Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Movie ~Super Fusion! Bonds That Transcend Time~

[chrisedomaster]

I have had the Animation Art book in-hand for a couple of days now. The Art Book contains a two sided folded poster, [...]

Thanks for summary. My Art Book come in 1 week and some days >:
I think I upload the scans still when I have the Art Book.

[draago]

I took a few digital photo pics of the movie pages and posters. Best I can do right now since for some reason, my scanner and comp are not cooperating with each other. Since chrisedomaster is scanning when book arrives anyway, the digital pics should suffice for now. Will try to upload them soon...camera is sending them to my computer as I type this...then I'll upload to my website and send link here.

[Arynis]

I took a few digital photo pics of the movie pages and posters. Best I can do right now since for some reason, my scanner and comp are not cooperating with each other. Since chrisedomaster is scanning when book arrives anyway, the digital pics should suffice for now. Will try to upload them soon...camera is sending them to my computer as I type this...then I'll upload to my website and send link here.

Awesome! Thank you for your efforts, draago!

In the meantime, someone drew more movie stuff on Pixiv: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.p...=8522982#page1

Yugi's face when he sees Paradox fusing with Sin Truth Dragon and remembering Dark Marik is priceless, lol. (But they still didn't draw Sin Truth... I really want to know how it looks like. :< )

[draago]

I've used a webshots account to upload pics. Hopefully this link I give here works...if not, I'll try it differently. Please excuse flash spots on images...very cloudy and snowing so no good natural lighting, etc. Also, had to size 'em down a bit. My ancient comp just too slow with stuff otherwise. But at least you get a sneak peek before actual scans. Sorry some pics, etc. may be too small to see details.

webshots link: (use 'slideshow to see all without having to click on each)

http://entertainment.webshots.com/al...=entertainment

[ESPerWingal]

I've used a webshots account to upload pics. Hopefully this link I give here works...if not, I'll try it differently. Please excuse flash spots on images...very cloudy and snowing so no good natural lighting, etc. Also, had to size 'em down a bit. My ancient comp just too slow with stuff otherwise. But at least you get a sneak peek before actual scans. Sorry some pics, etc. may be too small to see details.

webshots link: (use 'slideshow to see all without having to click on each)

http://entertainment.webshots.com/al...=entertainment

I think theres some things in there we haven't seen.

Thanks for the pictures Draago

[Arynis]

I've used a webshots account to upload pics. Hopefully this link I give here works...if not, I'll try it differently. Please excuse flash spots on images...very cloudy and snowing so no good natural lighting, etc. Also, had to size 'em down a bit. My ancient comp just too slow with stuff otherwise. But at least you get a sneak peek before actual scans. Sorry some pics, etc. may be too small to see details.

webshots link: (use 'slideshow to see all without having to click on each)

http://entertainment.webshots.com/al...=entertainment

Excellent! Thank you so much!

Hmm. There's one new picture on this page in the upper left corner. What is that, another shot of Paradox's future?

The interviews seem plentiful, too. If this is the Gospel of Truth for the movie, that must mean this is a case of All There In The Manual ... Which means more about Paradox might be revealed in this ... WAAAAAANT.

Heh... I like how they are using that shot of Paradox on the back of the book I used to have in my signature. It's just that good. XD

[Allana]

Thanks a lot Arynis and draago !

The arts are awesome ! I wonder me the articles say.

[chrisedomaster]

Nice pictures. I look forward when my Art book comes to me. I hope my scanns are then really good,so you can make nice Signatures or avatar's XD

[Lia]

http://entertainment.webshots.com/al...=entertainment

Thanks for the sneak peek at the content of the 10th Anniversary Book. ^_^ I saw 2 or 3 pics that we haven't seen yet. Definitely the book is worth being fully scanned (either by Janime or by someone else).

PS: I quite like the profile pictire of Yugi and Dark Yugi. The pose is the same like in the "Chara" section of the official 10th Anniversary website. Very cool. xD

[Heleentje]

You guys you guys~

So Arynis wanted to thank the people at BBS Newwise because they always have the latest news and pictures for us, and I decided to put the little bit of Chinese I've acquired to good use. This is the message I wanted to send, translated in English:
Hello!


We English-speaking Yu-Gi-Oh fans would like to thank you. You gave us the latest news, pictures and articles involving the movie every time, and your theories are very interesting! Because of you we got interested in the movie.

Thank you!

The people from Janime, Play The Damn Card, and the English-speaking fans.

P.S. XYZ Dragon Cannon and Shenmimengzhu: your theories are really awesome!

