Yu-Gi-Oh! 3D Bonds Beyond Time

[63cohen]

Found another "touch up" image and its not a change fot the best.

Original
http://www.uploadimage.com.ar/images/24239513300217751448.png

4kids dub
http://www.uploadimage.com.ar/images...0805924277.png

To be honest, I really don't care for such minute differences.

[SilverButterfly]

So...I ended up realizing that certain scenes were redrawn in the dub version. I only noticed 3 scenes, but there's possibly more. I screen capped them for comparison sake.



I have no clue why they redrew this scene; and to be frank, it looks like shit.



Again, no idea why they couldn't just have him laughing, as opposed to saying "Excellent!"



Okay, so this change isn't too bad, though I wonder where Paradox's hair went in the dub.

When I've seen the original movie and I watched the 4KIDS Version, I thought the same thing: WTF!!? Why They like to do this?

[natsuari]

Found another "touch up" image and its not a change fot the best.

Original
http://www.uploadimage.com.ar/images/24239513300217751448.png

4kids dub
http://www.uploadimage.com.ar/images...0805924277.png

Yeah, definitely don't like the 4kids version on that. I don't even mind the other three changes so much (aside from the missing hair) but I hate the face 4kids gave Yusei...

[63cohen]

Yeah, definitely don't like the 4kids version on that. I don't even mind the other three changes so much (aside from the missing hair) but I hate the face 4kids gave Yusei...

4kids didn't give Yusei any face ... Big misconception there.

[Siliva]

Yeah, definitely don't like the 4kids version on that. I don't even mind the other three changes so much (aside from the missing hair) but I hate the face 4kids gave Yusei...

It's more of just: Japan gave 4Kids the theatrical version of the movie, and then went and touched up some weird things for their own DVD release in Japan. Not really 4Kids editing the animation. (Especially since the dub movie is more or less unedited)

[GymLeaderLance99]

.....something tells me that these "touchup" images were just the original masters and not the Japanese DVD masters

That's the vibe I'm getting. I mean, the dub shots being pointed out are the same shots from the endings in 5D's that were touched up on the DVD. (That said, Yusei's face in the original master just cracks me up for some reason, lol.)

Elsewhere, I finally got the next test clip all set:

Spoiler: Songs

1) The View of America - DM Sound Duel 3 Track 18 (suggested by Ryusaki, I think)
2) The Darkness Wakes - DM Sound Duel 1 Track 39
3) Introduction - DM Duel I Track 1
4) Jealousy - GX Sound Duel 2 Track 15

"The View of America" was fun to work with, since it's such a good song. Got me thinking a bit creatively on how to loop it, too, since it's about 2:30 long. I threw in "Introduction" since it's another classic song and I thought it fit there (the mysterious Crimson Dragon coming at Yugi and all), and "Jealousy" gets a nice job done, IMO. Thoughts?

[Kyte]

Don't know, kinda liked more on the 4Kids touch-up than the newer. He seems more surprised/taken back from what Yugi said, but isn't that drastic so it's fine. The other touch ups in the Japanese DVD though is so much better, especially the shots on Yugi and Paradox.

[SilverButterfly]

Hey... I found this Movie Version loaded on Youtube (5 videos):






I think that we can watch it ...meanwhile 4KIDS...


And how you can see, A lot of the images of the Movie are touch up images

[Makoeyes987]

That's the vibe I'm getting. I mean, the dub shots being pointed out are the same shots from the endings in 5D's that were touched up on the DVD. (That said, Yusei's face in the original master just cracks me up for some reason, lol.)

Elsewhere, I finally got the next test clip all set:

Spoiler: Songs

1) The View of America - DM Sound Duel 3 Track 18 (suggested by Ryusaki, I think)
2) The Darkness Wakes - DM Sound Duel 1 Track 39
3) Introduction - DM Duel I Track 1
4) Jealousy - GX Sound Duel 2 Track 15

"The View of America" was fun to work with, since it's such a good song. Got me thinking a bit creatively on how to loop it, too, since it's about 2:30 long. I threw in "Introduction" since it's another classic song and I thought it fit there (the mysterious Crimson Dragon coming at Yugi and all), and "Jealousy" gets a nice job done, IMO. Thoughts?

