Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I don't know why you guys really care about the Malefic monsters, compared to most decks they fail horribly. I guess as souvenirs.

That's just it; when they get more support, assuming they do, then they'll fail less and maybe even be a viable decktype. And Decktype that uses Dragons, involves classics, and has power, is good in my book; if it's a competitive theme, even better.

[63cohen]

Their instant summon ability would be awesome if you didn't need a field spell in play.

[Starry]

Their instant summon ability would be awesome if you didn't need a field spell in play.

Hey, the Earthbounds work the same way too. And I find EGs to be decent. Unless its Wira, but Wira got nerfed hardcore.

@DarkDust: +1. If there was a card specific to negate their effect of not letting anything else declare an attack (or deck searchers) that would be awesome.

[Arynis]

Build you Decks with no monsters or with a few helpful non-attackers (Morphing Jar, Night Assailant etc), and many Traps like Royal Decree or Trap Stun. Insta win.

Oh yes!

Keep in mind how lonf after the others Sin Truth was released. There could still be more.

That is true.

Yes. This MUST occur.

Seconded. It would make the movie a true 10th anniversary, with everyone from every series appearing! =D

I kind of wish they had done something similar to the beginning of the 10th Pokemon movie. A montage of the series' main events would have rocked.

I don't know why you guys really care about the Malefic monsters, compared to most decks they fail horribly. I guess as souvenirs.

Hey, I used to run a Toon deck back when I played as a "casual" deck, which normally no one or their dog would run. XD Granted, Toon decks have Toon Table Contents, which is an excellent searcher. But apart from that, no attack on the first turn (except Toon DMG) and Toon World is destroyed way too easily... Although you can still protect your Toons from getting destroyed by such means. (i.e. Emergency Provisions, Forbidden Chalice, Magic Reflector, Card Guard, etc.)

And as Starry said, decks can be made to work with enough effort, no matter how ridiculous or impossible they may seem. I mean, that's what Team Taiyou taught us, right? If they managed to summon Thud, we can do anything as well!

@DarkDust: +1. If there was a card specific to negate their effect of not letting anything else declare an attack (or deck searchers) that would be awesome.

From what we know about Sin World, it might be either a searcher (add 1 Sin Monster to your hand at random instead of the Draw Phase) or negates the drawbacks of the Sin Monsters. Or both.

Sin Tune lets you draw 2 cards if a Sin Monster is destroyed, though.

[Starry]

From what we know about Sin World, it might be either a searcher (add 1 Sin Monster to your hand at random instead of the Draw Phase) or negates the drawbacks of the Sin Monsters. Or both.

Sin Tune lets you draw 2 cards if a Sin Monster is destroyed, though.

Ah right, still they need to hurry up and make those into real cards XD

[Makoeyes987]

Unfortunately I doubt we'll be seeing most of the Sin support due to the simple fact it's too damn good.

Sin Cross. A quick play spell that serves as instant revival which only requires you to remove from play a monster from the grave.

Sin World basically lets you search your deck, barf your hand and put a huge number of monsters on the field and attack for game instantly.

If they made the deck as it was in the movie, it'd get pretty derpy.

It won't exist, or it'll be so nerfed that it'll hardly be worth even playing. The effects will be so watered down that it'll serve almost no purpose. E-Hero Neos Knight is an example. Can't deal any battle damage. Kind of a waste.

Sin Cyber End Dragon will almost certainly not be made real. Or at the very least not in its movie form. A free 4000 point attacker with piercing is just nonsense.

[HybridDragoness]

Either not be made real or simply nerfed. I can see them nerfed.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Hey, the Earthbounds work the same way too. And I find EGs to be decent. Unless its Wira, but Wira got nerfed hardcore.

Exactly. Besides, short of Sin World, Future Visions creates a min-lock by allowing you to easily summon beatsticks while your opponent cannot Normal Summon. Blackwings, X-Sabers and Infernity need to Normal Summon to start them working.

@DarkDust: +1. If there was a card specific to negate their effect of not letting anything else declare an attack (or deck searchers) that would be awesome.

Sin Selector. Remove 2 from Grave to add 2 to hand. A +1.

From what we know about Sin World, it might be either a searcher (add 1 Sin Monster to your hand at random instead of the Draw Phase) or negates the drawbacks of the Sin Monsters. Or both.

Sin Tune lets you draw 2 cards if a Sin Monster is destroyed, though.

Sin Force, which gives one Sin Spell Immunity.

Unfortunately I doubt we'll be seeing most of the Sin support due to the simple fact it's too damn good.

Granted. I just hope they make at least some...

Sin Cross. A quick play spell that serves as instant revival which only requires you to remove from play a monster from the grave.

Not quite. It removes the Summoned monster from play at the End Phase. But still, yeah...

Sin World basically lets you search your deck, barf your hand and put a huge number of monsters on the field and attack for game instantly.

I Summon *blutsh....*

It won't exist, or it'll be so nerfed that it'll hardly be worth even playing. The effects will be so watered down that it'll serve almost no purpose. E-Hero Neos Knight is an example. Can't deal any battle damage. Kind of a waste.

