions somehowon occasion.Low Budget. GX seemed to suffer from low budget in spades. Not entirely shoe-string, but it showed.
    Sure would suck to wander into the dimension where Dark Ruler Ha Des and co live...Or better yet.

    Zombie World.

    And lol yeah. Low budget indeed...




    Perhaps maybe not their minds and what not, but I could see Momentum fueling the bodies of the Immortals and the Crimson Dragon. I just. Still like it. IDK.
    I do think the Crimson Dragon, the Earthbound Immortals, and the like are vast beings of Momentum. Just pure untapped energy. Which also explains why the Underworld is nothing but Momentum and more Momentum.



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    Also, wasn't Zorc sort of formed from... sort of the darkness of the Millennium Items or something like that. Argh. Rusty memory.
    LOL of course.

    And no, Zorc predated the Millennium Items. He was summoned by the dark ritual that was done to create the items, but he's basically a devil of the underworld. It's basically an infernal creature who wants to kill everything. Nasty stuff.


    And the Light of Destruction is Xenu or shit like that.
    Dude. Now I want to start a cult that worships the Light of Destruction, to rule the world. L. Ron Hubbard did it, why can't I!?



    You're going to hate the entire Ragnarok Mini-Arc then, because it's going to be 10 timers worse.
    I've braced myself for it.



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    The whole cards from space is actually a nod to one of the classics of Sci-Fi: The Space Odyssey Series. So that motif, you have entirely Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick to blame.
    Oh I get the motif, but its just completely out of place in my YGOmons. XDD


    The reality haxx is entirely Time Travel I believe.

    And we have no clue where the cards are coming from, or than "Near Earth Orbit". Perhaps Zone just launches them from his verse through wormholes in Near Earth Orbit.
    Placido cutting through space and teleporting somewhere else doesn't seem like time travel.

    And well, same thing. It's coming from space or some wonky dimension in space-time. It's just bizarre that duel monster cards are falling from space. Hell, I didn't like it when the Crimson Dragon decided to give Yusei and Jack "Oh Shi-!" come back cards out of nowhere too. And before that, the Legendary Dragon cards that literally appear in Jou and Kaiba's deck out of nowhere mid-duel.

    And yeah, Placido, sadly, is a victim of stupid design decisions on how they did that whole sequence. Good idea. Since I like the idea of Momentum becoming so potent that humans literally merged with their own technology.
    You want everyone to become the Borg now? XD

    Placido looked so damn cool on his own, riding the T-666. The way he jumped off the building and onto his bike to chase after Yusei was over the top, but still very awesome. Then they ruined it.

    ... Actually, that'd be interesting, that if Placido and co. were capable of Accel Synchro, but due to seeing the negligence use of Momentum, refuse to indulge in such dangerous and childish behavior.
    What I find weird is how Stardust Dragon looks so....robotic and almost like a Machine Emperor when Accel Synchro Summoned into Shooting Star Dragon. And I dunno, would Accel Synchro summon be really that dangerous? When Bruno and Yusei did it, the energy they release is just isolated to themselves. They're manipulating the Momentum around themselves to go beyond their limits or something. I doubt it'd be dangerous to anyone but themselves...



    Probably going to happen. Tragoedia's a really good card and an epically awesome Boss Card.
    That would be stupid. When would Tragoedia ever have been made a card in the GX manga? He's a ka, that's been hidden away for thousands of years, and has hidden itself and its tablet from people. Who would make that card? And why would he play it?!

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    Oh I get the motif, but its just completely out of place in my YGOmons. XDD
    ... Well one could interpret it as a recreation of the Ka in the future, but that would be silly.

    [quite] Placido cutting through space and teleporting somewhere else doesn't seem like time travel. [/quite]
    He made a wormhole. Which is the entire basis of YGO verse time-travel here.

    Placido looked so damn cool on his own, riding the T-666. The way he jumped off the building and onto his bike to chase after Yusei was over the top, but still very awesome. Then they ruined it.
    I think him becoming more integrated with his bike is a fine idea, just the exact way they did it was completely backwards.

    What I find weird is how Stardust Dragon looks so....robotic and almost like a Machine Emperor when Accel Synchro Summoned into Shooting Star Dragon. And I dunno, would Accel Synchro summon be really that dangerous? When Bruno and Yusei did it, the energy they release is just isolated to themselves. They're manipulating the Momentum around themselves to go beyond their limits or something. I doubt it'd be dangerous to anyone but themselves...
    Everything's shinier in the future. And it's accelerating into a worm hole, breaking relativistic physics. I'd assume if it goes wrong, that much momentum would either rip a hole in the universe, or level a city, I'd assume. Nuclear Weapons are very small (relatively speaking) but can do huge damage.

    That would be stupid. When would Tragoedia ever have been made a card in the GX manga? He's a ka, that's been hidden away for thousands of years, and has hidden itself and its tablet from people. Who would make that card? And why would he play it?!
    I2. And because Tragoedia is probably a very egotistical sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    ... Well one could interpret it as a recreation of the Ka in the future, but that would be silly.
    But...they're cards from space. What type of ka would be inside those tablets? Hell, the ones for Yliaster's Emperors are just machines. What kind of spirit creates a "Machine Emperor?"

    He made a wormhole. Which is the entire basis of YGO verse time-travel here.
    ...But if it were a worm hole, wouldn't that be kinda...dangerous to open up on the surface of the planet, unguarded and protected? I mean, at the Momentum Express, the wormhole technology was heavily guarded, isolated and contained with various safety measures and machinery. Just raising your sword and swinging it into the air doesn't seem like that would just....rip open time and just make a stable worm hole safe for travel and all...



    I think him becoming more integrated with his bike is a fine idea, just the exact way they did it was completely backwards.
    But what does that even accomplish?

    They fail to even justify or explain the transformation. Placido just gets pissed off, and says its the ultimate D-Wheel transformation. Okay...why? What's the point? How did that make things better for him? Hell, if he weren't fused with his bike, he probably wouldn't have gotten torn apart so bad when he crashed. I'm just failing to see the relevance storywise. Was he trying to psyche Yusei out?