P.P.S. I'm sorry, my Chinese isn't very good ^^;


I tried to post this, but apparently I didn't have enough credit to do so. So I PMed it to XYZ, hoping they could help out. I got a reply a little back:


不客气 我也经常去你们那里的论坛 很感谢你们提供的新消息和图

"You're welcome, I also often visit your forum. Thank you for the news and pictures"


So so, basically, like we already suspected, they visit Janime too I'm hoping the message will be posted in the main thread as well, so we can thank everyone else too ^^

[NeoTK]

That's amazing that this movie has made the top 10 and earned over $1 million already. Can't wait to see where it will end up =D

[Ryusaki]

So Arynis wanted to thank the people at BBS Newwise because they always have the latest news and pictures for us, and I decided to put the little bit of Chinese I've acquired to good use. This is the message I wanted to send, translated in English:
Hello!


We English-speaking Yu-Gi-Oh fans would like to thank you. You gave us the latest news, pictures and articles involving the movie every time, and your theories are very interesting! Because of you we got interested in the movie.

Thank you!

The people from Janime, Play The Damn Card, and the English-speaking fans.

P.S. XYZ Dragon Cannon and Shenmimengzhu: your theories are really awesome!

P.P.S. I'm sorry, my Chinese isn't very good ^^;


I tried to post this, but apparently I didn't have enough credit to do so. So I PMed it to XYZ, hoping they could help out. I got a reply a little back:


不客气 我也经常去你们那里的论坛 很感谢你们提供的新消息和图

"You're welcome, I also often visit your forum. Thank you for the news and pictures"


So so, basically, like we already suspected, they visit Janime too I'm hoping the message will be posted in the main thread as well, so we can thank everyone else too ^^

Thanks Heleentje, that was a really neat thing to do. It's cool that we can offer something to the non-English-speaking fans who provide us with so much.

[Arynis]

Thanks Heleentje, that was a really neat thing to do. It's cool that we can offer something to the non-English-speaking fans who provide us with so much.

Indeed! They have done so much to bring us the information, so I thought it would be nice to thank them. And it helps the international fandom bonding. XD XYZ Dragon Cannon sounds like a cool guy, too~

I hope the message will reach the board itself as well, so we can thank the entire forum for their efforts.

Thank you Heleen, this wouldn't have been possible without your help! <3

Also guys, a new 2chan thread has started, so don't forget to update your bookmarks! I have also updated the first post with the new thread link.

[GoldenUmi]

You guys rock. It's about time we thank these people we leech info off of all the time. Hopefully they appreciate it, at the very least.

[MajinSageofDark]

I was just wondering. Is there any word on whether Yuugi remembers Juudai? I mean obviously we know that Juudai retained him memories of the GX 179-180 duel but do you think Yuugi also did?

[Prismamaster]

I was just wondering. Is there any word on whether Yuugi remembers Juudai? I mean obviously we know that Juudai retained him memories of the GX 179-180 duel but do you think Yuugi also did?

I think yugi does remember judai.At least judai gets more screentime than yugi.

[Allana]

I was just wondering. Is there any word on whether Yuugi remembers Juudai? I mean obviously we know that Juudai retained him memories of the GX 179-180 duel but do you think Yuugi also did?

The Yugi that Judai had met is located in a different timeline, where another Battle City exists. In real timeline, the second Battle City doesn't exists so Yugi can't remember of Judai because he had never met him.

[Lia]

You guys rock. It's about time we thank these people we leech info off of all the time. Hopefully they appreciate it, at the very least.

It's good we finally thanked those guys. It's great that we mutually share info about the movie.

[Prismamaster]

The Yugi that Judai had met is located in a different timeline, where another Battle City exists. In real timeline, the second Battle City doesn't exists so Yugi can't remember of Judai because he had never met him.

Then why did the grown up yugi send judai to the past?Yugi remembers Judai.

[Allana]

Then why did the grown up yugi send judai to the past?Yugi remembers Judai.

Yugi adult know Judai: he gave him Winged Kuriboh when he met him for the first time. Young Yugi don't know Judai because he had never met him in his timeline, the true timeline where the second Battle City doesn't exists. So Young Yugi can't remember of Judai.

[Prismamaster]

Yugi adult know Judai: he gave him Winged Kuriboh when he met him for the first time. Young Yugi don't know Judai because he had never met him in his timeline, the true timeline where the second Battle City doesn't exists. So Young Yugi can't remember of Judai.

This may be true.So you're saying that yugi doesn't know jaden at the movie?This is wierd.

[Allana]

This may be true.So you're saying that yugi doesn't know jaden at the movie?This is wierd.

I don't see the movie but I suppose It's imposible: Yusei met Judai and Yugi when the timeline is normal.

[MajinSageofDark]

But why is the Second Battle City another timeline? Are you saying that the Yugi from the movie has not yet won the second Battle City tournament, therefore has not yet met Judai, therefore would not remember him?

[Allana]

But why is the Second Battle City another timeline? Are you saying that the Yugi from the movie has not yet won the second Battle City tournament, therefore has not yet met Judai, therefore would not remember him?

Exactly. Judai himself states he is in another timeline because when he arrives and he see the poster about Battle City V2, he say "Where I am exactly ?" because this event doesn't exist in the normal timeline. After, when he see the clock don't work, he say that this place is just for him and Yugi only. Judai is in another timeline.

