Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[63cohen]

I understood what you said, now it's time for you to understand what *I* have been saying. Yes, they own the rights, and yes, they can modify parts of it, small parts, but there are things that will never be considered acceptable. Switching chapters around and/or ignoring chapters or arcs is never going to be acceptable.

That is only your opinion, not a fact. Viz can literally release the manga however they wish. They are given that right by the original owners, let it be you like it or not. Same goes for 4kids (I like to draw this connection as 4kids and Viz work together on the property as a whole).

Kindly get off your high horse. Not only was I giving you good advice, ie think before you talk (and in this case carefully read what the other person has written before answering), but as for the matter of disproving you, if I did, then it's because I am right about this. Besides, it's not as though you're not right on some level, ie as far as small changes to a manga go, you're just not right about what would be considered acceptable changes by any company, rights or no rights. As for being rude, sorry if it seemed that way, but frankly, the tone of Makoeyes987's first reply of August 26th made me a bit angry, and it didn't exactly get better from that point on.

Act however you want, but it from what I have seen from your posts, not many are going to be friendly to you. You seem to act like you are always right, such as your idea nothing can be touched by Viz or it is copyright infringment. Even though they own the manga everywhere except Asia. You are wrong on that.

I had the same problem before, but have been told I don't do it as much anymore.

I debated ignoring this nonsense, but decided against it. First of all, no, I did not take you off topic, the topic was headed in that direction and I happened to join in on the conversation. Secondly, you have no right to be telling anyone what to do, least of all in bold, which I removed for you.

Sorry to say, you seemed to bring it up by saying the "latter borders on copyright infringment". You kinda opened up the door that is off-topic there. Even if the manga was brought up, you encouraged this with that one statement.

[PharaohAtem]

That is only your opinion, not a fact. Viz can literally release the manga however they wish. They are given that right by the original owners, let it be you like it or not. Same goes for 4kids (I like to draw this connection as 4kids and Viz work together on the property as a whole).

It's not an opinion that some things simply aren't done because they aren't acceptable, it's the norm. Ie, the way things are done.

Act however you want, but it from what I have seen from your posts, not many are going to be friendly to you. You seem to act like you are always right, such as your idea nothing can be touched by Viz or it is copyright infringment. Even though they own the manga everywhere except Asia. You are wrong on that.

I had the same problem before, but have been told I don't do it as much anymore.

You fall back on repetitiveness when you have no answer, whereas my argument was a logical one. You are the one saying whatever they want and who is wrong on this topic, like it or not.

Sorry to say, you seemed to bring it up by saying the "latter borders on copyright infringment". You kinda opened up the door that is off-topic there. Even if the manga was brought up, you encouraged this with that one statement.

Absolutely not. This thread was off topic long before I ever put in my two cents. Not to mention this isn't even the first time we've discussed something else on this thread, and even then I was only joining in on someone else's mentioned comment.

[63cohen]

I guess all of us are wrong on what Viz can and cannot do. Even though they have already done it and have had nothing filed against them. And that happens to be your opinion on what should be done. There is no norm, that is your opinion.

[Starry]

Dude please stop trying to prove a moot point. No one cares about the alterations done to the Viz manga in this day and age. Especially when if they want to experience what the author's original work was they can do so with the power of the internetz.

Your idea of copyright laws is hilariously bad. Please go read up on them.

Now. Any hope that this movie might get some extras tacked on for the DVD release? Anybody? *crickets*

[Makoeyes987]

....Huh? Wait, how are Cohen's ideas of copyright hilariously bad? o.O

[Arynis]

Wait, how do you know how much the movie grossed so far? Where are you getting the full figures to say its a flop?

https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/int...IOHMOVIESUPE01

This site has the box office information. According to that site, the movie only grossed about 2 million dollars. Somewhat more on that if you count South Korea, however.

Now. Any hope that this movie might get some extras tacked on for the DVD release? Anybody? *crickets*

No idea on that, but 2CH posted a page written by pigmon on the World Championship and the movie stuff from there.

http://www4.atword.jp/pigmon/2010/08/18/

It's all in Japanese, however.

[Ryusaki]

This site has the box office information. According to that site, the movie only grossed about 2 million dollars. Somewhat more on that if you count South Korea, however.

The film didn't get a mass release though, did it?

Also, a suggestion that when we get on to the next thread maybe the title of the movie should be "Super Fusion! Bonds Beyond Time". I'm far from a guy who'd suggest moving to dub terms, but when the dub title genuinely means the same thing then it seems reasonable to do.