    Everything's shinier in the future. And it's accelerating into a worm hole, breaking relativistic physics. I'd assume if it goes wrong, that much momentum would either rip a hole in the universe, or level a city, I'd assume. Nuclear Weapons are very small (relatively speaking) but can do huge damage.
    I thought Accel Synchro Summoning was taking control of Momentum with a Clear Mind, and using speed to surpass your limits or something, to make a more powerful monster?



    I2. And because Tragoedia is probably a very egotistical sort.
    But why would I2 make that? Where would they get the inspiration within the context of the story?

    Okay he may be egotistical but what good would that do for him to print himself as a card in a game?

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    But...they're cards from space. What type of ka would be inside those tablets? Hell, the ones for Yliaster's Emperors are just machines. What kind of spirit creates a "Machine Emperor?"
    They're artificial Ka created by a technological post-technological singularity god-like entity. That's all the explaination one needs. Some times you don't need complex explanation.

    ...But if it were a worm hole, wouldn't that be kinda...dangerous to open up on the surface of the planet, unguarded and protected? I mean, at the Momentum Express, the wormhole technology was heavily guarded, isolated and contained with various safety measures and machinery. Just raising your sword and swinging it into the air doesn't seem like that would just....rip open time and just make a stable worm hole safe for travel and all...
    Placido = Future/Alt Earth, his tech is much better than our tech, so it might be safe for him to open up holes in Time-Space because for him, it could be like us putting our shoes on to take a jog.

    Momentum Express was running on relative modern-day tech, sir. :U

    But what does that even accomplish?

    They fail to even justify or explain the transformation. Placido just gets pissed off, and says its the ultimate D-Wheel transformation. Okay...why? What's the point? How did that make things better for him? Hell, if he weren't fused with his bike, he probably wouldn't have gotten torn apart so bad when he crashed. I'm just failing to see the relevance storywise. Was he trying to psyche Yusei out?
    Well, for one thing, the weather didn't go completely ape-shit until Placido decided to be a centaur. So it might be that the D-Wheel for him might amplify his powers. Alternatively, it allows his brain to indirectly do computational stuff, so, IDK, he can duel without having to focus so directly on the driving. Placido's reasons seem like an unexplained plot point because if it was explained, it would be "Too early" on the big reveal.

    So... I think they'll explain the D-Wheel shit when 5D's faces off New World and the Emperors do transform. Eh.

    I thought Accel Synchro Summoning was taking control of Momentum with a Clear Mind, and using speed to surpass your limits or something, to make a more powerful monster?
    > Momentum.

    It's been shown to be highly volatile and basically hair-trigger explosive. I'd figure, while probably Placido didn't know what was going on... hrm. Something seems inherently dangerous. There has to be a reason the Emperors hate Momentum. And I'd expect a ****-up at the wrong time with Accel Synchro would be disastrous.

    But why would I2 make that? Where would they get the inspiration within the context of the story?

    Okay he may be egotistical but what good would that do for him to print himself as a card in a game?
    Pegasus's Eye + White Spritzer.

    Could be hand waved that he either needs a new container due to the fragility of his tablet being shattered into pieces, or Power Ritual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hisui View Post
    Mm, sorry to intrude since it's not totally related to the point of the topic, but I just wanted to help out and mention that Principal Tragobrows did kind of make an oblique reference towards some plan he's using the Planet Series towards in Chapter 55 which seems like a combination of B and C lol.



    It definitely doesn't seem to be a coincidence that Tragoedia is distributing the Planet Series to duelists and pulling strings to have them Game of Darkness eachother. It's also worth noting that he's not collecting them, but rather The Earth is probably the only one he didn't have in the first place; in Mackenzie's flashbacks of seeing Mr. Phoenix dead in the Principal's office he already had just about every Planet Card in his possession already (I can't remember if he had The Earth too but I'm guessing not since Kouyou had it and was under Winged Kuriboh's protection). His goal seems to be more about sacrificing the duelists who duel against / use them and using their energy to complete his revival once he has Winged Kuriboh back.
    He did have it. When Mr. Phoenix was laying dead in that flashback, Saturn, Venus, and the Earth were face-up on the floor while five remained face-down.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    They're artificial Ka created by a technological post-technological singularity god-like entity. That's all the explaination one needs. Some times you don't need complex explanation.
    Well, I need a bit more than, at least in terms of the show stating what the tablets are. It would make sense in a way. I suppose such an answer explaining that will come along further down the line.

    Placido = Future/Alt Earth, his tech is much better than our tech, so it might be safe for him to open up holes in Time-Space because for him, it could be like us putting our shoes on to take a jog.

    Momentum Express was running on relative modern-day tech, sir. :U
    Going by that, I suppose thats possible. Especially since he can apparently be "rebuilt".

    And good point about Momentum Express...

    Well, for one thing, the weather didn't go completely ape-shit until Placido decided to be a centaur. So it might be that the D-Wheel for him might amplify his powers. Alternatively, it allows his brain to indirectly do computational stuff, so, IDK, he can duel without having to focus so directly on the driving. Placido's reasons seem like an unexplained plot point because if it was explained, it would be "Too early" on the big reveal.

    So... I think they'll explain the D-Wheel shit when 5D's faces off New World and the Emperors do transform. Eh.
    Oh God, now I just had this horrible image of all of them transforming and then merging into some huge ass, half man half robo-beast machine emperor duel monster thing that they summon by using themselves as sacrifices and...*shudders* Oui. That will be one crazy ass final duel.

    So Placido basically did it to tear Neo-Domino a new one and screw with Yusei? I guess that makes sense. He just...wanted to make the duel even more violent.

    > Momentum.

    It's been shown to be highly volatile and basically hair-trigger explosive. I'd figure, while probably Placido didn't know what was going on... hrm. Something seems inherently dangerous. There has to be a reason the Emperors hate Momentum. And I'd expect a ****-up at the wrong time with Accel Synchro would be disastrous.
    Hmm, yeah. You're right. That does present itself as a logical, possible outcome if a screw up were to occur.



