Yu-Gi-Oh! 3D Bonds Beyond Time

**Alisa180** · 06/17/11 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by dragosix

Also, where is Rally?

I was under the impression that Rally didn't exist between the end of the Dark Signers arc and the last episode.

**63cohen** · 06/17/11 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by dragosix

at 2.33 on Part 4 there is a flashback showing all of Yusei's supposed friends. Was that actually there in the origanal version of the film that got released in cinemas and who were half of the people there - there were some faces I most certainly do not recognise. Also, where is Rally?

Rally was in the ending montage when Yusei was about to beat Zone. He wasn't forgotten about, in a "where the hell is he" kind of way. You can find him, but it is like finding Waldo hidden in an American Flag

**dragosix** · 06/17/11 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by 63cohen

Rally was in the ending montage when Yusei was about to beat Zone. He wasn't forgotten about, in a "where the hell is he" kind of way. You can find him, but it is like finding Waldo hidden in an American Flag

i am aware of that. I was just curious as to why he wasn't included in the flashback I mentioned because all of Yusei's other friends and people he had met were.

**Tatsunoboshi Horoko** · 06/17/11 06:09 AM

Spoiler: Pt 2

**Deadly Messiah** · 06/17/11 06:27 AM

Well I got my Blu-Ray from Amazon Japan today and honestly, I am disappointed. It was great for fanservice, but the duel felt very lackluster and rushed and the lip animation was pretty bad. I also do not like how everyone outside of Yusei's friends got the shaft, especially Yugi's. It would have felt more tragic had Anzu and Jounnuchi been there to to die with everyone. As for Judai, what was the point of the professor being there? Both he and Yubel served no purpose and we should have seen at least Asuka and blue haired boy (cannot think of his name suddenly) instead of those two. I do look forward to eventually watching it in 3D, but for now, it was not worth the $80 I spent on it. Overall, I give the movie a B-.

Oh yeah, and one thing that truly annoyed me more than anything was the case itself. They put the damn thing into a DVD sized case instead of a BD one, so I cannot fit it on my anime BD shelf. Really annoying. Of course, it looks like the box and booklet are probably the same as the DVDs since they do not have DVD or BD logos anywhere on them.

**dragosix** · 06/17/11 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by Deadly Messiah

Well I got my Blu-Ray from Amazon Japan today and honestly, I am disappointed. It was great for fanservice, but the duel felt very lackluster and rushed and the lip animation was pretty bad. I also do not like how everyone outside of Yusei's friends got the shaft, especially Yugi's. It would have felt more tragic had Anzu and Jounnuchi been there to to die with everyone. As for Judai, what was the point of the professor being there? Both he and Yubel served no purpose and we should have seen at least Asuka and blue haired boy (cannot think of his name suddenly) instead of those two.

It follows on from the anime, so Yubel and Judai were fused together and Banner is traveling with Judai in the body of his cat.

Oh, you meant Johan by the way.

**MasterGhost** · 06/17/11 07:03 AM

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Q6-RHJzRtpM/

Japanese version, Chinese subs.

**Quitus** · 06/17/11 07:11 AM

I know this post ain�t for asking downlaods or viceversa. But someone can tell me by private when u can get the 720p raw? Or of course if it�s avaible yet.

**Allana** · 06/17/11 07:32 AM

Thanks you too for the script, Horoko.

**GoldenUmi** · 06/17/11 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko

Spoiler: Pt 2

No sense in my finishing if Horoko is doing it.

**Lia** · 06/17/11 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by GoldenUmi

No sense in my finishing if Horoko is doing it.

He did part 2, so your part 1 still stays. This might turn out being a collaboration script. x)
But still, I know BoBo is also intending to do an english script. So I guess gathering the best lines out of the 3 versions and making 1 official script (for the DL forum) will be the best option. Thus the enthusiasm of all subbers will be respected.....I guess.

**GoldenUmi** · 06/17/11 09:25 AM

He also did part 1, which is good because I got a few of the lines wrong anyway.