[Arynis]

The movie was advertised as to be released in Japanese theaters, so seeing South Korea on the list was a surprise to me.

And sure, no problem. It's fine with me.

[63cohen]

....Huh? Wait, how are Cohen's ideas of copyright hilariously bad? o.O

Starry was talking about the one I was having a nice debate with.

My main question is what the budget of the film was.

[Arynis]

I don't think we have any information on that anywhere, Cohen.

I know NAS was wanting more viewers, though. I recall this news(?) report from NAS back in March(?) that about 250000 people went to see the movie, and they expected the number of viewers to hit 300000. No idea if they managed to reach that number or not.

Also, while I am at it...

PS. PharaohAtem, please do us a favor and give a nice, long read to this article.

[PharaohAtem]

I guess all of us are wrong on what Viz can and cannot do. Even though they have already done it and have had nothing filed against them. And that happens to be your opinion on what should be done. There is no norm, that is your opinion.

They never did what I told you was unacceptable, thereby proving my point that it is not considered acceptable.

Dude please stop trying to prove a moot point. No one cares about the alterations done to the Viz manga in this day and age. Especially when if they want to experience what the author's original work was they can do so with the power of the internetz.

Sorry, but no random bolding. I never asked you to care, and I never tried to prove any point. I merely made the very obvious point that when one want to refer to a chapter of the Yugioh series, they should make clear which chapter they're referring to. If you're referring to chapter 1 of Duelist Kingdom arc, for instance, it's hardly the same thing as if you're referring to just "chapter 1", ie chapter 1 of the entire series. This is the *only* point I was trying to make, and it is a very good one. Your behaving in a snotty fashion doesn't change that.

Starry was talking about the one I was having a nice debate with.

At least don't lie and pretend to have been nice...

PS. PharaohAtem, please do us a favor and give a nice, long read to this article.

Darling, kindly give this link to Makoeyes987. I'm not the one who started out in rude mode just because they were asked to properly specify which chapter of the manga they were referring to so as to avoid confusion. As far as I'm concerned, you're merely trying to throw attention off of my real point, and this was it.

[Gin]

They never did what I told you was unacceptable, thereby proving my point that it is not considered acceptable.

...could you kindly repeat that in an understandable fashion? Or, rather, don't -- you're perpetuating thread derailment while everyone else tries to get back on topic. Please, desist.

Sorry, but no random bolding. I never asked you to care, and I never tried to prove any point. I merely made the very obvious point that when one want to refer to a chapter of the Yugioh series, they should make clear which chapter they're referring to. If you're referring to chapter 1 of Duelist Kingdom arc, for instance, it's hardly the same thing as if you're referring to just "chapter 1", ie chapter 1 of the entire series. This is the *only* point I was trying to make, and it is a very good one. Your behaving in a snotty fashion doesn't change that.

Sorry, but please don't go around telling people what to do. Emphasis is perfectly acceptable, especially in a medium whereby we cannot tell exactly what the other person(s) in a debate -- as begrudgingly as I use such a term to refer to this -- what we mean. In real life, half the meaning of a sentence is carried by inflection and body language. On the internet, we can't use those things, hence people resort to alternatives such as bold, italics, underlining, capslock, and emoticons. It's a perfectly viable method of communication.

Also, if you weren't trying to prove a point, why did you continue arguing? Looking over your posts, I see no such "obvious point" - only a nonsensical comment about scantalators being more legal than official publishers - and a response which was distinctly unhelpful.

Accusing people of "snotty behaviour" is not on. If you can't handle the heat of valid disagreement, then perhaps a forum (where, after all, the point is to discuss and conflicting viewpoints are encouraged) is not the appropriate place for you to be.

At least don't lie and pretend to have been nice...

Sounded more like Sarcasm Mode to me, but then again, the internet is notorious for misunderstandings. Also, again, what gives you the right to tell other people what to do?

Darling, kindly give this link to Makoeyes987. I'm not the one who started out in rude mode just because they were asked to properly specify which chapter of the manga they were referring to so as to avoid confusion. As far as I'm concerned, you're merely trying to throw attention off of my real point, and this was it.

*reads and re-reads Mako's first comment of 26th July, the one flagged as being "rude"*

Personally, I see a question, with some slight grammatical issues, but otherwise sound. No rudeness at all. Whereas your tone has been consistently condescending, based on opinion, and reverting to ad hominems whenever you feel "threatened". The world doesn't revolve around you, nor any of us -- so, please, grow up.