    Pegasus's Eye + White Spritzer.

    Could be hand waved that he either needs a new container due to the fragility of his tablet being shattered into pieces, or Power Ritual.
    But wouldn't Pegasus need to have seen the tablet in the first place? MacKenzzie has it hidden away in his office.

    That would be a hand wave that would make me want to chop off the mangaka's drawing hand >O

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    We'v ehad the OCG Tragoedia card for about ever, and Kageyama is a damn fine mangaka whos goal seems to be to fix the GX anime's mistakes, not repeat them. Tragoedia won't summon himself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil_Yugi View Post
    We'v ehad the OCG Tragoedia card for about ever, and Kageyama is a damn fine mangaka whos goal seems to be to fix the GX anime's mistakes, not repeat them. Tragoedia won't summon himself.
    LOL that's what I want to believe. I don't want to see dueling monsters summoning themselves onto the field anymore. T_T

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    Holy moly, I come back from sleep and suddenly massive posts everywhere! I hate timezone differences sometimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lil_Yugi View Post
    Anyway, what I was trying to point out with the recap list was that Doma having a simillar Game of Darkness like card or having tablets with Duel Monsters on them do not break the canon, though it does undermine it a little bit. It's only the existence of Duel Monster worlds that contradict the source material. Games of Darkness existed elsewhere in the manga too, and the Millenium Tome predates the events in the Memory Arc. The case in point was the Chinese Dragon Cards that Yugi compared to his own Games of Darkness. We don't know who invented the dark magic and the rituals needed to create the items (maybe it was Zork lol) so we can't definately say that Egypt had it first.
    That is a good point. We don't know much about the Millennium Tome, either. Just that Egypt obtained it sometime. It does seem to have the Eye Symbol on it, which is an Egyptian symbol. The Book also contains shadow alchemy, and as I mentioned in the Yugi and Osiris thread, Western Alchemy originates from Ancient Egypt. Wikipedia specifies Ptolemaic Egypt, which wouldn't match up with the series (BC 1000). However, I've seen different sources saying different things about Alchemy's origins in Ancient Egypt, so yeah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Makoeyes987 View Post
    Which is pretty stupid, if you ask me, seeing as how people aren't perfect and make mistakes no matter what. But who cares! You better watch out, you better not shout, you better not pout and I'll tell you why:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makoeyes987 View Post
    Oh God, now I just had this horrible image of all of them transforming and then merging into some huge ass, half man half robo-beast machine emperor duel monster thing that they summon by using themselves as sacrifices and...*shudders* Oui. That will be one crazy ass final duel.
    I read that as "transforming into some huge ass". Whut. :X

    Anyway, I agree with Ark regarding the sci-fi theme. YGO always had both mythological and sci-fi elements, so it's nice to see some more sci-fi stuff this time around. Then again, I'm biased because I love Time Travel and everything associated.

    As for Zone, could the tablet monsters be his own aspects? The aspect of Accel Synchro and Zone himself seems to be a nod towards the Prima Materia.

    Remember the symbols on Shooting Star Dragon's tablet where the name should be? Poet connected them to the symbols associated with various materials that are supposed to represent the Prima Materia. Then I just worked my way from there.



    Chart for the materials that represented the Prima Materia (names in Latin):

    http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/scheele1.gif

    Now, for a few links and quotations. (Note: I copied this from my chat log as I was explaining this to someone, so some of the sites might be gone by this point.)

    http://www.themystica.com/mystica/ar...a_materia.html
    http://www.morningstarportal.com/primamateria.html
    http://mythicoasis.org/?page_id=168

    "One could say that current thinking that we are all gods because we have the spirit of God within us held by some, especially nature worshippers, possibly originated from alchemical thought. The English alchemist Sir George Ripley (c. 1415-1490) wrote, "The philosophers tell the inquirer that the birds bring us the lipas, every man has it, it is in every place, in you, in me, in everything, in time and space." "It offers itself in lowly form [vili figura]. From it springs our eternal water [aqua permanens]." Ripley said prima materia is water, the material principle of all bodies, including mercury. It is the hyle, stuff, mater, which God brought from the chaos. It is the black earth which Adam was made of and which he took with him from Paradise. Since this prima material contained water it also contained fire, as both were said to be within the philosopher's stone; therefore, it is believe the stone always existed coming from Paradise too."

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    According to this perspective the first matter is not a material substance in the ordinary sense of the word at all. So what can we say about the nature of the prima materia according to the tradition of spiritual alchemy? The first thing to say is that unlike scientific materialism we accept the self-evident existence of consciousness. This is a crucial point, because the first matter, as the origin of all things which exist, must be found prior to the division of the universe into the duality of mind and matter.

    The answer is perception, or knowledge. What is the mind but that which perceives – and what is matter but that which is perceived. They are, respectively, the subject and the object of knowledge. As Schopenhauer said: We do not know a sun, only an eye which sees the sun, and we do not know an earth, only a hand which feels the earth. As far as humanity is aware, or ever could be aware, matter exists only as the object of conscious awareness.

    Knowledge, or perception, therefore partakes equally of the nature of both mind and matter. It is the substance upon which the alchemist must work, and in its purified and perfected state it is the fulfilment of all the promises of the Magnus Opus. Through knowledge and the clarity of enlightened consciousness all kinds of miracles can be accomplished.
    Sounds like Clear Mind to me.

    The prima materia is the “first matter,” the chaos out of which order emerges, the void from which everything is born. Ancient alchemists often equated the prima materia with water, the primoridal sea, the ocean of the unconscious, and the deep rivers of memory and imagination.

