Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[DarkDust_Dragon]

I'm sure Crimson Dragon is dispointed Yusei didn't played his card!

"What the hell Yusei? I chauffeur you and your friends through FREAKIN TIME and you snub me!"

Well... It's one reason more. All reasons counts for someone who wants kill someone other. *Think to CSI*

Goddamn CSI Effect!

Is 2 million USD over 2+ months considered good in Japan?

That's not good in New Zealand. *Apologizes to all New Zealanders reading this post.*

We know the movie was frequently promoted before 5D's (teasers, the Sin Monster reveals). It was first revealed in V-Jump, shortly following the Jump Festa event which had a 10 minute video on the movie. It was also promoted in Sakiyomi JumBANG!, Anison Plus+, FUJIWARA, Ene!, AxA (the last one being a bit after the premiere, January 25-28). The movie had sections devoted to it in V-Jump every month until the release, and it also had a contest which made you eligible to attend the January 17 preview. The movie also popped up in news articles, there were videos of Tamura's post recording interview too. There were also leaflets for the movie handed out in theaters. Then there was the 10th Anniversary Animation Book, which contained a discount for the movie tickets. Finally, there was an event held on the premiere of the movie, at which all four voice actors attended, as well as Yeager's.

I was updating the Janime Wiki with the developments as they came along, if you need to see how the events followed each other. http://wiki.janime.eu/index.php/Yu-Gi-Oh!_10th_Anniversary_Movie:_Super_Fusion!_Bonds_Th at_Transcend_Time#Development

I will add that Sin Red-Eyes being the promo card was revealed in the beginning of January, while the movie being only 49 minutes long was revealed in the FAQ, which was posted on the 10th of December.

The movie was released in (primarily) TOHO theaters, and recalling the movie list, it had quite a lot of theaters airing it. (Unfortunately, I do not know if the theater list has been archived anywhere, because the official site doesn't have it anymore.) I think people on 2CH mentioned how some of them had to travel from their city to another where a theater with the movie was available.

According to the official site's FAQ, the ticket's price was 1300 yen, with 1000 yen being the price for children.

With the conversion rate, that's about $13 US dollars for a regular ticket, $10 for a children's ticket. Give or take. $13 is about what I pay for a 3D movie here, so that's not so bad.

So... with all that hype, with all that advertising, the film still barely made anything? What kinds of reviews did it get? That seems to be the one thing we never really discussed.

So it was expensive after all. My 3D movies are 14 bucks. Manhattan is 17 from what I have heard.

Ouch.

[XERO_Slayer]

Maybe I am too optimistic, but a part of me is still hoping that sometime later on in the middle or at the end of 5D's, a second Yugioh movie will be made...err, maybe I am just too used to the Kamen Rider series often solving plot lines in movies.

[Lia]

What kinds of reviews did it get? That seems to be the one thing we never really discussed.

Yeah, actually... the one thing we have never really discussed. Not that it has a lot for discussion. Considering the posts in 2chan, BBS NewWise and the reactions of the english-speaking people who have seen it already, it pretty much seemed that everyone were excited about it and the movie is definitely worth watching. And I agree - if not for the plot, at least the animation is something we haven't seen in the YGO series till now. But when I think about all this again - big national advertising, high favourable reviews and...low final income. Pretty strange indeed, "mon ami". x) We should hire Poirot and Hastings to investigate. xD Poirot's "little grey cells" can always help. x)

Maybe I am too optimistic, but a part of me is still hoping that sometime later on in the middle or at the end of 5D's, a second Yugioh movie will be made...err, maybe I am just too used to the Kamen Rider series often solving plot lines in movies.

I don't expect a new movie to be made so soon after the 10th anniversary one, but it definitely isn't the final YGO movie. But I guess we will have to wait for awhile untill the next one.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Maybe I am too optimistic, but a part of me is still hoping that sometime later on in the middle or at the end of 5D's, a second Yugioh movie will be made...err, maybe I am just too used to the Kamen Rider series often solving plot lines in movies.

Interesting comparison to make considering the current arc of 5D's...

I dunno. I'd love another movie, or at least an OVA... But that is another discussion in itself.

[Arynis]

"What the hell Yusei? I chauffeur you and your friends through FREAKIN TIME and you snub me!"

Hahaha. And then Crimson Dragon pulls a Giygas on everyone. Whoops...

So... with all that hype, with all that advertising, the film still barely made anything? What kinds of reviews did it get? That seems to be the one thing we never really discussed.

Ho hum. Reviews, yeah. Now that you mention it...

http://eiga.com/movie/55052/

1.5 stars + 1 review

Reviewer was disappointed by the length of the movie and the 3D effects. Voted 1.5 stars.
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http://pia-eigaseikatsu.jp/title/152856/

3.5 stars (73 points? Voters?) + 1 review

Reviewer found the movie cool, the theater was packed, there were many adults. The reviewer was also impressed by the amount of teenager girls. They would like to watch it in 2D again. Voted 4.5 stars.
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http://movie.walkerplus.com/mv45715/

5 stars + 0 reviews
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http://info.movies.yahoo.co.jp/detail/tymv/id335390/

4.16 stars + 32 reviews

Not going through all 32 reviews (unless someone wants me to), but a lot of reviewers voted 5 or 4 stars. Fewer of them voted 3 or 2.
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http://hlo.tohotheater.jp/net/movie/...uhin_cd=007573

TOHO's page on the movie. They had a rating list back when the movie was running. If my memory serves right, the YGO movie had 5 stars.
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I think the movie's low income could be attributed to the audience as well. The movie was advertised mostly during 5D's, a few years after GX and 10 years after DM, which means a bit of a generation gap. There were several people on 2CH who didn't recognize the older characters (i.e. had no idea who Pegasus was). Younger people wouldn't be familiar with Yugi or Judai, unless they were also familiar with those series. (Hence the Animation Book, which is intended as a refresher or a summary for those not familiar with the series in question.)