[Starry]

*Reps Gin like a boss*

@Makoeyes - Yeah that was directed towards Atem, sorry if I caused confusion ^^;

Now moving on before a mod finds this, I would agree with Ryusaki that we can use the dub title. Especially when the original Japanese one is misleading since Super Fusion is never used in the movie.

[Ryusaki]

Now moving on before a mod finds this, I would agree with Ryusaki that we can use the dub title. Especially when the original Japanese one is misleading since Super Fusion is never used in the movie.

Naw, I don't mean get rid of the 'Super Fusion'. In the movie or not, it's part of the title. I just say change the translation of the other bit to be the same as the dub, since they mean the same thing. Probably not that controversial.

[Arynis]

Moving on, moving on...

From 2CH: (Post 937)

http://niyaniya.info/pic/img/9701.jpg

This has been kind of a known fact, but this shot confirms that the "Dark Yugi wears Duel Disk and jacket" scene has been fixed for the future, English release.

[Lia]

Moving on, moving on...

From 2CH: (Post 937)

http://niyaniya.info/pic/img/9701.jpg

This has been kind of a known fact, but this shot confirms that the "Dark Yugi wears Duel Disk and jacket" scene has been fixed for the future, English release.

So in the english version the sleeve will be removed? Good that 4KID'S dealed with the animation errors....well...at least with this one. xD

[Makoeyes987]

I had to use a proxy to see that image.

But hold on. I'm confused on what they fixed? What was wrong? Why did they make Yugi's arm bare?

[Starry]

I had to use a proxy to see that image.

But hold on. I'm confused on what they fixed? What was wrong? Why did they make Yugi's arm bare?

Because Yami Yugi was dueling and he doesn't wear sleeves.

Here's the image reuploaded on tinypic: http://i33.tinypic.com/2n16mh3.jpg

[Arynis]

So in the english version the sleeve will be removed?

I guess so, seeing how the bottom shot is presumably from the dub trailer.

I had to use a proxy to see that image.

But hold on. I'm confused on what they fixed? What was wrong? Why did they make Yugi's arm bare?

Yugi was wearing his jacket like a cape. Therefore, he can't be wearing his jacket if he's wearing it as a cape. His arms should be bare.

See here:

[Allana]

Moving on, moving on...

From 2CH: (Post 937)

http://niyaniya.info/pic/img/9701.jpg

This has been kind of a known fact, but this shot confirms that the "Dark Yugi wears Duel Disk and jacket" scene has been fixed for the future, English release.

@Mako: Yugi's arm bear a sleeve instead of he shoudn't in original version. I noticed it the frst time I saw the preview.

EDIT: Thanks Starry!

[Makoeyes987]

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[FONT="Tahoma"]Yugi was wearing his jacket like a cape. Therefore, he can't be wearing his jacket if he's wearing it as a cape. His arms should be bare.

Wow, I can't believe I didn't notice that.

Oh that's right, I was too busy FANGASMING like a child on crack over the three of them being on screen I totally lost track of continuity. XD

[Arynis]

Wow, I can't believe I didn't notice that.

Oh that's right, I was too busy FANGASMING like a child on crack over the three of them being on screen I totally lost track of continuity. XD

Haha. It happens. XD

There were other errors too. Like clipping issues with Paradox's skirtcoat and his D-Wheel when it's transforming. Or Dark Yugi lacking a mouth for the duration of one frame. Hopefully those have been fixed as well, especially with the time it takes the movie to be released.

[Gin]

Wow, I can't believe I didn't notice that.

Oh that's right, I was too busy FANGASMING like a child on crack over the three of them being on screen I totally lost track of continuity. XD

*tries to equate this with Mako's NERDRAGE mode*

*does not compute*

*bursts out laughing*

On more sensible territory, I'm not so fond of the other edits. Juudai/Jaden's fist looks too fat, now, and Yuusei's arm looks like it's in a really uncomfortable position.

...ouch I just hurt my elbow trying to mimic it. That was definitely not one of my smarter moments.

~~EDIT~~

...and now I realise that it was in a sensible position in the dub edit after all. Great. Elbow hurting for no reason.

~~EDIT take II~~

...and the "edits" I'm grumbling about are, according to Ary, just different frames. Now I feel really smart.

[PharaohAtem]

...could you kindly repeat that in an understandable fashion? Or, rather, don't -- you're perpetuating thread derailment while everyone else tries to get back on topic. Please, desist.