    In contemplating the prima materia of our weekend, we turn to myth, to story, as the “first matter” that feeds and gives living shape to our ideas and experience of the alchemy of transformation. Many myths deal with transformation. The transformation of the ego and soul of the hero, culiminating in the rejuvenation of culture and community, is the heart of the hero’s journey. Myths about encounters with the divine, about conversations with god, animals, and rocks, about shamanic descent into the other worlds and underworld, are also stories of transformation. Many of these reflect an alchemical consciousness, that is, they describe a process of breakdown and refinement in the psychic container of the individual that leads to new growth and insight.
    Recall when Yusei was traveling into Zone's dimension. It appeared to be a dark crack, evolving into a void of some sort. Also, Clear Mind itself was about breaking into the realm of God (as XYZ and Shenmimengzhu pointed it out), as well as transforming Stardust Dragon into something higher.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    That is a good point. We don't know much about the Millennium Tome, either. Just that Egypt obtained it sometime. It does seem to have the Eye Symbol on it, which is an Egyptian symbol. The Book also contains shadow alchemy, and as I mentioned in the Yugi and Osiris thread, Western Alchemy originates from Ancient Egypt. Wikipedia specifies Ptolemaic Egypt, which wouldn't match up with the series (BC 1000). However, I've seen different sources saying different things about Alchemy's origins in Ancient Egypt, so yeah.
    They didn't obtain it. They created it. It had been passed down for generations through each Egyptian dynasty, but was never used or its spells deciphered.



    ROTFL, oh that's just GREAT. XDDDD


    I read that as "transforming into some huge ass". Whut. :X


    LOL, I used "ass" as an attributive adjective for emphasis. As in, "That's a huge ass X-Box 350 over there!" It's a colloquial, slang form of expression.

    Anyway, I agree with Ark regarding the sci-fi theme. YGO always had both mythological and sci-fi elements, so it's nice to see some more sci-fi stuff this time around. Then again, I'm biased because I love Time Travel and everything associated.
    In terms of YGO, I'm the exact opposite, but maybe that's because it's never been fully integrated the other way properly.

    As for Zone, could the tablet monsters be his own aspects? The aspect of Accel Synchro and Zone himself seems to be a nod towards the Prima Materia.

    Remember the symbols on Shooting Star Dragon's tablet where the name should be? Poet connected them to the symbols associated with various materials that are supposed to represent the Prima Materia. Then I just worked my way from there.



    Chart for the materials that represented the Prima Materia (names in Latin):

    http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/scheele1.gif
    Perhaps. I suppose we'll find out in due time. It's really hard to say..

    The symbols on the Shooting Star Dragon tablet resemble those symbols in Latin for the Prima Materia, but I'm not seeing any of those symbols match up, and some of them look more like Chinese or Japanese Kanji of some kind. Like the one where the attribute symbol should be, is certainly the symbol for "King."


    Now, for a few links and quotations. (Note: I copied this from my chat log as I was explaining this to someone, so some of the sites might be gone by this point.)

    http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/~alchemy/prima_materia.html
    http://www.morningstarportal.com/primamateria.html
    http://mythicoasis.org/?page_id=168
    The last link doesn't seem to work unfortunately.

    Sounds like Clear Mind to me.
    It does, but that sort of thinking and elevated consciousness where the mind transcends matter and the physical world is shared across various cultures too. It also makes me think of Zen as well.



    Recall when Yusei was traveling into Zone's dimension. It appeared to be a dark crack, evolving into a void of some sort. Also, Clear Mind itself was about breaking into the realm of God (as XYZ and Shenmimengzhu pointed it out), as well as transforming Stardust Dragon into something higher.
    It certainly does seem to literally transmute Stardust Dragon into something better XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoArkadia View Post
    Probably going to happen. Tragoedia's a really good card and an epically awesome Boss Card.
    The fact that it's fairly old in the OCG now leads me to believe that won't happen. That, and because I really think the GX manga has a little more dignity than that and will be more creative with Tragoedia's deck.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Makoeyes987 View Post
    They didn't obtain it. They created it. It had been passed down for generations through each Egyptian dynasty, but was never used or its spells deciphered.
    Ahh, I see. Well, that's what I get for looking up the Wikia for information. *sigh*

    ROTFL, oh that's just GREAT. XDDDD
    XD I wanted to use the part where Trueman ambushes that little kid, but I had no idea which episode it was from.

    LOL, I used "ass" as an attributive adjective for emphasis. As in, "That's a huge ass X-Box 350 over there!" It's a colloquial, slang form of expression.
    Yeah, I know the meaning. It's just that I stopped at that point for a moment, without reading the rest of your sentence. Just a mere Freudian Slip on my part.

    In terms of YGO, I'm the exact opposite, but maybe that's because it's never been fully integrated the other way properly.
    *nods*

    Personally, I liked the Momentum system. The only major technology we had in YGO was Duel Box / Solid Vision, which was used only for the card game only. Of course, it could have other uses (like Pegasus message to Yugi and co. in Doma was displayed in Solid Vision form, or Pegasus' goal of creating a realistic image of Cyndia), but we haven't seen much of them. (Or if there were other uses, let me know? I can't seem to recall anything else outstanding.)

    I think GX gave us some more technology, like the wormhole system and the digital painting outfit. I especially liked the latter one, it's like an artist's dream come true!

    The Momentum system, on the other hand, powers the entire city and the D-Wheels. We've seen the consequences of the Momentum going out of hand. Then came the return of wormholes and Time Travel was introduced.

    Basically, we've seen more technology used in different manners. I also understand why you would be iffy about Time Travel being thrown in, however. But yeah, I like it.


    The symbols on the Shooting Star Dragon tablet resemble those symbols in Latin for the Prima Materia, but I'm not seeing any of those symbols match up, and some of them look more like Chinese or Japanese Kanji of some kind. Like the one where the attribute symbol should be, is certainly the symbol for "King."
    Really? I see the symbol for Terra Ponderofa. Some of the symbols resemble the alchemical symbol for the sun, but looks more like the symbol on the back of Rudger's hand. According to Poet, that would be the "Iron Sun", the Sun in the Earth or "Blood Sun".

    The attribute symbol doesn't really look like 王. The middle part is more extended.


    The last link doesn't seem to work unfortunately.
    It's a shame, really. It was a pretty good site.