[Ragna]

there's no room in the timeline with Doma and KCGP for a second Battle City to fit. The Yugi that Judai dueled was most likely an illusion of some sort. That would also explain why Domino city is so empty durring the Judai vs. Yugi duel when it's usually full of life.

[magicneos]

If Yugi doesn�t met Judai, why gives him Hane Kuriboh?

[Allana]

If Yugi doesn�t met Judai, why gives him Hane Kuriboh?

According episode 179, Yugi Adult say at Judai he gave him Hane Kuriboh to know If Judai is "a worthy enoug duelist to possess it". It's all he said about the reason on why he gaves Winged Kuriboh at Judai.

[tori_yugio4ever]

there's no room in the timeline with Doma and KCGP for a second Battle City to fit. The Yugi that Judai dueled was most likely an illusion of some sort. That would also explain why Domino city is so empty durring the Judai vs. Yugi duel when it's usually full of life.

It could be an illusion but, I don't think so. I don't remember seeing alot of people out side the game shop even in other episodes. So that doesn't prove that the duel between Judai and Yugi was an illusion.

[Arynis]

I have rewatched Episode 179/180 of GX multiple times in order to understand the mechanics of that scene represented in those episodes, and here is my take on the issue:

Let's start with Episode 1. Judai meets Yugi.

Judai: Sorry...
Yugi: Do you duel?
Judai: Yeah, I'm gonna take a test for the Duel Academia.
Yugi: Heh. [Searches for a card in his deck]
Judai: [Laughs, then looks at Yugi] Hey, you're...
Yugi: This is a lucky card. It wants to go to you.
Judai: Th-thank you...
Yugi: Do your best.
Judai: Yes, sir. U-Um... Thank you very much! [bows]
Yugi: [Thumbs up, then walks away]

I don't think Yugi knows Judai at this point. He just gives the card to him and leaves. If the events of Episode 179/180 were indeed time travel (and if said time travel happened in the same universe), Yugi would have recognized him, or at least would have been surprised to an extent to see Judai. He's not surprised at all, he's calm during the entire encounter. But if Yugi doesn't know Judai, why does he give him Winged Kuriboh?

Yugi says, "This is a lucky card. It wants to go to you." Now, I don't know how this line may have been in the Japanese, but this phrase could be interpreted as Winged Kuriboh being lucky to be given to Judai. We know from later seasons that Judai can see and communicate with Duel Spirits, and he's also the holder of the Power of Gentle Darkness. Winged Kuriboh may have sensed this in Judai (whose powers were dormant at this time) and that is why it wanted to accompany him. It is Foreshadowing, to show how powerful Judai may actually be, but we don't know about it yet. And of course, to tie Judai into the series' history as the next main character whose adventures we'll be following.

Now let's take a look at Episode 179/180.

Episode 179:

[Winged Kuriboh leads Judai into the room with the replica of Yugi's deck]
Judai: This is where Yugi-san's deck is being displayed...
Yugi: [Steps forward] I've been waiting for you, Yuki Judai-kun.
Judai: You are...!
Yugi: Now, let's begin our true Graduation Duel.
Judai: The true Graduation Duel?
Yugi: That's right. The card I gave to you 3 years ago... I'm going to test if you've grown into a duelist worthy of holding that card.
Judai: [Takes out his deck and looks at Winged Kuriboh] That's right... my life at the Academy began three years ago, when I had received this card.
Yugi: You have become very strong in these past three years. And by overcoming many pinches, you have grown into a reliable adult. But there are things which you have lost as well.
Judai: What... I lost?
Yugi: Yes, you have not yet realized, but something very important. You must get that back. Now Judai-kun, hold the card of Winged Kuriboh in front of that deck. Then, that card will lead you to the one who can help you retrieve what you have lost, the strongest duelist.
Judai: The strongest duelist? Someone other than you?
Yugi: You'll soon find out. Believe me.
Judai: Alright! [Takes his Winged Kuriboh card, holds it in front of Yugi's deck and is warped away in a flash of light]

Judai has become an adult and become a powerful person at the same time. But he lost his love for dueling, without which he is not at his true potential, not a true duelist. Therefore Yugi came up with his way of getting that feeling back for him.

So, Judai holds his Winged Kuriboh card in front of Yugi's deck. Following the "cards represent their owners" rule, that replica deck, regardless of its state, contained cards which were used by Yugi specifically. You could say the cards were pieces of Yugi himself. Judai held Winged Kuriboh, a card owned formerly by Yugi and now by him, in front of those pieces. It's like the Millennium Puzzle itself - he added the last piece, which then triggered the warp. Perhaps it was Winged Kuriboh itself triggering this, or Judai's own abilities activating without him knowing it. The cards together could've created a conscience of Yugi's, a space created from his memories, so to speak, which is what Judai ended up in.

And thus Judai ended up in what looked like Domino City.