But going by reviews and people on Janime posting about the movie, the audience had people ranging from children to teenagers to adults to old people. Quite a variation, after all...

[Lia]

I think the movie's low income could be attributed to the audience as well. The movie was advertised mostly during 5D's, a few years after GX and 10 years after DM, which means a bit of a generation gap. There were several people on 2CH who didn't recognize the older characters (i.e. had no idea who Pegasus was). Younger people wouldn't be familiar with Yugi or Judai, unless they were also familiar with those series. (Hence the Animation Book, which is intended as a refresher or a summary for those not familiar with the series in question.)

But going by reviews and people on Janime posting about the movie, the audience had people ranging from children to teenagers to adults to old people. Quite a variation, after all...

Good point, "mon ami"....really good point. x) Your "little grey cells" made pretty good ratiocination. x)
Although I think it's more to the lack of more prolix and intriguing plot line. At least we have some grand animation to make up for it. x)

[Allana]

"What the hell Yusei? I chauffeur you and your friends through FREAKIN TIME and you snub me!"

"I will win this duel this turn. It isn't my fault, they activated their traps! If you wanted I play your card you should have coming the precedent turn!"

Goddamn CSI Effect!

Yeah!I think the movie's low income could be attributed to the audience as well. The movie was advertised mostly during 5D's, a few years after GX and 10 years after DM, which means a bit of a generation gap. There were several people on 2CH who didn't recognize the older characters (i.e. had no idea who Pegasus was). Younger people wouldn't be familiar with Yugi or Judai, unless they were also familiar with those series. (Hence the Animation Book, which is intended as a refresher or a summary for those not familiar with the series in question.)

But going by reviews and people on Janime posting about the movie, the audience had people ranging from children to teenagers to adults to old people. Quite a variation, after all...

Very good point! That's true in 10 years a lot of things had changed in Yu-Gi-Oh!
and everyone isn't necessarily familiar with all characters or even each series. I already read severals persons who explains they like 5d's but who don't know Yu-Gi-Oh! and GX.

@Lia: You quoted Hercule Poirot, right?

[Arynis]

o.O Hercule Poirot?

Yes, there's the length, but that have been cleared up a few times before -- Executive Meddling, eyestrain issues and all that. But if the footage info is true, the length will be extended a little.

As for the plot, well... the three protagonists had to be tied together somehow. That, and naturally, Duel Monsters. Time travel is pretty much one of the sensible solutions (and going by 5D's, it fits, too). Of course, the movie could have been done in several different ways from that point, but some danger had to be introduced. Cue Big Bad Paradox.

Yes, the lack of characters is a downside, especially the lack of Kaiba for some a lot of people. Judai's case might be justified because it's post-GX, and he was far away from Japan and the Duel Academia. For Yugi's case, he could have had everyone tag along, yes. But think about it -- because Yugi's friends weren't with him, they didn't die. Imagine if Yugi not only lost his grandfather, but also his closest companions as well. Ouch. Then again, Pegasus attended the event and got killed anyway. Pegasus' lack of luck, as always.

Or the movie could have gone with the protagonists facing off each other, ala the old rumors about the movie's theme. The Broken Base is broken enough as it is, and a duel like that would send the fandom into burning. a I'm so glad that didn't turn out to be true in the end.

Personally, I thought the plot line wasn't too bad, then again, I'm a sucker for time travel plots. Paradox is a pretty interesting villain, even if his plan sounds like a mess from what we currently know.

[Allana]

o.O Hercule Poirot?

He is one of most famous Agatha Christie's hero. She had written dectective story novels. I read almost all her books. Hercule Poirot refers to the logic and the reasonning like being "the little grey cells".

Believe me, Arynis, you owns more little grey cells than me.

Yes, there's the length, but that have been cleared up a few times before -- Executive Meddling, eyestrain issues and all that. But if the footage info is true, the length will be extended a little.

As for the plot, well... the three protagonists had to be tied together somehow. That, and naturally, Duel Monsters. Time travel is pretty much one of the sensible solutions (and going by 5D's, it fits, too). Of course, the movie could have been done in several different ways from that point, but some danger had to be introduced. Cue Big Bad Paradox.

Yes, the lack of characters is a downside, especially the lack of Kaiba for some a lot of people. Judai's case might be justified because it's post-GX, and he was far away from Japan and the Duel Academia. For Yugi's case, he could have had everyone tag along, yes. But think about it -- because Yugi's friends weren't with him, they didn't die. Imagine if Yugi not only lost his grandfather, but also his closest companions as well. Ouch. Then again, Pegasus attended the event and got killed anyway. Pegasus' lack of luck, as always.

Or the movie could have gone with the protagonists facing off each other, ala the old rumors about the movie's theme. The Broken Base is broken enough as it is, and a duel like that would send the fandom into burning. a I'm so glad that didn't turn out to be true in the end.

Personally, I thought the plot line wasn't too bad, then again, I'm a sucker for time travel plots. Paradox is a pretty interesting villain, even if his plan sounds like a mess from what we currently know.

Perhaps the time travel was the most simple and logic solution to reunites together characters: I mean, protagonists didn't traveled into dimensions or traveled alternates universes to meet each other. It would have been possible, Yugi sending Judai to an alternate universe in GX 180.

Yugi was alone but I think see the death of his grandfather was enough. If there also his friends... Another hand, he can't really talk of this event at anyone: he was alone to live this because everyone is resurrected.

It's a little strange Yugi was alone to this event: It's Pegasus, the creator of Duel Monsters who come himself to Domino City. Not some unknown duelist. Pegasus. So why, Jono-Uchi, Kaiba... wasn't presents? That's weird.

I never expected a end like this. When the movie had been realease in theaters, I expected Paradox coming soon in 5d's. But...he don't come!