    It does, but that sort of thinking and elevated consciousness where the mind transcends matter and the physical world is shared across various cultures too. It also makes me think of Zen as well.
    Yeah, that's what Shenmimengzhu and XYZ was comparing Clear Mind to as well. 10-ZONE, too. (I think that's what it was called.) Something about how the athletes enter this state while they are running at fast speeds.

    It certainly does seem to literally transmute Stardust Dragon into something better XD
    Also, note how Shooting Star emits a rainbow colored light after it's summoned. It's the Peacock's Tail! And it's fresh to boot.



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    LOL that's what I want to believe. I don't want to see dueling monsters summoning themselves onto the field anymore. T_T
    Quote Originally Posted by Lil_Yugi View Post
    The fact that it's fairly old in the OCG now leads me to believe that won't happen. That, and because I really think the GX manga has a little more dignity than that and will be more creative with Tragoedia's deck.
    I don;'t think it will happen either, for one very central reason: Tragoedia has only been shown as a spirit in the manga, never a card. He was a sealed ka, after all. Remember Diabound? He had no card in the manga (in the anime, not only did that card not represent him well, it was a throw-in to fill an episode).

    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post

    The attribute symbol doesn't really look like 王. The middle part is more extended.
    Very true; it looks much different from the Kanji "Ou". Besides, if it's not in Japanese, trying to compare it to Japanese characters is a pointless exercise anyway.

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    Now this I find interesting. Along with the Thoth Tarot. As a major point... hrm. Just checked. What's really interesting and this is more OOC... Crowley was connected to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn which rediscovered Enochian magic (Which was a recurring gimmick on Dartz's Orichalcos cards). And he also wrote an account on Atlantis... I wonder if any of his writings on Atlantis influenced the DOMA arc besides Enochian fan-service (Haven't checked it thoroughly myself, but it is free to check on the internet... hrm.)
    Just for the head-up. I don't know if you progressed with the material I sent you since, but I managed to get hold of Poet and yes, he says that there is some Crowleyism in the Atlantis stuff of Doma arc. He can't tell any off-hand examples for the time being because he hasn't seen the arc since forever.



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    Just finished reading through this entire thread...hold on for a few seconds as I let the multitude of info, theories, alchemy, hocus pocus, and other &%#&)%%( sink into my mind....

    I think one concept underlies Yugioh mainly: Alchemy.


    Anyways, this thread has officially become my favorite thread.
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    Hahahah. XD

    Yu-Gi-Oh! is full of epic geekery you can shake a stick of geekiness at. It's amazing how many Easter Eggs the franchise has. Not to mention it's much more fun to watch the show when you can shout "Prima Materia!" "Quechuan!" "Enochian!" "Alchemy!" at whatever is going on. =B

    And well, yeah. Alchemy is one of the bigger themes. Makes nice sense, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil_Yugi View Post
    He did have it. When Mr. Phoenix was laying dead in that flashback, Saturn, Venus, and the Earth were face-up on the floor while five remained face-down.
    Eight in the Planet Series in total? I guess Pluto was excluded then; but that would create a plot hole, since at the time of the game's creation Pluto was still a planet...

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    Yu-Gi-Oh! is full of epic geekery you can shake a stick of geekiness at. It's amazing how many Easter Eggs the franchise has. Not to mention it's much more fun to watch the show when you can shout "Prima Materia!" "Quechuan!" "Enochian!" "Alchemy!" at whatever is going on.
    Not to mentions all the blatant shout-outs. GaoGaiGar being a big one from GX, Transformers in 5D's, and, if the script does include that joke, Judai going, This is better than Chrono Cross!" in the Tenth Anniversary Movie. (I would laugh so hard if that was his actual line.)

    And well, yeah. Alchemy is one of the bigger themes. Makes nice sense, too.
    Alchemy is a big theme in a lot of anime, is it not? It just played a huge role in GX and, to an extent, 5D's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon View Post
    Not to mentions all the blatant shout-outs. GaoGaiGar being a big one from GX, Transformers in 5D's, and, if the script does include that joke, Judai going, This is better than Chrono Cross!" in the Tenth Anniversary Movie. (I would laugh so hard if that was his actual line.)
    Haha. Alas, Judai really just says he's excited about time travel, but the characters XYZ used for that phrase translated as "Chrono Cross". If anything, it's a fun pun from our fellow info man. Doesn't make it any less funny, though.

    Alchemy is a big theme in a lot of anime, is it not? It just played a huge role in GX and, to an extent, 5D's.
    DM also had it, with the Millennium Tome's "Shadow Alchemy" business. I have a few other ideas as well, but I still need to work out the symbolism. And counsel with good ol' Poet about it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Haha. Alas, Judai really just says he's excited about time travel, but the characters XYZ used for that phrase translated as "Chrono Cross". If anything, it's a fun pun from our fellow info man. Doesn't make it any less funny, though.
    Shame. I'd love to see Judai have a total game geek moment.

    DM also had it, with the Millennium Tome's "Shadow Alchemy" business. I have a few other ideas as well, but I still need to work out the symbolism. And counsel with good ol' Poet about it.
    Super Fusion is basically FMA's verison of a Philosopher's Stone, as are said items. In 5D's, Momentum draws on human power. In the 10th Anniversary Movie, the Great Work is represented: Sin Counterparts as Negredo, Sin Paradox as Albedo, Sin Truth as Citrinitas (not Kitolenics, Banner), and... well, nothing really for Rubedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon View Post
    Shame. I'd love to see Judai have a total game geek moment.
    I don't think Square-Enix would be too happy about it, either. XD

    Super Fusion is basically FMA's verison of a Philosopher's Stone, as are said items. In 5D's, Momentum draws on human power. In the 10th Anniversary Movie, the Great Work is represented: Sin Counterparts as Negredo, Sin Paradox as Albedo, Sin Truth as Citrinitas (not Kitolenics, Banner), and... well, nothing really for Rubedo.
    Yes, that representation of the Great Work is pretty accurate. Paradox's mask in itself represents the switch from Nigredo to Albedo -- the dead future revived and purified... except it didn't happen. Or did it?