Judai: [Looks around] Where... [Turns around] Eh? [Wind blows leaflet at his feet, picks it up]
Flyer: DUEL SPORTS Battle City Champion for the second time! Mutou Yugi! Championships V2!
Judai: Eeeeh? Where exactly am I? [Walks towards Kame Game Shop] It hasn't changed much since the last time I came here...
Yugi: Grandpa, I'm off to school! [Bumps into Judai] I'm sorry!
Judai: Same here. [Looks at Yugi] You're... Yugi-san!
Yugi: You know me?
Judai: [Nods] The strongest duelist who awaits me...
Yugi: Hmm~?
Judai: Could it be...? I was given this card from you, and it had led me here.
Yugi: I gave you that card? Winged Kuriboh? It looks a lot like Kuriboh. But I don't remember giving you... Oh, have you come to duel me? I saw in a dream last night. Kuriboh said to me in my dream that one duelist will come and that I must fight that person. Are you that duelist?
Judai: It would be an honor, Yugi-san! [bows]

[Scene change - Domino City Square, the two are walking up to each other]

Yugi: I wonder why there's no one else.
Judai: [Looks at clock] The time isn't passing... I get it! This is a special space just for me and Yugi-san!

Let's start with the abnormalities - there's absolutely no one around in the City (which usually bustles with life, especially the Square area) and as Judai noted, time isn't passing at all. And as JACK_ATLUS said, there's no space for another tournament to fit into the timeline. (The leaflet had Jonouchi and Honda do Kagami's kaogei, or strange face, making it a nice Easter Egg/in-joke.)

However, Yugi's dream is also out of place here. He is told that a duelist will visit him and he must duel him. It can't be actual time travel because time travel cannot be predicted, especially when you don't know it exists. One could argue that the future and the past Kuriboh are somehow the same, but still, knowledge couldn't be passed that way into the past. If past!Kuriboh were to "know", then why does it tell Yugi in a dream? Couldn't it have just told Yugi at any other time, in that case?

It could have been intentional just to make Judai feel special and better about his situation, to get him excited about dueling with Yugi. Had Yugi not known Judai would come, he may have been confused and not making things any better. The objective here is getting Judai's love back for dueling, after all.

Maybe the cards have "memory" of some kind, and by GX's standards, we're talking about Duel Spirits here. Yubel showed us they can remember things (very well, even), which is how the cards may have created the space with Yugi and Dark Yugi, from the memories of Yugi using them during Duelist Kingdom and Battle City. Yugi used a toy deck during the Ceremonial Battle, which may or may not have been his main deck post-Ceremonial Battle. The replica deck contained cards used by both of them, which is why it was Yugi with the Millennium Puzzle who met Judai in the special dimension. Or you could say that was the deck which represented both Yugi and Dark Yugi. Not to mention that Judai meeting Dark Yugi himself helped him hype even further.

And thus they had their duel. Judai regained his "lost thing", and ended it brilliantly with getting to fight against a real God Card. He did fight against Ra in Episode 85, but that was a counterfeit and wasn't used by its rightful owner, either. The dimension's residental Yugi and Dark Yugi succeeded, they made Judai happy about dueling once again. ("I was waiting for those words!") Judai promised he would never forget that precious gift he sent to him. He said "sent to him", not "sent him somewhere" or word it in any way that would imply time travel. He also kept mentioning it as a precious moment.

The beginning and the end of Episode 180 gives us these lines:

Judai: Yugi-san, the duel with you was the best time I ever had. You were shining brighter than any person I have ever fought. And I kept wishing... that this duel, this moment would last forever.

[...]

Judai: Yugi-san, I will become much stronger. And when that time comes... thank you, Yugi-san! Gotcha! It was a fun duel!

The monologue implies that Judai is already remembering at this point, meaning the duel was over, and he was on his way wherever he wanted to go. If he were just dropped in the desert, he would have weirded out for sure. But he didn't, instead we see him wrapping up his memories of the duel and deciding to continue his journey. Who knows, he felt tired and decided to rest for a while? It would also explain how he noticed Pharaoh just by that point, he kept going on and on with his bag, and he didn't notice it until he felt tired enough to rest. Pharaoh and Daitokuji could've easily slipped into Judai's bag while he was packing his things together (you can see Pharaoh standing up before the scene switches to Judai looking at his Osiris Red outfit).

Yugi himself could be also seen as bookends of GX. Judai's story begins and ends with Yugi. Yugi gives Judai Winged Kuriboh to launch him on his adventures as a Duelist, and he is also there to get back Judai's love for dueling. You could say Yugi kept up Judai's dueling spirit by giving him the "lucky card", and by helping him regain his love for dueling with their special duel. In the end, Judai was truly ready - he became an adult, he had his protector (Yubel) by his side, and he was happy about playing the game once again. He became a man capable of helping others in need, and he became someone others could look up to in every aspect.

[Allana]

A very interesting post Arynis !