[Lia]

@Lia: You quoted Hercule Poirot, right?

o.O Hercule Poirot?

He is one of most famous Agatha Christie's hero. She had written dectective story novels. I read almost all her books. [FONT=Tahoma]Hercule Poirot refers to the logic and the reasonning like being "the little grey cells".
Believe me, Arynis, you owns more little grey cells than me.

The one and only Belgian detective, created by Agatha Christie. x) 'The true work, it is done from within. The little grey cells - remember always the little grey cells, mon ami!' xD Agatha Christie's Poirot is great detective just as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes...although Poirot is more fascinating for me. x) I should make a fan-club for him and Captain Hastings. x)
But that's quite 'off-topic', so...

[Ryusaki]

Yeah, actually... the one thing we have never really discussed. Not that it has a lot for discussion. Considering the posts in 2chan, BBS NewWise and the reactions of the english-speaking people who have seen it already, it pretty much seemed that everyone were excited about it and the movie is definitely worth watching. And I agree - if not for the plot, at least the animation is something we haven't seen in the YGO series till now. But when I think about all this again - big national advertising, high favourable reviews and...low final income. Pretty strange indeed, "mon ami". x) We should hire Poirot and Hastings to investigate. xD Poirot's "little grey cells" can always help. x)

I think the movie's low income could be attributed to the audience as well. The movie was advertised mostly during 5D's, a few years after GX and 10 years after DM, which means a bit of a generation gap. There were several people on 2CH who didn't recognize the older characters (i.e. had no idea who Pegasus was). Younger people wouldn't be familiar with Yugi or Judai, unless they were also familiar with those series. (Hence the Animation Book, which is intended as a refresher or a summary for those not familiar with the series in question.)

Although YGO gets critical recognition every so often for creativity and for the manga, this movie entirely lies upon the fans for sales. And quite frankly, I don't see why a film which is for all intents and purposes massive fanservice would do poorly with the fans. Even if there are people who aren't familiar entirely with DM, I can't imagine they'd skip the film simply due to Yugi's (and Pegasus's) presence. I doubt this movie only made $2 million because YGO fans didn't want to see Yugi.

Now, I haven't heard about many Japanese fans coming back from this movie disappointed. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure this whole YGO thing is big in Japan. And whilst a 49-minute running time seems minimal to us, the Japanese are surely used to short anime movies. I guess I just can't get to grips with the fact that the movie could do so poorly in comparison to other anime films. Certainly NAS decided it was worth giving it a try worldwide.

[63cohen]

I think more kids will see it here because 4kids is able to air reruns of DM unlike NAS is on TV Tokyo. Remember that whole VA issue? From what I understand, they cannot have it air reruns or on DVD. And we all know how GX looks compared to 5Ds. Perhaps if they advertised it during the GX reruns, it might have made double. If they could of done DM reruns, maybe triple. But in America, 4kids can air DM and GX in reruns. I don't see them airing GX though as its ratings weren't as high as DM and 5Ds, but that does familiarize kids in the demo with the older characters. I don't think any Yugioh fan in America (cannot speak for other places) doesn't know who Pegasus or Kaiba or Joey is (dub names because it is the dub here). Perhaps not Zane or the other GX characters because they haven't done reruns of that. But unlike NAS, they have most of the episodes online for American audiences. So if a kid wants to familarize with GX or DM or 5Ds, they can. In Japan, they have to go out and buy the DVDs (from what I understand).

Are we suggesting what happened to South Park Bigger Longer Uncut took place here as well? Would people be embarrassed to see a Yugioh movie?

(If you don't know, SPBLU was R, so people paid for other movies and snuck in)

[Lia]

. Certainly NAS decided it was worth giving it a try worldwide.

Now I wonder in how many languages we will possibly see this movie dubbed, except for english. Probably German...eventually. But it's too early to think of this anyway.

[Arynis]

The one and only Belgian detective, created by Agatha Christie. x) 'The true work, it is done from within. The little grey cells - remember always the little grey cells, mon ami!' xD Agatha Christie's Poirot is great detective just as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes...although Poirot is more fascinating for me. x) I should make a fan-club for him and Captain Hastings. x)
But that's quite 'off-topic', so...

[FONT=Arial]He is one of most famous Agatha Christie's hero. She had written dectective story novels. I read almost all her books. Hercule Poirot refers to the logic and the reasonning like being "the little grey cells".

Believe me, Arynis, you owns more little grey cells than me.

Ah, I see. I'm not familiar with Agatha Christie and her works (apart from the fact that she's famous). Thank you for your explanation, both of you!

Aww, Allana, don't say that! ^^;

Perhaps the time travel was the most simple and logic solution to reunites together characters: I mean, protagonists didn't traveled into dimensions or traveled alternates universes to meet each other. It would have been possible, Yugi sending Judai to an alternate universe in GX 180.

Yeah, a dream or an AU could have also been a solution in theory... but hey, time travel is much cooler, right? Even Judai thinks so.

Yugi was alone but I think see the death of his grandfather was enough. If there also his friends... Another hand, he can't really talk of this event at anyone: he was alone to live this because everyone is resurrected.

Definitely. That's true.

It's a little strange Yugi was alone to this event: It's Pegasus, the creator of Duel Monsters who come himself to Domino City. Not some unknown duelist. Pegasus. So why, Jono-Uchi, Kaiba... wasn't presents? That's weird.

Perhaps they wanted a surprise for the kids at the tournament? Pegasus is a perfect candidate, and the fact that Pegasus gets along with the children is just a plus.

Maybe the tournament was too low level for Kaiba and he wasn't interested?

I never expected a end like this. When the movie had been realease in theaters, I expected Paradox coming soon in 5d's. But...he don't come!

I'm sure he'll come eventually, one way or another.