    Although I'd say you could find alchemical symbolism in the most unlikely places. I had a poem analysed from an alchemical point of view once, even though its author may have not been familiar with alchemy and the similarity was a mere coincidence. T'was pretty fun.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    I don't think Square-Enix would be too happy about it, either. XD
    Free advertisement for their game? Why not? Sakiyomi JumpBANG took advantage of the chance.

    Although I'd say you could find alchemical symbolism in the most unlikely places. I had a poem analysed from an alchemical point of view once, even though its author may have not been familiar with alchemy and the similarity was a mere coincidence. T'was pretty fun.
    I find unusual everything everywhere. Maybe it's because I'm insane. I dunno.

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    Eight in the Planet Series in total? I guess Pluto was excluded then; but that would create a plot hole, since at the time of the game's creation Pluto was still a planet...



    Not to mentions all the blatant shout-outs. GaoGaiGar being a big one from GX, Transformers in 5D's, and, if the script does include that joke, Judai going, This is better than Chrono Cross!" in the Tenth Anniversary Movie. (I would laugh so hard if that was his actual line.)



    Alchemy is a big theme in a lot of anime, is it not? It just played a huge role in GX and, to an extent, 5D's.
    Plus sometimes I think 5D's took some Digimon stuff. I mean only the main character and his rival got their Dragons upgraded similar to Digimon. And the Buster Mode set almost reminded me of Burst Mode from Digimon. XD


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    Plus sometimes I think 5D's took some Digimon stuff. I mean only the main character and his rival got their Dragons upgraded similar to Digimon. And the Buster Mode set almost reminded me of Burst Mode from Digimon. XD
    And Red Daemon's Dragon/Buster looks like a shout out to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon View Post
    And Red Daemon's Dragon/Buster looks like a shout out to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as well.
    TTGL shout out, you said? Please meet Junk Destroyer, then :-P

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    TTGL shout out, you said? Please meet Junk Destroyer, then :-P
    Urusai seyo! Junk Destroyer is one of my faves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDust_Dragon View Post
    Free advertisement for their game? Why not? Sakiyomi JumpBANG took advantage of the chance.
    Well, Sakiyomi JumBANG was kind of working together with NAS or Konami, I assume. Square-Enix, not so much. Maybe if they were to sponsor the series, but they didn't.

    I find unusual everything everywhere. Maybe it's because I'm insane. I dunno.
    Nah, you aren't. People just notice different things, some more than others.

    Anyway, more technology speculation!

    I saw someone add a Trope on the 10th Anniversary Movie's page over TV Tropes on how Paradox's Duel Disk is compatible even with Yugi's good ol' Duel Disk. Which is, when you think about it, quite odd indeed. Of course, this begs the question: How do the Duel Disks differ from each other?

    The earliest example we have is the leap between the Duel Box and the Duel Disk prototype. Obviously, the Duel Box wasn't "too" advanced; the monster imagery could be displayed only within the box, projected off the walls, and the entire construct was stationary. Despite these disadvantages, the Duel Box was the first step towards realistic display of Duel Monsters, with its capability to drive a human insane in a mere 10 minutes.

    The next step was the Duel Disk prototype. This one has been in development since the Death-T and processes the graphic data from the microchip inside the card with its Hyper 3-D Engine. The "Solid Vision" is created using the V-2 Emulator. (Going by this, we can assume the Duel Box uses a V-1 Emulator.) Also, the monsters are capable of knocking people back, as demonstrated by Blue-Eyes destroying Red-Eyes, causing Jonouchi to fall down. However, Pegasus still needed Kaiba Corporation, and the "prototype" title shows us that the Solid Vision technology wasn't perfected yet.

    Then came the next generation of the Duel Disks, developed by Kaiba for Battle City. (V-3 Emulator, perhaps?) We can assume the Solid Vision technology was perfected, at least perfected enough for public use. It's capable of simulating Field Spells (or at least cards which transform the field) such as Kaiba's Colosseum card(?).

    The GX era Duel Disks got a redesign. I'm not sure if anything significant occurred during this generation. We see more frequent uses of the Field Spells transforming the environment in an impressive manner (such as Skyscraper). Some Duel Disks can be constructed as an utility/weapon. (e.g. O'Brien's Duel Disk) The Duel Disks may or may not have a Life Point counter on them.

    The 5D's era Duel Disks got another round of redesign. With the discovery of Momentum and the invention of the D-Wheels, I assume the newer Duel Disks were made to be compatible with D-Wheels, or at least contain a component which enables them to be so. Duel Disks are becoming more expandable and customizable, which is demonstrated by the taser in Sherry's Duel Disk or the parachute and the improved durability of Mizoguchi's Duel Disk, or the Duel Network used in Yusei's Duel Disk to get Divine his Geico Lizard moment. However, we know Yusei's Duel Disk was built by himself, and Sherry and Mizoguchi's are also likely self-built or at least greatly customized to ensure their own survival. The Duel Disks may or may not have a Life Point counter on them.

    However, we do see the return of older generation Duel Disks -- Team Taiyou's. (Or at least their D-Wheel was an old, old model. :x)

    Then there's the Tenors' Duel Disk, which is... special. They are a disc, on which the Monster cards are just inserted, rather than keeping a slot for each Monster card. The Spell/Trap slots were still intact. Their Duel Disks seem to be absent of a Life Point counter.

    Paradox's Duel Disk, in the end, appears to resemble the "regular" Duel Disks more closely; it has slots for the Monster cards, the Spell/Traps, as well as the Field Spell slot. The only notable difference is the absence of a Life Point counter, which is replaced by something looking like a life bar. (Paradox's Monsters cause actual harm as well, but the exact source of this ability is unknown -- we don't have any definite proof for it for the time being.)