Sad part is, he didn't need it. This card must be Fusion Summoned" is restriction enough; and really, with |0| or The Unholy Trinity running around, how can you say that 2 attacks was too powerful?

Sin Cyber End Dragon will almost certainly not be made real. Or at the very least not in its movie form. A free 4000 point attacker with piercing is just nonsense.

Remove the piercing effect? Then it's just a beater.

[63cohen]

Unfortunately I doubt we'll be seeing most of the Sin support due to the simple fact it's too damn good.

Sin Cross. A quick play spell that serves as instant revival which only requires you to remove from play a monster from the grave.

Sin World basically lets you search your deck, barf your hand and put a huge number of monsters on the field and attack for game instantly.

If they made the deck as it was in the movie, it'd get pretty derpy.

It won't exist, or it'll be so nerfed that it'll hardly be worth even playing. The effects will be so watered down that it'll serve almost no purpose. E-Hero Neos Knight is an example. Can't deal any battle damage. Kind of a waste.

Sin Cyber End Dragon will almost certainly not be made real. Or at the very least not in its movie form. A free 4000 point attacker with piercing is just nonsense.

Exactly this.

[Starry]

Sin Cross. A quick play spell that serves as instant revival which only requires you to remove from play a monster from the grave

Eh, the Sin monster is gone by the end of the turn. It can be limited to one.
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Sin World basically lets you search your deck, barf your hand and put a huge number of monsters on the field and attack for game instantly.

Turn it into a Black Whirlwind version for Sin Monsters? Just change normal summon to special summon.

Sin Cyber End Dragon will almost certainly not be made real. Or at the very least not in its movie form. A free 4000 point attacker with piercing is just nonsense.

No piercing damage, is destroyed at end of the turn/you have to pay half your LP to summon him/his original attack is at 0 and you can pay in multiples of 1000 LP(max 2 or 3) to increase its attack by 1000.

Alternatively you have to have Cyber End Dragon or three cyber dragons in your graveyard, then you can remove them from play and special summon him with no piercing damage effect.

[63cohen]

Well, what you are suggesting kinda makes it not Cyber Dragon esque.

[HybridDragoness]

True, but it can happen; just look at Wiraqocha Rasca. There can be severe nerfing in place.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Eh, the Sin monster is gone by the end of the turn. It can be limited to one.

Even so, that can be enough to attack for game.

No piercing damage, is destroyed at end of the turn/you have to pay half your LP to summon him/his original attack is at 0 and you can pay in multiples of 1000 LP(max 2 or 3) to increase its attack by 1000.

Alternatively you have to have Cyber End Dragon or three cyber dragons in your graveyard, then you can remove them from play and special summon him with no piercing damage effect.

That's not even worth running, and also...

Well, what you are suggesting kinda makes it not Cyber Dragon esque.

...So, yeah.

True, but it can happen; just look at Wiraqocha Rasca. There can be severe nerfing in place.

Except that Sea Foam Hell Condor arguably had a more broken effect than Sin CED; and being a Sin, it already has 3 Limitation effects that would be added by default.

[Kyte]

Well, can imagine Sin Cyber End Dragon being released but minus the piercing effect, of course. It may not get abused as many would think since no one is running Fusion cards as much now, though Cyber Dragon was taken off the list now sooo it could be deadly as a heavy hitter, anyway, in either a Skill Drain deck or a Cyber Dragon deck in general.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Well, can imagine Sin Cyber End Dragon being released but minus the piercing effect, of course. It may not get abused as many would think since no one is running Fusion cards as much now, though Cyber Dragon was taken off the list now sooo it could be deadly as a heavy hitter, anyway, in either a Skill Drain deck or a Cyber Dragon deck in general.

You don't have to even run Cyber Dragon stuff. If you can devote 1 or 2 Extra Deck spaces to Cyber End, and you main a Field Spell, you can run this.

[ChthonianChris]

Sin Cyber End Dragon doesn't need to be made real. Even if you take away the piercing, then you still have an easy to summon beat stick with 4000 attack that's compatible with Limiter Removal, and imo, we just don't need that.

[yugiohgxbedst]

i think the only thing sin monsters are good for is just beat sticks with high attack lol

[cashman_11]

I feel like the only deck that would run Sin Cyber End if it was released would be a Machine Deck, especially a Cyber Dragon deck, and how many of those are around now? I don't think a Sin CED would be a problem without the Pierce effect, I just don't see the point if Sin Rainbow Dragon gets released too. (Except that Sin CED would be better in that you don't have CED in your deck.)

[DarkDust_Dragon]

i think the only thing sin monsters are good for is just beat sticks with high attack lol

What else do they need to be used for really?

I feel like the only deck that would run Sin Cyber End if it was released would be a Machine Deck, especially a Cyber Dragon deck, and how many of those are around now?

Considering Cyber Dragon is back at 3, and so is CyDra Zwei, it'd be fairly easy really.

I don't think a Sin CED would be a problem without the Pierce effect, I just don't see the point if Sin Rainbow Dragon gets released too. (Except that Sin CED would be better in that you don't have CED in your deck.)