There is really no need for me to do anything else. Horoko is probably the best subber we have here.

**Tatsunoboshi Horoko** · 06/17/11 09:44 AM

I don't have the DVD or raw so I can't time. The only thing I can do is translate.

**Lia** · 06/17/11 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko

I don't have the DVD or raw so I can't time. The only thing I can do is translate.

And for people who don't understand a bit of japanese like me, that's more than appreciated. :bow: Like are all the efforts of all translators around here. 10x:bow: for each one of them. x)

**GoldenUmi** · 06/17/11 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Tatsunoboshi Horoko

I don't have the DVD or raw so I can't time. The only thing I can do is translate.

And that is more than enough. I have the DVD coming in the mail and will be making a raw, so I wouldn't mind timing the final script.

Since I did translate the first 20 minutes, I may use some of my lines here and there so I feel I didn't waste my time, lol. Or rather I'll compare and contrast and see what lines I screwed up on. I'll make a final Janime version once Horoko completes the rest of the movie.

**MasterGhost** · 06/17/11 10:02 AM

Guys, do you need me to do the screenshots for the movie? Because I guess I'll be having the raw in a very short time.

**Lia** · 06/17/11 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by MasterGhost

Guys, do you need me to do the screenshots for the movie? Because I guess I'll be having the raw in a very short time.

If you don't feel too lazy xD it might become handy to have a separate screenshot album just for the movie. But if you decide making it, feel free to take your time.

**GoldenUmi** · 06/17/11 10:28 AM

Can I comment on just how awesome a character Paradox is? Like I really need to.

It's such a shame we didn't see him in 5D's. Not that Aporia didn't make a good villain, but Paradox is just the coolest thing in all of Yliaster. And I noticed Paradox and Aporia have similar sounding voices when it comes to shouting, which is gold.

**63cohen** · 06/17/11 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by GoldenUmi

Can I comment on just how awesome a character Paradox is? Like I really need to.

It's such a shame we didn't see him in 5D's. Not that Aporia didn't make a good villain, but Paradox is just the coolest thing in all of Yliaster. And I noticed Paradox and Aporia have similar sounding voices when it comes to shouting, which is gold.

Add to that, both his voice actors did great performances. It really gave off that evil vibe Aporia and the like somewhat lacked.

**GoldenUmi** · 06/17/11 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by 63cohen

Add to that, both his voice actors did great performances. It really gave off that evil vibe Aporia and the like somewhat lacked.

Yeah, I admit the dub actor did good as well.

**Starry** · 06/17/11 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by GoldenUmi

Can I comment on just how awesome a character Paradox is? Like I really need to.

It's such a shame we didn't see him in 5D's. Not that Aporia didn't make a good villain, but Paradox is just the coolest thing in all of Yliaster. And I noticed Paradox and Aporia have similar sounding voices when it comes to shouting, which is gold.

We did... for all of five seconds XD

It would have been nice at least, to show more of his backstory other then just sticking him in the background. All the other guys in the bad end crew got scenes explaining theirs (or at least having the DVD contain bonus scenes of backstory, since its no longer a spoiler now).

**GoldenUmi** · 06/17/11 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Starry

We did... for all of five seconds XD

It would have been nice at least, to show more of his backstory other then just sticking him in the background. All the other guys in the bad end crew got scenes explaining theirs (or at least having the DVD contain bonus scenes of backstory, since its no longer a spoiler now).

Yeah, as cool as that was, it didn't mean much and Yusei brushed it off real quick.

Still wondering what the special bonus ending will include, but I doubt it will have to do with Yliaster.

**dragosix** · 06/17/11 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by GoldenUmi

Yeah, I admit the dub actor did good as well.

Really? I could not stand Sean Schemmel as Paradox. He gave such an underpowered and bland preformance I fealt. Not to mention, it fealt like he was speaking the roles and using the voice he normally uses. Not really acting at all.