I'm not that big a fan of "View of America" at all. So I'm kinda just meh on that track choice, to be honest. "Battle City" seems so much better for this.

"The Darkness Wakes" is a damn good track, however the problem is, is that the scene ends before the best part of the track is able to be played. Only a small portion of that whole piece of music is used before it cuts to the next scene where it wouldn't be appropriate. So while it's a good song, it doesn't get to its main cadence before the scene changes to something else.

LOL the "Introduction" theme of DM is surprisingly funny yet applicable to the Crimson Dragon eating him. I liked that one.

"Jealousy" worked rather well too. But I'm more partial to GoldenUmi's choice of using the "Mystery" Doma track he used for that.

All in all though, great job adding the music and balancing it with the dialogue. You're doing an awesome job!`

[Lung]

Found another "touch up" image and its not a change fot the best.

Original
http://www.uploadimage.com.ar/images/24239513300217751448.png

4kids dub
http://www.uploadimage.com.ar/images...0805924277.png

I ****ing knew there was something wrong with that scene, and I couldn't figure out what. And now I want to rip my hair out.

He looked adorable in the original; that touch up looks like he fell asleep on the couch, and someone decided to stick eyeshadow on him for the lolz. Ugh.

[MephistoDP]

Allow me to point this out for those who don't bother to read the previous pages.

The UK DVD used the Original Theatrical Master of the movie.

This means that 4Kids used the master that was used for the US/UK theatrical run and the original Japanese theatrical run.
The R2J DVD has a REVISED master.
The encode that GoldenUmi posted on his site (and the download forum, i believe) is the revised master. The UK DVD uses the old master.

Sorry if I sound rude, but people have been getting the whole "touch-ups" thing flipped.

[Austin21926]

Thanks, Mexican Cell, you're always so helpful and... perfect!

This was actually my first time watching 4KIds' recap. It was ok, but the absence of Judai's sacrifice/merger and return is hilarious. Still, some of the moments in the recap couldn't help but make me groan.

[Lung]

Either way, you have to admit, the movie looked pretty ridiculous with some of those differences.

I yawned my way through the 4Kids recap, since GX was the only one out of the 3 that I didn't really follow (And I was surprised that the sacrifice and merger was missing as well. The movie seems to imply that in Jaden's world, everything's said and done.). That was actually the point where I realized I wasn't very fond of Jaden's voice. I think I said this on the previous page, but if it was slightly higher pitched, and didn't sound as forced, it would have been fine.

[PTDmaster]

I don't know why, it makes me laugh most of the 5D's footage is just from openings and endings. Scenes that weren't even IN the dub openings nonetheless.

[natsuari]

Allow me to point this out for those who don't bother to read the previous pages.



This means that 4Kids used the master that was used for the US/UK theatrical run and the original Japanese theatrical run.
The R2J DVD has a REVISED master.
The encode that GoldenUmi posted on his site (and the download forum, i believe) is the revised master. The UK DVD uses the old master.

Sorry if I sound rude, but people have been getting the whole "touch-ups" thing flipped.

Yeah, I kinda realized that as I was typing it. Sorry for causing any untoward trouble. If they didn't add ten extra minutes of animation to the movie (aside from their "recap") then there's no way they'd actually mess with re-drawing anything that's not Japanese text. But I still feel the untouched up face is ugly. The other faces and hands just don't look "as good." And it is a shame about the missing Paradox hair too. I guess Kagami-shi can't draw every frame…! Kind of reminds me of the travesty of the final arc of DM… (I wonder if those scenes (Kaiba's CHIN) were corrected on the DVDs, or if that is thing for newer (2000s) anime only…?)

[GymLeaderLance99]

I'm not that big a fan of "View of America" at all. So I'm kinda just meh on that track choice, to be honest. "Battle City" seems so much better for this.