Why not run both? Then there's no need for Sin Blue-Eyes.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

You know, the more I've been thinking about it, the more I notice an interesting Paradox within the movie itself. It was mentioned earlier that every protagonist's turn reflects the theme of their series: 5D's with discarding and rapid Synchros, GX with Fusions and massive beatsticks, and DM with ornate combos and Normal/Effect Monsters. While this is true, the rushed pace of this movie creates huge inconsistencies as well.

First off, Yusei almost completely uses up his whole hand to Synchro Summon 1 defensive monster. Usually, his tendency is to play off an existing situation, without losing so much card advantage; and it's usually for a counterattack. Juda's move is also rather strange because he goes straight for a Fusion Summon with Neos, then he too uses up his whole hand by setting it.

And then there's Yugi; oh God, Yugi. His entire move was only made possible by Yusei's first turn; then, while his barfing of his hand at the opponent fits with his usual moves, it seems far too convenient for a player who also usually uses the situation to his advantage. His having such an unbelievably specific hand makes his move seem far less dramatic, and much cheaper, than his usual nostalgic moves.

But hey, maybe this is just me. I've been wrong before, after all.

[Allana]

You know, the more I've been thinking about it, the more I notice an interesting Paradox within the movie itself. It was mentioned earlier that every protagonist's turn reflects the theme of their series: 5D's with discarding and rapid Synchros, GX with Fusions and massive beatsticks, and DM with ornate combos and Normal/Effect Monsters. While this is true, the rushed pace of this movie creates huge inconsistencies as well.

First off, Yusei almost completely uses up his whole hand to Synchro Summon 1 defensive monster. Usually, his tendency is to play off an existing situation, without losing so much card advantage; and it's usually for a counterattack. Juda's move is also rather strange because he goes straight for a Fusion Summon with Neos, then he too uses up his whole hand by setting it.

And then there's Yugi; oh God, Yugi. His entire move was only made possible by Yusei's first turn; then, while his barfing of his hand at the opponent fits with his usual moves, it seems far too convenient for a player who also usually uses the situation to his advantage. His having such an unbelievably specific hand makes his move seem far less dramatic, and much cheaper, than his usual nostalgic moves.

But hey, maybe this is just me. I've been wrong before, after all.

The problem here is the duel end quickly for a timing questions, the movie being 49 minutes long only. Theirs moves are determined consequently, with players who has a hand which can be played quickly. The duel end in only 8 turns, It's not much. So they created cards in consequences of this timing.

Yusei plays all his hand to play Junk Gardna. If he hadn't got good points defense and special ability, Team Protagonists would have loose. Scripters decided Team Protagonists must win so all is foresee for this. Which the hand played quickly.

Scripters gave to Judai Traps cards and two Quicks Spells card in his hand: he is obliged to set them, explaining why he has zero cards in his hand. Scripters gives sevrals cards who protect Life Points like Hero Barrier and Flute of Summoning Kuriboh to save Team Protagonists of Paradox's very powerful monters in terms of Battle Damage.

Yugi has a lot of news cards focused on Dark Magician, his moves isn't usual that's true. If Yusei's and Judai's cards stays usual for several of them, It isn't the case for Yugi. It's for a question of commercial and merchandising, I guess. Perhaps Konami will release them for the players who plays Dark Magician deck. I don't know If this deck is a lot played... Besides this, it is interesting to note Yugi, the protagonist of the past the one who has the most of news cards.

If you think in terms of duel (not movie, not scripters, not timing etc, etc...) Yusei who plays all his hand isn't necessarily an inconsistance. All depends what is your opponent's style of deck. With the same hand againsts two differents duelists, you can play differently. In one of them, you will play all your hand and in another, you will play a part of your hand and keep cards in your hand. It's because you judge how your opponent can possibly play, explaining why you keep cards in your hand or not. Here, Yusei had played all his hand because he can have guess Sin Cyber End Dragon had piercing damage effect.
For example, If Paradox had got a different deck, (implying a different style and differents kind of monsters) perhaps Yusei would have played differently.

In a duel, you can't know in advance what kind of cards your opponent plays except If you has already dueled this opponent. In this last case, you can predict more easily what the opponent can possibly play. Consequently, you way to play will change. For example, in the duel Yugi vs Kaiba in Alcatraz, Yugi is able to predict almost perfectly what cards Kaiba will choose because he knows him, he has already dueled him severals times before. He has had right except for the Fusion which was already set on Kaiba's field.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

The problem here is the duel end quickly for a timing questions, the movie being 49 minutes long only. Theirs moves are determined consequently, with players who has a hand which can be played quickly. The duel end in only 8 turns, It's not much. So they created cards in consequences of this timing.

You caught onto my point exactly Allana; that the rushed feel is created by the very short length of the film. Maybe not for other people, but for me that rush certainly dampens the feel of the event.

Yusei plays all his hand to play Junk Gardna. If he hadn't got good points defense and special ability, Team Protagonists would have lose. Scriptwriters decided Team Protagonists must win so all is foresee for this. Which the hand played quickly.