Winged Kuriboh who detect Judai's powers and wishes to be with him has a lot of sense: Judai can see and talk with Spirits. But there Yugi's behavior: why give a card at someone he don't know ? There also these phrase: "a worthy enoug duelist to possess it". Why worthy ? Yugi has a in reality a goal when he gives Hane Kuriboh at Judai ? Which ?

The dream is a problem. Perhaps Kuriboh "feels" Judai who arrives accross the time and space ? Kuriboh detects troubles in time and space because It's a Duel Monster's Spirit ? Even If it isn't the normal timeline.... ? It's the problem: it isn't the normal timeline.

I believe it isn't thanks to Yugi If Judai is happy in duel like before. It's thanks to Atem: It's him who said at Judai: "I waited for this word !" meanning It's him and not Yugi who sucess to come back Judai like before.

[Arynis]

A very interesting post Arynis !

Winged Kuriboh who detect Judai's powers and wishes to be with him has a lot of sense: Judai can see and talk with Spirits. But there Yugi's behavior: why give a card at someone he don't know ? There also these phrase: "a worthy enoug duelist to possess it". Why worthy ? Yugi has a in reality a goal when he gives Hane Kuriboh at Judai ? Which ?

The dream is a problem. Perhaps Kuriboh "feels" Judai who arrives accross the time and space ? Kuriboh detects troubles in time and space because It's a Duel Monster's Spirit ? Even If it isn't the normal timeline.... ? It's the problem: it isn't the normal timeline.

I believe it isn't thanks to Yugi If Judai is happy in duel like before. It's thanks to Atem: It's him who said at Judai: "I waited for this word !" meanning It's him and not Yugi who sucess to come back Judai like before.

Thanks! :]

Maybe Yugi saw Judai was special after he gave Winged Kuriboh to him? He could've kept progress on his advancements. Considering the things Judai did, it probably wasn't too hard to learn of them. It also makes sense with Yugi telling him how he became an adult and how he lost his love for dueling. How else would he know?

Yeah, Kuriboh could feel it, but it still doesn't make sense. Judai isn't wording his dialogue in a manner that makes it clear it's time travel. He could've said "I'm from the future!" but he didn't. But yeah, if Judai really did travel in time, it's an alternate universe at most, because doing the time travel in the same timeline would have caused a time loop.

True, but Yugi was there too, who he respected a lot. And it's Yugi he's thanking everything, not "the other Yugi" or "nameless pharaoh". Or he considers them both one person, just like how him and Yubel are one at that point.

[Prismamaster]

Thanks! :]

Maybe Yugi saw Judai was special after he gave Winged Kuriboh to him? He could've kept progress on his advancements. Considering the things Judai did, it probably wasn't too hard to learn of them. It also makes sense with Yugi telling him how he became an adult and how he lost his love for dueling. How else would he know?


Yeah, Kuriboh could feel it, but it still doesn't make sense. Judai isn't wording his dialogue in a manner that makes it clear it's time travel. He could've said "I'm from the future!" but he didn't. But yeah, if Judai really did travel in time, it's an alternate universe at most, because doing the time travel in the same timeline would have caused a time loop.

True, but Yugi was there too, who he respected a lot. And it's Yugi he's thanking everything, not "the other Yugi" or "nameless pharaoh". Or he considers them both one person, just like how him and Yubel are one at that point.

There's one problem.Yugi meets judai at the movie.So did yugi forget judai after they beated paradox?

[Arynis]

There's one problem.Yugi meets judai at the movie.So did yugi forget judai after they beated paradox?

Hmmm. Aha!

So basically, Yugi knew of Judai not by the final episodes of GX, but because of the movie's events!

DM!Yugi meets postGX!Judai, and that's how he knows of him. That's why he gave him Winged Kuriboh (apart from Winged Kuriboh wanting to be Judai's card), and that's why he kept an eye for him as well. In Judai's and Yusei's view, this doesn't change a thing - Yusei is from the future, and that Judai was already post-series, so the movie affected Yugi only.

Therefore, what happened in GX's final episodes can be disregarded from this view because Yugi already knew Judai thanks to the movie.

Perhaps the Yugi from Judai's duel doesn't recognize him because it was really real for Judai only. Or the Yugi in question was a parallel universe Yugi (one which may have not met Judai by the movie's events), or... from a meta view, GX came before the movie and therefore the movie's changes may not be reflected in GX's story accordingly, for obvious reasons.

[Allana]

Thanks! :]

Maybe Yugi saw Judai was special after he gave Winged Kuriboh to him? He could've kept progress on his advancements. Considering the things Judai did, it probably wasn't too hard to learn of them. It also makes sense with Yugi telling him how he became an adult and how he lost his love for dueling. How else would he know?

Yeah, Kuriboh could feel it, but it still doesn't make sense. Judai isn't wording his dialogue in a manner that makes it clear it's time travel. He could've said "I'm from the future!" but he didn't. But yeah, if Judai really did travel in time, it's an alternate universe at most, because doing the time travel in the same timeline would have caused a time loop.