Sorry, but please don't go around telling people what to do. Emphasis is perfectly acceptable, especially in a medium whereby we cannot tell exactly what the other person(s) in a debate -- as begrudgingly as I use such a term to refer to this -- what we mean. In real life, half the meaning of a sentence is carried by inflection and body language. On the internet, we can't use those things, hence people resort to alternatives such as bold, italics, underlining, capslock, and emoticons. It's a perfectly viable method of communication.

Also, if you weren't trying to prove a point, why did you continue arguing? Looking over your posts, I see no such "obvious point" - only a nonsensical comment about scantalators being more legal than official publishers - and a response which was distinctly unhelpful.[/FONT]

Accusing people of "snotty behaviour" is not on. If you can't handle the heat of valid disagreement, then perhaps a forum (where, after all, the point is to discuss and conflicting viewpoints are encouraged) is not the appropriate place for you to be.

Personally, I see a question, with some slight grammatical issues, but otherwise sound. No rudeness at all. Whereas your tone has been consistently condescending, based on opinion, and reverting to ad hominems whenever you feel "threatened". The world doesn't revolve around you, nor any of us -- so, please, grow up.

Please stop abusing the font options, it makes for a messy reply. Excuse me, but when did I of all people tell anyone what to do? Bolding and caps are considered rude on the net, study up on your netiquette before throwing random comments at me. I'm perhaps the only person here who's listened to what everyone had to say and analyzed it to make sure I didn't misunderstand anything. But again, the point I was trying to make was merely to specify precisely which chapter of the manga you are referring to, and if necessary, which arc. That is all. I can apologize for contributing to the thread getting out of hand, but I am definitely not primarily responsible for that. I can also apologize for any remark that I made out of irritation and any names I might have called anyone, but I certainly don't see anyone else acknowledging their part of responsibility. Even though I apologize if anything I said sounded rude, I do not apologize for the points I made. They were perfectly valid, and I can see that there are those who kept trying to throw me off track of the point I was in actuality trying to make.

And no, my tone was not condescending except when replying to an insult. I'm not a mean person. I don't go around in a bad mood grumbling at random people. However, in a manner of speech, if you bite me, I will bite back. I know the difference between feeling threatened and being threatened, but some people act in a hostile manner without realizing it. I have never thought that the world revolved around me, but you clearly seem to think too highly of yourself for your own good. I am no better than anyone, and neither are you.

In conclusion, I think you're capable of acknowledging that my point about the chapters was valid without trying to make me feel like everything I said was wrong when it in fact was not. In other words, please stop contributing to the splitting of hairs that has been going on in this thread.

[Arynis]

*tries to equate this with Mako's NERDRAGE mode*

*does not compute*

*bursts out laughing*

Mako is nice and peaceful... as long as pointing out the impossibility of various and vague details aren't involved. Or if all fails, use crack on him. It always works. Especially if you use THAT. But I think he received enough of THAT lately, because Even Evil Has Standards.

...and the "edits" I'm grumbling about are, according to Ary, just different frames. Now I feel really smart.

Yeah, pretty much. If you look at the Duel Disks, Yugi's is in the middle of activating on the bottom picture, whereas all three are activated in the top picture. Also, the recording of the dub trailer was made in real life (resulting in some distortion), whereas the above picture came from a file. (I mean, both of them technically come from a image and video file, but... you get what I mean?)

[Gin]

Mako is nice and peaceful... as long as pointing out the impossibility of various and vague details aren't involved. Or if all fails, use crack on him. It always works. Especially if you use THAT. But I think he received enough of THAT lately, because Even Evil Has Standards.

...I would like to inform you that I went and hovered over THAT, just to make sure you weren't making a stealth strike. Fortunately everything appears to be safe.

Yeah, pretty much. If you look at the Duel Disks, Yugi's is in the middle of activating on the bottom picture, whereas all three are activated in the top picture. Also, the recording of the dub trailer was made in real life (resulting in some distortion), whereas the above picture came from a file. (I mean, both of them technically come from a image and video file, but... you get what I mean?)

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up, Ary!

[Kyte]

Wow, I can't believe I didn't notice that.

Oh that's right, I was too busy FANGASMING like a child on crack over the three of them being on screen I totally lost track of continuity. XD

Yeah same here XD First time in my life I've squeed

Yeah I'd expect fixes, time to time dub kinda fixes some errors but thats usually the Lifepoint meters they fix up from wrong calculations. Wonder if they'd fi that little Paradox on his floatation device (don't get ahead of me folks) CGI would be fixed in that one sequence. But thats cool, I don't believe I noticed that in the preview either, can't say I remember. I'm sure the movie will do well in international release, especially if its got a free card to give (so long as its not spoiled to be Sin REBD, then that'll have cinemas sold out quick but the Sin have been working pretty well with Skill Drain decks so wouldn't be as bad I suppose).