I know what you mean and it's true; Yusei had to establish a good defence or everybody loses. What I'm saying is that it's not like him to use up his hand on the first turn... Which makes me wonder for curiosity's sake what the last card he drew was.

Scripters gave to Judai Traps cards and two Quicks Spells card in his hand: he is obliged to set them, explaining why he has zero cards in his hand. Scripters gives several cards who protect Life Points like Hero Barrier and Flute of Summoning Kuriboh to save Team Protagonists of Paradox's very powerful monters in terms of Battle Damage.

Only one Quick-Play; De-Fusion is Yugi's. Otherwise, there's a completely wallbanging instance of him using Hero Barrier, when we know for a face he has Negate Attack, Mirror Gate, and possibly Mirror Force (he did use it against Titan in Episode 6, if you recall). Elemental Mirage was a nice touch, though.

Yugi has a lot of news cards focused on Dark Magician, his moves isn't usual that's true. If Yusei's and Judai's cards stays usual for several of them, It isn't the case for Yugi. It's for a question of commercial and merchandising, I guess. Perhaps Konami will release them for the players who plays Dark Magician deck. I don't know If this deck is a lot played... Besides this, it is interesting to note Yugi, the protagonist of the past the one who has the most of news cards.

Dark Magician Decks are mostly Fundecks, so I see less of them played than I'd like. Basically, Yugi's Deck had to be completely changed to account for the fact that his completely abstract cards would not work in a modern game; sadly, it's that abstract theme that makes his plays enjoyable.

If you think in terms of duel (not movie, not scripters, not timing etc, etc...) Yusei who plays all his hand isn't necessarily an inconsistance. All depends what is your opponent's style of deck. With the same hand againsts two differents duelists, you can play differently. In one of them, you will play all your hand and in another, you will play a part of your hand and keep cards in your hand. It's because you judge how your opponent can possibly play, explaining why you keep cards in your hand or not. Here, Yusei had played all his hand because he can have guess Sin Cyber End Dragon had piercing damage effect.
For example, If Paradox had got a different deck, (implying a different style and differents kind of monsters) perhaps Yusei would have played differently.

That's very true.

In a duel, you can't know in advance what kind of cards your opponent plays except If you has already dueled this opponent. In this last case, you can predict more easily what the opponent can possibly play. Consequently, you way to play will change. For example, in the duel Yugi vs Kaiba in Alcatraz, Yugi is able to predict almost perfectly what cards Kaiba will choose because he knows him, he has already dueled him several times before. He has had right except for the Fusion which was already set on Kaiba's field.

Yes, that's just as true. However, I will still always hate the fact that this duel got so rushed.

[Arynis]

Apart from the Executive Meddling for the movie length, I could see one justified, in-universe reason for the duel being rushed as it is.

That is, Paradox had to be stopped as fast as possible.

The three protagonists were taken back 30 minutes in time in order to prevent Paradox from destroying Domino City and killing everyone. And time passed just with them getting accustomed with each other after all of them were brought in one place, there was no time to lose. They needed to get rid of Paradox one way or another, before Pegasus would arrive on the scene and get his ass royally kicked by an Axe Crazy Time Traveler again and setting a possible Grandfather Paradox into motion once more.

Though, I wonder how it would have gone if Pegasus arrived at the duel while it was still ongoing. Paradox would have probably just smeared him up the building walls using his dragons.

Or, the duel is interrupted and thus begins a Pegasus and protagonists vs Paradox frenzy. Except Paradox would just drop the buildings on all of them this time around. Too easy.

Or, the Crimson Dragon takes the protagonists and Pegasus away. Chase across time ensues. A few things get wrecked on the way in the timeline. Ultimately Temporal Paradoxes ensue and things go bad.

Or, have Pegasus wait on the sidelines as Paradox is trying to finish the duel. Except Paradox wouldn't let that happen so smoothly. See above options.

Yeah, I dunno.

[Allana]

You caught onto my point exactly Allana; that the rushed feel is created by the very short length of the film. Maybe not for other people, but for me that rush certainly dampens the feel of the event.

I never seen a movie running 49 minutes but when I learnt there only 8 turns, I was a little surprising, It isn't much. I expected more time of duel between Paradox and Team Protagonists. I guess they're only 8 turns because the time but also the 3D: it must be expansive. But severals points of the movie surprised me. I also expected Team Protagonists saves Paradox. Learn they killed him was also very surprising.

I know what you mean and it's true; Yusei had to establish a good defence or everybody loses. What I'm saying is that it's not like him to use up his hand on the first turn... Which makes me wonder for curiosity's sake what the last card he drew was.

That's true. Usually, Yusei keep always some cards in his hand but this time not because timing questions. When you mentions the last card, you think to this picture Arynis had posted, the one Yusei draw after activate Stardust Mirage?

Only one Quick-Play; De-Fusion is Yugi's. Otherwise, there's a completely wallbanging instance of him using Hero Barrier, when we know for a face he has Negate Attack, Mirror Gate, and possibly Mirror Force (he did use it against Titan in Episode 6, if you recall). Elemental Mirage was a nice touch, though.