True, but Yugi was there too, who he respected a lot. And it's Yugi he's thanking everything, not "the other Yugi" or "nameless pharaoh". Or he considers them both one person, just like how him and Yubel are one at that point.

The fact that Yugi had kept an eye on Judai had a lot of sense. It's even probable. It explains perfectly that dialogue toward Judai : "a worthy enoug duelist to possess it". How Yugi can know If Judai is enough worthy If he doesn't kept an eye on him ? Keep an eye on someone can be an act of kindness. But the word "worthy" suggest here it isn't the case. Because theses lines, I believe Yugi had a goal toward Judai. But what is it ?

Judai say almost, half, he came from the future: he say at Yugi "It's the card you gave me". And Yugi answering: "I don't remember to gave you a card...". Judai's dialogue can suggering two things: or he came from the future or of another timeline.

When Judai say "Yugi-san", I think he refers to Yugi Adult. I noticed he know who represents Atem because he said "Nameless Pharaoh". He seems not know his real name: he would say something like "Pharaoh Atem" If it was the case. I suppose he know this from Yubel because she know a lot of things concerning Duel Monsters. She know who are Darkness's monsters and their effects when nobody seems to know it.

[Heleentje]

There's one problem.Yugi meets judai at the movie.So did yugi forget judai after they beated paradox?

...

My God, how did we not think of that, it makes perfect sense now!

Okay, two scenarios:

Scenario 1: GX 179-180 was only real for Juudai, it never happened to Yugi

BUT Yugi still knows Juudai in the first episode of GX, since they met in the movie. It doesn't matter if they never really met during GX 179-180.

Scenario 2: The events of GX 179-180 were true for both Yugi and Juudai, be it mind space, time travel or something else

2a) It happened before the movie for Yugi
This can be confirmed if Yugi knows Juudai in the movie. All in all, it doesn't affect much but it would be a nice bonus.

2b) It happened after the movie for Yugi
Meaning that the movie is the first time Yugi and Juudai meet and that Yugi will experience GX 179-180 at a later time. This is doubtful at best, because then Yugi would've remembered Juudai during GX 179-180 (I'm keeping meta-explanations, i.e. the writers not knowing there'd be a movie at the time, out of this)

EITHER WAY: Whichever scenario you pick, it'll lead to one conclusion: Yugi knew Juudai at the start of Yu-Gi-Oh GX, because they've met in the movie. That way, GX 179-180 becomes largely irrelevant.

[Makoeyes987]

The duel Judai played against Yugi in Season 4 was thanks to him basically going through a magic dimensional time slip, which was created by the adult Yugi and Winged Kuriboh. There's a reason why Yugi had to hold up Winged Kuriboh in front of Yugi's deck, because that was the way he was able to get to whatever alternate universe that housed the "True Graduation Duel" the adult Yugi wanted Judai to go through. It was basically magic, thanks to Yugi and his deck.

The timeline Season 4 GX Yugi exists in does not exist within anime continuity. It just doesn't. It's an anachronism. There can't BE another Battle City. It's completely isolated from the original continuity of the anime.

As for Kuriboh sensing Judai coming to see Yugi. You could again chalk that up to whatever magic was at work that had Judai go to that strange, isolated dimension in the first place.

Arynis's idea on how Yugi really knew and remembered Judai so he could give him Winged Kuriboh makes the most sense.

[Arynis]

The fact that Yugi had kept an eye on Judai had a lot of sense. It's even probable. It explains perfectly that dialogue toward Judai : "a worthy enoug duelist to possess it". How Yugi can know If Judai is enough worthy If he doesn't kept an eye on him ? Keep an eye on someone can be an act of kindness. But the word "worthy" suggest here it isn't the case. Because theses lines, I believe Yugi had a goal toward Judai. But what is it ?

Judai say almost, half, he came from the future: he say at Yugi "It's the card you gave me". And Yugi answering: "I don't remember to gave you a card...". Judai's dialogue can suggering two things: or he came from the future or of another timeline.

When Judai say "Yugi-san", I think he refers to Yugi Adult. I noticed he know who represents Atem because he said "Nameless Pharaoh". He seems not know his real name: he would say something like "Pharaoh Atem" If it was the case. I suppose he know this from Yubel because she know a lot of things concerning Duel Monsters. She know who are Darkness's monsters and their effects when nobody seems to know it.

If Yugi knew Judai from the movie, perhaps he wanted to make sure he became the Judai he had seen at that time? So Judai becoming the Judai he knew from the future was Yugi's goal, and that's why he asked him if he's worthy. Worthy to be the Judai he knew.

I can see what you mean, but I don't think it exclusively suggests time travel. It's just like going up to someone on the street and telling them you got something from them.

I believe Atem's name was known by a select people, and Yugi (nor Atem) knew of his name the time Judai and him dueled. There was no way Yubel would have known.

[Allana]

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My God, how did we not think of that, it makes perfect sense now!