I'm sure the 3D glasses they'll give will be different than from the preview's they were like goggles that latches on your head! Plus apparently you could see the lights blink..Which I was moderately entertained with, btw Anyhow it doesn't confirm that we'll get the cool kind of 3D glasses or the cheap red-and-blue. But I'm sure cinemas have like alot of 3D specks in the building

[Arynis]

...I would like to inform you that I went and hovered over THAT, just to make sure you weren't making a stealth strike. Fortunately everything appears to be safe.

As I said, Even Evil Has Standards. That post was completely safe for once. XD

Yeah same here XD First time in my life I've squeed

Yeah I'd expect fixes, time to time dub kinda fixes some errors but thats usually the Lifepoint meters they fix up from wrong calculations. Wonder if they'd fi that little Paradox on his floatation device (don't get ahead of me folks) CGI would be fixed in that one sequence. But thats cool, I don't believe I noticed that in the preview either, can't say I remember. I'm sure the movie will do well in international release, especially if its got a free card to give (so long as its not spoiled to be Sin REBD, then that'll have cinemas sold out quick but the Sin have been working pretty well with Skill Drain decks so wouldn't be as bad I suppose).

They could do it like they did with Pyramid of Light. After all, there are still Sin Monsters which haven't been released. ...Or Sin World, for that matter. And/or make a movie pack like they did back then as well, which contained Anubis' Sphinxes and Kaiba's cards.

I'm sure the 3D glasses they'll give will be different than from the preview's they were like goggles that latches on your head! Plus apparently you could see the lights blink..Which I was moderately entertained with, btw :D Anyhow it doesn't confirm that we'll get the cool kind of 3D glasses or the cheap red-and-blue. But I'm sure cinemas have like alot of 3D specks in the building

Well, going by how the hosts of AxA viewed clips of the movie, the 3D glasses won't be too different from the ones you guys had. I doubt you'd get the red-blue ones.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

The movie was advertised as to be released in Japanese theaters, so seeing South Korea on the list was a surprise to me.

South orea is part of the OCG, so exactly why was it surpirising. That, and I know a South Korean who in fact learned Japanese, and he told me that many South Koreans do so.

I know NAS was wanting more viewers, though. I recall this news(?) report from NAS back in March(?) that about 250000 people went to see the movie, and they expected the number of viewers to hit 300000. No idea if they managed to reach that number or not.

Maybe they did with the South Korean audience. Who knows; maybe Manga Edo say the movie... *shot*

From 2CH: (Post 937)

http://niyaniya.info/pic/img/9701.jpg

This has been kind of a known fact, but this shot confirms that the "Dark Yugi wears Duel Disk and jacket" scene has been fixed for the future, English release.

Okay... didnt really care much about that, but fine. Fair enough.

@Mako: Yugi's arm bear a sleeve instead of he shoudn't in original version. I noticed it the frst time I saw the preview.

Allana, just for future reference, watch your bear vs bare. The latter means not covered; the first is the animal. So, apparently he has the arm of a bear. Cool....

There were other errors too. Like clipping issues with Paradox's skirtcoat and his D-Wheel when it's transforming. Or Dark Yugi lacking a mouth for the duration of one frame. Hopefully those have been fixed as well, especially with the time it takes the movie to be released.

If they bothered to fix that error, I am sure they will fix others.

Please stop abusing the font options, it makes for a messy reply.

Maam, I have been trying to ignore you; but you have been pushing everyone elses buttons. Please, for the love of God, stay on topic.

[PharaohAtem]

Maam, I have been trying to ignore you; but you have been pushing everyone elses buttons. Please, for the love of God, stay on topic.

On the contrary, it is the others who have been trying to push mine. In any case, next time you wish to reply to a comment of mine, don't give me crap for a good one. It is annoying for anyone to have to edit a post full of HTML codes for bold, italic, colors and whatever other colorful decorations one wants to add to their text, nevermind to read it.

[Starry]

On the contrary, it is the others who have been trying to push mine. In any case, next time you wish to reply to a comment of mine, don't give me crap for a good one. It is annoying for anyone to have to edit a post full of HTML codes for bold, italic, colors and whatever other colorful decorations one wants to add to their text, nevermind to read it.

Anyway I hope we get the good kind of 3D glasses. It doesn't like the 3D effects would go over well with the cheap kind of 3D glasses.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

On the contrary, it is the others who have been trying to push mine. In any case, next time you wish to reply to a comment of mine, don't give me crap for a good one. It is annoying for anyone to have to edit a post full of HTML codes for bold, italic, colors and whatever other colorful decorations one wants to add to their text, nevermind to read it.