Ah, yes, that's true, I forgot De-Fusion was Yugi's card. Judai owns a copy of Mirror Force in his deck just in episode 6? That's weird. I guess It was only because scripters had need of a useful attack to do win the character. To create a Mirror Force version E-HERO would have been more interesting, at least Judai would have could use it again later in the serie.

Besides this, If he had set it instead of Hero Barrier, he would have destroyed Sin Paradox Dragon and Paradox coudn't activate Sin Paradigm Shift because he set it only at the end of his turn. But If Judai had activate Mirror Force, we never could see the gigantic and powerful Sin Truth Dragon with 3D animation summoning, special theme for him and his 5000 attack points^^

Dark Magician Decks are mostly Fundecks, so I see less of them played than I'd like. Basically, Yugi's Deck had to be completely changed to account for the fact that his completely abstract cards would not work in a modern game; sadly, it's that abstract theme that makes his plays enjoyable.

So Dark Magician deck isn't really played. This is sad. I saw somes players who play with Dark Magician/ Yugi's deck. They keep a lot his key card these players was generally among the fist winners.

Yugi has a lot of news cards and they are very differents from his usuals cards. However, that's true they are very easy to play. Most particularly Magic Gate. It is Brain Control without Life cost and it is very easy to use: you has only need to control 2 Spellcasters or more to use it.

Yes, that's just as true. However, I will still always hate the fact that this duel got so rushed.

The 3D, like the time, is also a reason which explain why they did only 8 turns.
I never seen a 3D movie. It must be amazing. Wait (difficultly) and see! ^^

EDIT:

Apart from the Executive Meddling for the movie length, I could see one justified, in-universe reason for the duel being rushed as it is.

That is, Paradox had to be stopped as fast as possible.

The three protagonists were taken back 30 minutes in time in order to prevent Paradox from destroying Domino City and killing everyone. And time passed just with them getting accustomed with each other after all of them were brought in one place, there was no time to lose. They needed to get rid of Paradox one way or another, before Pegasus would arrive on the scene and get his ass royally kicked by an Axe Crazy Time Traveler again and setting a possible Grandfather Paradox into motion once more

Yes, that's true, I didn't think to this point. I forgot Team Protagonists are back only 30 minutes before Pegasus arrives.

Though, I wonder how it would have gone if Pegasus arrived at the duel while it was still ongoing. Paradox would have probably just smeared him up the building walls using his dragons.

Or, the duel is interrupted and thus begins a Pegasus and protagonists vs Paradox frenzy. Except Paradox would just drop the buildings on all of them this time around. Too easy.

Or, the Crimson Dragon takes the protagonists and Pegasus away. Chase across time ensues. A few things get wrecked on the way in the timeline. Ultimately Temporal Paradoxes ensue and things go bad.

Or, have Pegasus wait on the sidelines as Paradox is trying to finish the duel. Except Paradox wouldn't let that happen so smoothly. See above options.

Yeah, I dunno.

The first answer is the most logical. The second will be incredible: Toons vs Sin! The third is interesting. The fourth can work If Pegasus see the duel before to arrive. He can coming and wait somewhere, the duel ends and Paradox ignores Pegasus is arrived.

[Lia]

I will still always hate the fact that this duel got so rushed.

Just the opposite for me - since I'm not a huge fan of the whole "duel" background in the YGO series, I'm pretty glad that this duel was short. But then again, the duel filled a major part of the movie's running time. If only the plot was more prolix, so we could see the protagonists interacting with each other and doing something different from dueling. Even a little chit-chatting would've been enough for me. xD x) But anyway...

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Apart from the Executive Meddling for the movie length, I could see one justified, in-universe reason for the duel being rushed as it is.

That is, Paradox had to be stopped as fast as possible.

The three protagonists were taken back 30 minutes in time in order to prevent Paradox from destroying Domino City and killing everyone. And time passed just with them getting accustomed with each other after all of them were brought in one place, there was no time to lose. They needed to get rid of Paradox one way or another, before Pegasus would arrive on the scene and get his ass royally kicked by an Axe Crazy Time Traveler again and setting a possible Grandfather Paradox into motion once more.

Though, I wonder how it would have gone if Pegasus arrived at the duel while it was still ongoing. Paradox would have probably just smeared him up the building walls using his dragons.

Or, the duel is interrupted and thus begins a Pegasus and protagonists vs Paradox frenzy. Except Paradox would just drop the buildings on all of them this time around. Too easy.

Or, the Crimson Dragon takes the protagonists and Pegasus away. Chase across time ensues. A few things get wrecked on the way in the timeline. Ultimately Temporal Paradoxes ensue and things go bad.

Or, have Pegasus wait on the sidelines as Paradox is trying to finish the duel. Except Paradox wouldn't let that happen so smoothly. See above options.

Yeah, I dunno.