Originally Posted by GoldenUmi

Yeah, as cool as that was, it didn't mean much and Yusei brushed it off real quick.

Which later came back to cause a ridiculus number of contradictions and made Yusei seem even more annoying for not believing Aporia.

**GoldenUmi** · 06/17/11 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by dragosix

Really? I could not stand Sean Schemmel as Paradox. He gave such an underpowered and bland preformance I fealt. Not to mention, it fealt like he was speaking the roles and using the voice he normally uses. Not really acting at all.

Which later came back to cause a ridiculus number of contradictions and made Yusei seem even more annoying for not believing Aporia.

Part of that was probably directing. I thought at times it sounded forced, but there were other times I think he did pretty good.

Notice Yusei is in the beginning stages of his denial in this movie.

**Ryusaki** · 06/17/11 07:18 PM

From what I remember of the camrip, dub-Paradox = dub-Chronos.

**dragosix** · 06/17/11 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by GoldenUmi

Notice Yusei is in the beginning stages of his denial in this movie.

True, but in the Aporia duel he acts as though he hasn't even heard of the possability that the future could be in ruin. Whatever, his denial was handled porrly anyways.

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

From what I remember of the camrip, dub-Paradox = dub-Chronos.

Yeah, they are voiced by the same person.

**63cohen** · 06/17/11 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

From what I remember of the camrip, dub-Paradox = dub-Chronos.

Except that "same voice" has one of the largest ranges of all voice actors. When Paradox gets "Mako" faced, I feel Sean did a much better job portraying an "evil" persona.

**GoldenUmi** · 06/17/11 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by dragosix

True, but in the Aporia duel he acts as though he hasn't even heard of the possability that the future could be in ruin. Whatever, his denial was handled porrly anyways.

Yeah, they are voiced by the same person.

Some more consistency could have worked there.

Originally Posted by 63cohen

Except that "same voice" has one of the largest ranges of all voice actors. When Paradox gets "Mako" faced, I feel Sean did a much better job portraying an "evil" persona.

This I disagree with. The Japanese actor did way better on the evil scenes. As is usually the case in sub VS dub.

**Ryusaki** · 06/17/11 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by 63cohen

Except that "same voice" has one of the largest ranges of all voice actors. When Paradox gets "Mako" faced, I feel Sean did a much better job portraying an "evil" persona.

I'm not disregarding the man's worth as a voice actor, but I think using an example of him giving two characters the same voice isn't exactly a brilliant example of his range.

**Heather** · 06/17/11 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by 63cohen

When Paradox gets "Mako" faced, I feel Sean did a much better job portraying an "evil" persona.

I feel that the term "Mako faced" should be used more often on this forum...

EXAMPLE: ....today I got completely Mako faced while taking the Zexal drinking challenge

**63cohen** · 06/17/11 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Heather

I feel that the term "Mako faced" should be used more often on this forum...

EXAMPLE: ....today I got completely Mako faced while taking the Zexal drinking challenge

To be honest, that is best how I remember it.

**dragosix** · 06/17/11 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Heather

I feel that the term "Mako faced" should be used more often on this forum...

EXAMPLE: ....today I got completely Mako faced while taking the Zexal drinking challenge

I am so using that term at ev ery chance I get just to allianate everyone around me.

**Heather** · 06/17/11 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by 63cohen

To be honest, that is best how I remember it.

Yeah but we know exactly what you meant when you said it. Personally I love it

**Lia** · 06/17/11 09:23 PM

The dubbed Paradox was more emotional, while the japanese one was more like poker-faced (calm/cool) especially if we refer to the voice itself. [sorry can't explain it better in english xD] Still, I like both.

**Makoeyes987** · 06/17/11 11:26 PM

I don't get how people say he was cold. When Paradox merged with Sin Truth Dragon, he flipped out. Himura's voice had a Yami Malik edge of insanity to it that's pretty dang hard to miss.