I quoted the one that had nothing to do with anything, which was part of my point. Now please, drop this and talk about the topic at hand.

Anyway I hope we get the good kind of 3D glasses. It doesn't like the 3D effects would go over well with the cheap kind of 3D glasses.

You mean like the old ones with red and green lenses were? That's why I kept my glasses from Avatar' now I have good ones for the movie. And yeah, that would suck; after all, clearly this movie was intended to be stellar, right Starry? *shot*

[PharaohAtem]

Do you know how revealing this is? It's usually when people have nothing to say that they resort to this.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Do you know how revealing this is? It's usually when people have nothing to say that they resort to this.

Is that so? In my experience, it's what people say WHEN THEY NO LONGER CARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY... LIKE WHEN YOU WON'T DROP IT.

I have one question to ask you, Me-lady Pharaoh: will you go to see the dub of the movie or not?

[HybridDragoness]

I wonder which audiences the movie will be targeted at. I'm not sure who was the target audience for the movie in Japan. Because it's 4Kids, I would think the obvious choice would be to target it at those who watch the show on television, i.e. children, in the US. However, considering it's probably going to be released in theaters, it may be targeted/marketed differently.

What do you think?

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I wonder which audiences the movie will be targeted at. I'm not sure who was the target audience for the movie in Japan. Because it's 4Kids, I would think the obvious choice would be to target it at those who watch the show on television, i.e. children, in the US. However, considering it's probably going to be released in theaters, it may be targeted/marketed differently.

What do you think?

Personally, I believe it will be children/young-teen centric; but considering the last movie was a bit better than the show for content maturity, that may not be bad.

[63cohen]

Do they still do that Red and Cyan glasses for 3D? In America, they use those Real 3D glasses, which are included in the price of the movie (my reason for keeping them). They cost around 3 USD.

Cool Story Bro means you are being ignored. It is the ultimate trump against trolls. Or idiots.

As for the audience, I would say older kids as opposed to the regular 6-11 demo 4kids uses. I say this because the only preview we have for it was shown at cons/tournaments. Where older people go. I also suppose it is being released in 2011 as that is the 10th anniversary of the dub (right?) and kids can sorta connect with that (like they have for TMNT)

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Do they still do that Red and Cyan glasses for 3D? In America, they use those Real 3D glasses, which are included in the price of the movie (my reason for keeping them). They cost around 3 USD.

Most places in Canada do too, but some of the cheaper/small-town cinemas still used recycled old glasses.

Cool Story Bro means you are being ignored. It is the ultimate trump against trolls. Or idiots.

As I see used in real life at my high school.

As for the audience, I would say older kids as opposed to the regular 6-11 demo 4kids uses. I say this because the only preview we have for it was shown at cons/tournaments. Where older people go. I also suppose it is being released in 2011 as that is the 10th anniversary of the dub (right?) and kids can sorta connect with that (like they have for TMNT)

That's very true. Good point.

[Ryusaki]

I wonder which audiences the movie will be targeted at. I'm not sure who was the target audience for the movie in Japan. Because it's 4Kids, I would think the obvious choice would be to target it at those who watch the show on television, i.e. children, in the US. However, considering it's probably going to be released in theaters, it may be targeted/marketed differently.

What do you think?

Well, an important part of this movie's appeal is nostalgia for DM, and so there's probably a great intention of gathering the people who originally watched DM when the dub aired. In that respect there's most likely an older section of the audience they're taking into account. The problem with that is they would probably be aiming at nostalgic fans of the dub, and so I wouldn't be surprised to see jokey dub references peppered in. Heart of the cards and crap like that.

[HybridDragoness]

It would be interesting comparing/contrasting how the movie was marketed in Japan and how it will be in the States/other parts of the world. Actually, I didn't think of DM or GX audiences like Ryusaki did. But considering it's 4Kids... they may or may not be ignorant of their older audiences. The Pyramid of Light wasn't too shabby, but I don't remember who it was marketed to - I was pretty young back then. The 10th Anniversary movie, obviously, won't be as 'kiddy' as some of the dubs.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

It would be interesting comparing/contrasting how the movie was marketed in Japan and how it will be in the States/other parts of the world. Actually, I didn't think of DM or GX audiences like Ryusaki did. But considering it's 4Kids... they may or may not be ignorant of their older audiences. The Pyramid of Light wasn't too shabby, but I don't remember who it was marketed to - I was pretty young back then. The 10th Anniversary movie, obviously, won't be as 'kiddy' as some of the dubs.