    But that still begs the compatibility. After a period of time, the older Duel Disk models would be surely discarded, but that doesn't mean there's someone who still doesn't own one of the older models. Or perhaps the compatibility software of the Duel Disks is simple, because most Duel Disks serve the same purpose. That is, dueling. However, Paradox still came from the distant future, yet his Duel Disk is still compatible with Yugi's Duel Disk. And going by the Animation Book, Paradox's technology is way more advanced than the one found in Yusei's era. So yeah.

    Or you know, just MST3K Mantra, Sir. Despite that, I think that's still an interesting point, at least on a "how does technology work in YGO" level.



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    Just for the head-up. I don't know if you progressed with the material I sent you since, but I managed to get hold of Poet and yes, he says that there is some Crowleyism in the Atlantis stuff of Doma arc. He can't tell any off-hand examples for the time being because he hasn't seen the arc since forever.
    Sorry, sort of just died off and got busy with a million other things, but finally reading it. ... And immediately amused at the sudden mention of South and Central America as Atlantean colonies. Hurr.

    Also PFT at Chinese coming over as "Chrono Cross". Nerds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arynis View Post
    Well, Sakiyomi JumBANG was kind of working together with NAS or Konami, I assume. Square-Enix, not so much. Maybe if they were to sponsor the series, but they didn't.
    They should have; it would have been a great move. And then we might have been treated to even more awesome animation,

    Nah, you aren't. People just notice different things, some more than others.
    You don't know the half of it; but I'll leave it there.

    Anyway, more technology speculation!

    I saw someone add a Trope on the 10th Anniversary Movie's page over TV Tropes on how Paradox's Duel Disk is compatible even with Yugi's good ol' Duel Disk. Which is, when you think about it, quite odd indeed. Of course, this begs the question: How do the Duel Disks differ from each other?

    The earliest example we have is the leap between the Duel Box and the Duel Disk prototype. Obviously, the Duel Box wasn't "too" advanced; the monster imagery could be displayed only within the box, projected off the walls, and the entire construct was stationary. Despite these disadvantages, the Duel Box was the first step towards realistic display of Duel Monsters, with its capability to drive a human insane in a mere 10 minutes.
    Not too advanced by today's Yugioh standards; but back then it was freakin' HUGE.

    The next step was the Duel Disk prototype. This one has been in development since the Death-T and processes the graphic data from the microchip inside the card with its Hyper 3-D Engine. The "Solid Vision" is created using the V-2 Emulator. (Going by this, we can assume the Duel Box uses a V-1 Emulator.) Also, the monsters are capable of knocking people back, as demonstrated by Blue-Eyes destroying Red-Eyes, causing Jonouchi to fall down. However, Pegasus still needed Kaiba Corporation, and the "prototype" title shows us that the Solid Vision technology wasn't perfected yet.

    Then came the next generation of the Duel Disks, developed by Kaiba for Battle City. (V-3 Emulator, perhaps?) We can assume the Solid Vision technology was perfected, at least perfected enough for public use. It's capable of simulating Field Spells (or at least cards which transform the field) such as Kaiba's Colosseum card(?).
    The Colosseum wasn't a card; it was his own personal simulation so he could beat Yugi in front of a crowd. Yeah, right...

    The GX era Duel Disks got a redesign. I'm not sure if anything significant occurred during this generation. We see more frequent uses of the Field Spells transforming the environment in an impressive manner (such as Skyscraper). Some Duel Disks can be constructed as an utility/weapon. (e.g. O'Brien's Duel Disk) The Duel Disks may or may not have a Life Point counter on them.
    Oh, they all have Life Point meters; they're just not visible at all times. And other than that the Discs stopped projecting those flying hologram generators (not surprising since they were dropped altogether after Battle City, with no explanation as to why...), I didn't see any redesigns that were non-cosmetic. Even O-Brien's Disc still functions like a regular Duel Disc.

    The 5D's era Duel Disks got another round of redesign. With the discovery of Momentum and the invention of the D-Wheels, I assume the newer Duel Disks were made to be compatible with D-Wheels, or at least contain a component which enables them to be so. Duel Disks are becoming more expandable and customizable, which is demonstrated by the taser in Sherry's Duel Disk or the parachute and the improved durability of Mizoguchi's Duel Disk, or the Duel Network used in Yusei's Duel Disk to get Divine his Geico Lizard moment. However, we know Yusei's Duel Disk was built by himself, and Sherry and Mizoguchi's are also likely self-built or at least greatly customized to ensure their own survival. The Duel Disks may or may not have a Life Point counter on them.
    Again, they probably have Life Point meters. You kinda need those to play the game properly. However, they do not include an Extra DEck Zone, as shown in Episode 22 when that Duel Profiler called out "Black Rose Dragon". This is as opposed to just fulling Fusion Monsters from your Deck (thank you Hell Kaiser) or from somewhere completely unknown (pretty much the whole cast of GX).

    However, we do see the return of older generation Duel Disks -- Team Taiyou's. (Or at least their D-Wheel was an old, old model. :x)
    Yusei's Duel Disc was clearly made from a Battle City one, remember...?

    Then there's the Tenors' Duel Disk, which is... special. They are a disc, on which the Monster cards are just inserted, rather than keeping a slot for each Monster card. The Spell/Trap slots were still intact. Their Duel Disks seem to be absent of a Life Point counter.
    In their case yes; but there's most likely one somewhere. Oh, and everyone's is different; Placido's is his awesome sword, Lucciano's is the floating wire support for his cloak, and Jose's is his torso plate.

    Paradox's Duel Disk, in the end, appears to resemble the "regular" Duel Disks more closely; it has slots for the Monster cards, the Spell/Traps, as well as the Field Spell slot. The only notable difference is the absence of a Life Point counter, which is replaced by something looking like a life bar. (Paradox's Monsters cause actual harm as well, but the exact source of this ability is unknown -- we don't have any definite proof for it for the time being.)
    Other than being a hybrid model, it's as you said normal (the real monsters is likely his power, not the Disc's).