Okay, two scenarios:

Scenario 1: GX 179-180 was only real for Juudai, it never happened to Yugi

BUT Yugi still knows Juudai in the first episode of GX, since they met in the movie. It doesn't matter if they never really met during GX 179-180.

Scenario 2: The events of GX 179-180 were true for both Yugi and Juudai, be it mind space, time travel or something else

2a) It happened before the movie for Yugi
This can be confirmed if Yugi knows Juudai in the movie. All in all, it doesn't affect much but it would be a nice bonus.

2b) It happened after the movie for Yugi
Meaning that the movie is the first time Yugi and Juudai meet and that Yugi will experience GX 179-180 at a later time. This is doubtful at best, because then Yugi would've remembered Juudai during GX 179-180 (I'm keeping meta-explanations, i.e. the writers not knowing there'd be a movie at the time, out of this)

EITHER WAY: Whichever scenario you pick, it'll lead to one conclusion: Yugi knew Juudai at the start of Yu-Gi-Oh GX, because they've met in the movie. That way, GX 179-180 becomes largely irrelevant.

Yes but the movie can be officially considered like canon ? It isn't the case for Pyramid of Light because no reference is seen who evocates Anubis in others series even If Takahashi had made the design of the characters and Valkyria, Watapon are seen in all series...

If Yugi knew Judai from the movie, perhaps he wanted to make sure he became the Judai he had seen at that time? So Judai becoming the Judai he knew from the future was Yugi's goal, and that's why he asked him if he's worthy. Worthy to be the Judai he knew.

I can see what you mean, but I don't think it exclusively suggests time travel. It's just like going up to someone on the street and telling them you got something from them.

I believe Atem's name was known by a select people, and Yugi (nor Atem) knew of his name the time Judai and him dueled. There was no way Yubel would have known.

Yes it would make a lot of sense toward the movie. I didn't think at the idea in the street. Why not ?

I just thinking maybe Judai know "Nameles Pharaoh" by the movie, not by Yubel even she know a lot of things concerning Duel Monsters.

[Heleentje]

Yes but the movie can be officially considered like canon ? It isn't the case for Pyramid of Light because no reference is seen who evocates Anubis in others series even If Takahashi had made the design of the characters and Valkyria, Watapon are seen in all series...

Hard to say, I think... Yugi never mentioned the movie in DM, we know that. As for Juudai, it doesn't really matter, since the Juudai in the movie is post!series Juudai, so he couldn't have mentioned the movie during GX itself anyway. And Yuusei... I guess we'll have to wait and see there. Maybe he'll make a quick reference to it in a future 5Ds episode. From what I understand, they showed the necklace from Crashtown in a paper, but that might be just an Easter Egg.

[Makoeyes987]

Yugi wouldn't dare mention the events of the movie because that could have an unnecessary effect on time continuity in the first place. Besides, what is he gonna say? "Hey guys! Yesterday I fought a duelist from the future with two other duelists from the future, who helped me save the universe and once we beat him everything went back to normal as if nothing happened!" He already seems like a nut case with him talking to himself and having a split persona. XD

The movie itself can fit within anime continuity because it was created with the anime continuity in mind. Pyramid of Light follows the typical shonen anime movie formula of having absolutely no relationship to the continuity of the anime, and being rife with continuity errors. The movie's whole background on how Yugi completed the puzzle is different, and its events don't fit anywhere within the anime timeline after Battle City.

[Arynis]

Yugi wouldn't dare mention the events of the movie because that could have an unnecessary effect on time continuity in the first place. Besides, what is he gonna say? "Hey guys! Yesterday I fought a duelist from the future with two other duelists from the future, who helped me save the universe and once we beat him everything went back to normal as if nothing happened!" He already seems like a nut case with him talking to himself and having a split persona. XD

The movie itself can fit within anime continuity because it was created with the anime continuity in mind. Pyramid of Light follows the typical shonen anime movie formula of having absolutely no relationship to the continuity of the anime, and being rife with continuity errors. The movie's whole background on how Yugi completed the puzzle is different, and its events don't fit anywhere within the anime timeline after Battle City.

Haha, it's just like Heleen told me in chat:

"Oh, and in the future, Kaiba makes a dueling school. And even further in the future, they use motorbikes to duel. And after that the earth gets destroyed by duel monsters."
"... Yugi, what have you been smoking?"

Yeah, true. Yugi wouldn't be able to say much on the issue. That would explain why he stays silent about not knowing Judai.

Yugi: "Hey, it's you! I know you from the future!"
Judai: "Wait, what the hell? You creep me out!"
Yugi: "Oh, damnit... ;_;"

And good point about the continuity issue. And indeed, Pyramid of Light is rife with them. Even the novel. (I'm looking at you Pegasus, you and your hunt for the Millennium Items even though you aren't supposed to know about them. >:\ )

[remaner]

Unluckyly, in franchises like this movie are just made to milk fans more than explaining parts of the plot or even caring about it. What bugs me, talking about PoL and - as far as we know it - this movie too is the complete lack of backstory of the two villains, this for a series where villains/antiheroes always have one (that sometimes is even more interesting than the backstory of the protagonists).