Comsidering one scene is an entire city being smashed and killing people... yeah, I'm kinda inclined to agree. There is no possible edit that would explain that. Don't even try; you CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT, send people to the Shadow Realm by dropping buildings on them.

[Arynis]

Especially because Pegasus' expression makes it obvious it's just more than simple hurka durka magic. Getting tons of rubble fall into your face isn't the most pleasant way to die. And you can't even do anything about it, save for an entity cosplaying as Giygas appearing in the last moment to save you, providing you were equipped with Plot Armor.

I think Paradox in general brings a somewhat darker theme. He's shown to stand alone in a ruined future, and who knows what other things (the Japanese wiki says there were "image clips" shown here). It's not as obvious as the building crashing, but the thought of fighting against a Bad Future with the chances of ambiguous success is kind of depressing... looking at the themes of Screw Destiny and You Can't Fight Fate going on in the show. Some characters overcome fate, but in others' case it's shown to be not the case. Sure, the movie may have ended on a higher note, but what about that ruined future? (Not taking into consideration all the theories regarding Paradox causing the bad future himself, assuming that not everyone may think of it right away. Though, I wonder if that would make it even worse... as far as Paradox himself is concerned.)

Then there's Paradox sacrificing his body to Sin Truth Dragon and looking all lifeless until the view gets back to his veiny, angry face. Seeing Paradox in pain as he summons Sin Truth makes me cringe, sort of.

Then again, Animation Book interviews. The director stated he wanted to go for a darker theme.

[PharaohAtem]

Is that so? In my experience, it's what people say WHEN THEY NO LONGER CARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY... LIKE WHEN YOU WON'T DROP IT.

I have one question to ask you, Me-lady Pharaoh: will you go to see the dub of the movie or not?

Don't think you have any experience in dropping it, as evidenced by this thread. As for the movie, nah. I'm not interested in any series but the first one. The card game itself does not interest me that much, just very basically. But the way DM's plot was driven was what was excellent.

Cool Story Bro means you are being ignored. It is the ultimate trump against trolls. Or idiots.

I know what the intention of the comment was, but what came across was different. For instance, someone who is truly ignoring someone else does not make a reply to them. Most people lie about ignoring others, I've born witness to it.

[Gabi_Firestorm]

Sorry for randomly crashing in, but I keep getting linked to this thread (it's quite entertaining by the way, even if I wouldn't exactly call it a proper debate in any sense of the word).

First my two cents about the film -- unless they come out with a fully 2D version, over half of it will be unwatchable for me, since one of my eyes is blind (hence why I've alternated between apathy and supreme irritation towards this whole 3D craze that's apparently swept over everyone in the entertainment business lately. Near-useless eye-candy, if you ask me). Despite my annoyance, though, I'm actually looking forward to watching it, even if only for the character interaction bits and seeing Yuugi and Judai on the same screen (I will squee so hard that the people on the other side of the Atlantic will hear quite clearly).

I'm not touching the dub with a ten-foot pole, though. Maybe after I go through the subbed version -- I've found out that the only way I can actually enjoy the YGO dubs is by treating them as vaguely canon crack to be watched most for laughs after I've gone through the original versions and have a solid image in my head about the way things are supposed to be.

Secondly, I will take this time to properly chastise the Japanese for their dismal cam-rip skills, 3D sections or no. If a film like this had ever aired on our screens or on those of our nice Russian neighbors, you'd have found rips on the Internet in a matter of hours. I'm not certain if this is proof of a certain moral firmness on the part of the Japanese in general of if they just have airport-style security in cinemas. Maybe both.

[Makoeyes987]

We're sorry, we can't hear you over your inability to move the hell on and cease giving this thread hepatitis with your off-topic nonsense.

Protip: No one cares about what you post now. Period. So you might as well post on topic of the 10th Anniversary movie or sod off. Unless you enjoy being the ridicule of all.

Checking this thread and seeing you just talking bollocks is getting irritating. For everyone. Christ.

I'm not touching the dub with a ten-foot pole, though. Maybe after I go through the subbed version -- I've found out that the only way I can actually enjoy the YGO dubs is by treating them as vaguely canon crack to be watched most for laughs after I've gone through the original versions and have a solid image in my head about the way things are supposed to be.