@ Ryusaki: Good point. And in fact, it must have been quite successful, considering how people talked about going to the theaters multiple times to watch the movie.

I still think the box office information is weird. Why there's info only for January and the beginning of February? The movie was ongoing until like, April. Where's the rest of the data?

@ Cohen: Didn't the VA issue apply to 4kids, and them not being able to sub DM because of that? Does it apply to Japan as well? I thought V-Jump had something about DM reruns...

But good point on the accessibility of the other series. We can watch them on the Internet, while Japan can't... but can't Japan look up the episodes just as we can? Unless you mean how 4kids legally has the episodes online, which people can watch.

Now I wonder in how many languages we will possibly see this movie dubbed, except for english. Probably German...eventually. But it's too early to think of this anyway.

I'm still praying that it reaches Hungary in some form. If anything, I want the movie to be shown in theaters just for the "Cool 3D animation movie!" aspect. *shot*

People who watched the movie said how even people who weren't familiar with YGO enjoyed it. So I'm hoping the whole "GX and 5D's wasn't shown over here" issue won't stop anyone...

[63cohen]

I thought since NAS doesn't have a contract with Yugi's VA for Duel Monsters, I thought it meant they cannot have it aired on TV. 4kids still has a deal with Dan Green and his Yugi voice (and will always because of the way American companies license voice actors) and could air it anyway they see fit.

And yes, legality does matter. If gives the company control to show audiences the series. As opposed to looking up episodes on Youtube/NicoNico/Say-move/etc. where it is random. NAS cannot depend on those outlets, while they can on outlets of their own.

Is there any anime streaming in Japan?

All I know is V-Jump advertises the "Future of GX" which is GX reruns on TV Tokyo.

[cashman_11]

The original series still airs, as far as I can tell from the last VJMP scans, as well. On the page across from the Future of GX page, there's info about the time and such.

[Ryusaki]

The original DM Duel Boxes and even DVDs seem to be in print as well, as far as I can tell. At least, CDJapan still sells new ones. So I imagine the VA issue is smaller than that.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Yeah, actually... the one thing we have never really discussed. Not that it has a lot for discussion. Considering the posts in 2chan, BBS NewWise and the reactions of the english-speaking people who have seen it already, it pretty much seemed that everyone were excited about it and the movie is definitely worth watching. And I agree - if not for the plot, at least the animation is something we haven't seen in the YGO series till now. But when I think about all this again - big national advertising, high favourable reviews and...low final income. Pretty strange indeed, "mon ami".

It might be good to read reviews on movies before seeing them. Though I sometimes find the reviews to be useless, they often address important things to know about the movie.

Ho hum. Reviews, yeah. Now that you mention it...

http://eiga.com/movie/55052/

1.5 stars + 1 review

Reviewer was disappointed by the length of the movie and the 3D effects. Voted 1.5 stars.

Disappointed by the 3D effects? Wow; did not see that coming.

http://pia-eigaseikatsu.jp/title/152856/

3.5 stars (73 points? Voters?) + 1 review

Reviewer found the movie cool, the theater was packed, there were many adults. The reviewer was also impressed by the amount of teenager girls. They would like to watch it in 2D again. Voted 4.5 stars.

Come on man; it's Yusei, Judai, Yugi and Paradox. Even the guys want them. I should know... But yeah, adults I saw coming; they're the ones who remember DM.

http://movie.walkerplus.com/mv45715/

5 stars + 0 reviews

...Too awesome for words?

http://info.movies.yahoo.co.jp/detail/tymv/id335390/

4.16 stars + 32 reviews

Not going through all 32 reviews (unless someone wants me to), but a lot of reviewers voted 5 or 4 stars. Fewer of them voted 3 or 2.

Mostly high reviews is enough.

http://hlo.tohotheater.jp/net/movie/...uhin_cd=007573

TOHO's page on the movie. They had a rating list back when the movie was running. If my memory serves right, the YGO movie had 5 stars.

That's pretty good reviews; and I doubt a popular group of theatres would create problems by making up reviews.

I think the movie's low income could be attributed to the audience as well. The movie was advertised mostly during 5D's, a few years after GX and 10 years after DM, which means a bit of a generation gap. There were several people on 2CH who didn't recognize the older characters (i.e. had no idea who Pegasus was). Younger people wouldn't be familiar with Yugi or Judai, unless they were also familiar with those series. (Hence the Animation Book, which is intended as a refresher or a summary for those not familiar with the series in question.)

Yes, that creates huge problems. If you don't remember/know who a character is, it's hard to enjoy them. And I'm guessing those who remember Yugi were slightly put off by how different his Deck was from in the actual show...

But going by reviews and people on Janime posting about the movie, the audience had people ranging from children to teenagers to adults to old people. Quite a variation, after all...

Very true.

Yes, there's the length, but that have been cleared up a few times before -- Executive Meddling, eyestrain issues and all that. But if the footage info is true, the length will be extended a little.

I never thought that was it; if you put up with GX's animation at times, 3D is a breeze. (There is no excuse for the roids.)

As for the plot, well... the three protagonists had to be tied together somehow. That, and naturally, Duel Monsters. Time travel is pretty much one of the sensible solutions (and going by 5D's, it fits, too). Of course, the movie could have been done in several different ways from that point, but some danger had to be introduced. Cue Big Bad Paradox.

The plot isn't as bad as some of the filler arcs in DM, or trhe fiorst half season of GX, so I don't think that's it.

Yes, the lack of characters is a downside, especially the lack of Kaiba for some a lot of people. Judai's case might be justified because it's post-GX, and he was far away from Japan and the Duel Academia. For Yugi's case, he could have had everyone tag along, yes. But think about it -- because Yugi's friends weren't with him, they didn't die. Imagine if Yugi not only lost his grandfather, but also his closest companions as well. Ouch. Then again, Pegasus attended the event and got killed anyway. Pegasus' lack of luck, as always.