**63cohen** · 06/17/11 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

I don't get how people say he was cold. When Paradox merged with Sin Truth Dragon, he flipped out. Himura's voice had a Yami Malik edge of insanity to it that's pretty dang hard to miss.

The Hiruma laugh wasn't used nearly enough, as was the demonic tone to it. I somewhat feel using Hiruma's voice actor was a waste if you weren't going to have him laughing like that all the time.

**Makoeyes987** · 06/17/11 11:47 PM

....See this is. That's the difference between sub and dub fans, I think.

You don't...need to run something that's good into the ground. Himura laughing all over the place repeatedly would not elevate or enrich the performance at all. Repeatedly spouting catch phrases, quirks, or all those idiosyncratic gags that the dub likes to do makes the portrayal juvenile. Hiruma was fine, and the snap where he became a monster in the end was done perfectly. A lot of the complaints about his voice being too low comes from the really low quality of the voice track. I'm sure once a Bluray rip floats onto the web there will be a significant change.

From someone who's been watching subs since DM I can definitely hear and compare how good the voice work was here compared to other episodes, or even Pyramid of Light. And it certainly was really well done, particularly Yugi's. I wonder if Hiruma really did mean to give Paradox that low, hiss Yami Malik had during Battle City. Because it was quite the interesting nod along with all the other ones to his character.

**63cohen** · 06/17/11 11:53 PM

It isn't that using it more would overuse it, I feel it is somewhat wasted. If something is good, stick to it.

Also, I doubt this is simply something you can find among dub and sub fans being different, lets not draw to that conclusion at I doubt it is perfectly true. Pixar has yet to not use CGI animation. It is a simple ideology, if something works, keep using it. If the laugh works, keep using it. They decided to use it all for one second.

**Makoeyes987** · 06/18/11 12:01 AM

That's called running it into the ground, Cohen. If you keep using something every chance you get, the impact is diminished. It would cease to be as amazing.

That's the same ideology they had with Stardust Dragon in 5Ds. It worked, so they kept having Yusei use it, again, and again, and again. It was an awesome, unique and fan favorite card. Then it became an annoyance due to it being used every single duel.

You don't just simply recycle something every single time. Familiarity breeds contempt.

**63cohen** · 06/18/11 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

That's called running it into the ground, Cohen. If you keep using something every chance you get, the impact is diminished. It would cease to be as amazing.

That's the same ideology they had with Stardust Dragon in 5Ds. It worked, so they kept having Yusei use it, again, and again, and again. It was an awesome, unique and fan favorite card. Then it became an annoyance due to it being used every single duel.

You don't just simply recycle something every single time. Familiarity breeds contempt.

I don't think there was even enough time to overuse it. Keep in mind the laugh comes from an anime where it was heard in nearly every episode. It was a pretty popular thing, unlike Stardust ftw.

**Valkaris** · 06/18/11 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by 63cohen

It isn't that using it more would overuse it, I feel it is somewhat wasted. If something is good, stick to it.

Also, I doubt this is simply something you can find among dub and sub fans being different, lets not draw to that conclusion at I doubt it is perfectly true. Pixar has yet to not use CGI animation. It is a simple ideology, if something works, keep using it. If the laugh works, keep using it. They decided to use it all for one second.

...did you just compare a catchphrase or dialogue quirk to an entire ****ing animation style? Because I somehow don't think they're the same thing.

No, sorry. If you overuse a certain kind of dialogue it becomes annoyingly repetitive. Sometimes if something happens once, or rarely, it is striking because it's jarring in the first place. The reason Paradox going balls-out psychopath was even interesting in the first place is because he was characterized as being really calm and in control up to that point. So to see him lose it is way scarier because you weren't really expecting it - it was a nice backdrop characterization in addition to the fact that they were staring down his ace.