This is most likely said reason; and while it's a valid one, it's been established that Duels have no consistent length of time. In R, Tenma and Yugi duel for the better part of the night, but there's less than 12 turns each as I recall. By contrast, the entire Finals of Battle City seems to have taken place in a very short time. And don't even get me started on the filler arcs. They could easily have made it so every protagonist got 2 turns, leaving Yugi to deal the final blow; but because the writing staff are clearly Yusei fanboys...

I never seen a movie running 49 minutes but when I learnt there only 8 turns, I was a little surprising, It isn't much. I expected more time of duel between Paradox and Team Protagonists. I guess they're only 8 turns because the time but also the 3D: it must be expansive. But severals points of the movie surprised me. I also expected Team Protagonists saves Paradox. Learn they killed him was also very surprising.

It is very rare; but occasionally required. And yes, it's most likely expensive; that's why most movies have multiple sponsors. Look how many the 3 anime all have.

That's true. Usually, Yusei keep always some cards in his hand but this time not because timing questions. When you mentions the last card, you think to this picture Arynis had posted, the one Yusei draw after activate Stardust Mirage?

Yes I am; it never got played because Yugi and Judai jumped in with their GameBreaker Spiral Forces.

Ah, yes, that's true, I forgot De-Fusion was Yugi's card. Judai owns a copy of Mirror Force in his deck just in episode 6? That's weird. I guess It was only because scripters had need of a useful attack to do win the character. To create a Mirror Force version E-HERO would have been more interesting, at least Judai would have could use it again later in the serie.

Since Plants, Frogs, Cores etc. have one yes, I agree. Especially since E-HERO cards also have their own version of almost everything else.

Besides this, If he had set it instead of Hero Barrier, he would have destroyed Sin Paradox Dragon and Paradox coudn't activate Sin Paradigm Shift because he set it only at the end of his turn. But If Judai had activate Mirror Force, we never could see the gigantic and powerful Sin Truth Dragon with 3D animation summoning, special theme for him and his 5000 attack points^^

He had a card set (Sin Claw Stream) that could have been changed to Paradigm Shift.

So Dark Magician deck isn't really played. This is sad. I saw some players who play with Dark Magician/ Yugi's deck. They keep a lot his key card these players was generally among the fist winners.

Yeah, I'm a fan of the classics as well.

Yugi has a lot of news cards and they are very differents from his usuals cards. However, that's true they are very easy to play. Most particularly Magic Gate. It is Brain Control without Life cost and it is very easy to use: you has only need to control 2 Spellcasters or more to use it.

I think there's another difference; it seems to grant the use ownership of the monster instead of control. That's how Yusei revives Stardust to his own field. (How he revived it at all, having never Synchro Summoned it, is another issue; which annoyingly the anime still struggles with. Hell, the GX anime stays closer to the rules than the anime does at times.)

The 3D, like the time, is also a reason which explain why they did only 8 turns.
I never seen a 3D movie. It must be amazing. Wait (difficultly) and see! ^^

You will not be disappointed.

[Allana]

This is most likely said reason; and while it's a valid one, it's been established that Duels have no consistent length of time. In R, Tenma and Yugi duel for the better part of the night, but there's less than 12 turns each as I recall. By contrast, the entire Finals of Battle City seems to have taken place in a very short time. And don't even get me started on the filler arcs. They could easily have made it so every protagonist got 2 turns, leaving Yugi to deal the final blow; but because the writing staff are clearly Yusei fanboys...

That's true. There short duels and duels more longs. All depends the importance of the character(s). I never tried to count turn in a duel. I should try for fun, one day.

The movie had started with Yusei which Stardust is stolen. Finish with Yusei taking back Stardust Dagon is logical in that sense.

It is very rare; but occasionally required. And yes, it's most likely expensive; that's why most movies have multiple sponsors. Look how many the 3 anime all have.

That's true, there a lot of sponsors. At least Konami, NAS, TV Tokyo. If I remember, the others are shown just before the episode starts, there a lists of them in 5d's .

Yes I am; it never got played because Yugi and Judai jumped in with their GameBreaker Spiral Forces.

They activate their cards immediatly. The duel end with a mysterious card...

Since Plants, Frogs, Cores etc. have one yes, I agree. Especially since E-HERO cards also have their own version of almost everything else.

He had a card set (Sin Claw Stream) that could have been changed to Paradigm Shift.

Good point. It's easily possible for the scripters.

Yeah, I'm a fan of the classics as well.

I think there's another difference; it seems to grant the use ownership of the monster instead of control. That's how Yusei revives Stardust to his own field. (How he revived it at all, having never Synchro Summoned it, is another issue; which annoyingly the anime still struggles with. Hell, the GX anime stays closer to the rules than the anime does at times.)

I heard control. But your idea makes sense. The control doesn't implies Yusei can use Stardust's special ability from his owns Graveyard. But change the onwer, yes. Only the text on the card can states clearly things. It seems weird, I don't see scripters do a mistake in rules for a movie. Generally, animes stay correct with rules even If sometimes they change them a little. *Mystical Refpanel*

You will not be disappointed.

I hope.^^

[Arynis]

Just a quick reminder that the 2CH thread hit the 1000 post limit. Here is the new one (Part 11):

http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/...ie/1283606446/

Also updated the first post.