Bingo. Reemember hopw we discussed the lack of Jonouchi, Kaiba, Johan and the Brothers Marufuji? I'm guessing a few people thought of that as well. There's a lot of loose ends from the film, many from their exclusion.

Or the movie could have gone with the protagonists facing off each other, ala the old rumors about the movie's theme. The Broken Base is broken enough as it is, and a duel like that would send the fandom into burning. a I'm so glad that didn't turn out to be true in the end.

God no. That should NEVER happen. That's partly why Yugioh vs GX got cancelled.

Personally, I thought the plot line wasn't too bad, then again, I'm a sucker for time travel plots. Paradox is a pretty interesting villain, even if his plan sounds like a mess from what we currently know.

A mess is part of his character, remember?

All I know is V-Jump advertises the "Future of GX" which is GX reruns on TV Tokyo.

There's been a lot of hints, on that note, that they may finally be dubbing GX. 4Kids has said that they're dubbing the Infinity Season of 5D's, the movie and something else Yugioh related. Other than the Toei anime and the 5D's OVA, there's only one thing to dub; and since they need different rights to the former and the latter has no canonity (and is outdated by purpose), that leaves only one thing.

[63cohen]

Nope, 4kids has not made any mention of GX being finished. In fact, one could conclude they found it no longer worth the time and money.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Nope, 4kids has not made any mention of GX being finished. In fact, one could conclude they found it no longer worth the time and money.

That's closer to my own opinion (since I don't want it ruined anyway); but as you can probably guess, there are lots of fans who still believe it will happen, and they'll twist things anyway they can to make it fit their opinions.

[63cohen]

That's closer to my own opinion (since I don't want it ruined anyway); but as you can probably guess, there are lots of fans who still believe it will happen, and they'll twist things anyway they can to make it fit their opinions.

Exactly what this mod over at Toonzone does. Light Lucario, she just won't believe it, even after Greg Abbey himself expressed 4kids has no projects in it at the moment.

[Heather]

I'm almost relieved that 4Kids won't dub GX season 4. I can only imagine the amount of garbage Jaden would spout at Yugi in the final duel! I'm hoping they don't make a complete mess of the movie but only time will tell I guess...

[HybridDragoness]

As mentioned before, this is a movie, so 4Kids won't completely and utterly butcher it... not as much as the TV show, anyway.

As for the reviews.... they're pretty interesting. Some say it's good, some say it's mediocre. I think I'll wait for reviews for the English version to come out first as they'll be from those who've seen the additional parts of the movie. Unless I misread something, there will be some additional content in the English version. I wonder how much additional content we'll get.

[Heather]

Sometimes is not so much the script that bothers me but the voices. I just hope they don't give Paradox a crazy villan voice and opt for something along the lines of Dartz, Sartorius etc. I still cringe when I hear Jacks dub voice.

I'm not paying attention to any reviews. I'll go and see the film at the cimema when it's released to witness the 3D effects and buy the Japanese movie on DVD when it comes available. I'm sure some people write bad reviews for the sake of it and as a slightly obsessive yugioh fan I guess I would be less judgemental that someone of a neutral opinion.

[HybridDragoness]

I definitely agree you with regards for the voices. As for Jack Atlas' dub voice... I'm Australian, and most of us sound nothing like that XD

Sure, reviews are subjective, but if a heap of reviewers have a consensus about something that was especially good or bad, you can probably take it seriously.

As for the extended content in the movie... I hope it's not just trash talking.

[Heather]

As for Jack Atlas' dub voice... I'm Australian, and most of us sound nothing like that XD

For all their supposed child friendly programmes, they don't half know how to insult a full nation in one quick movement! Even Paul Hogan in Crocodile Dundee didn't sound THAT Australian!!

Mind you, Varon's British accent reminded me a lot of Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins

I agree with you on the added content too, if it's trash talking it will be bobbins. I also hope it's not flashbacks of previous episodes just to pad it out a bit. I can't help but think we may get a bit of Jaden giving it some "I remember my last year at Duel Academy....." with a bit of season 4 shoved in as a lot of the viewers wouldn't have seen it anyway so they wouldn't know that it's not new.

[Lia]

I still cringe when I hear Jacks dub voice.

I actually consider Ted Lewis as very talanted actor along with Dan Green. I'm guite pleased with Lewis's british accent. xD x) Too bad that 4KID'S still don't know how to estimate such great voices.

[Makoeyes987]

If we don't know the full box office figures of the movie after January, trying to declare whether this movie was a success or not in Japan is impossible. Going by the opening figures we can't determine whether or not its grossed enough to consider itself a bomb or a blockbuster. The figures just aren't there, unless you believe after January no one else ever saw the movie again.

I don't think the movie failed as hard as everyone's making it out to be. Again, these are just preliminary numbers, at the start. Who knows what the rest are. Seems a bit premature to be talking about it in terms of a bust.

[Heather]

I actually consider Ted Lewis as very talanted actor along with Dan Green. I'm guite pleased with Lewis's british accent. xD x) Too bad that 4KID'S still don't know how to estimate such great voices.

I love Dan Green's Dark Yugi voice, especially towards the end of the series when he had perfected it. In my opinion I just find that the voices that aren't over exaggerated to be more successful. And I'm also not keen when they go for very obvious accents (like I said, Jack, Varon, Jesse, Joey). It's a shame because some of the actors are really good and by shoving in an over the top voice it just lessens the programme to me. I think everyone who saw that GX episode with Mad Dog Vs Zane will know exactly what I mean... not neccessary!