Whereas yeah, some other characters can pull off evil laughing constantly, but it works only because it makes sense in their personalities and they have some kind of foil. Dark Malik going balls-out insane at all times made sense because we already had the actual Malik to compare to him as a foil and his other half was thoroughly, indescribably evil. We see that, even if the original Malik was fully capable of getting super-pissed off or having a laugh at someone's expense, he wasn't annoyingly so, at least in the original. But Dark Malik was a complete other animal and the fact that he was cackling at all times is just silly, but it only worked because we knew that was his express purpose.

If Paradox was doing all the time, it would just get boring and obnoxious.

**63cohen** · 06/18/11 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Valkaris

Whereas yeah, some other characters can pull off evil laughing constantly, but it works only because it makes sense in their personalities and they have some kind of foil. Dark Malik going balls-out insane at all times made sense because we already had the actual Malik to compare to him as a foil and we was thoroughly, indescribably evil. We see that, even if Malik was fully capable of getting super-pissed off or having a laugh at someone's expense, he wasn't annoyingly so, at least in the original. But Dark Malik was a complete other animal and the fact that he was cackling at all times is just silly.

If Paradox was doing all the time, it would just get boring and obnoxious.

I think I understand where you are coming from. You are saying Paradox isn't the personality to pull it off.

As for my comparison before, I thought I edited/deleted that. I've been doing that more lately, ...

**Valkaris** · 06/18/11 12:15 AM

He's not the personality to pull it off, yes. And even then if it fits their personalities, you kind of have to still do it sparingly. Kiryu laughed, a LOT, we all know that, but there was also times he stopped laughing, got quiet, and we really had the opportunity to take in just how much he loathed Yusei. You have to balance out how you do that kind of stuff, because with a lot of these characters, there's a lot more to them than just "LOL KILL KILL KILL."

Only a very select few of them are that two-dimensional. Like Haga, or as I said Dark Malik. Those kind of characters are already designed to be annoying or played as ****ing crazy. But if you're a real character with real motivations, an evil cackle is just silly.

**Ryusaki** · 06/18/11 12:16 AM

Am I seriously reading an argument that Paradox's Japanese voice actor wasn't good enough because he didn't reference an anime about American football enough? And that this relates to Pixar?

**63cohen** · 06/18/11 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

Am I seriously reading an argument that Paradox's Japanese voice actor wasn't good enough because he didn't reference an anime about American football enough? And that this relates to Pixar?

That is a pretty blunt way to put it, but I guess so. Said "argument" has ended and you can go on discussing the movie.

**dragosix** · 06/18/11 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ryusaki

Am I seriously reading an argument that Paradox's Japanese voice actor wasn't good enough because he didn't reference an anime about American football enough? And that this relates to Pixar?

You sound surprised. I was of the understanding that this is a real common occurrence.

**Goesasu** · 06/18/11 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by bobobobo

For those who don't want to watch the movie on youtube, here is the whole movie on BiliBili (NicoNico)

Chinese Subs done by BoBo and various volunteers:

Part 1: http://www.bilibili.us/video/av104423/

Part 2: http://www.bilibili.us/video/av104423/index_2.html

Those videoes will never be taken down. So don't worry.

I am doing the full Eng. script of this movie now. Please wit patiently, also 720P and 1080P will be avaliable soon.

Waiting with high hopes on your work, do your best man and t very very much.

PD: when you upload it please let it be in a way accesible to everyone.

**Makoeyes987** · 06/18/11 01:14 AM

One thing I really liked about the sub is how they had Paradox actually use the attack names of each of the cards.

It really adds weight to the plot point that he's been researching duel monsters extensively, and maybe even stalking his "targets" before actually taking their cards.

**dragosix** · 06/18/11 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Makoeyes987

One thing I really liked about the sub is how they had Paradox actually use the attack names of each of the cards.

It really adds weight to the plot point that he's been researching duel monsters extensively, and maybe even stalking his "targets" before actually taking their cards.

Ooooh you have given me an idea for my fanfiction. Thanks for that.

**masterduelistky** · 06/18/11 01:50 AM

It was nice hearing "Eternal Evolution Burst" and "Kokuendan". I agree with what Mako said.

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