    But that still begs the compatibility. After a period of time, the older Duel Disk models would be surely discarded, but that doesn't mean there's someone who still doesn't own one of the older models. Or perhaps the compatibility software of the Duel Disks is simple, because most Duel Disks serve the same purpose. That is, dueling. However, Paradox still came from the distant future, yet his Duel Disk is still compatible with Yugi's Duel Disk. And going by the Animation Book, Paradox's technology is way more advanced than the one found in Yusei's era. So yeah.
    Older Windows cannot run new software, but newer Windows can run older software. I'm guessing that new Duel Discs have adaptable frequencies so they can adapt to older models. Or, perhaps Paradox's D-Wheel set up a universal frequency that all 4 Diuscs can off of (which begs the question of how the duel didn't end after he blew up his D-Wheel).

    Or you know, just MST3K Mantra, Sir. Despite that, I think that's still an interesting point, at least on a "how does technology work in YGO" level.
    It certainly is.

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    Sorry, sort of just died off and got busy with a million other things, but finally reading it. ... And immediately amused at the sudden mention of South and Central America as Atlantean colonies. Hurr.

    Also PFT at Chinese coming over as "Chrono Cross". Nerds.

    Edit: Holy shit at Arynis suddenly posting.
    Don't worry about it. It's pretty inevitable most of us will get occupied again thanks to school/university/stuff.

    Haha, that is amusing.

    That was pretty much Heleen's and my reaction when we were going through the summary translation. XD

    Hah, for me it was "Holy shit at Ark suddenly posting". I thought you managed to reply to my wall of text in just a few minutes.


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    You don't know the half of it; but I'll leave it there.
    My apologies, then.

    Not too advanced by today's Yugioh standards; but back then it was freakin' HUGE.
    That's true.

    The Colosseum wasn't a card; it was his own personal simulation so he could beat Yugi in front of a crowd. Yeah, right...
    Ahh, I see. I only watched the end episode of that duel (just for Dark Paladin), and I obviously missed the beginning of the duel. I knew there was this Colosseum card, and I assumed he used that as a Field Spell or something. What I get for not watching the duel in full...

    Oh, they all have Life Point meters; they're just not visible at all times. And other than that the Discs stopped projecting those flying hologram generators (not surprising since they were dropped altogether after Battle City, with no explanation as to why...), I didn't see any redesigns that were non-cosmetic. Even O-Brien's Disc still functions like a regular Duel Disc.
    Ah, okay. I remember those flying hologram generators, though. Those were pretty weird, but it shows how the monster image may have been generated (with the Duel Disk reading the image data and sending the information into the generators). I guess it was dropped due to inconvenience.

    Again, they probably have Life Point meters. You kinda need those to play the game properly. However, they do not include an Extra DEck Zone, as shown in Episode 22 when that Duel Profiler called out "Black Rose Dragon". This is as opposed to just fulling Fusion Monsters from your Deck (thank you Hell Kaiser) or from somewhere completely unknown (pretty much the whole cast of GX).
    Yeah, I suppose it could be a potentially forgettable fact due to the LP counters not being visible on every Duel Disk, as well as the convenience of the LP meters being shown on the screen for us.

    The lack of Extra Deck is sure a bizarre thing.


    Yusei's Duel Disc was clearly made from a Battle City one, remember...?
    Yes, yes. I suppose I overlooked his because of being an odd hybrid Duel Disk.

    Other than being a hybrid model, it's as you said normal (the real monsters is likely his power, not the Disc's).
    Agreed on the power part -- the Animation Book refers to the "Power of Sin". It was just never elaborated on in the movie itself (apart from Yubel noting that Paradox's deck contains a terrible power), at least to our current knowledge.

    Older Windows cannot run new software, but newer Windows can run older software. I'm guessing that new Duel Discs have adaptable frequencies so they can adapt to older models. Or, perhaps Paradox's D-Wheel set up a universal frequency that all 4 Diuscs can off of (which begs the question of how the duel didn't end after he blew up his D-Wheel).
    That's a good point. Or it was his Duel Disk that set up the universal frequency for all other Duel Disks, which stayed intact.



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    Ahh, I see. I only watched the end episode of that duel (just for Dark Paladin), and I obviously missed the beginning of the duel. I knew there was this Colosseum card, and I assumed he used that as a Field Spell or something. What I get for not watching the duel in full...
    There are a number of Colosseum cards; but this was just Kaiba's Wangst-driven ego at work.

    Ah, okay. I remember those flying hologram generators, though. Those were pretty weird, but it shows how the monster image may have been generated (with the Duel Disk reading the image data and sending the information into the generators). I guess it was dropped due to inconvenience.
    Though it doesn't explain how the continue to generate holograms without them...

    Yeah, I suppose it could be a potentially forgettable fact due to the LP counters not being visible on every Duel Disk, as well as the convenience of the LP meters being shown on the screen for us.

    The lack of Extra Deck is sure a bizarre thing.
    It stems from the original manga, where Fusion Monsters didn't have their own card. This was clearly changed for the anime, but no equivalent changes were made in the Disc design.

    Agreed on the power part -- the Animation Book refers to the "Power of Sin". It was just never elaborated on in the movie itself (apart from Yubel noting that Paradox's deck contains a terrible power), at least to our current knowledge.
    She's one to talk; but yes.

    That's a good point. Or it was his Duel Disk that set up the universal frequency for all other Duel Disks, which stayed intact.
    That's possible as well.

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    The duel disk projectors were used in Battle City, and were dropped on the Battle Ship and Duel Tower (and Virtual World) becasue the projectors were already built in to the surroundings. I guess NAS just forgot about them when DOMA cam around. GX and 5D's have the excuse of better technology (and, I gues spirit worlds and psychic powers.) considering the tech in the YGO-verse was more advanced in the late nineties than ours is today, as far as holograms are concerned. Still, it would have been nice to see the projectors fly out of the disks. It was awesome seeing the duelists take a pose while projectors flew out and the disk unfolded.

    Where the projectors used in R, or were they forgotten about there too? I don't really remember. =/



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    Where the projectors used in R, or were they forgotten about there too? I don't really remember. =/
    The bat-winged projectors were anime-only.

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