[Makoeyes987]

I love Dan Green's Dark Yugi voice, especially towards the end of the series when he had perfected it. In my opinion I just find that the voices that aren't over exaggerated to be more successful. And I'm also not keen when they go for very obvious accents (like I said, Jack, Varon, Jesse, Joey). It's a shame because some of the actors are really good and by shoving in an over the top voice it just lessens the programme to me. I think everyone who saw that GX episode with Mad Dog Vs Zane will know exactly what I mean... not neccessary!

Dan Green is a very talented voice actor, and I can't deny that whenever I play the duel terminal here at our local card shop, I feel a nostalgic tingle whenever I hear his lines. But in terms of the actual character of Yugi and Atem, his voice is just way too deep for the voice of a shy, young teenager. However if I had to choose between Dan Green and the nobody who does Yugi's voice for the Japanese Duel Terminals, I'll take Dan Green. At least he sounds like he has a soul.

With Dan Green, Yugi didn't just go through puberty. He rammed it. Up the arse.

[Ryusaki]

Dan Green is a very talented voice actor, and I can't deny that whenever I play the duel terminal here at our local card shop, I feel a nostalgic tingle whenever I hear his lines. But in terms of the actual character of Yugi and Atem, his voice is just way too deep for the voice of a shy, young teenager. However if I had to choose between Dan Green and the nobody who does Yugi's voice for the Japanese Duel Terminals, I'll take Dan Green. At least he sounds like he has a soul.

With Dan Green, Yugi didn't just go through puberty. He rammed it. Up the arse.

While we're on the topic of Dan Green (and since there isn't exactly any movie news right now) I'll point out that his Dark Yugi voice can be very good. Unfortunately, the grouchy old man voice that he often turns Dark Yugi into -- the one that all the fangirls love and the memes come from -- isn't his good Yugi voice. He sounds appropriate when he makes Yugi softer and smug as hell. For some reason it's his inappropriate old man voice which is most popular, which is a shame.

[Heather]

With Dan Green, Yugi didn't just go through puberty. He rammed it. Up the arse.

That has to be my favourite quote in a long time, priceless!!

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Exactly what this mod over at Toonzone does. Light Lucario, she just won't believe it, even after Greg Abbey himself expressed 4kids has no projects in it at the moment.

Some people are simply too delusional to listen to the facts I guess...

Sometimes is not so much the script that bothers me but the voices. I just hope they don't give Paradox a crazy villan voice and opt for something along the lines of Dartz, Sartorius etc. I still cringe when I hear Jacks dub voice.

Dartz voice creepy? How is being inexplicably British creepy? As for Saiou, his dub voice is modeled after Hannibal Lecter, and I for one liked the suave-sounding voice; I just wished the associated lines fit better. Hell, Rampage from Beast Wars does a better Lecter impersonation than the guy/girl who has his voice. WTF?

Jack's voice is not too bad compared to some Australian voices (and no Jaden, I don't mean they speak Australian; WTF was that?); the problem, again, is the dialogue. His ridiculous boasting is not matched by his tone, which the writers should be able to adapt to, to the point of Jack's surprised-sounding "How are you doing that?" In Episode 21 WHEN HE HAS A STERN LOOK ON HIS FACE.

I definitely agree you with regards for the voices. As for Jack Atlas' dub voice... I'm Australian, and most of us sound nothing like that XD

I know Australians as well, and I impersonate an Australian accent habitually (and you'll be happy to know, my dear, that I NEVER use it to insult Australians); and I have never heard anything so over the top either. Would you prefer he sounded like Jim's dub voice (actually, that deeper voice would match his character better...)?

For all their supposed child friendly programmes, they don't half know how to insult a full nation in one quick movement! Even Paul Hogan in Crocodile Dundee didn't sound THAT Australian!!

I think too many people are basing their accent off Steve Irwin impersonators.

Mind you, Varon's British accent reminded me a lot of Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins

Is that what that was supposed to be? I always assumed it was a failed attempt at a Welsh accent or something.

I actually consider Ted Lewis as very talanted actor along with Dan Green. I'm guite pleased with Lewis's british accent. xD x) Too bad that 4KID'S still don't know how to estimate such great voices.

He has voice acting talents, yes; the issue is that the voice does not go with Jack's personality. Me, I'd love to see an Australian dub of 5D's, just so people would see what a proper Australian accent should sound like.

That has to be my favourite quote in a long time, priceless!!

Mine too. Makoeyes for Global Mod!

[Heather]

Dartz voice creepy? How is being inexplicably British creepy? As for Saiou, his dub voice is modeled after Hannibal Lecter, and I for one liked the suave-sounding voice; I just wished the associated lines fit better. Hell, Rampage from Beast Wars does a better Lecter impersonation than the guy/girl who has his voice. WTF?

Maybe I didn't phrase it right but I think the Dartz and Sartorius dub voices are great. I was hoping that 4Kids would use that kind of voice rather than Zigfried for example. I think the calmer, more educated sounding voice is far more threatening than an over the top maniacal voice.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Maybe I didn't phrase it right but I think the Dartz and Sartorius dub voices are great. I was hoping that 4Kids would use that kind of voice rather than Zigfried for example. I think the calmer, more educated sounding voice is far more threatening than an over the top maniacal voice.

Ah, I see. Dartz (despite a completely out of place accent) and Saiou had good dub voices, which allowed them to seem like actual villains. But I don't think Seigfried was a good enough villain to deserve a good voice, so...

[Makoeyes987]

Sartorius sounds like he wants to eat my liver or something. All he needs to do is make that slurping noise with his lips and it'd be set. I get the reference but it doesn't suit him.

I much prefer Takuma Saiou's deep, calm, seductive, and confident voice that oozes manipulation and falsehoods which certainly fits the head of a global cult that worships space radiation. It also acts as the perfect contrast for when he's completely possessed by the Light of Destruction and sounds utterly batshit as hell, like he's about to scream and go into a fit of singing showtunes.