[J_BYYX]

Uhh... and if every time travel cause creation of another time line?

[Arynis]

Uhh... and if every time travel cause creation of another time line?

It depends on how time travel is executed in the work in question.

From my LJ entry on the movie's time travel mechanics (Obsolete due to the movie canon being revealed, but it still has its uses):

The timeline is consistent and cannot be changed.

Either the Novikov self-consistency principle applies here or the timeline itself prevents time travelers from altering the past, eg. pulling them back in their own time. Considering the plot of the movie, this is probably not the type of the timeline.

The timeline can be changed.

A) Traveling back into the past results in an alternate timeline (or a parallel universe) where the changes are made accordingly. The original timeline is unaffected.

B) Changes made to the timeline results in the new future branching off the original one.

C) The changes made in the past result in a new future, which then overwrites the old one.

If Paradox indeed wants to save his own future, then the first and the second options are out, because they would leave the original timeline behind in a way, which means the wasted future would stay. Therefore, only the third option could be the applicable one. However, if Paradox is satisfied by having his future saved in any timeline (or universe), then the first and second options could be taken into consideration.

Of course, ultimately, how the time travel mechanics are handled in the movie is determined by the writers.

If time travel were to cause a parallel universe, a new timeline would get created each time someone traveled in time during the movie's events. They are:

• Paradox traveling to the 5D's period to steal Yusei's Stardust.
• Paradox traveling to the GX period.
• Paradox traveling to the DM period.
• Yusei traveling to the GX period to meet Judai.
• Judai and Yusei traveling into the DM period to meet Yugi.
• Yugi being taken back 30 minutes into the past after Paradox destroys Domino City and kills Pegasus and Sugoroku.

That's six cases, which means six parallel universes. Or a good amount of branches, if we go with the branching option.

[remaner]

It depends on how time travel is executed in the work in question.
[...]

If time travel were to cause a parallel universe, a new timeline would get created each time someone traveled in time during the movie's events. They are:

• Paradox traveling to the 5D's period to steal Yusei's Stardust.
• Paradox traveling to the GX period.
• Paradox traveling to the DM period.
• Yusei traveling to the GX period to meet Judai.
• Judai and Yusei traveling into the DM period to meet Yugi.
• Yugi being taken back 30 minutes into the past after Paradox destroys Domino City and kills Pegasus and Sugoroku.

That's six cases, which means six parallel universes. Or a good amount of branches, if we go with the branching option.

It would be awesome, if the writers had thought of this possibility, and not just threw the time travel plot just for Rule Of Cool.
At least in this movie they avoided the "fear my generic motives" plothole.

[Kyte]

there's no room in the timeline with Doma and KCGP for a second Battle City to fit. The Yugi that Judai dueled was most likely an illusion of some sort. That would also explain why Domino city is so empty durring the Judai vs. Yugi duel when it's usually full of life.

Yeah most likely when Yugi's deck shined up, it placed Judai in a seizure, gaining an illusion. Yugi was too afraid to get in trouble so took his body and dumped him in the desert along with his bag. Pharaoh, the cat, was a witness and had a ghost along side so placed the cat in the bag and dumped it too. As for his clothes as a change to Osiris Red, well, DNA of course so Judai switched with his uniform, took the evidence with him, and then Judai wakes up. Makes sense =P

[Allana]

It depends on how time travel is executed in the work in question.

From my LJ entry on the movie's time travel mechanics (Obsolete due to the movie canon being revealed, but it still has its uses):



If time travel were to cause a parallel universe, a new timeline would get created each time someone traveled in time during the movie's events. They are:

• Paradox traveling to the 5D's period to steal Yusei's Stardust.
• Paradox traveling to the GX period.
• Paradox traveling to the DM period.
• Yusei traveling to the GX period to meet Judai.
• Judai and Yusei traveling into the DM period to meet Yugi.
• Yugi being taken back 30 minutes into the past after Paradox destroys Domino City and kills Pegasus and Sugoroku.

That's six cases, which means six parallel universes. Or a good amount of branches, if we go with the branching option.

Interesting ! A lot of parallel timeline are possible. When these timelines are created, the time continue "normally" ? Good question. Impossible to know.

[ESPerWingal]

I'm watching the new episode now, and it seems theres another alt. opening with paradox activating sin world and summoning sin cyber end dragon

By the looks of it, it would look freaking amazing in 3D

I'll upload the alt. opening when I get my hands on the ep download

EDIT: alt. ending seems to be paradox attacking them with Sin RD and Sin Cyber end.
And Yusei gets owned pretty much o.o

[YYugi]

YAAAAY, loved that scene of the ending ^^
It makes me wanna watch he movie so hardly >_<
The one at the opening was also cool, O_O how Sin world effect comes from Paradox D-Wheel.

[Allana]

Altrenate opening and ending ! Good new !