Secondly, I will take this time to properly chastise the Japanese for their dismal cam-rip skills, 3D sections or no. If a film like this had ever aired on our screens or on those of our nice Russian neighbors, you'd have found rips on the Internet in a matter of hours. I'm not certain if this is proof of a certain moral firmness on the part of the Japanese in general of if they just have airport-style security in cinemas. Maybe both.

Unfortunately the dub is going to be the only version available seeing as how it's going to be almost 5 months before it comes out in theatres, and it won't be until it's done its theatre one that a world wide DVD release will be done. So yeah. If you're gonna wait for that, you may be waiting awhile.

Japan has one of the hardest pirating laws in the world. The punishment for getting caught recording a movie in a theatre is serious hard jail time. They don't play around when it comes to piracy. They loathe it and its considered very anti-social. No one risks it given how anal they are.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

As for the movie, nah. I'm not interested in any series but the first one. The card game itself does not interest me that much, just very basically. But the way DM's plot was driven was what was excellent.

Then you really have no business posting in this thread to begin with, so as Mako said...

You might as well post on topic of the 10th Anniversary movie or sod off. Unless you enjoy being the ridicule of all.

Hepatitis was a nice touch BTW, Mako.

Unfortunately the dub is going to be the only version available seeing as how it's going to be almost 5 months before it comes out in theatres, and it won't be until it's done its theatre one that a world wide DVD release will be done. So yeah. If you're gonna wait for that, you may be waiting awhile.

Hopefully, it'll be worth the wait. Sorry about your lack of depth perception BTW, Gabi.

Japan has one of the hardest pirating laws in the world. The punishment for getting caught recording a movie in a theatre is serious hard jail time. They don't play around when it comes to piracy. They loathe it and its considered very anti-social. No one risks it given how anal they are.

There was a girl who recorded about 3 minutes of New Moon as part of a home movie about her sister's birthday in the US. She got sent to jail. Piracy laws are bad everywhere. Read any DVD warning: "5 Years in prison and $120,000 fine (really specific number eh?)" with INTERPOL. But yes, the Japanese do take it serious on a personal level.

[Gabi_Firestorm]

Unfortunately the dub is going to be the only version available seeing as how it's going to be almost 5 months before it comes out in theatres, and it won't be until it's done its theatre one that a world wide DVD release will be done. So yeah. If you're gonna wait for that, you may be waiting awhile

I'll wait patiently for the DVD -- especially since I'm absolutely certain that the film won't make it to Eastern European cinemas anyway; we're not a very extensive market even without this current economic crunch. I'd have to rely on something recorded from a US screen (and I don't like the dub enough to go through the effort of searching in the first place).

Japan has one of the hardest pirating laws in the world. The punishment for getting caught recording a movie in a theatre is serious hard jail time. They don't play around when it comes to piracy. They loathe it and its considered very anti-social. No one risks it given how anal they are.

Hm, that explains a great deal -- especially if it's also a significant social stigma, given that even with harsh punishments you'd expect at least one or two people out of 200.000 or so to take the risk anyway.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I'll wait patiently for the DVD -- especially since I'm absolutely certain that the film won't make it to Eastern European cinemas anyway; we're not a very extensive market even without this current economic crunch. I'd have to rely on something recorded from a US screen (and I don't like the dub enough to go through the effort of searching in the first place).

It would probably end up on the download forum here anyway, so not a big deal about hunting.

Hm, that explains a great deal -- especially if it's also a significant social stigma, given that even with harsh punishments you'd expect at least one or two people out of 200.000 or so to take the risk anyway.

In a country as Dogmatic as Japan, not likely (though anywhere else I'd agree with you).

[63cohen]

I wouldn't give up on the dub just yet. Movies and 4kids are different than shows and 4kids. Looking at the last movie 4kids made (Turtles Forever) it seemed pretty dark/edgy while appealing to kids. With dubbing, it is even easier, since all they have to do is translate the script and dub the voices. No need to change the cards. No need to change anything else. Its a movie, and is not subject to the CW asking for edits or the FCC.

@DarkDust

Gabi doesn't have access there yet.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I wouldn't give up on the dub just yet. Movies and 4kids are different than shows and 4kids. Looking at the last movie 4kids made (Turtles Forever) it seemed pretty dark/edgy while appealing to kids. With dubbing, it is even easier, since all they have to do is translate the script and dub the voices. No need to change the cards. No need to change anything else. Its a movie, and is not subject to the CW asking for edits or the FCC.

Very true. Look at Pyramid of Light; content was not watered-down.

@DarkDust

Gabi doesn't have access there yet.

Oh. Right. Well... who knows? Maybe he will by the time it gets here.