True, "Battle City" is another pretty good track to use. But since we're doing multiple versions, there's no harm in trying different stuff out, right?

Odds are, we'll probably be going with "Battle City" for that "community" version and I'll try using "View of America" in my version. I'll work on a test clip for it tomorrow or Friday.

"The Darkness Wakes" is a damn good track, however the problem is, is that the scene ends before the best part of the track is able to be played. Only a small portion of that whole piece of music is used before it cuts to the next scene where it wouldn't be appropriate. So while it's a good song, it doesn't get to its main cadence before the scene changes to something else.

Yeah, I just didn't feel like having the rest of it play over the wreckage would work well (or having any song over it), so I thought using the beginning and having it end as Pegasus is crushed would do the trick. I guess "Wrath of God" would probably be the better choice, and I should be able to loop it so it works as well. I'll test it out with "Battle City".

LOL the "Introduction" theme of DM is surprisingly funny yet applicable to the Crimson Dragon eating him. I liked that one.

Haha, yeah, that's the only short track I could think of putting there that'd fit, lol. Thought about one of those dramatic "Turn End" themes from SD1, but I didn't think they fit much since the Crimson Dragon's not all that evil. And hey, it's another good ol' throwback track!

"Jealousy" worked rather well too. But I'm more partial to GoldenUmi's choice of using the "Mystery" Doma track he used for that.

I would've also used "Mystery", except I'm planning to use it a bit later with my version (when Paradox shows up). So, I figured I'd show GX a little love there, lol.

All in all though, great job adding the music and balancing it with the dialogue. You're doing an awesome job!

Thanks, I always appreciate the feedback. It helps make sure they're coming out well, haha.

[GoldenUmi]

That's the vibe I'm getting. I mean, the dub shots being pointed out are the same shots from the endings in 5D's that were touched up on the DVD. (That said, Yusei's face in the original master just cracks me up for some reason, lol.)

Elsewhere, I finally got the next test clip all set:

Spoiler: Songs

1) The View of America - DM Sound Duel 3 Track 18 (suggested by Ryusaki, I think)
2) The Darkness Wakes - DM Sound Duel 1 Track 39
3) Introduction - DM Duel I Track 1
4) Jealousy - GX Sound Duel 2 Track 15

"The View of America" was fun to work with, since it's such a good song. Got me thinking a bit creatively on how to loop it, too, since it's about 2:30 long. I threw in "Introduction" since it's another classic song and I thought it fit there (the mysterious Crimson Dragon coming at Yugi and all), and "Jealousy" gets a nice job done, IMO. Thoughts?

I agree with Mako on View of America. I actually like the track unlike him, but I don't think it works in that scene too well in my opinion.

Always love Awakening of Darkness, so no complaints. I think the Egyptian track is out of place as Mako has said many times, so keeping the first choir part works best and cutting the rest.

Wow, that track felt comedic in a sense... I guess it works because of the look on his face, but it was kind of meh to me, as I'm not too fond of that track as a whole. It did work in DM for the intro, but nowhere else in the show.

Jealousy is a good track - no complaints.

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I think I will attempt to do a few more samples for tomorrow or Friday. I'll see how things go I guess.

[Lung]

Oh hi, I found another one.



Still using "Original" and "Dub" because I really don't care.

[DarkYami]

...Why does the dub touch up insist on making Yusei look constipated?

[63cohen]

...Why does the dub touch up insist on making Yusei look constipated?

Well, considering it is being insisted on which is the touch up and which is not ... I would have to say the only real addition/subtraction (depending on how you look at it) is the arm. Don't think it changes the scene that much.

[YYugi]

Good found F_L, now I want to watch it to find more of this changes that look interesting

Where are you guys watching the UK dub?

I think the expression was fine in the dub but sure the original did a good job removing the arm of the scene since it looked weird there.

Edit: Oh wait! I found the YT Links up there

Edit 2:
I found a change
At 10:16 of the third video you can see Sin Cyber end dragon head go down but in the original it is just there.