[63cohen]

Random question, but can you guys post at 2ch? I heard recently your IP has to be of Japan to do so.

Also, 4kids has used that Yusei summoning Stardust Dragon from the teaser of the movie in their fall preview. You know, this


(when Yusei comes up, cannot find the 20 second clip)

Just 2 seconds from when Yusei plays the card and right before the other monsters come after Stardust.

[GoldenUmi]

God damn, when the hell are we getting the DVD for this? They even released One Piece Strong World, which was released a month or so before, this past week. I don't get why they have to wait for America to air it first. :/

[Nemesis]

God damn, when the hell are we getting the DVD for this? They even released One Piece Strong World, which was released a month or so before, this past week. I don't get why they have to wait for America to air it first. :/

If people imported it, they wouldn't have to pay to see it in theaters, thus decreasing profit of the English Dub.

I can understand, but it's a tad hard to accept, I know.

[63cohen]

God damn, when the hell are we getting the DVD for this? They even released One Piece Strong World, which was released a month or so before, this past week. I don't get why they have to wait for America to air it first. :/

One Piece probably made over double that of this movie. Simply put, this was a box office bomb, and the international release will let it garner more money.

[XERO_Slayer]

The first answer is the most logical. The second will be incredible: Toons vs Sin! The third is interesting. The fourth can work If Pegasus see the duel before to arrive. He can coming and wait somewhere, the duel ends and Paradox ignores Pegasus is arrived.

Yeah, and then Pegasus takes control of Paradox's Sin Monsters and makes them into Toon Sin Monsters....

Uh-oh...

[Allana]

Yeah, and then Pegasus takes control of Paradox's Sin Monsters and makes them into Toon Sin Monsters....

Uh-oh...

LOL. Your idea makes me imagine Sin Paradox Dragon and Sin Truth Dragon in Toons monsters. XD Great!

[XERO_Slayer]

LOL. Your idea makes me imagine Sin Paradox Dragon and Sin Truth Dragon in Toons monsters. XD Great!

The question now arises, since Paradox fuses with SIN Truth Dragon, what would happen if Pegasus takes it and carTOONizes it while he's fused with his own monster?

Poor Paradox....

[Arynis]

Paradox being imprisoned in a cartoony nightmare blob.

Yeah, he would not be amused. At all.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

That's true. There short duels and duels more longs. All depends the importance of the character(s). I never tried to count turn in a duel. I should try for fun, one day.

The movie had started with Yusei which Stardust is stolen. Finish with Yusei taking back Stardust Dagon is logical in that sense.

It does make sense in plot; they just said "Screw the rules, my Motorcycle gives me super strength!" *run over*

They activate their cards immediatly. The duel end with a mysterious card...

Watch it be Saviour Dragon... "God damnit, I get no screen time anymore!"

I heard control. But your idea makes sense. The control doesn't implies Yusei can use Stardust's special ability from his owns Graveyard. But change the onwer, yes. Only the text on the card can states clearly things. It seems weird, I don't see scripters do a mistake in rules for a movie. Generally, animes stay correct with rules even If sometimes they change them a little. *Mystical Refpanel*

Generally, but they still screw up. "I can't attack your Earthbound God, so I'ma attack you directly!"

Yeah, and then Pegasus takes control of Paradox's Sin Monsters and makes them into Toon Sin Monsters....

Uh-oh...

Oh, let's not go there. Pegasus might suffer for that...

LOL. Your idea makes me imagine Sin Paradox Dragon and Sin Truth Dragon in Toons monsters. XD Great!

Slightly funny; but considering how cartoonish Sin Paradox's face looks to begin with...

The question now arises, since Paradox fuses with SIN Truth Dragon, what would happen if Pegasus takes it and carTOONizes it while he's fused with his own monster?

Poor Paradox....

He ends up in the animation quality of this:

Paradox being imprisoned in a cartoony nightmare blob.

Yeah, he would not be amused. At all.

No, no he would not. As if he didn't have enough reasons to drop a whole goddamn city on him...

[Allana]

It does make sense in plot; they just said "Screw the rules, my Motorcycle gives me super strength!" *run over*

Or they thought: *I come from the future, anybody knows Master Rules so I can do all I want!"

Watch it be Saviour Dragon... "God damnit, I get no screen time anymore!"

I'm sure Crimson Dragon is dispointed Yusei didn't played his card!

Generally, but they still screw up. "I can't attack your Earthbound God, so I'ma attack you directly!"

That's why the first time I dueled an Earthbound God in WC 2010, I didn't understand why I couldn't attack the player directly... I was wondering: "Why I can't do like Yusei in anime??"

Slightly funny; but considering how cartoonish Sin Paradox's face looks to begin with...

I'm sure Sin Paradox can be represented in Toon. Blue Eyes did it, she had even success to turn in Toon AND Sin.

No, no he would not. As if he didn't have enough reasons to drop a whole goddamn city on him...

Well... It's one reason more. All reasons counts for someone who wants kill someone other. *Think to CSI*

[soroam]

Has it been said anywhere that we are waiting for an International Release at all? I mean...