Dartz on the other hand is one of those dub voices I think are just spot on perfect. I can't complain about it at all. The only issue would be the lines, but thats not the voice actor's fault. He brought a level of quality that was beyond what the dub usually delivered. He made the dub of Doma quite nice.

On another note, Varon's random Australian accent, was pretty amusing, despite being random and nonsensical. Raphael's was good too. Can't really go wrong giving a buff biker badass a deep, gruff voice that sounds like he chews glass and spits marbles.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Sartorius sounds like he wants to eat my liver or something. All he needs to do is make that slurping noise with his lips and it'd be set. I get the reference but it doesn't suit him.

But first... fava beans and a nice Kiante (spelling?).

I much prefer Takuma Saiou's deep, calm, seductive, and confident voice that oozes manipulation and falsehoods which certainly fits the head of a global cult that worships space radiation. It also acts as the perfect contrast for when he's completely possessed by the Light of Destruction and sounds utterly batshit as hell, like he's about to scream and go into a fit of singing showtunes.

Somewhere, over the rainbow...

Dartz on the other hand is one of those dub voices I think are just spot on perfect. I can't complain about it at all. The only issue would be the lines, but thats not the voice actor's fault. He brought a level of quality that was beyond what the dub usually delivered. He made the dub of Doma quite nice.

Exactly. Dartz made that season.

On another note, Varon's random Australian accent, was pretty amusing, despite being random and nonsensical. Raphael's was good too. Can't really go wrong giving a buff biker badass a deep, gruff voice that sounds like he chews glass and spits marbles.

Nope, you can't; and somehow I think calling that accent "Australian" is just as bad for HybridDragoness to swallow as "Jeck Etles" is.

[63cohen]

When on the topic of voice actors, I think any educated fan can tell they are all quite well. It is just some episodes the director tells them to do something stupid. I like to point to Sean Schemmel's Madd Dogg (Sean isn't horrible is he?)

My opinions ... Yusie is great, Greg Abbey just needs a small tweek on the screaming, more manly and not like a teen. Dan Green's Yugi was nice until the end where it was way too high pitched. Atem was nice too, and for me it fit better than the higher pitched original version. I do understand it was meant to symbolize the two being almost exactly the same, but making an adaptation is quite difficult, and some things get changed. I really cannot comment on Jaden's because I was never a big fan of GX, but he was goofy enough to give Jaden that sense. A bit too much, but I blame the director for most of that.

Oh, and any character voiced by Marc Thompson that is gruff usually is a nice fit. Like Roman and Ralphael

(Note: I use dub names when talking about dub characters. Sorry for the confusion)

[cashman_11]

I think, as Cohen stated, some of the voices aren't bad, it's just the lines and directing. I find Yusei's dub voice to be pretty fitting, Judai's dub voice wasn't bad during the first part of GX, he just was a little to goofy for the later part. Yugi I don't find too bad in the dub, I just think Dan Green as Atem sounded a little too deep at times, but it was ok still. And as said, I actually like the dub voices on some characters, Valon/Varon was ok with the Aussie sound, Jack on the other hand gets annoying. The only characters I dislike dub-wise because of voice were Aki(za), Lua, Luca, Mad Dog, and a few others that are given just plain bad voices, like Mai during Doma. I hope the movie has a good voice director, one thing I have to give props to 4Kids for is finding voices that match a character for the most part. (Yusei, Judai at times, Yugi, Mai's original voice, it's just some of the accents and directing that take away from it)

[HybridDragoness]

Jack's voice is not too bad compared to some Australian voices (and no Jaden, I don't mean they speak Australian; WTF was that?); the problem, again, is the dialogue. His ridiculous boasting is not matched by his tone, which the writers should be able to adapt to, to the point of Jack's surprised-sounding "How are you doing that?" In Episode 21 WHEN HE HAS A STERN LOOK ON HIS FACE.

You have a point there. I still cringe at his voice a little, and that's after watching quite a few dub eps. Either way, you're definitely right; there are worse Aussie accents out there. That, however, doesn't stop me from at least disliking Jack Atlas' dub voice. I guess it's subjective.

I know Australians as well, and I impersonate an Australian accent habitually (and you'll be happy to know, my dear, that I NEVER use it to insult Australians); and I have never heard anything so over the top either. Would you prefer he sounded like Jim's dub voice (actually, that deeper voice would match his character better...)?

I'm unfamiliar with Jim's dub voice, so I can't really make a comment.

I think too many people are basing their accent off Steve Irwin impersonators.

I know, eh? It happens all the time.


EDIT: As for Varon's accent.... I've looked it up... and I fell off my seat laughing.... yeah... And thanks, DarkDust XD

Back on topic... I don't pay attention to the voices unless they are very impressive, very bad or a weirdified Aussie accent.

[XERO_Slayer]

I think, as Cohen stated, some of the voices aren't bad, it's just the lines and directing. I find Yusei's dub voice to be pretty fitting, Judai's dub voice wasn't bad during the first part of GX, he just was a little to goofy for the later part. Yugi I don't find too bad in the dub, I just think Dan Green as Atem sounded a little too deep at times, but it was ok still. And as said, I actually like the dub voices on some characters, Valon/Varon was ok with the Aussie sound, Jack on the other hand gets annoying. The only characters I dislike dub-wise because of voice were Aki(za), Lua, Luca, Mad Dog, and a few others that are given just plain bad voices, like Mai during Doma. I hope the movie has a good voice director, one thing I have to give props to 4Kids for is finding voices that match a character for the most part. (Yusei, Judai at times, Yugi, Mai's original voice, it's just some of the accents and directing that take away from it)

^^Pretty much this. Although I greatly detest 4kids, I will admit that they can at rare times do a fair and fine job at dubbing.

[Heather]

On another note, Varon's random Australian accent, was pretty amusing, despite being random and nonsensical.