Found another "touch up" image and its not a change fot the best.

Original
http://www.uploadimage.com.ar/images/24239513300217751448.png

4kids dub
http://www.uploadimage.com.ar/images...0805924277.png

Thats why I love you Shuuji

I ****ing knew there was something wrong with that scene, and I couldn't figure out what. And now I want to rip my hair out.

He looked adorable in the original; that touch up looks like he fell asleep on the couch, and someone decided to stick eyeshadow on him for the lolz. Ugh.

Lol, yeah, sometimes Hara make those scary faces xD
I like his style, but it isn't cute as Shuuji's one *squeee*

Also, now looking at the scene itself, that face didn't fit at all. wth Hara >_<

[Lung]

Can I just that I'm thoroughly shocked the dub didn't edit Aki's garters and cleavage? They're usually fiends for that, yet I did a side by side comparison, and nothing was changed in any scene she was in.

Again, I'm shocked.

[MAX_COLA_POWER]

Same with Mana with her cleave, legs, and pendant. That alone made the movie for me.

[Siliva]

Can I just that I'm thoroughly shocked the dub didn't edit Aki's garters and cleavage? They're usually fiends for that, yet I did a side by side comparison, and nothing was changed in any scene she was in.

Again, I'm shocked.

Probably because they don't have any sort of crazy BS&P to tell them to change anything that's even slightly offensive. :T

Which confuses me all the more as to why the edited the cards to begin with. =v=" I doubt they have the FCC to fap to, considering all the other in-film advertising that goes on in theaters these days...

[MephistoDP]

Ok, for those who are interested, I have made a comparison image to show the changes between the original master and the revised master.
<------Clicky here!! And make it full size!!
(I tried everything to make it so it would show up in full size in this post.)
I might have missed a few, but I got all that catched my eye.

[Goesasu]

Ok, for those who are interested, I have made a comparison image to show the changes between the original master and the revised master.
Attachment 7424<------Clicky here!! And make it full size!!
(I tried everything to make it so it would show up in full size in this post.)
I might have missed a few, but I got all that catched my eye.

Good job finding them out, i only found 2 but mines where not that hard to notice. A lot of the ones you found would be impossible to me to find them.

[YYugi]

Ok, for those who are interested, I have made a comparison image to show the changes between the original master and the revised master.
Attachment 7424<------Clicky here!! And make it full size!!
(I tried everything to make it so it would show up in full size in this post.)
I might have missed a few, but I got all that catched my eye.

The Dub is lying on the last one xD

Also, I like the Dub version of 8, 20,21st ones

[Lia]

Ok, for those who are interested, I have made a comparison image to show the changes between the original master and the revised master.
Attachment 7424<------Clicky here!! And make it full size!!
(I tried everything to make it so it would show up in full size in this post.)
I might have missed a few, but I got all that catched my eye.

Even these that caught your eye are far more than I suspected. O.O Didn't believe there are that many redraws. But have to admit I prefer the dub version of Paradox's close up face (where his nostrils are seen) His wicked smile looks better. xD

[Lung]

Ahaha, there were a couple there that I thought looked different from each other when watching both movies. Definitely like the revised master the best.

[Kyte]

Don't know if it's mentioned, but when Paradox has his Yami Malik moment, in the revised version his face moves more as he talks while in the original it was just his jaw and mouth.

[Kaiba222]

Here are the Scans of The Booklet that came with Japanese Release of DVD...Click Me To See Them

Spoiler: a taste of the scan(s)

[Lia]

Thanks for the scans, Kaiba222.

[Lung]

Yes, thanks for the those scans. <3 (:

[Kaiba222]

Thanks for the scans, Kaiba222.

Yes, thanks for the those scans. <3 (:

You are both welcomed for the scans and glad you liked them too.

-KB222

[dbret12]

This movie was really good in the Japanese version, but the dub wasn't too bad, apart from not saying die and annoying BGM changes.

[dbret12]

I was watching both the Japanese version and the dub of the movie, and I noticed those image differences, so I went back and paused them both and looked at them.