God damn, when the hell are we getting the DVD for this? They even released One Piece Strong World, which was released a month or so before, this past week. I don't get why they have to wait for America to air it first. :/

Doesn't it make sense that we also have to wait "a month or so" more?

It isn't that weird to wait 9-10 months for a DVD in Japan, last year I got desperate waiting for Bleach: Fade to Black, that movie took a whole 10 months to come on DVD.

[63cohen]

Has it been said anywhere that we are waiting for an International Release at all? I mean...



Doesn't it make sense that we also have to wait "a month or so" more?

It isn't that weird to wait 9-10 months for a DVD in Japan, last year I got desperate waiting for Bleach: Fade to Black, that movie took a whole 10 months to come on DVD.

Horoko said an insider source said so

[Arynis]

And to add, there is still absolutely nothing on the release of the Japanese DVD. Not the movie site, not 2CH, not even Google turns up anything.

So yeah, dub movie release it is for the time being. Sorry.

[GoldenUmi]

One Piece probably made over double that of this movie. Simply put, this was a box office bomb, and the international release will let it garner more money.

I was under the impression that it did well in theaters. Obviously One Piece earned far more, being as how popular it is in Japan, but I thought YGO did pretty well since they kept it in theaters and it seemed like many people were interested in it.

Doesn't it make sense that we also have to wait "a month or so" more?

It isn't that weird to wait 9-10 months for a DVD in Japan, last year I got desperate waiting for Bleach: Fade to Black, that movie took a whole 10 months to come on DVD.

Yeah, except if it were coming out a month later than Strong World, we'd see it up for preorder about 4-5 months early. The fact that nothing is listed now in September means we won't be getting anything for sure until after January, and that marks an entire year.

I have no problems with the dub movie being made and I will probably buy it when it's released here in DVD, but it irks me that we can't get it until after the American release, because it never usually happens like this.

I get the logic behind why they're doing it - it's just a little grating is all.

[soroam]

Horoko said an insider source said so

Well, okay... I guess I kinda expected something more official since everybody acts like it's... official.

Anyway, I'm just saying that is perfectly normal to be 9+ months without news, but yeah, it's been 7 months, something should appear soon.

[63cohen]

@GoldenUmi

Is 2 million USD over 2+ months considered good in Japan?

[Mockingbird]

@GoldenUmi

Is 2 million USD over 2+ months considered good in Japan?

Considering that if that number is true, and the numbers I just looked up are true... no, that is not good. It's even worse if the number I looked up is true because the movie made half of that on it's opening week, and then the rest of it for the rest of its theatrical run.

[GoldenUmi]

@GoldenUmi

Is 2 million USD over 2+ months considered good in Japan?

Guess not... Here are some numbers from other recent Shonen movies to compare:

One Piece Strong World: $53,000,000
Bleach Fade to Black: $6,032,296
Naruto Shippuden the Movie Inheritors of the Will of Fire: 250 million

When compared to these numbers, 2 million isn't much, huh? Still, I doubt they wouldn't release the product just because the numbers weren't amazing.

[Ryusaki]

It does seem a bit suspiciously low, if you ask me. What were the circumstances of release? Did it get a mass release? Were tickets the same price as those other movies?

[Arynis]

We know the movie was frequently promoted before 5D's (teasers, the Sin Monster reveals). It was first revealed in V-Jump, shortly following the Jump Festa event which had a 10 minute video on the movie. It was also promoted in Sakiyomi JumBANG!, Anison Plus+, FUJIWARA, Ene!, AxA (the last one being a bit after the premiere, January 25-28). The movie had sections devoted to it in V-Jump every month until the release, and it also had a contest which made you eligible to attend the January 17 preview. The movie also popped up in news articles, there were videos of Tamura's post recording interview too. There were also leaflets for the movie handed out in theaters. Then there was the 10th Anniversary Animation Book, which contained a discount for the movie tickets. Finally, there was an event held on the premiere of the movie, at which all four voice actors attended, as well as Yeager's.

I was updating the Janime Wiki with the developments as they came along, if you need to see how the events followed each other. http://wiki.janime.eu/index.php/Yu-G...me#Development

I will add that Sin Red-Eyes being the promo card was revealed in the beginning of January, while the movie being only 49 minutes long was revealed in the FAQ, which was posted on the 10th of December.

The movie was released in (primarily) TOHO theaters, and recalling the movie list, it had quite a lot of theaters airing it. (Unfortunately, I do not know if the theater list has been archived anywhere, because the official site doesn't have it anymore.) I think people on 2CH mentioned how some of them had to travel from their city to another where a theater with the movie was available.

According to the official site's FAQ, the ticket's price was 1300 yen, with 1000 yen being the price for children.

[63cohen]

So it was expensive after all. My 3D movies are 14 bucks. Manhattan is 17 from what I have heard.

[Lia]

It does seem a bit suspiciously low, if you ask me.

I've been thinking the same for some time now. Especially when I think of all assets this movie has. (Well, it does have some drawbacks too, but still....) I guess the japanese people expected to see something more than grand animation and 3D effects.