Was he Australian? I always thought it was meant to be British as it sounds like a bad London Cockney accent! I guess that shows how awful it was but I kinda got over it as I liked Varon as a character in the same way I got over Jesse's southern accent as I like Johan.

[Lia]

While we're on the topic of Dan Green (and since there isn't exactly any movie news right now) I'll point out that his Dark Yugi voice can be very good. Unfortunately, the grouchy old man voice that he often turns Dark Yugi into -- the one that all the fangirls love and the memes come from -- isn't his good Yugi voice. He sounds appropriate when he makes Yugi softer and smug as hell. For some reason it's his inappropriate old man voice which is most popular, which is a shame.

Yugi and Atem sound far better in DK arc. Dan's voice isn't that much deep there as in the latest seasons. But this quite turned out to be a dub discussion topic rather than 10th anniversary one....xD

[DarkDust_Dragon]

When on the topic of voice actors, I think any educated fan can tell they are all quite well. It is just some episodes the director tells them to do something stupid. I like to point to Sean Schemmel's Madd Dogg (Sean isn't horrible is he?)

No; he does some great voices, my favourites being the Cobra and Bommer dubs; that voice for Mad Dog is most likely a writer/director idea, as with Jeck's bed eccent.

My opinions ... Yusie is great, Greg Abbey just needs a small tweek on the screaming, more manly and not like a teen. Dan Green's Yugi was nice until the end where it was way too high pitched. Atem was nice too, and for me it fit better than the higher pitched original version. I do understand it was meant to symbolize the two being almost exactly the same, but making an adaptation is quite difficult, and some things get changed. I really cannot comment on Jaden's because I was never a big fan of GX, but he was goofy enough to give Jaden that sense. A bit too much, but I blame the director for most of that.

Greg has a disadvantage to Yuya Miyashita though; he's not a rock singer, so he doesn't practice manly screaming often enough. Matthew Charles does a good job as Judai dub, but again the dub lines completely screw him over (Yes, Jaden, a protege is a car, but not right now it isn't...).

Oh, and any character voiced by Marc Thompson that is gruff usually is a nice fit. Like Roman and Ralphael

(Note: I use dub names when talking about dub characters. Sorry for the confusion)

Rudger's dub voice sounded okay to me, but kinda generic. The Japanese voice, though, sounds really gravelly, which is not usually a side effect of death.

You have a point there. I still cringe at his voice a little, and that's after watching quite a few dub eps. Either way, you're definitely right; there are worse Aussie accents out there. That, however, doesn't stop me from at least disliking Jack Atlas' dub voice. I guess it's subjective.

Disliking is fine if you can justify it.

I'm unfamiliar with Jim's dub voice, so I can't really make a comment.

It's actually one of the better voices for the dub, and somehwta more appropriate/less stupid than Japanese Jim and his Engrish.

EDIT: As for Varon's accent.... I've looked it up... and I fell off my seat laughing.... yeah... And thanks, DarkDust XD

No probs.

Back on topic... I don't pay attention to the voices unless they are very impressive, very bad or a weirdified Aussie accent.

Me, I just watch the good voices.

[DarkDust_Dragon]

Sorry about a doube post, but this thread has been stagnating; and in the zerg rush of topic-derailed posts, I failed to notice this...

If we don't know the full box office figures of the movie after January, trying to declare whether this movie was a success or not in Japan is impossible. Going by the opening figures we can't determine whether or not its grossed enough to consider itself a bomb or a blockbuster. The figures just aren't there, unless you believe after January no one else ever saw the movie again.

While that may be true, most films make the majority of their profits in the first moth they are in theatres, because that's when people flock to see them. They made some more money later, yes, but likely not enough to reverse that much of a deficit.

I don't think the movie failed as hard as everyone's making it out to be. Again, these are just preliminary numbers, at the start. Who knows what the rest are. Seems a bit premature to be talking about it in terms of a bust.

That's called perspective my friend. We're used to hearing about films making untold-million dollars in their run, because thats what happens here; he have no idea what a good movie makes there. Nor, for that matter, how much this movie cost that needed to be made up for.

[63cohen]

Just thought to say 4kids has a full press release for the movie

http://toonzone.net/forums/showpost....&postcount=622

He doesn't have the official link, but I would assume yahoo finance should bring it up.

Seems they have the full $$ reports, the film made over 3 million in only 124 theaters. So it wasn't bad after all.

EDIT: Found the full press release.
http://www.awn.com/news/television/4...ds-beyond-time

[Makoeyes987]

Awesome. We now know for a fact there will be a DVD release. Now to hope there will be a Blu-Ray release and it having the original dialogue, music and subtitles.

I also am pleased to hear it made that much. That's pretty solid for such a small theatre run.

Also, that's an interesting movie poster... Did you see what they did? They put the YGO DM style hieroglyphics in the background, instead of the random assortment of cards. That's an interesting marketing choice. I guess since DM is still on air and more popular.

[63cohen]

Not to be rude, rather funny though. I am expecting at least some rep for this LOL

(rep system is fail when you already get in download forum)

[GoldenUmi]

Cohen, I gave you your rep, ya greedy bastard. xD

I'm pleased to here we'll at least get the movie released here. I'm crossing my fingers for Blu-Ray and the Japanese audio/subs so I can enjoy both versions.

[63cohen]

I am most happy with the DVDs, as well as the TV announcement. So it will be broadcast (there really isn't anything in it that is questionable is there?) on Toonzai after all. BluRay will come if the studio (NAS) makes one. 4kids has really no control over it. Subbed should come as Konami did sub a nice portion of important scenes, why not the whole 50+ minutes.

I think the most importan thing of this report was the note about how much money it made out of only 124 3D theaters.

Oh, thanks GU. But to note, you weren't the only one to rep me LOL.

Forgot to mention, the press release confirms this is the first hand-drawn animation with 3D, Japanese or not.